[PADA: Yep, people are still reading PADA web sites. ys pd]
Letter from Haladhara to Laksminatha,
ISKCON La Nouvelle – New Mayapura, in the department of Indre in central France.
The place is also known as Chateau d Oublaisse.
Letter from Haladhara to Laksminatha,
Fernand Goudet <alice.3215@live.fr> wrote:
Dear Laksminatha,
My respectful obeisances, All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I am going to be very direct with you. The problem of New Mayapura is only one logical development of the organization of the bogus system by the “zonal acaryas” in the institution Iskcon, since the departure of Srila Prabhupada from this world. The reading of Sulocana’s book is of one capital importance to understand all the problems of the present Iskcon. http://www.harekrsna.org/pada/guru_biz.htm#A RUDE AWAKENING
The movement of Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not based on one flourishing economy, it is based on the cult of bhakti, nicely well presented in the Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu or Nectar of devotion of Srila Rupa Gosvami, the Bhagavad-gita being the theory put in practice by Srila Prabhupada in an exemplary way in our disciplic succession, the Brahma-madhva-gaudiya-vaisnava sampradaya.
The purpose of the movement for Krishna consciousness is to purify the living being, the soul, of the identification to the material body, particularly the human beings. Actually, the sankirtana movement of the Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu is beneficial for all living beings, that one believes in it or not.
Srila Prabhupada has brought us the secret of bhakti. There is no other alternative than following rigorously his instructions: chanting the sixteen rounds, attending mangala-arati, following the regulated principles requested, do not eat other food but prasadam, reading only Srila Prabhupada’s books as one of the authorized acaryas of our disciplic succession. For example, Srila Prabhupada explains that when we read the writings of Srila Rupa Gosvami in an appropriate mentality, we associate ourselves with this great personality. The association is that, the physical presence is not always necessary, an acarya reveals himself in his writings. We must also reject all other litteratures, mayavadis, materialistic ones, including the writings of his bogus disciples, be very clean, no association with materialistic people, etc…
Devotional service begins by hearing, sravanam . Unless one hears Vedic Scriptures from an authorized source no one can develop devotion for Krishna. We have to pass this test of anartha nivritti. As long as our intelligence is not purified, we cannot understand the position of the soul, eternal servant of Krishna, the bliss which comes from devotional service and its perfect knowledge, sat-cit-ananda vigraha. We are of the same nature than Krishna, at the difference that we are prakriti and Krishna is the original purusa, Krishna is the master and we are His servants, bursting with love for Him.
As long as we want to be the master in this world, we remain trapped in the cycle of birth and death without end. Understanding that this world is miserable, full of suffering, is the sine qua non condition to awake our original consciousness, Krishna consciousness. This understanding passes by the strict observance of the instructions of the acarya. Therefore, we have to hear the acarya, hear, hear, hear… in the attitude of repentance for our faults, begging for his mercy, we have to cry for coming back to Krishna. As long as we don’t cry, the process of purification is not installed in our heart, it is the price to pay.
I don’t tell this to disparage you, no. I tell it for your boon by experience. I don’t know how many times I am going to live, so I try my best to become engrossed in hearing Srila Prabhupada‘s lectures, in reading his books and in chanting the mantra Hare Krishna. We are of certain years old now, don’t let us waste our time, our human life is precious, it permits ourselves to understand Krishna and to come back to Him at the time of death. Only the human life gives us this privilege.
yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo
yasyāprasādān na gatiḥ kuto ‘pi
dhyāyan stuvaṁs tasya yaśas tri-sandhyaṁ
vande guroḥ śrī-caraṇāravindam
By the mercy of the spiritual master one receives the benediction of Kṛṣṇa. Without the grace of the spiritual master, one cannot make any advancement. Therefore, I should always remember and praise the spiritual master. At least three times a day I should offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master. (Śrī Śrī Gurv-aṣṭaka, Eight Prayers to the Spiritual Master, by Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura)
The prayer to the spiritual master in the morning is one of capital importance and so nice.
Hridaya has requesting me to rectify my errors before seeing those of others, but this reproach is quite inappropriete. I know that I make mistakes, but if however I commit mistakes which harm others, let’s one tell me and I shall correct myself. I am grihastha, I try my best to fulfill my duties according to the Scriptures, I follow the regulator principles, I arrange to assure my spiritual program with my wife, I see to it that the beings towards whom I have any duties be satisfied.
I don’t claim myself above everyone, I have one status, I try my best to follow it in order to show a good example in the society. These are the instructions of Srila Prabhupada, of our acaryas. I don’t attack anyone at the personal level, I condemn the persons who take on an aura of one status that they can’t at all fulfil according to the Vedic Scriptures.
I should never accept, according to the Vedic Scriptures, that a temple president, a sannyasi, a GBC, a guru could be able to break the laws with such ostentation. The so-called responsible persons who exercise some rights on the persons who stick to Iskcon have one mentality well short of sudras. They are yavanas, mlecchas. In the vedic society, they would be banished, sent to the forest with the animals, in order not to disturb the society.
Hridaya has reproaching me to make offenses, but they are themselves the big offenders, they abuse children, women, old persons, they divide the grihasthas, let the cows die out of hunger, kill the brahmanas, kill the pure devotees, kill the acarya or associate themselves with these murderers.
They throw out the persons, who want to take shelter of Krishna, from the temples.They don’t know what is going to happen in their next life. They are fools, they have understood nothing to the intransigence of the Vedic Scriptures. How can they think to do abominable things with complete impunity?
Hridaya tells me that suffering in Krishna consciousness is one creation of the mind, he specifies me that Srila Prabhupada would have tell that. I agree but he did not speak about the present Iskcon, he spoke about original Krishna consciousness taught by the six Gosvamis of Vrindavana, by Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Krishna consciousness is one thing and the present Iskcon is another one. How could it be differently? The senior disciples of Srila Prabhupada have gone behind all the rules and regulations of the vaisnavism.
They have taken the power after having poisoned Srila Prabhupada. The truth is always difficult to listen to but we must, for the future generations, see in a methodical way what is right and what is wrong. Let’s us know to discriminate a political self-central power ready for all to protect itself from a religious institution based on love for God, love for the beings in general. Srila Prabhupada is very clear on that topic, if we associate ourselves with devotees, we are going to become devotees, if we associate ourselves with criminals, we shall become criminals, if we associate ourselves with rascals, we shall become rascals.
Yet, in 1970, his senior disciples wanted to establish one centralizing system in order to control all the temples. Srila Prabhupada was so disgusting that he wanted to go back to India alone to be quiet to write his books. His disciples have hold him back insistently, so he has remained. He has not remained for them but for his sincere disciples who have been thrown out of the temples after his departure. We can understand the great mercy of Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada was a very, very great soul. All that, we have to see it in an objective way, not to close the eyes, the ears, not to say nothing, no. Our spiritual life depends of that as well as the spiritual lives of the persons who want to surrender to Krishna. It is one duty.
The suicide of Citra-devi and others are also creations of the mind? The abused children who have become grown up now, who are completely disturbed in their mind for their whole life , recently one has told me that they have received ten thousands dollars from Iskcon… Therefore, they have to be quiet now, it is past now. The report of Gopaswami about Citra devi which says that she suffered of paranoia??? A part this, all went well. How can we say such a thing? It is not knowing the psychology of a person who wants to finish with her life. All person who wants to finish with her life suffers terribly. The physicians in our society, the psychologists, the nurseries, the social assistants listen very attentively to these helpless people, what to say of a person who claims himself vaisnavas! How one person can make suicide if all goes well in the best world? Saying such foolishness is complete irresponsability. It is a mayavadi argument, this world is false, there is no suffering, no joy, the soul don’t suffer , the mental suffering is a farce, etc…
Suicide Epidemic in GBC-iskcon
Le suicide de Citra devi?
I don’t tell all but I specify that it is one of the reasons why I shall be fiercely opposed to Iskcon as long as the principles given by Srila Prabhupada in his books are not rigorously followed by the persons who claim themselves from Iskcon. Hridaya and his clic have no compassion. They are on a material platform: eating, sleeping, mating, defending. They protect their position, their privileges.
They make meetings whose purpose is only to establish Iskcon under material basis. As materialistic people, they are passing most of their time to create problems and the rest of their time to resolve them. This is the principal activity of all governments in the world, including the famous Christian Vatican with its ecclesiastic hierarchy. How could they show concern for others, for their spiritual progress? They make humanitarian activities to attract votes, to attract innocent people in order to exploit them.
This was the purpose of the “zonal acaryas” , that is still going on because the hard nucleus of this conspiracy is still present. We have to open our eyes to the reality and discriminating who is who. They have no quality to discriminate the spiritual qualities in everyone, the devotees are considered as demoniac people and on the contrary demoniac people are considered as devotees. They don’t know what is self-control of the senses, of the mind. Srila Prabhupada specifies that it is impossible to have brahminical qualities without the self-control of the mind and the senses.
I don’t tell all but I specify that it is one of the reasons why I shall be fiercely opposed to Iskcon as long as the principles given by Srila Prabhupada in his books are not rigorously followed by the persons who claim themselves from Iskcon. And I shall go on to denounce with the help of the responsible authorities of my country.
The worse thing, it is to play the uttama-adhikaris and therefore to break all the principles, religious, regulator… It is so that they abuse the innocent people, the humble persons, in fact, the people who have more holiness than them.
Srila Prabhupada has given us one example of society with a sense of duty not of rights. The varnasrama-dharma is a perfect system where all living beings can be happy. The ” zonal acaryas” have made Iskcon like a fascist monarchy where the beings must completely be submitted, exploited at will, for their own sense gratification.
As long we don’t understand that, we cannot receive the mercy of Srila Prabhupada, of the disciplic succession, of the acaryas, particularly of the six Gosvamis of Vrindavana, of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. They have been very clever to cut us from the guru parampara in order to set up their own speculation. It is the reason why the movement of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the worthiness of Srila Prabhupada have been discredited in the whole world.
The sankirtana movement of the Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu does not stop there. Srila Prabhupada’s books are setting up. Intelligent people will be sent by the Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu to give a new boom to His movement, it is His plan. Srila Prabhupada will be recognized as a great personality. Some disciples of his Divine Grace will come back, whereas his so-called murderers disciples and their followers will fall down. Some have lost their head, in the foolishness or physically, others live like gryamedhis. Anyway, Krishna has cheated them, He will remember what they have done. But before, they will have to pay a lot for their foolishness, stupidity, etc…
Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita (X.36): “dyūtaṁ chalayatām asmi tejas tejasvinām aham… – I am also the gambling of cheats, and of the splendid I am the splendor. I am the victory, I am adventure, and I am the strength of the strong.”
Srila Prabhupada said that Iskcon will be destroyed from within. He knew that a few years after his arrival to the USA. It is another topic… In due course of time, the truth will appear. We are at the beginning of the development of the movement of the Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Srila Prabhupada has established, by his elaborate commentaries of the Vedic Scriptures, the reference upon which every person, who wants to develop his Krishna consciousness, will have to study scrupulously his books.
All glories to the Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His eternal associates.
Hare Krishna.
Your well wisher,
Haladhara das
http://eltamborrugiente.blogspot.fr/2010/03/mensaje-de-guru-maharaja.html
http://www.lavievientdelavie.fr/index.php?_LiveEdit=preview
http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/black/iskcon-cow-killing.htm
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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:10:30 -0700
From: jldelvallee@yahoo.fr
Subject: résultat d’un manque d’écoute, d’empathie de la part des ‘responsables’ face à la détresse d’Haladhar Prabhu
To: Hrdaya.Caitanya.SDG@pamho.net; gopaswami.acbsp@pamho.net; alice.3215@live.fr; hypervital@gmail.com; bernard.voyer36@orange.fr; radhacaran@hotmail.com; radhacharan.tkg@gmail.com; KBaladeva.ACBSP@pamho.net; Nitai.Saci.Suta.BCS@pamho.net; ajita@in.com.au; c.pla@orange.fr; madhavendra.puri.bcs@pamho.net; nitai.gaurasundara.TKG@pamho.net
Voilà où nous en sommes, pour n’avoir pas su écouter un dévot révolté par l’attitude de ‘responsables’ d’une ‘communauté’ ‘spirituelle’ où l’empathie n’a pas sa place, alors que l’on y aspire à l’amour de Dieu! On y expulse à tour de bras quand notre fondateur est l’exemple même de la compassion, qu’il n’a jamais rejeté quiconque, bien au contraire:
“Our policy should be to keep members as much as possible. We should not flatly say ‘You must leave’. That is not our policy.” SPL to Jayapataka 12.08.1969
“We can reject anyone, that is very easy, but to reform him that requires great skill and tact and if you can reform him by kind words and dealings that is best” SPL to Madhudvisa 24.08.1972
“Our only tie is love of Godhead. It should be our definite policy that nobody is ill-treated that he may go away. We recruit a person to join us after spending gallons of blood. Everyone comes for reformation, you cannot expect everyone to be perfect, rather it is our duty to make everyone perfect as far as possible. So we shall be very much cautious and careful in this matter.” SPL to Tamal Krsna 23.08.1973
“Diferences should be discussed openly amongst ourselves, not secret meetings. We are Vaisnava devotees, not politicians. So these things must be stopped, plotting.” SPL to Nityananda 25.11.72
Tant de dévots ont été expulsés ou sont partis découragés: qui se pose la question de la justesse de décisions prises en huit-clos, sanctionnées par notre GBC lui-même? Doit-on y voir une preuve d’amour ou de haine? Union ou discorde? etc.
où est ‘Love and trust’?
Les résidents anciens de la Nouvelle Mayapur se souviennent-ils de la tristesse éprouvée au départ d’un dévot, un ‘bloopé’, comment tout était entrepris pour le garder parmi nous? Les temps ont changé, est-ce la faute d’un mauvais vastu? Attendons l’achèvement du mur….pour des jours meilleurs, quand les cœurs seront adoucis sous l’effet d’un meilleur vastu…
Messieurs,
Après beaucoup d’insistance, nous avons convaincu notre parent, Mr. Goudet Hubert, de nous donner la raison pour laquelle il était si malade. Nous avons compris que c’était en fait cette secte qui a détruit sa famille, qui était la véritable cause de ses gros problèmes cardiaques. Nous sommes en possession de tous les sites qu’il consultait ainsi que son courrier. Nous avons découvert que vous et vos dirigeants êtes des horribles individus, vous êtes capables de tout, même tuer. Son combat nous paraît légitime et nous l’y aiderons.
En conséquence, nous vous avertissons: si vous osez lever la main sur notre parent, nous vous retrouverons où que vous soyez, même s’il faut faire le tour de la planète, nous en avons les moyens. Ce n’est pas une menace, c’est un conseil. Et vous pouvez nous croire, votre dieu ne vous aidera pas! Nous utiliserons des moyens légaux pour vous jeter en prison jusqu’à la fin de votre vie.
Ne pensez pas que c’est du bluff, vous pouvez toujours essayer, vous verrez bien. En fait, les courriers qu’il a reçus sont écrits de telle sorte que vos expressions, vos mots laissent à penser que vous pouvez utiliser la violence contre lui.
A bon entendeur, Salut.
Paul Desjardins.
Traduction de la lettre en anglais:
Sirs,
With a lot of insistence, we have convinced our parent, Mr. Goudet Hubert, to give us the reason for what he was so sick. We have understood that it was this sect which has destroyed his family, which was the real cause of his big heart problems. We are in possession of all the websites he consulted as well as his mails. We have discovered that you and your leaders are horrible persons, you can do all, even killing. His fight seems legitimate for us and we shall help him in it.
Therefore, we warn you: if you dare to rise up the hand on our parent, we shall find you where you will be, even if it is necessary to do the round of the planet, we have the means for that. This is not a threat, it is an advice. And you can believe us, your god will not help you! We shall use legal means to throw you into jail till the end of your life.
Don’t think that is bluff, you can attempt to that, you will well see. In fact, the mails he has received are so written that your expressions, your words can be imagined that you can use violence against him.
A word to the wise is enough.
Paul Desjardins.
NB: Excuse my bad english.
Jean-Luc Delvallée
0621622256
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Subject: Re: résultat d’un manque d’écoute, d’empathie de la part des ‘responsables’ face à la détresse d’Haladhar Prabhu
From: radhacharan.tkg@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 07:18:49 +0800
Il y a beaucoup de colère, d’amertume et de haine dans cette lettre. C’est tres triste, aussi triste que l’histoire du yatra Francais a present. Il faut regarder dans nos coeurs pour la solution, nul par ailleurs. Si on comprend Prabhupada et si on veut vraiment satisfaire ses desires alors on regardera dans nos coeurs et ont fera le nécessaire pour tout rectifier a travers les qualités vaisnava. Sinon, c’est juste une piece de theatre ou chacun porte un masque.
Your servant
Radhacaran
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Rhadacaran, This picture means: I tell nothing, I see nothing, I hear nothing…
ISKCON POLICY
Sulocana murder, has been done with very much love?
Chakradhari also? ect…
Children abuses are Bhagavad-Gîta message, Srimad-Bhagavatam? The loving message of Srila Prabhupada, Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the six goswamis of Vrindavan, Krishna das Kaviraja goswami???
Yes, I am very angry, if I look in my heart, I see maya, when I read Srila Prabhupada’s books, I see Krishna…no comment… When are you going to mangala-arati, how many rounds do you chant every day?
When you tell one thing, you must confirm by quoting Srila Prabhupada. Don’t tell nonsenses! Follow Srila Prabhupada’s instructions before speaking, take prasadam and after, you will be able to speak. At the present moment, when you speak, you are like the frog who calls for the snake: come and eat me!
What do you think, that these same murderers meet to kill me? This is to make the pleasure of Srila Prabhupada? You are a very dangerous people…
All glories to Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and His eternal associates.
Hare Krishna
Letter from Haladhara to Laksminatha,
ISKCON La Nouvelle – New Mayapura, in the department of Indre in central France.
The place is also known as Chateau d Oublaisse.
Letter from Haladhara to Laksminatha,
Fernand Goudet <alice.3215@live.fr> wrote:
Dear Laksminatha,
My respectful obeisances, All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I am going to be very direct with you. The problem of New Mayapura is only one logical development of the organization of the bogus system by the “zonal acaryas” in the institution Iskcon, since the departure of Srila Prabhupada from this world. The reading of Sulocana’s book is of one capital importance to understand all the problems of the present Iskcon. http://www.harekrsna.org/pada/guru_biz.htm#A RUDE AWAKENING
The movement of Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not based on one flourishing economy, it is based on the cult of bhakti, nicely well presented in the Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu or Nectar of devotion of Srila Rupa Gosvami, the Bhagavad-gita being the theory put in practice by Srila Prabhupada in an exemplary way in our disciplic succession, the Brahma-madhva-gaudiya-vaisnava sampradaya.
The purpose of the movement for Krishna consciousness is to purify the living being, the soul, of the identification to the material body, particularly the human beings. Actually, the sankirtana movement of the Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu is beneficial for all living beings, that one believes in it or not.
Srila Prabhupada has brought us the secret of bhakti. There is no other alternative than following rigorously his instructions: chanting the sixteen rounds, attending mangala-arati, following the regulated principles requested, do not eat other food but prasadam, reading only Srila Prabhupada’s books as one of the authorized acaryas of our disciplic succession. For example, Srila Prabhupada explains that when we read the writings of Srila Rupa Gosvami in an appropriate mentality, we associate ourselves with this great personality. The association is that, the physical presence is not always necessary, an acarya reveals himself in his writings. We must also reject all other litteratures, mayavadis, materialistic ones, including the writings of his bogus disciples, be very clean, no association with materialistic people, etc…
Devotional service begins by hearing, sravanam . Unless one hears Vedic Scriptures from an authorized source no one can develop devotion for Krishna. We have to pass this test of anartha nivritti. As long as our intelligence is not purified, we cannot understand the position of the soul, eternal servant of Krishna, the bliss which comes from devotional service and its perfect knowledge, sat-cit-ananda vigraha. We are of the same nature than Krishna, at the difference that we are prakriti and Krishna is the original purusa, Krishna is the master and we are His servants, bursting with love for Him.
As long as we want to be the master in this world, we remain trapped in the cycle of birth and death without end. Understanding that this world is miserable, full of suffering, is the sine qua non condition to awake our original consciousness, Krishna consciousness. This understanding passes by the strict observance of the instructions of the acarya. Therefore, we have to hear the acarya, hear, hear, hear… in the attitude of repentance for our faults, begging for his mercy, we have to cry for coming back to Krishna. As long as we don’t cry, the process of purification is not installed in our heart, it is the price to pay.
I don’t tell this to disparage you, no. I tell it for your boon by experience. I don’t know how many times I am going to live, so I try my best to become engrossed in hearing Srila Prabhupada‘s lectures, in reading his books and in chanting the mantra Hare Krishna. We are of certain years old now, don’t let us waste our time, our human life is precious, it permits ourselves to understand Krishna and to come back to Him at the time of death. Only the human life gives us this privilege.
yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo
yasyāprasādān na gatiḥ kuto ‘pi
dhyāyan stuvaṁs tasya yaśas tri-sandhyaṁ
vande guroḥ śrī-caraṇāravindam
By the mercy of the spiritual master one receives the benediction of Kṛṣṇa. Without the grace of the spiritual master, one cannot make any advancement. Therefore, I should always remember and praise the spiritual master. At least three times a day I should offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master. (Śrī Śrī Gurv-aṣṭaka, Eight Prayers to the Spiritual Master, by Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura)
The prayer to the spiritual master in the morning is one of capital importance and so nice.
Hridaya has requesting me to rectify my errors before seeing those of others, but this reproach is quite inappropriete. I know that I make mistakes, but if however I commit mistakes which harm others, let’s one tell me and I shall correct myself. I am grihastha, I try my best to fulfill my duties according to the Scriptures, I follow the regulator principles, I arrange to assure my spiritual program with my wife, I see to it that the beings towards whom I have any duties be satisfied.
I don’t claim myself above everyone, I have one status, I try my best to follow it in order to show a good example in the society. These are the instructions of Srila Prabhupada, of our acaryas. I don’t attack anyone at the personal level, I condemn the persons who take on an aura of one status that they can’t at all fulfil according to the Vedic Scriptures.
I should never accept, according to the Vedic Scriptures, that a temple president, a sannyasi, a GBC, a guru could be able to break the laws with such ostentation. The so-called responsible persons who exercise some rights on the persons who stick to Iskcon have one mentality well short of sudras. They are yavanas, mlecchas. In the vedic society, they would be banished, sent to the forest with the animals, in order not to disturb the society.
Hridaya has reproaching me to make offenses, but they are themselves the big offenders, they abuse children, women, old persons, they divide the grihasthas, let the cows die out of hunger, kill the brahmanas, kill the pure devotees, kill the acarya or associate themselves with these murderers.
They throw out the persons, who want to take shelter of Krishna, from the temples.They don’t know what is going to happen in their next life. They are fools, they have understood nothing to the intransigence of the Vedic Scriptures. How can they think to do abominable things with complete impunity?
Hridaya tells me that suffering in Krishna consciousness is one creation of the mind, he specifies me that Srila Prabhupada would have tell that. I agree but he did not speak about the present Iskcon, he spoke about original Krishna consciousness taught by the six Gosvamis of Vrindavana, by Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Krishna consciousness is one thing and the present Iskcon is another one. How could it be differently? The senior disciples of Srila Prabhupada have gone behind all the rules and regulations of the vaisnavism.
They have taken the power after having poisoned Srila Prabhupada. The truth is always difficult to listen to but we must, for the future generations, see in a methodical way what is right and what is wrong. Let’s us know to discriminate a political self-central power ready for all to protect itself from a religious institution based on love for God, love for the beings in general. Srila Prabhupada is very clear on that topic, if we associate ourselves with devotees, we are going to become devotees, if we associate ourselves with criminals, we shall become criminals, if we associate ourselves with rascals, we shall become rascals.
Yet, in 1970, his senior disciples wanted to establish one centralizing system in order to control all the temples. Srila Prabhupada was so disgusting that he wanted to go back to India alone to be quiet to write his books. His disciples have hold him back insistently, so he has remained. He has not remained for them but for his sincere disciples who have been thrown out of the temples after his departure. We can understand the great mercy of Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada was a very, very great soul. All that, we have to see it in an objective way, not to close the eyes, the ears, not to say nothing, no. Our spiritual life depends of that as well as the spiritual lives of the persons who want to surrender to Krishna. It is one duty.
The suicide of Citra-devi and others are also creations of the mind? The abused children who have become grown up now, who are completely disturbed in their mind for their whole life , recently one has told me that they have received ten thousands dollars from Iskcon… Therefore, they have to be quiet now, it is past now. The report of Gopaswami about Citra devi which says that she suffered of paranoia??? A part this, all went well. How can we say such a thing? It is not knowing the psychology of a person who wants to finish with her life. All person who wants to finish with her life suffers terribly. The physicians in our society, the psychologists, the nurseries, the social assistants listen very attentively to these helpless people, what to say of a person who claims himself vaisnavas! How one person can make suicide if all goes well in the best world? Saying such foolishness is complete irresponsability. It is a mayavadi argument, this world is false, there is no suffering, no joy, the soul don’t suffer , the mental suffering is a farce, etc…
Suicide Epidemic in GBC-iskcon
Le suicide de Citra devi?
I don’t tell all but I specify that it is one of the reasons why I shall be fiercely opposed to Iskcon as long as the principles given by Srila Prabhupada in his books are not rigorously followed by the persons who claim themselves from Iskcon. Hridaya and his clic have no compassion. They are on a material platform: eating, sleeping, mating, defending. They protect their position, their privileges.
They make meetings whose purpose is only to establish Iskcon under material basis. As materialistic people, they are passing most of their time to create problems and the rest of their time to resolve them. This is the principal activity of all governments in the world, including the famous Christian Vatican with its ecclesiastic hierarchy. How could they show concern for others, for their spiritual progress? They make humanitarian activities to attract votes, to attract innocent people in order to exploit them.
This was the purpose of the “zonal acaryas” , that is still going on because the hard nucleus of this conspiracy is still present. We have to open our eyes to the reality and discriminating who is who. They have no quality to discriminate the spiritual qualities in everyone, the devotees are considered as demoniac people and on the contrary demoniac people are considered as devotees. They don’t know what is self-control of the senses, of the mind. Srila Prabhupada specifies that it is impossible to have brahminical qualities without the self-control of the mind and the senses.
I don’t tell all but I specify that it is one of the reasons why I shall be fiercely opposed to Iskcon as long as the principles given by Srila Prabhupada in his books are not rigorously followed by the persons who claim themselves from Iskcon. And I shall go on to denounce with the help of the responsible authorities of my country.
The worse thing, it is to play the uttama-adhikaris and therefore to break all the principles, religious, regulator… It is so that they abuse the innocent people, the humble persons, in fact, the people who have more holiness than them.
Srila Prabhupada has given us one example of society with a sense of duty not of rights. The varnasrama-dharma is a perfect system where all living beings can be happy. The ” zonal acaryas” have made Iskcon like a fascist monarchy where the beings must completely be submitted, exploited at will, for their own sense gratification.
As long we don’t understand that, we cannot receive the mercy of Srila Prabhupada, of the disciplic succession, of the acaryas, particularly of the six Gosvamis of Vrindavana, of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. They have been very clever to cut us from the guru parampara in order to set up their own speculation. It is the reason why the movement of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the worthiness of Srila Prabhupada have been discredited in the whole world.
The sankirtana movement of the Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu does not stop there. Srila Prabhupada’s books are setting up. Intelligent people will be sent by the Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu to give a new boom to His movement, it is His plan. Srila Prabhupada will be recognized as a great personality. Some disciples of his Divine Grace will come back, whereas his so-called murderers disciples and their followers will fall down. Some have lost their head, in the foolishness or physically, others live like gryamedhis. Anyway, Krishna has cheated them, He will remember what they have done. But before, they will have to pay a lot for their foolishness, stupidity, etc…
Krishna says in the Bhagavad-gita (X.36): “dyūtaṁ chalayatām asmi tejas tejasvinām aham… – I am also the gambling of cheats, and of the splendid I am the splendor. I am the victory, I am adventure, and I am the strength of the strong.”
Srila Prabhupada said that Iskcon will be destroyed from within. He knew that a few years after his arrival to the USA. It is another topic… In due course of time, the truth will appear. We are at the beginning of the development of the movement of the Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Srila Prabhupada has established, by his elaborate commentaries of the Vedic Scriptures, the reference upon which every person, who wants to develop his Krishna consciousness, will have to study scrupulously his books.
All glories to the Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His eternal associates.
Hare Krishna.
Your well wisher,
Haladhara das
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http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/black/iskcon-cow-killing.htm
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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:10:30 -0700
From: jldelvallee@yahoo.fr
Subject: résultat d’un manque d’écoute, d’empathie de la part des ‘responsables’ face à la détresse d’Haladhar Prabhu
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Voilà où nous en sommes, pour n’avoir pas su écouter un dévot révolté par l’attitude de ‘responsables’ d’une ‘communauté’ ‘spirituelle’ où l’empathie n’a pas sa place, alors que l’on y aspire à l’amour de Dieu! On y expulse à tour de bras quand notre fondateur est l’exemple même de la compassion, qu’il n’a jamais rejeté quiconque, bien au contraire:
“Our policy should be to keep members as much as possible. We should not flatly say ‘You must leave’. That is not our policy.” SPL to Jayapataka 12.08.1969
“We can reject anyone, that is very easy, but to reform him that requires great skill and tact and if you can reform him by kind words and dealings that is best” SPL to Madhudvisa 24.08.1972
“Our only tie is love of Godhead. It should be our definite policy that nobody is ill-treated that he may go away. We recruit a person to join us after spending gallons of blood. Everyone comes for reformation, you cannot expect everyone to be perfect, rather it is our duty to make everyone perfect as far as possible. So we shall be very much cautious and careful in this matter.” SPL to Tamal Krsna 23.08.1973
“Diferences should be discussed openly amongst ourselves, not secret meetings. We are Vaisnava devotees, not politicians. So these things must be stopped, plotting.” SPL to Nityananda 25.11.72
Tant de dévots ont été expulsés ou sont partis découragés: qui se pose la question de la justesse de décisions prises en huit-clos, sanctionnées par notre GBC lui-même? Doit-on y voir une preuve d’amour ou de haine? Union ou discorde? etc.
où est ‘Love and trust’?
Les résidents anciens de la Nouvelle Mayapur se souviennent-ils de la tristesse éprouvée au départ d’un dévot, un ‘bloopé’, comment tout était entrepris pour le garder parmi nous? Les temps ont changé, est-ce la faute d’un mauvais vastu? Attendons l’achèvement du mur….pour des jours meilleurs, quand les cœurs seront adoucis sous l’effet d’un meilleur vastu…
Messieurs,
Après beaucoup d’insistance, nous avons convaincu notre parent, Mr. Goudet Hubert, de nous donner la raison pour laquelle il était si malade. Nous avons compris que c’était en fait cette secte qui a détruit sa famille, qui était la véritable cause de ses gros problèmes cardiaques. Nous sommes en possession de tous les sites qu’il consultait ainsi que son courrier. Nous avons découvert que vous et vos dirigeants êtes des horribles individus, vous êtes capables de tout, même tuer. Son combat nous paraît légitime et nous l’y aiderons.
En conséquence, nous vous avertissons: si vous osez lever la main sur notre parent, nous vous retrouverons où que vous soyez, même s’il faut faire le tour de la planète, nous en avons les moyens. Ce n’est pas une menace, c’est un conseil. Et vous pouvez nous croire, votre dieu ne vous aidera pas! Nous utiliserons des moyens légaux pour vous jeter en prison jusqu’à la fin de votre vie.
Ne pensez pas que c’est du bluff, vous pouvez toujours essayer, vous verrez bien. En fait, les courriers qu’il a reçus sont écrits de telle sorte que vos expressions, vos mots laissent à penser que vous pouvez utiliser la violence contre lui.
A bon entendeur, Salut.
Paul Desjardins.
Traduction de la lettre en anglais:
Sirs,
With a lot of insistence, we have convinced our parent, Mr. Goudet Hubert, to give us the reason for what he was so sick. We have understood that it was this sect which has destroyed his family, which was the real cause of his big heart problems. We are in possession of all the websites he consulted as well as his mails. We have discovered that you and your leaders are horrible persons, you can do all, even killing. His fight seems legitimate for us and we shall help him in it.
Therefore, we warn you: if you dare to rise up the hand on our parent, we shall find you where you will be, even if it is necessary to do the round of the planet, we have the means for that. This is not a threat, it is an advice. And you can believe us, your god will not help you! We shall use legal means to throw you into jail till the end of your life.
Don’t think that is bluff, you can attempt to that, you will well see. In fact, the mails he has received are so written that your expressions, your words can be imagined that you can use violence against him.
A word to the wise is enough.
Paul Desjardins.
NB: Excuse my bad english.
Jean-Luc Delvallée
0621622256
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Subject: Re: résultat d’un manque d’écoute, d’empathie de la part des ‘responsables’ face à la détresse d’Haladhar Prabhu
From: radhacharan.tkg@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 07:18:49 +0800
Il y a beaucoup de colère, d’amertume et de haine dans cette lettre. C’est tres triste, aussi triste que l’histoire du yatra Francais a present. Il faut regarder dans nos coeurs pour la solution, nul par ailleurs. Si on comprend Prabhupada et si on veut vraiment satisfaire ses desires alors on regardera dans nos coeurs et ont fera le nécessaire pour tout rectifier a travers les qualités vaisnava. Sinon, c’est juste une piece de theatre ou chacun porte un masque.
Your servant
Radhacaran
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Rhadacaran, This picture means: I tell nothing, I see nothing, I hear nothing…
ISKCON POLICY
Sulocana murder, has been done with very much love?
Chakradhari also? ect…
Children abuses are Bhagavad-Gîta message, Srimad-Bhagavatam? The loving message of Srila Prabhupada, Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the six goswamis of Vrindavan, Krishna das Kaviraja goswami???
Yes, I am very angry, if I look in my heart, I see maya, when I read Srila Prabhupada’s books, I see Krishna…no comment… When are you going to mangala-arati, how many rounds do you chant every day?
When you tell one thing, you must confirm by quoting Srila Prabhupada. Don’t tell nonsenses! Follow Srila Prabhupada’s instructions before speaking, take prasadam and after, you will be able to speak. At the present moment, when you speak, you are like the frog who calls for the snake: come and eat me!
What do you think, that these same murderers meet to kill me? This is to make the pleasure of Srila Prabhupada? You are a very dangerous people…
All glories to Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and His eternal associates.
Hare Krishna
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