Saturday, July 12, 2014

Jayapataka ritvik initiations?

AD: I read this today…."Surely, if not needed for anything else, an ISKCON diksha guru is at least needed to act as a ritvik, and perform the initiation for his disciple? Even here, other “ritviks” can do this on his behalf, with a recent example being the “initiation given via the internet” by Jayapataka Swami, with the chosen ritvik acting as follows:

“HH Gauranga Prem Swami Maharaja touched the beads to Guru Maharaja’s picture and then read the name selected by Guru Maharaja and gave the beads on his behalf to the devotees.”
[www.jpsoffice.com]

This practise in itself challenges the notion that Srila Prabhupada cannot be the initiating guru because he must be present on the planet in order to give initiation. Despite no evidence having ever been presented for this dogma, one cannot even offer a reason for this doctrine, since the guru is not required to have any physical contact with the disciple either before, during or after the initiation, as proven by the countless number of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples who never met him. 

And if you can conduct initiations by touching the beads to a picture, with the presence of the guru not actually required, one cannot claim this cannot also be done when the guru is not on the planet, because the guru is not present! We saw in BTP 9 that even the whole initiation ceremony can take place after the guru has left the planet, as in the case of disciples of HH Bhakti Tirtha Swami, as long as acceptance had already taken place (please see “The myth of the living guru”, BTP 9). And the process of selecting names and accepting disciples had already been delegated entirely to ritviks by Srila Prabhupada on July 9th, 1977, so Srila Prabhupada is not even required to do this personally."…Back to Prabhupada…Issue 27…Spring 2010

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