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OK I give up? How is the worship of Jesus -- and Anuttama's worship of porn and pedophiles (in samadhis no less): "The same thing?
We cannot worship Jesus -- because that is the "bogus ritvik idea" of worship of a posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem person. OK! So who should we worship instead?
Anuttama's program promotes worship of porno and pedophile samadhis (burials meant for saints like Jesus) of -- post mortem individuals. A pedophile's posthumous worship is superior to worship of Jesus? Why is the Anuttama program promoting this idea?
And where does Srila Prabhupada say worship of Jesus is the posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem deviation? And so we should worship post mortem pedophiles and porno swamis instead?
PADA: Thanks for your question JM. Yes, like you I have also seen where various GBC leaders like for example Anuttama of Potomac ISKCON saying that the child molesting problem in ISKCON is similar to the problems of the Catholic Church. OK except, the Catholic Church has not been having their children beaten black and blue with bamboo rods sometimes having their bones broken? How is that "the same"?
Nor was the Catholic Church having their children deprived of food and having them forced to be eating rotten green moldy old oatmeal? Nor was the Catholic Church depriving their children of soap, blankets and medical care? Nor was the Catholic Church creating an "anal reconstructive surgery of little boys" epidemic. Nor was the Catholic Church banning, beating, suing and assassinating those of us who protested the abuse? How is any of this "the same thing"? This is an attack on the Catholic Church.
The Catholic church was showing loaded revolvers to molesting victims and telling the victims their parents would be shot if they protested? And they were breaking children's arms by twisting them so badly their bones broke? Where are these type things going on in the Catholic Church? OK not to excuse that there is some problem in the Catholic Church, but not on this level of abuse.
Annutama's program is also saying that "guru successors to God" (like Jesus) aka the messiahs of ISKCON are his anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex and maybe sex with donkeys messiah and guru program. Where does the Catholic Church say the successors to God, son of God, or messiahs from heaven are engaged in all these forms of illicit sex? And Anuttama's program says the Christians are "the bogus ritviks" who are worshiping a posthumous, post samadhi and post mortem guru, ok -- the Christians are bogus because they are not worshiping Anuttama's dead pedophiles in a samadhi project?
Some of the messiahs of the Anuttama program are having oral sex with taxi drivers, and that is the same as the messiah of the Catholic Church, namely Lord Jesus? How are they the same? And why would we say our taxi driver guru sex program is "the same" process as the guru of the Catholic Church, namely Jesus? Is a piece of dog's stool "the same" as a sweet ripe mango?
So that is a good question, how can we lump in and juxtapose Anuttama's program where children are forced to be worshiping an anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex and maybe sex with donkeys messiah's and guru program, as "the same thing" as the Catholic Church, which worships Jesus? The Catholic Church does not worship these abominable actions as the activity of the "guru successors to God," the son of God, Jesus and so forth.
So I like your idea, you should write a letter of apology to the Catholic Church, starting there around Potomac and explain to them that these people like Anuttama are trying to lump in Jesus, the Catholic Church, with his anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex and maybe sex with donkeys messiah's and guru program. And that has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. Agreed. And how can we say Anuttama's fools are accepting sins like Jesus?
The good news is that most of the other GBC writers have gone silent and its only a few guys Mahatma (Martin Hausner) and Anuttama left defending their pedophile messiah's project. Anyway I agree, to lump in the worship of Jesus with the worship of pedophiles as sacred messiahs in samadhis etc. is about as abominable as it gets. I am sure you are right, that the Catholics will be glad to hear that the actual Krishna religion does not lump in Anuttama's anal sex messiah's project and Jesus. ys pd
So I like your idea, you should write a letter of apology to the Catholic Church, starting there around Potomac and explain to them that these people like Anuttama are trying to lump in Jesus, the Catholic Church, with his anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex and maybe sex with donkeys messiah's and guru program. And that has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. Agreed. And how can we say Anuttama's fools are accepting sins like Jesus?
This guy is absorbing sins like Jesus?
The good news is that most of the other GBC writers have gone silent and its only a few guys Mahatma (Martin Hausner) and Anuttama left defending their pedophile messiah's project. Anyway I agree, to lump in the worship of Jesus with the worship of pedophiles as sacred messiahs in samadhis etc. is about as abominable as it gets. I am sure you are right, that the Catholics will be glad to hear that the actual Krishna religion does not lump in Anuttama's anal sex messiah's project and Jesus. ys pd
No JM this is not something they came up with recently. Ever since 1978 they have been saying we cannot worship "departed saints" like Jesus and / or Srila Prabhupada. And if we do you promote worship of a "departed saint" we are banned, beaten, sued, removed and maybe shot to death. However, we can worship their illicit sex gurus, that is acceptable.
ReplyDeleteExcept that NOW, time has caught up, so now their illicit sex gurus are also gradually also dying, dead or departed. And so now their departed and dead debauchee messiahs are worshiped in samadhis. So its not really a question of departed or not departed, we must worship illicit sex deviants either departed or not departed. All this because worship of someone like Jesus is the "posthumous, post-samadhi, post mortem ritvik deviation." Except now, their debauchee messiahs are also departed.
So yes, the final conclusion is: that it is bogus to worship a "departed" actual saint like Jesus, but its not bogus to worship a departed dead and gone pedophile or porno swami. That is the real final explanation of their position. So that means, nothing has changed since 1978. And Anuttama types say the deviations of the Church are also what happens in ISKCON, except the church is not burying porno swamis and pedophiles in samadhis claiming they are saints. Its a bogus comparison, highly offensive to the Christians to try to make them parallel to a pedophile worship program. That is not their program, they only worship a pure person named Jesus as their eternal guru, and not deviants, period. ys pd
I think this Anuttama's legal name is "Geoffrey Walker," a member of Radhanath's New Vrndavana inner circle.
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PADA: OK, makes sense, that would explain why they would say Jesus is the posthumous and post mortem person whose worship is the bogus ritvik idea -- so instead -- you must worship a post mortem pedophile or porno swami in a samadhi. Yep, this might be the real explanation. If anyone else has more details send to angel108b@yahoo.com. ys pd
Right Mother *****, There is no place in shastra where Srila Prabhupada and Krishna says that the acharyas from Vaikuntha are dead, gone, posthumous and post mortem, and that worship of Krishna's acharyas and Jesus is "the ritvik deviation.
ReplyDeleteAnd therefore, what we really need to do is -- worship the dead bodies of pornography swamis, criminals, if not pedophiles in samadhis, and promote those who are establishing worshiping an anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex and maybe sex with donkeys "chain of gurus going to God."
This is all concoction and they promote their pedophile messiahs program to simply make a comfortable living by exploiting the religious sentiments of the few people they can fool. And that explains why they were hunting me and Sulochan to kill us, we are really bad for their business.
I just got some good questions from a newer disciple of a GBC guru, a young bhakta who had no knowledge of much of this and he was totally mortified to find out what kind of guru parampara he had been initiated into. Now he is asking all sorts of nice questions. So its a brick by brick reconstruction of the actual ISKCON, it will take time but it will happen eventually. He kept asking, "Why?, What?, For Real?, etc. He is catching up super fast, and so will many others over time. ys pd