Bhakti Vikas Swami (BVKS) says, "Please do not take initiation from me," ummm unless we can accept BVKS's illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara? BVKS says "disciple means discipline," but the "discipline" found in the Bhakti Vikas swami guru parampara is apparently -- anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex, and maybe sex with goats. I am glad BVKS at least has some standard for "discipline" in his guru parampara, ooops, except the "standard" is apparently, do the hokey pokey wherever you can -- and with whomever you can.
I give up, how is the BVKS "chain of (debauchee) gurus" the "discipline" Krishna expects of His gurus? Why does BVKS consider that this above mentioned "guru parampara" is bona fide, all because he is "bona fide member" of that odious lineage? And why would BVKS keep saying "Srila Prabhupada wanted" these conditioned souls and debauchees to be worshiped as Krishna's successors? Do these guys have any idea who is Krishna?
And if there is little -- or sometimes no -- "discipline" among their "parampara gurus," indeed there is a lot of debauchery, then how can we expect that the followers will be disciplined? "We become what we worship," so why would we want to have people worshiping debauchees as their messiahs, knowing that if they "become what they worship" -- they will become debauchees too.
Is that "what Srila Prabhupada wanted?," lets have your kids worship an anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex, and maybe sex with goats guru lineage. Isn't that "illegally corrupting the morals or minors," as my legal counselor friend thinks it is? And why does BVKS think this is the path to God?
BVKS says he is a "bona fide representative" of that debauchee's guru parampara, because he is promoting the GBC's illicit sex guru program, and indeed BVKS is "voted in" to the oral sex with taxi driver's guru parampara. Which previous acharyas are "2/3 show of hands voted into a debauchee's guru parampara," at a time when everyone else was protesting their oral sex with taxi drivers acharya's program? As soon as we said oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham is not bona fide behavior for acharyas, or even for dogs, BVKS says -- I love this taxi driver's sex guru parampara, let me get voted in by them as one of their co-members! Even dogs behave better in the dham than BVKS acharyas?
Is that "what Srila Prabhupada wanted?," lets have your kids worship an anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex, and maybe sex with goats guru lineage. Isn't that "illegally corrupting the morals or minors," as my legal counselor friend thinks it is? And why does BVKS think this is the path to God?
BVKS says he is a "bona fide representative" of that debauchee's guru parampara, because he is promoting the GBC's illicit sex guru program, and indeed BVKS is "voted in" to the oral sex with taxi driver's guru parampara. Which previous acharyas are "2/3 show of hands voted into a debauchee's guru parampara," at a time when everyone else was protesting their oral sex with taxi drivers acharya's program? As soon as we said oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham is not bona fide behavior for acharyas, or even for dogs, BVKS says -- I love this taxi driver's sex guru parampara, let me get voted in by them as one of their co-members! Even dogs behave better in the dham than BVKS acharyas?
BVKS is "disapproved of" by other GBC gurus allegedly, because he says women are not masters, but mothers. OK and when a number of these "mothers" complained that they were being abused, and / or their children were being starved, beaten, molested and maybe deprived of basic needs, these women were many times banned, driven out, kicked out, and ignored by the BVKS "men" leadership process.
OK, so if women know there is a problem, and they are being repressed, ignored, banned, removed, exiled and so on, that means -- the BVKS program failed to listen to their masters, the people who had the superior realization. The women are your masters when they know something is wrong, and you do not.
Notice also that BVKS says that some acharyas will be disapproved of as deviants by other acharyas. Where has that been going on in the parampara, that one acharya says the other acharyas are not in agreement with their siddhanta? Srila Prabhupada says guru is one, and BVKS says gurus are constantly fighting like cats and dogs and arguing.
OK, so if women know there is a problem, and they are being repressed, ignored, banned, removed, exiled and so on, that means -- the BVKS program failed to listen to their masters, the people who had the superior realization. The women are your masters when they know something is wrong, and you do not.
Notice also that BVKS says that some acharyas will be disapproved of as deviants by other acharyas. Where has that been going on in the parampara, that one acharya says the other acharyas are not in agreement with their siddhanta? Srila Prabhupada says guru is one, and BVKS says gurus are constantly fighting like cats and dogs and arguing.
And instead of BVKS apologizing for all his program's criminal negligence of the women, children and men brahmanas (some of whom also joined the women's complaints, only to be banned, beaten and assassinated) we find BVKS is doubling down and saying these women needed to be quiet and simply accepted these GBC men (like him) as their masters, never mind these "men" created chaos and abuse for these victims.
BVKS seems to be directly addressing us at PADA when he says some folks are merely criticizing and not making a positive alternate. Well, we have got probably thousands of people to accept that Srila Prabhupada is their guru, and to reject the BVKS debauchee guru's program as bogus.
BVKS seems to be directly addressing us at PADA when he says some folks are merely criticizing and not making a positive alternate. Well, we have got probably thousands of people to accept that Srila Prabhupada is their guru, and to reject the BVKS debauchee guru's program as bogus.
Meanwhile never mind PADA, the karmi press media has been exposing the BVKS guru chain's various crimes, as such the BVKS guru process has been exposed as criminal to millions and millions and millions of people. And these millions, if not billions of people agree with PADA, that debauchees are not God's guru successors, and the people promoting that process (like BVKS) are deviants.
So this is interesting, the members of an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara are "orthodox" and those of us who worship pure devotees are "ritvik deviants." Amazing word juggling here! ys pd
SD: Yes according to time, place and circumstance. It is what it is, and what i've never been able to understand is how nothing has been able to bring these violators of the movement down, 42 years on. Just seems to keep repeating over and over. First of all there was PADA, who certainly kept everyone informed, then IRM with Kk, who seemed to get nobbled when he met with GBC in States. Now FB and other sites, and you say get stuck in, but into what? All I see is devotees fighting and blocking each other while hoaxers sit in their ivory towers, probably having a good laugh - but not when Lord Yama comes to call. I think they show a confidence that they are protected at a high level. Don't know- just how it feels.
So this is interesting, the members of an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara are "orthodox" and those of us who worship pure devotees are "ritvik deviants." Amazing word juggling here! ys pd
SD: Yes according to time, place and circumstance. It is what it is, and what i've never been able to understand is how nothing has been able to bring these violators of the movement down, 42 years on. Just seems to keep repeating over and over. First of all there was PADA, who certainly kept everyone informed, then IRM with Kk, who seemed to get nobbled when he met with GBC in States. Now FB and other sites, and you say get stuck in, but into what? All I see is devotees fighting and blocking each other while hoaxers sit in their ivory towers, probably having a good laugh - but not when Lord Yama comes to call. I think they show a confidence that they are protected at a high level. Don't know- just how it feels.
[PADA: Well yes, in Kali Yuga the rogues will rule, but as you say, Yamaraja has the last say in this matter. True dat!]
Yup. I also find it odd that the Bhakti Vikas swami crew, and his GBC leaders, Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja et al and etc. have all been telling us that worship of Jesus and / or Prabhupada is "the ritvik deviation," and we need to worship one of their many and various "living gurus," who seem to have problems with illicit behaviors.
ReplyDeleteDid If forget to mention their living people are dying off left, right and center, including Sridhara and Narayana themselves? And BVKS's "living sannyasa guru" is Jayapataka, who seems to be on his way out the door as well? ys pd
Yes. as soon as the ISKCON women complained about their own abuse, and the child abuse, and other crimes, BVKS was joining with the Jayapataka people saying these women are "mothers and not masters." So the women's complaints were pushed under the carpet, and most of these women were then exiled for complaining in the first place.
ReplyDeleteAnd then the BVKS society had to be sued for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse. Do not listen to your mothers? At your peril. Yes, the BVKS society did not listen to their society's mothers, and the BVKS crew destroyed their entire culture thereby because when women, children, brahmanas are not protected, that is worse than animal society, because at least the animals protect their weaker mother sector and their off spring. ys pd