http://www.oneiskcon.com/2013/03/03/iskcons-bad-rap/
PADA: Fair enough, the "Kirtaniyas" (and many other similar independent kirtan programs) are making their own forms of kirtana, sometimes singing various hindi bhajans and so forth. And Rocana's Sampradaya Sun site has also complained about the "changed kirtana" process extensively.
Yet this does not answer the root question, what happened to all of ISKCON's former huge public samkirtana programs, temple bhajans and kirtans, and so forth, which were all formerly doing a nice program that Srila Prabhupada did approve of?
In case no one has noticed: The temples are almost empty these days, there are sometimes only one or two persons singing at some of these ISKCON temple programs. And the big public harinama samkirtanas we used to have, which had sometimes a hundred or even several hundred devotees, simply are not happening any longer. Or perhaps there is a big program, but only at rare events like a Rathayatra program once a year etc.
We all know why these programs have vanished, because the GBC "gurus" kicked out almost all the KIRTANA devotees and killed off most of these programs. So nowadays, the "kirtaniya" programs (and many other New Age kirtans and so forth) are basically all there is for most people -- at least in many cases. The root question is, why has the BVKS / GBC program destroyed almost all of ISKCON's kirtana programs by removing almost all of the original kirtana folks?
And yes, when there is barely nothing else going on, something else will always fill that vacuum, and so -- these other kirtaniyas will therefore flourish when there is nothing else left to do better. Notice, the oneiskcon article does not address the cause of this malady. OK, the GBC gurus are also promoting a lot of these programs themselves these days, at least oneiskcon does say that, but they forget to tell us -- how the same people promoting these deviations are gurus? ys pd
PADA: Fair enough, the "Kirtaniyas" (and many other similar independent kirtan programs) are making their own forms of kirtana, sometimes singing various hindi bhajans and so forth. And Rocana's Sampradaya Sun site has also complained about the "changed kirtana" process extensively.
Yet this does not answer the root question, what happened to all of ISKCON's former huge public samkirtana programs, temple bhajans and kirtans, and so forth, which were all formerly doing a nice program that Srila Prabhupada did approve of?
In case no one has noticed: The temples are almost empty these days, there are sometimes only one or two persons singing at some of these ISKCON temple programs. And the big public harinama samkirtanas we used to have, which had sometimes a hundred or even several hundred devotees, simply are not happening any longer. Or perhaps there is a big program, but only at rare events like a Rathayatra program once a year etc.
We all know why these programs have vanished, because the GBC "gurus" kicked out almost all the KIRTANA devotees and killed off most of these programs. So nowadays, the "kirtaniya" programs (and many other New Age kirtans and so forth) are basically all there is for most people -- at least in many cases. The root question is, why has the BVKS / GBC program destroyed almost all of ISKCON's kirtana programs by removing almost all of the original kirtana folks?
And yes, when there is barely nothing else going on, something else will always fill that vacuum, and so -- these other kirtaniyas will therefore flourish when there is nothing else left to do better. Notice, the oneiskcon article does not address the cause of this malady. OK, the GBC gurus are also promoting a lot of these programs themselves these days, at least oneiskcon does say that, but they forget to tell us -- how the same people promoting these deviations are gurus? ys pd
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