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[PADA: Thanks for your question JM das, how do I get a refund for the thousands of dollars of money I gave to ISKCON for their phony "conferences" "seminars" "disciple training classes," and "guru daksine" etc. And I like your idea, you want to warn other people not to get entangled in their cheating because it looks like getting a refund is very hard, or not likely.
As far as getting a refund, I do not think this is possible since even very sincere people like Mula Prakriti dasi told me she was ripped off for millions of dollars that she gave to ISKCON, then she was booted out the door by the Mahatma das crew and his alleged messiah for Los Angeles, Ramesvara das (Robert Grant). And there are thousands of similar others who gave large amounts of money, many gave perhaps hundreds of thousands.
And lets not forget that many thousands also gave decades of their life to ISKCON, and they are now unable to recover even a cent. And worse, a number of these victims are now quite elderly and living in very dire conditions with little or no health care funds, assistance, secure vehicle, housing and so on. We keep posting victim's "fund me" problems here to try to help at least some of the victims, but if we posted all of them our site would become a giant fund me page.
So that is the first question, why is ISKCON and their hand maidens like Mahatma das (Martin Hausner) allowing their people to collect money from innocent people on false programs, eventually causing the victims all sorts of economic grief, if not a cent in return trying to collect it back? Current ISKCON takes money on false pretense, or from other forms of psychological extorting, then often leaves the victims in the lurch by banning, removing and harassing people when they wonder where their money is going, including myself.
For example I gave more than several thousands of dollars to ISKCON, including buying a $25,000 silver throne for the deities there, when I was running a business in UK. Then I was kicked out the door with nothing because I did not believe that God's "Jesus like messiah guru successors" are taking drugs and having illicit sex with followers. Mahatma's program has never even offered to repay me or anyone else we know of, the money their program took from us?
You are correct. Since this is a pattern since 1977, should we not warn other people of this process? Why should we allow more and more criminal misrepresenting to continue, after we have been victims of that process ourselves? For example in my case the GBC criminally misrepresented "His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja" as a God's "pure devotee acharya successor" -- an equal only to Jesus -- despite knowing he was taking drugs and having illicit sex with female followers. Jayatirtha even said he was giving "the new dispensation from Jesus" i.e. -- LSD, hash, marijuana and various designer drugs. Is this a dispensation from Jesus or Satan?
We should not "speak out" against these deviations, so others can fall into the same ditch? So I think you should first write a cover letter explaining the amounts you gave, where you sent the money, and who was in charge of that process. If you have any bank account numbers that would help. Then we can use that as a framework for an extended letter which I will help you draft. Then we can try to get the letter into the hands of your local city Mayor, town council members, charity commission, government fraud department, child welfare department, media, TV and etc. You can also use any of my materials to link to yours.
If someone is preaching that God's "guru successors" are found engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, then that should certainly be reported as fraud. And worse, according to my legal advice friend, also reported as "corrupting the morals of minors." We should not be telling little children that God's "guru successors" are found engaged in creating an anal sex of children epidemic, having oral sex with taxi drivers, watching porn and so on and so forth.
Do I think Mahatma and his ilk are serpent demons from the Draco constellation? Well hee hee, they might be. In any case its clear that they know "we become what we worship," therefore they are preaching that we have to worship their illicit sex deviant's guru parampara -- to contaminate the consciousness of the human society. We will worship debauchees, and then become what we worship, so our debauchee-ness agenda spreads everywhere. Yep, that is their self evident plan.
If they can get people to worship their pedophile messiahs like Kirtanananda in a samadhi, then by worship of pedophiles, that will increase the numbers of pedophiles by dint of "we become what we worship." Children should not be forced to become members of a pedophile guru's lineage -- or worshipers process -- at this stage of their lives, that is a very serious criminal deviation, and a crime against children.
Of course Srila Prabhupada says any guru who has illicit sex with a follower is like a man having sex with his own daughter, which means there are many de facto pedophiles in this group. So yes, I agree this is a planned operation to corrupt the human society and allow their anal reconstructive surgery epidemic etc. "chain of gurus" to spread their evil consciousness all over the planet.
To sum, to tell children they need to worship a "pure chain of gurus from God" that includes: An anal sex of children epidemic; Oral sex with taxi drivers and others (apparently also minors); And (as Jayadvaita swami aka Jay Israel sums) "illicit sex with men, women and possibly children," then we have to ask ourselves is this a chain of gurus from God -- or from Satan in hell?
What kind of "chain of gurus from God" has an anal sex epidemic problem, and assorted heterosex, homosex, pedophile sex, and so forth problems too? How can this be a chain of gurus which is going to take us to God? Nope. Its from hell, or perhaps from the serpent people of the Draco constellation as you think it is. Srila Prabhupada says anyone who thinks guru is ordinary is a resident of hell (narakah), what to speak then of having a "guru parampara" with an anus sex epidemic, illicit heterosex, homosex, pedophile sex, and perhaps sex with goats?
So lets move forward. I like your plan and if its a success we can duplicate it in other places. You should also study some of the letters I have already made on this topic previously, shown below. Hope this helps. ys pd
angel108b@yahoo.com
Notice how they try to suppress dissenters:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2018/11/iskcon-alachua-fl-defends-molester.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2019/10/iskcon-alachua-gainesville-sexual.html
https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2019/11/bhakti-vikas-swamis-molester-messiah.html
We should not "speak out" against these deviations, so others can fall into the same ditch? So I think you should first write a cover letter explaining the amounts you gave, where you sent the money, and who was in charge of that process. If you have any bank account numbers that would help. Then we can use that as a framework for an extended letter which I will help you draft. Then we can try to get the letter into the hands of your local city Mayor, town council members, charity commission, government fraud department, child welfare department, media, TV and etc. You can also use any of my materials to link to yours.
If someone is preaching that God's "guru successors" are found engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, then that should certainly be reported as fraud. And worse, according to my legal advice friend, also reported as "corrupting the morals of minors." We should not be telling little children that God's "guru successors" are found engaged in creating an anal sex of children epidemic, having oral sex with taxi drivers, watching porn and so on and so forth.
Do I think Mahatma and his ilk are serpent demons from the Draco constellation? Well hee hee, they might be. In any case its clear that they know "we become what we worship," therefore they are preaching that we have to worship their illicit sex deviant's guru parampara -- to contaminate the consciousness of the human society. We will worship debauchees, and then become what we worship, so our debauchee-ness agenda spreads everywhere. Yep, that is their self evident plan.
If they can get people to worship their pedophile messiahs like Kirtanananda in a samadhi, then by worship of pedophiles, that will increase the numbers of pedophiles by dint of "we become what we worship." Children should not be forced to become members of a pedophile guru's lineage -- or worshipers process -- at this stage of their lives, that is a very serious criminal deviation, and a crime against children.
Of course Srila Prabhupada says any guru who has illicit sex with a follower is like a man having sex with his own daughter, which means there are many de facto pedophiles in this group. So yes, I agree this is a planned operation to corrupt the human society and allow their anal reconstructive surgery epidemic etc. "chain of gurus" to spread their evil consciousness all over the planet.
To sum, to tell children they need to worship a "pure chain of gurus from God" that includes: An anal sex of children epidemic; Oral sex with taxi drivers and others (apparently also minors); And (as Jayadvaita swami aka Jay Israel sums) "illicit sex with men, women and possibly children," then we have to ask ourselves is this a chain of gurus from God -- or from Satan in hell?
What kind of "chain of gurus from God" has an anal sex epidemic problem, and assorted heterosex, homosex, pedophile sex, and so forth problems too? How can this be a chain of gurus which is going to take us to God? Nope. Its from hell, or perhaps from the serpent people of the Draco constellation as you think it is. Srila Prabhupada says anyone who thinks guru is ordinary is a resident of hell (narakah), what to speak then of having a "guru parampara" with an anus sex epidemic, illicit heterosex, homosex, pedophile sex, and perhaps sex with goats?
So lets move forward. I like your plan and if its a success we can duplicate it in other places. You should also study some of the letters I have already made on this topic previously, shown below. Hope this helps. ys pd
angel108b@yahoo.com
Notice how they try to suppress dissenters:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2018/11/iskcon-alachua-fl-defends-molester.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2019/10/iskcon-alachua-gainesville-sexual.html
https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2019/11/bhakti-vikas-swamis-molester-messiah.html
Hah hah! Yep. If worship of a "chain of debauchees and illicit sex gurus" is the path to God, we would have all got there millions of years ago. It does not work, not millions of years ago, not now, not ever. Correct. Its a deviation. And getting children to worship pedophiles and porn watching in samadhi (?) is horrendous. Agreed! Mahatma's best pal is Gunagrahi, the "guru" who was watching porno, and then buried also in samadhi. Why doesn't Mahatma know that pedophiles and porn watching is not "eternal gurus in a chain going back to God -- in samadhi"? That is the question! Yes, everyone should demand a refund if they gave money to any of these people! ys pd
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