****** Dasi: Searching the internet for some information and came across a webpage about "guru ratings." LOL! Our beloved Srila A.C Bhaktivedanta Svami Prabhupada was mentioned there, and this is the legacy that our corrupted, cheating, illegal, pretentious, self-motivated, kali-cela, ignorant GBC and their unqualified diksa Gurus and their false renunciated sannyasis have left His Divine Grace...
"Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare; Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare." Says it all, except that George Harrison (RIP) was really into them. Succession politix, pedophilia, murder, have led to splintering and irrelevance, if there ever was relevance. 1000s of web pages split Sanskrit hairs, argue, celebrate minutest inanities. Previous guru was Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. May have some value for speed freaks."
WELL DONE GBC...clap clap clap...
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[PADA: Not only has the GBC caused mass ISKCON schism and splintering with its endless "guru wars," i.e. infighting among themselves, but in 1978 the GBC led the entire ISKCON society off to join forces with Sridhara Maharaja, which eventually created the first large off shoot schism -- when several thousand people left ISKCON (including Dheer Krishna swami, Pancadravida swami, Jagat Guru swami, Tripurari swami, Jayatirtha, Hansadutta -- and all of their followers) to proclaim "The GBC's Higher Authority is Sridhara Maharaja" (that was around 1982).
Sridhara Maharaja first of all helped the GBC create their original nonsense idea that acharyas are sometimes (or often) fallen down into illicit and debauchee behavior, and that has become the standard pillar idea of their program ever since. Of course, Srila Prabhupada says -- it is an offense to consider that acharyas are subject to deviating.
In short, Sridhara Maharaja backed the bogus 11 gurus and he helped the GBC bring back Ramesvara, Tamal, and Hansadutta when they were being censured in 1980, and then he helped the GBC create their crazy dogma that pure devotees are often attracted to ego, followers, money, illicit affairs with women, illusion etc. Sridhara Maharaja said -- we cannot defy the order for the 11 to be gurus -- oooops -- problem being -- there is no order for the 11 to be gurus? Thus, the first person to be in a big illusion on this issue was -- Sridhara Maharaja. He was also a big assistant in helping the bogus GBC create endless nonsensical programs such as their "guru voting system" -- and many other deviated policies -- which are still standing as current official GBC law.
However, as Srila Prabhupada warned us repeatedly, Sridhara Mahraja is ALSO one of the founder fathers of a 1936 homosexual guru deviation which disintegrated the Gaudiya Matha into schisms and scandals. Sridhara Maharaja simply endorses bogus people as gurus, without having any authority to do so, and that is all there is to it.
Around 1983, shortly after the GBC decided Sridhara Maharaja was an envious man who was "trying to take over ISKCON," they ran off to Narayana Maharaja and declared he is the "rasika advisor" for ISKCON. Once again, this eventually splintered off into another schism when Tamal Krishna, Bir Krishna, Giriraja, Shivarama, Suhotra, Mahanidhi, Indradyumna, Satsvarupa and others started their Narayana Maharaja "rasika club" schism. This further fractured the GBC and was at the time creating mainly two competing groups, where SOME innocent people were being told NOT to associate with the doubters of Narayana Maharaja (and that they should listen to NM's audio tapes etc.), while OTHERS in the opposing GBC guru camp was ordered NOT to ever associate with NM.
Narayana Maharaja was -- at least for some time -- the GBC's main "consultant" for their 1986 "guru reform," and he helped them write some of the "reformer" documents in that era. At that same time, Rocana das (Sampradaya Sun editor) was also a leading member of the 1986 "50 man GBC guru reform committee" which was saying at that time that gurus are DEFECTIVE BEINGS who are in need of REFORM. And thus the reform group was promoting Narayana Maharaja's idea that there is a Vedic tradition of "a guru reform." There is no such tradition.
The "50 man committee" / reformers actually promoted that gurus are often mundane conditioned souls who need to be voted in, voted out and chastised for deviations, and in sum that acharyas are subject to correction, suspension, monitoring, censuring, excommunicating, and so forth. The upshot of the 1986 "guru reform" was that the GBC voted in 20 more gurus and simultaneously they reinstated Bhavananda, despite reports he was engaged in homosexual acts with taxi drivers in Vrndavana etc. None of these reformers has ever explained how Krishna's guru successors often fall down and need to be reformed?
By 1993 the Narayan Maharaja camp was growing so much so, it was taking over entire sectors of the ISKCON movement. Thus the GBC decided it was going to get rid of Tamal Krishna swami for his association with Narayana Maharaja -- in order to remove the leaders of the main schism out cropping, but Gaura govinda maharaja stood up at the GBC meeting and convinced the GBC to keep Tamal as a guru for ISKCON. Later on, Narayarana Maharaja was finally booted out, but he took with him thousands of people. This created another big split, and huge loss of manpower for ISKCON. Narayan Maharaja's program is still siphoning off manpower and assets of ISKCON for that matter.
As early as 1980, the New Vrndavana program was also spinning off as a totally separated group, ok another form of schism, from the rest of ISKCON. Yep, Kirtanananda had a history of being an independent maverick already. Kirtanananda, and his followers like Radhanatha, Umapati, Devamrita, Kuladri, Tapah punja and others splintered off around the early 1980s to start their "New Vrndavana is the greatest program in ISKCON" and "Bhaktipada is the only pure devotee" breakaway project. It was in short, a personality cult based on Kirtanananda being the next messiah.
These folks basically said that Kirtanananda "Bhaktipada" swami is the only REAL pure devotee on the planet and the other GBC gurus are not really self-realized beings. Of course the police and FBI did not think that Kirtanananda was a pure devotee, and they raided New Vrndavana in 1986 just after Sulochana was assassinated by armed goondas from New Vrndavana.
Eventually, even the GBC leaders had to admit that New Vrndavana was a breakaway cult no longer connected to ISKCON, and they excommunicated them. Later on, the GBC reinstated Radhanath, Uamapati, Devamrta, Kuladri etc. but gradually even Radhanath was being criticized by some of the other gurus for "creating his own charity name, which is not in the name of ISKCON." And so -- the idea that Radhanatha and others have used ISKCON to create their own separate spin off organizations is something even a few other GBC leaders seem to agree with us on.
Meanwhile, we "independents" started another sort of off shoot group by writing (PADA) "position papers" starting in early the 1980s, complaining that the GBC gurus are not following Srila Prabhupada's directives. We also put a lot of quotes in these papers -- and compared these quotes to statements from the GBC gurus, to illustrate how they were deviating. We got some traction on this issue early on, especially after 1986, and by 1990 the GBC had a contrived "ritvik debate" to try to squash this issue. That really did not work, and so the upshot was that the Prabhupadnauga "ritvik" branch was launched.
Then, around 1997, the Bangalore ISKCON temple decided that they did not want to support the GBC's guru program, they just wanted to worship Srila Prabhupada instead. This has lead to a very expensive lawsuit which is still ongoing at the present time, allegedly costing $20 million dollars. The Bangalore "off shoot" is still ongoing and its not likely to re-join with the GBC's guru program.
For awhile there were several thousands members of Jayatirtha's spin-off PEACE KRISHNAS, who were apparently the biggest distributors of the drug ecstasy in the UK. Jayatirtha was then decapitated for having an affair with a married disciple. Oddly, a few people still think he was a pure devotee.
OK then Danavir tried to start his ONEISKCON spin-off program, where he attacked the other GBC for being too hindu-ized etc. but this has sort of fizzled of late since they have no "new" news to report. Mahanidhi started his "rasika babajis" spin-off, which is no longer listening to the GBC body. And more recently we have had the Krishna West spin-off. The other GBC are apparently baffled how to handle this spin-off deviation. Meanwhile Bhakti Vikas swami was recently forced to apologize for his criticizing Radhanath's program, a program which is in part -- to bury dead criminals, deviants and homosexuals in the holy dham. We could go on here for hours, but you get the idea, the ISKCON movement is splintered, big time!
Among so-called Prabhupadanugas we have the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad faction that says the GBC are representatives of the DRACO constellation serpent people -- and / or -- the Illuminati / FBI / CIA / Israeli secret police / NSA / CID / mind controlled muppets / brain implanted micro-chips experiments etc. This off shoot is seen basically as cracker pots by all the other parties since, Srila Prabhupada never mentioned any such inter-stellar conspiracies that controls the whole universe, and this world, and especially ISKCON.
Nor does it make sense that the "New World Order" secret societies would be interested in a few guys wearing different color socks, clanging on bells while dressed in orange robes. Yes, a few ex-hippie bone heads conspired to take over ISKCON, no they are not secret agents of the Illuminati, Draco constellation agents, friends of Monsato, etc.
Anyway, their idea is very odd indeed, they say no one should take the GBC to court because, as they wrote to tell PADA in 1997 "lawyers are all nonsense." Thus, we should not have Jayadvaita's books taken off the market and sell Srila Prabhupada original books by making a KBI lawsuit because, no one should go to court over these matters. Let Jayadvaita take over, and be happy!
Of course, who could sue the serpent people on the DRACO constellation in the first place? In sum, they have tried to help the GBC fend off legal attacks because, how is anyone going to sue the demon race in another universe? So they want the GBC to basically get off scott free of any sort of legal resistance, and they vociferously attack anyone who takes the GBC to court, which is of course why the GBC gurus love these guys. "The GBC gurus are serpents from the DRACO constellation! They are demons! But! Let these demon gurus run free, its an offense to attack them, its giving ISKCON a bad name etc." ... that is the motto of these folks. Yes, this off shoot seems to be taking the side of the serpent people!
So what they are really saying is, let the GBC rob, rape and pillage ISKCON and do not attempt any legal counter measures. Me and Sulochana had the idea we needed legal help to liberate hundreds of children from New Vrndavana, and we later liberated hundreds more children in 1997, to save them from the clutches of the GBC.
Many ex-children have wrote to thank us for getting them pulled out, and these ex-children victims are actually astonished that these DRACO universe fighting folks wanted these children to stay in the clutches of the GBC's guru program, and sometimes stay in the condition of being abused, which is of course exactly what some of the serpent people leaders wanted. In short, these guys want exactly what the serpent people want?
In any event, the list of spin-offs and deviations from Srila Prabhupada's directives is almost endless, this is just a brief sampling. The bottom line is that all of the fighting among all of these branches is now widely known PUBLICLY and its not giving the movement a good name anywhere, nor are many of the branches getting a good name anywhere.
Madhu Pandit's program is perhaps doing the best job of giving Krishna a good name. Anyway, there are thousands of branches of vaishnavas, hindus and their countless gurus, swamis, yogis, avatars etc in India, its unfortunately part of the entire process, schisms happened after 1936 in the Gaudiya Matha and it seems it hard to stop these deviations. Our best bet is to at least try to keep going with the bona fide acharya and hope somehow that his process will stick. ys pd
"Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare; Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare." Says it all, except that George Harrison (RIP) was really into them. Succession politix, pedophilia, murder, have led to splintering and irrelevance, if there ever was relevance. 1000s of web pages split Sanskrit hairs, argue, celebrate minutest inanities. Previous guru was Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. May have some value for speed freaks."
WELL DONE GBC...clap clap clap...
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[PADA: Not only has the GBC caused mass ISKCON schism and splintering with its endless "guru wars," i.e. infighting among themselves, but in 1978 the GBC led the entire ISKCON society off to join forces with Sridhara Maharaja, which eventually created the first large off shoot schism -- when several thousand people left ISKCON (including Dheer Krishna swami, Pancadravida swami, Jagat Guru swami, Tripurari swami, Jayatirtha, Hansadutta -- and all of their followers) to proclaim "The GBC's Higher Authority is Sridhara Maharaja" (that was around 1982).
Sridhara Maharaja first of all helped the GBC create their original nonsense idea that acharyas are sometimes (or often) fallen down into illicit and debauchee behavior, and that has become the standard pillar idea of their program ever since. Of course, Srila Prabhupada says -- it is an offense to consider that acharyas are subject to deviating.
In short, Sridhara Maharaja backed the bogus 11 gurus and he helped the GBC bring back Ramesvara, Tamal, and Hansadutta when they were being censured in 1980, and then he helped the GBC create their crazy dogma that pure devotees are often attracted to ego, followers, money, illicit affairs with women, illusion etc. Sridhara Maharaja said -- we cannot defy the order for the 11 to be gurus -- oooops -- problem being -- there is no order for the 11 to be gurus? Thus, the first person to be in a big illusion on this issue was -- Sridhara Maharaja. He was also a big assistant in helping the bogus GBC create endless nonsensical programs such as their "guru voting system" -- and many other deviated policies -- which are still standing as current official GBC law.
However, as Srila Prabhupada warned us repeatedly, Sridhara Mahraja is ALSO one of the founder fathers of a 1936 homosexual guru deviation which disintegrated the Gaudiya Matha into schisms and scandals. Sridhara Maharaja simply endorses bogus people as gurus, without having any authority to do so, and that is all there is to it.
Around 1983, shortly after the GBC decided Sridhara Maharaja was an envious man who was "trying to take over ISKCON," they ran off to Narayana Maharaja and declared he is the "rasika advisor" for ISKCON. Once again, this eventually splintered off into another schism when Tamal Krishna, Bir Krishna, Giriraja, Shivarama, Suhotra, Mahanidhi, Indradyumna, Satsvarupa and others started their Narayana Maharaja "rasika club" schism. This further fractured the GBC and was at the time creating mainly two competing groups, where SOME innocent people were being told NOT to associate with the doubters of Narayana Maharaja (and that they should listen to NM's audio tapes etc.), while OTHERS in the opposing GBC guru camp was ordered NOT to ever associate with NM.
Narayana Maharaja was -- at least for some time -- the GBC's main "consultant" for their 1986 "guru reform," and he helped them write some of the "reformer" documents in that era. At that same time, Rocana das (Sampradaya Sun editor) was also a leading member of the 1986 "50 man GBC guru reform committee" which was saying at that time that gurus are DEFECTIVE BEINGS who are in need of REFORM. And thus the reform group was promoting Narayana Maharaja's idea that there is a Vedic tradition of "a guru reform." There is no such tradition.
The "50 man committee" / reformers actually promoted that gurus are often mundane conditioned souls who need to be voted in, voted out and chastised for deviations, and in sum that acharyas are subject to correction, suspension, monitoring, censuring, excommunicating, and so forth. The upshot of the 1986 "guru reform" was that the GBC voted in 20 more gurus and simultaneously they reinstated Bhavananda, despite reports he was engaged in homosexual acts with taxi drivers in Vrndavana etc. None of these reformers has ever explained how Krishna's guru successors often fall down and need to be reformed?
By 1993 the Narayan Maharaja camp was growing so much so, it was taking over entire sectors of the ISKCON movement. Thus the GBC decided it was going to get rid of Tamal Krishna swami for his association with Narayana Maharaja -- in order to remove the leaders of the main schism out cropping, but Gaura govinda maharaja stood up at the GBC meeting and convinced the GBC to keep Tamal as a guru for ISKCON. Later on, Narayarana Maharaja was finally booted out, but he took with him thousands of people. This created another big split, and huge loss of manpower for ISKCON. Narayan Maharaja's program is still siphoning off manpower and assets of ISKCON for that matter.
As early as 1980, the New Vrndavana program was also spinning off as a totally separated group, ok another form of schism, from the rest of ISKCON. Yep, Kirtanananda had a history of being an independent maverick already. Kirtanananda, and his followers like Radhanatha, Umapati, Devamrita, Kuladri, Tapah punja and others splintered off around the early 1980s to start their "New Vrndavana is the greatest program in ISKCON" and "Bhaktipada is the only pure devotee" breakaway project. It was in short, a personality cult based on Kirtanananda being the next messiah.
These folks basically said that Kirtanananda "Bhaktipada" swami is the only REAL pure devotee on the planet and the other GBC gurus are not really self-realized beings. Of course the police and FBI did not think that Kirtanananda was a pure devotee, and they raided New Vrndavana in 1986 just after Sulochana was assassinated by armed goondas from New Vrndavana.
Eventually, even the GBC leaders had to admit that New Vrndavana was a breakaway cult no longer connected to ISKCON, and they excommunicated them. Later on, the GBC reinstated Radhanath, Uamapati, Devamrta, Kuladri etc. but gradually even Radhanath was being criticized by some of the other gurus for "creating his own charity name, which is not in the name of ISKCON." And so -- the idea that Radhanatha and others have used ISKCON to create their own separate spin off organizations is something even a few other GBC leaders seem to agree with us on.
Meanwhile, we "independents" started another sort of off shoot group by writing (PADA) "position papers" starting in early the 1980s, complaining that the GBC gurus are not following Srila Prabhupada's directives. We also put a lot of quotes in these papers -- and compared these quotes to statements from the GBC gurus, to illustrate how they were deviating. We got some traction on this issue early on, especially after 1986, and by 1990 the GBC had a contrived "ritvik debate" to try to squash this issue. That really did not work, and so the upshot was that the Prabhupadnauga "ritvik" branch was launched.
Then, around 1997, the Bangalore ISKCON temple decided that they did not want to support the GBC's guru program, they just wanted to worship Srila Prabhupada instead. This has lead to a very expensive lawsuit which is still ongoing at the present time, allegedly costing $20 million dollars. The Bangalore "off shoot" is still ongoing and its not likely to re-join with the GBC's guru program.
For awhile there were several thousands members of Jayatirtha's spin-off PEACE KRISHNAS, who were apparently the biggest distributors of the drug ecstasy in the UK. Jayatirtha was then decapitated for having an affair with a married disciple. Oddly, a few people still think he was a pure devotee.
OK then Danavir tried to start his ONEISKCON spin-off program, where he attacked the other GBC for being too hindu-ized etc. but this has sort of fizzled of late since they have no "new" news to report. Mahanidhi started his "rasika babajis" spin-off, which is no longer listening to the GBC body. And more recently we have had the Krishna West spin-off. The other GBC are apparently baffled how to handle this spin-off deviation. Meanwhile Bhakti Vikas swami was recently forced to apologize for his criticizing Radhanath's program, a program which is in part -- to bury dead criminals, deviants and homosexuals in the holy dham. We could go on here for hours, but you get the idea, the ISKCON movement is splintered, big time!
Among so-called Prabhupadanugas we have the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad faction that says the GBC are representatives of the DRACO constellation serpent people -- and / or -- the Illuminati / FBI / CIA / Israeli secret police / NSA / CID / mind controlled muppets / brain implanted micro-chips experiments etc. This off shoot is seen basically as cracker pots by all the other parties since, Srila Prabhupada never mentioned any such inter-stellar conspiracies that controls the whole universe, and this world, and especially ISKCON.
Nor does it make sense that the "New World Order" secret societies would be interested in a few guys wearing different color socks, clanging on bells while dressed in orange robes. Yes, a few ex-hippie bone heads conspired to take over ISKCON, no they are not secret agents of the Illuminati, Draco constellation agents, friends of Monsato, etc.
Anyway, their idea is very odd indeed, they say no one should take the GBC to court because, as they wrote to tell PADA in 1997 "lawyers are all nonsense." Thus, we should not have Jayadvaita's books taken off the market and sell Srila Prabhupada original books by making a KBI lawsuit because, no one should go to court over these matters. Let Jayadvaita take over, and be happy!
Of course, who could sue the serpent people on the DRACO constellation in the first place? In sum, they have tried to help the GBC fend off legal attacks because, how is anyone going to sue the demon race in another universe? So they want the GBC to basically get off scott free of any sort of legal resistance, and they vociferously attack anyone who takes the GBC to court, which is of course why the GBC gurus love these guys. "The GBC gurus are serpents from the DRACO constellation! They are demons! But! Let these demon gurus run free, its an offense to attack them, its giving ISKCON a bad name etc." ... that is the motto of these folks. Yes, this off shoot seems to be taking the side of the serpent people!
So what they are really saying is, let the GBC rob, rape and pillage ISKCON and do not attempt any legal counter measures. Me and Sulochana had the idea we needed legal help to liberate hundreds of children from New Vrndavana, and we later liberated hundreds more children in 1997, to save them from the clutches of the GBC.
Many ex-children have wrote to thank us for getting them pulled out, and these ex-children victims are actually astonished that these DRACO universe fighting folks wanted these children to stay in the clutches of the GBC's guru program, and sometimes stay in the condition of being abused, which is of course exactly what some of the serpent people leaders wanted. In short, these guys want exactly what the serpent people want?
In any event, the list of spin-offs and deviations from Srila Prabhupada's directives is almost endless, this is just a brief sampling. The bottom line is that all of the fighting among all of these branches is now widely known PUBLICLY and its not giving the movement a good name anywhere, nor are many of the branches getting a good name anywhere.
Madhu Pandit's program is perhaps doing the best job of giving Krishna a good name. Anyway, there are thousands of branches of vaishnavas, hindus and their countless gurus, swamis, yogis, avatars etc in India, its unfortunately part of the entire process, schisms happened after 1936 in the Gaudiya Matha and it seems it hard to stop these deviations. Our best bet is to at least try to keep going with the bona fide acharya and hope somehow that his process will stick. ys pd
Krishna West is a pest!
All glories to the exponents of illicit sex gurus!
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