Hari Sauri Authorized? / Jayapataka Recent Statement / Interesting Quotes

PADA: Someone asked me -- how much valid are the writings of "Hari Sauri" (Denis Harrison) and his diaries. Yes! There are some nice, valid and correct points of information there, some so-called nectar. Ooops, as well as a lot of broken up, changed up history and misinformation. So Hari Sauri is good and correct some of the time, just like a broken clock is right twice a day. At the same time, we have to remember that milk touched by a serpent can be poison. Half truth is not truth. 

First of all, Hari Sauri's crew says that he and his GBC pals have been doing all sorts of service to Krishna since 1977. And that means he thinks that their party's establishing an illicit sex with men, women and children "guru chain parampara from God"; which then has to ban, beat, exile, sue and kill devotees in order to suppress dissent -- is "service to Krishna." Where does Krishna says this is service to Krishna? Or isn't this service to Hari Sauri's agenda, and not Krishna's agenda?

When me and Sulochan started our writings in the 1980s, some of the Hari Sauri GBC's leaders said we are sahajiyas who dressed in saris and smoked pot. Sulochana said, "Hey wait a minute, we are objecting to sexual predators and pedophiles posing as gurus, and we are said to be intoxicated transvestites." And he would slap his knee and fall off his chair laughing. 

Then he would add, "That means -- all these big muscle bound weight lifting Srila Prabhupada 'defender' guys are not nearly as tough as us sari wearing intoxicated fools." Again, more hysterical laughing. Of course this is an insult to the entire Krishna religion, to say that the only people who would be bold enough to dissent from an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara are the foolish "sahajiyas." 

Meanwhile it seems to us a lot of the "senior devotees" are making some sorts of books and lectures based on their so-called experiences with Prabhupada, while handily avoiding all the post 1977 mayhem. So we have folks like Acyutananda, Syamsundar, Guru das, Jadurani, Satsvarupa, Srutakirti, Hari Sauri and many others promoting their post as "senior servants" but they cannot explain why they seemed to acquiesce, or in many cases support the GBC's false guru process? 

Or worse in the case of Jadurani, she promotes the worship of one of the GBC's biggest cheer leaders -- Narayan Maharaja. Of course Narayan Maharaja said the leaders of the post 1936 Gaudiya Matha's deviant parampara are "gurus like Srila Prabhupada."  

So this was a problem with the Hari Sauri group. They have been establishing that acharyas are people who have a program of -- anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex, and maybe sex with goats. And us critics are seen as the bad guys because we allegedly wear saris and smoke pot. Seems like a smoke screen diversion technique to suppress our dissent? 

Ummm, then that would mean only us bogus devotee men -- who wear saris and smoke pot -- have enough intestinal fortitude to stand up and challenge the worship of an illicit sex with men, women and children guru lineage? OK that means the GBC are de facto glorifying the sahajiya class as the most elevated class, for having clear enough discrimination to detect and challenge deviants in Vyasa seats, and moreover only sahajiyas are bold enough to challenged these deviations. 

Sulochana also said, "The real reason they say we are sahajiyas is to demonize us, to make us targets -- for violence or assassination." True dat! So we were somewhat surprised when the Janardan / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur folks began to cite chapter and verse from Hari Sauri with his criticism of me and Sulochan. 

We need to reform ISKCON by citing the people Sulochan said are "painting a bull's eye on my back to get me killed." Its amazing that HKC Jaipur folks are claiming to be "the real reformers," while proudly promoting the writings that gets us dissenters killed, all to protect the -- anal sex, oral sex, homosex, heterosex, pedophile sex, pornography sex, and maybe sex with goats guru parampara agenda. 

Why are the "reformers" promoting this agenda in the name of a reform? Just admit you are with that agenda and be honest. And quit trying to get us killed? Who authorizes you folks to "paint a bulls eye on our backs"? 

So in sum, we think a lot of these people surrendered to the wrong agenda so they could be part of the regime and thus get a chance to sell themselves as some sort of senior heros of ISKCON. And this is perhaps why -- more than a few -- ex-kulis / school children tell us, "We cannot wait for all the original Prabhupada devotees to die, because as long as they are on earth people like us have to suffer." 

Yep, a lot of these ex-children remember how -- while they were being starved, beaten, molested and deprived of basic needs, people like Hari Sauri and his side kick Bhavananda were flying around having a jet set opulent Saudi prince lifestyle. 

OK so the money meant to care for the children was being siphoned for these guys to live like princes and to have 25 course feasts every day while their school kids had to eat rotten moldy oatmeal. And where was Hari Sauri? Oh I forgot, he was promoting himself as the famous Prabhupada Kripa Maharaja and flying around, using the kids money to live like a millionaire, along with his pals like Bhavananda. 

To sum, I don't think Hari Sauri has come to grips with the crimes has has facilitated by his supporting the debauchee guru process, nor has he properly expressed remorse and genuine change of heart. Nor has he explained that debauchee guru programs are bogus etc. ys pd
    

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JAYAPATAKA SWAMI:

THAT IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT LORD CAITANYA WILL NOT GIVE LOVE OF KRSNA!

Question: Guru maharaj, if someone is practicing Krsna consciousness and they are also hurting other devotees, but they continue to practice Krsna consciousness, it is better?

Guru maharaj: Lord Caitanya is described as the most merciful of all avatars. Sabe avatara sara siromani keval ananda kanda. He is the crown jewel of all the incarnations of Godhead. He gave us the process which is simply blissful. He said, He would give love of Godhead to everyone, except to those who offend devotees. 

We should be very careful not to cause or inflict pain, or any offense to any devotee. That is the only person that Lord Caitanya will not give love of Krsna. And somehow you see how Krsna consciousness spread so fast in the beginning in the West! 

Srila Prabhupada said that people were very sinful, but they had never committed vaisnava aparadh! Since there were no vaisnavas! Ha! Ha! In America! So with the coming of the devotees, started the vaisnava aparadh and then the preaching slows down, because by committing offences you lose the taste for doing devotional service. So it goes a lot slower. If someone practices, it is still to their benefit but they don’t reach the ultimate stage of love of Krsna. 

So we should be very careful, not to commit any offences to the devotees, especially what they call, vainsava ninda, criticizing devotees, and we don’t realize even if the husband hits the wife, we know that it is illegal. It is not only illegal but also it is a vaisnava aparadh, because the wife is also a vaisnavi! 

Similarly, any kind of pain you inflict on a vaisnava, mental, emotional, physical, all these hurt Krsna because devotees are very dear to Krsna. So we should avoid that. We should think of some way, if we have committed vaisnava aparadh, or if we have been exposed to vaisnava ninda or criticism unnecessarily, we should go those devotees and ask for forgiveness for any knowing or unknowing offence has been committed. 

And if they don’t forgive you, maybe they think who am I to be offended, then take some dust from their feet. I saw in Mayapur, outside the GBC room, all the GBCs leave their shoes, go inside barefoot. Some devotee was going to each of the shoes and taking the dust! So somehow or another if you can get the dust from the feet, or if you get their forgiveness, then that can be balanced out. 

And the very advanced devotees, they try to avoid hearing or speaking or doing anything offensive. It is alright to ask a question; we have a right to ask a question. But we should do that privately and we can ask the question that prabhu, I see you are doing this thing, but I hear from the teachings that we should not do it. Is it something that we should do or not do? 

So something like that, you ask a question. That is alright. But if you say, Prabhu! YOU ARE DOING THIS ANARTHA! YOU ARE NONSENSE! That is not right! The guru can do that! The ordinary devotee cannot do that. So we should be very careful not to commit any offence. We should in that sense, we should be very careful. Lord Caitanya said, the mad elephant offence, the offence against a vaisnava is like a mad elephant, let loose in your vegetable garden! 

Ha! The mad elephant pulls out the trees, tramples all the vegetables! So it can destroy your devotional garden, very easily. So somehow we should avoid criticizing each other, we should be very careful not commit vaisnava aparadh. Somehow we should cooperate together and try to expand the Krsna consciousness, God consciousness. Hare Krsna!

PADA: Well yep, explains why the leaders of the Jayapataka illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara are so often falling down, getting very sick, getting fatal ailments, and dying prematurely. Of course just look at the state of Jayapataka himself, which someone recently said is "the best poster child on earth for why we should not pose as acharyas without authority."   

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Hare Krsna-below we have compiled a series of texts and purports from SB which clearly explain the sick and sinful condition of those posing as spiritual masters today.

SB 5.26.40 purport.... supplemenatry notes ....

The activities of Ṛṣabhadeva, therefore, do not support the claims of a certain class of men known as arhat, who sometimes advertise that they are followers of Ṛṣabhadeva. How can they be followers of Ṛṣabhadeva while they act against the Vedic principles? Śukadeva Gosvāmī has related that after hearing about the characteristics of Lord Ṛṣabhadeva, the King of Koṅka, Veṅka and Kuṭaka initiated a system of religious principles known as arhat. 

These principles were not in accord with Vedic principles, and therefore they are called pāṣaṇḍa-dharma. The members of the arhat community considered Ṛṣabhadeva’s activities material. However, Ṛṣabhadeva is an incarnation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore He is on the transcendental platform, and no one can compare to Him.

SB 5.6.10-People who are lowest among men and bewildered by the illusory energy of the Supreme Lord will give up the original varṇāśrama-dharma and its rules and regulations. They will abandon bathing three times daily and worshiping the Lord. Abandoning cleanliness and neglecting the Supreme Lord, they will accept nonsensical principles. 

Not regularly bathing or washing their mouths regularly, they will always remain unclean, and they will pluck out their hair. Following a concocted religion, they will flourish. During this age of Kali, people are more inclined to irreligious systems. Consequently these people will naturally deride Vedic authority, the followers of Vedic authority, the brāhmaṇas, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and the devotees.

PURPORT- Presently the hippies in the Western countries fit this description. They are irresponsible and unregulated. They do not bathe, and they deride standard Vedic knowledge. They concoct new life-styles and religions. There are many hippie groups at the present moment, but they all originated from King Arhat, who imitated the activities of Lord Ṛṣabhadeva, who was situated on the paramahaṁsa stage. 

King Arhat did not care for the fact that although Lord Ṛṣabhadeva acted like a madman, His stool and urine were nonetheless aromatic, so much so that they nicely scented the countryside for miles around. The followers of King Arhat went under the name Jains, and they were later followed by many others, particularly by the hippies, who are more or less offshoots of Māyāvāda philosophy because they think themselves the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Such people do not respect the real followers of Vedic principles, the ideal brāhmaṇas. Nor do they have respect for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Supreme Brahman. Due to the influence of this age of Kali, they are apt to concoct false religious systems.

SB 5.26.15 - If a person deviates from the path of the Vedas in the absence of an emergency, the servants of Yamarāja put him into the hell called Asi-patravana, where they beat him with whips. When he runs hither and thither, fleeing from the extreme pain, on all sides he runs into palm trees with leaves like sharpened swords. Thus injured all over his body and fainting at every step, he cries out, “Oh, what shall I do now! How shall I be saved!” This is how one suffers who deviates from the accepted religious principles.

PURPORT-There is actually only one religious principle: dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19]. The only religious principle is to follow the orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Unfortunately, especially in this age of Kali, everyone is an atheist, people do not even believe in God, what to speak of following His words. The words nija-veda-patha can also mean “one’s own set of religious principles.” 

Formerly there was only one veda-patha, or set of religious principles. Now there are many. It doesn’t matter which set of religious principles one follows: the only injunction is that he must follow them strictly. An atheist, or nāstika, is one who does not believe in the Vedas. However, even if one takes up a different system of religion, according to this verse he must follow the religious principles he has accepted. Whether one is a Hindu, or a Mohammedan or a Christian, he should follow his own religious principles. 

However, if one concocts his own religious path within his mind, or if one follows no religious principles at all, he is punished in the hell known as Asi-patravana. In other words, a human being must follow some religious principles. If he does not follow any religious principles, he is no better than an animal. As Kali-yuga advances, people are becoming godless and taking up so-called secularism. They do not know the punishment awaiting them in Asi-patravana, as described in this verse.

SB 6.2.6 purport.... Indeed, the hellish conditions already described await the sinful men responsible for such suffering. One who betrays the confidence of a living entity who takes shelter of him in good faith, whether that living entity be a human being or an animal, is extremely sinful. Because such betrayals now go unpunished by the government, all of human society is terribly contaminated. The people of this age are therefore described as mandāḥ sumanda-matayo manda-bhāgyā hy upadrutāḥ [SB 1.1.10]. As a consequence of such sinfulness, men are condemned (mandāḥ), their intelligence is unclear (sumanda-matayaḥ), they are unfortunate (manda-bhāgyāḥ), and therefore they are always disturbed by many problems (upadrutāḥ). 

This is their situation in this life, and after death they are punished in hellish conditions.

(Follow bogus guru- they go to hell and the followers as well)

SB 1.19.37 P The Appearance of Sukadeva Gosvami Unless one is perfectly anxious to inquire about the way of perfection, there is no necessity of approaching a spiritual master. A spiritual master is not a kind of decoration for a householder. Generally a fashionable materialist engages a so-called spiritual master without any profit. The pseudo spiritual master flatters the so-called disciple, and thereby both the master and his ward go to hell without a doubt.

72-12-14.Letter: Tusta Krsna As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become spiritual master. But unless he on that platform he should not attempt it. Then both of them will to go to hell, like blind men leading the blind.

SB 6.7.14 Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati. Leaders who have fallen into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of destruction [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, boarding a stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them.

Srila Prabhupada... "So there must be faith, faith in the right person. Then it is all right.... Faith is required, but to the right person. Then it will be all right. You know that one barber is honest: then you can make your neck like this and he is with a sharpened razor. But you have faith that "He will not cut my throat; he will shave me." This is faith. 

And if you do not know him and if you put your neck like this and if he is a rogue, he will cut your throat. That's all. The same faith, if you put it to the right person, you become cleansed, shaved, and the same faith put in the wrong person—your throat is cut off. So you must know where to put the faith. So our Vedic injunction is: "Put your faith to the brahma-nistam,one who is God-realized".... Otherwise there will be disaster. Right faith. [break] ...(Morning Walk—November 26, 1975, New Delhi )

Madhya 22.153 : PURPORT :

Śrīla Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says: rūpa-raghunātha-pade haibe ākuti kabe hāma bujhaba se yugala pirīti.The sahajiyās' understanding of the love affairs between Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa is not bona fide because they do not follow the principles laid down by the six Gosvāmīs. Their illicit connection and their imitation of the dress of Rūpa Gosvāmī as well as their avoidance of the prescribed methods of revealed scriptures will lead them to the lowest regions of hell. These imitative sahajiyās are cheated and unfortunate. They are not equal to advanced devotees (paramahaṁsas). Debauchees and paramahaṁsas are not on the same level.

Some Conclusions—The above statements from Srimad Bhagavatam and Prabhupada's purports clearly and without doubt show us what happens when devotees, specifically so called leaders deviate from the Acaryas instructions. 

I suspect these things also will someday be deleted by the pundits of iskcon who do not want their foolish followers to know of them. The above texts begins with the King of Konka who began a new religious system after the disappearance of Lord Rsabdev and are now known as the “Jains”. Some may have seen them in India where they wear a mask over their face where they think they are stopping the killing of bugs by breathing. 

This so called religion is called Pasanda dharma, which means demoniac or atheistic. Next we see the text from SB 5.6.10 …Following a concocted religion, they will flourish. During this age of Kali, people are more inclined to irreligious systems. Consequently these people will naturally deride Vedic authority, the followers of Vedic authority, the brāhmaṇas, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and the devotees.

Note-And this is exactly what is happening in iskcon and other religions world wide. The Acaryas or bona fide spiritual masters who began the Christian religion, the Muslim religion and the Hare Krsna Movement, are not being obeyed today. Prabhupada tells us that these bogus leaders , the (former) hippies of the Hare Krsna movement,are descendents of this King of Konka the Jain who did not accept Rsabdev as the bona fide incarnation of Godhead, already named in the sastra. 

And even today there are many leaders in iskcon who do not accept that Srila Prabhupada is a pure devotee of the Lord and that his bona fide instructions are without fault. Therefore they feel quite comfortable changing these immutable instructions at their whim.

In SB 6.2.6 purport Srila Prabhupada describes these new age gurus as such...
One who betrays the confidence of a living entity who takes shelter of him in good faith, whether that living entity be a human being or an animal, is extremely sinful.

And lastly this purport above shows us how sinful are they charlatans who masquerade quite pompously around as gurus and spiritual masters. By accepting the title (thru a bogus non objection vote in iskcon) as spiritual master they assume that title and the responsibility of saving a soul from the cycle of birth and death-when they cant even save themselves !!! 

And they even admit it. Therefore they betray the confidence in those who foolishly accept them as spiritual masters. So many I have heard just leave Krsna Consciousness after seeing one guru they accept after another, fall down to sinful life.

This is the sad and very sinful condition of this age of kali. Better one takes shelter at the lotus feet of a bona fide guru-Srila Prabhupada.

Hare Krsna
damaghosa das