Conversation about the poison issue

NOY: I always knew the poison issue was a total lie, I was fortunate enough to be engaged in service at the Krishna Balaram Mandir before, during and after Srila Prabhapada passing away from this world. And I am a witness of how much dedicated were Bhakti Caru Swami and Tamal Krishna Maharaj in the service of Prabhupada . Bhakti Caru was administering the medicines to Srila Prabhupada right in his mouth since he was very weak due to illness , and he was doing that special service with such intense devotion and dedication. He is a very noble soul.

Mayesa Dasa My obeisances - Thank you. Your servant, Mayesa dasa

PADA: Does not change what Srila Prabhupada said, vahi bat ye hamko poison diye, to which everyone in the room agrees, Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned. Bhakti Caru was outside the room right after that crying, and he was asked why he was crying, and he said he is crying because Srila Prabhupada had said someone gave him poison. Also does not account for the fact it took me until 1997 to get the hindi tape, which was secreted out of the archives, why was the tape hidden?

**** But so what, Jesus was killed too. We cannot change that. Are you saying God is asleep because he does not help his devotees? God is in charge!

PADA: Right, Srila Prabhupada said just as Jesus was killed, they may kill me also. That does not mean God is asleep? Yes, Krishna is in charge, that is how I got the tape in the first place. I prayed to get the tape for 7 years, "Krishna you must provide me with this tape," and 7 years later a devotee came up and said, here are the tapes you wanted (they were tapes from the archives). Krishna is wide awake here?

So Krishna wanted this to come out, and He got me the tape so I could. I had it translated by a Bengali newspaper editor, and hardly any changes were made later, he did an almost perfect translation. Then Hari Sauri sent us a hair sample, and then we had the tapes forensically tested for whispers by three audio labs and so on, Krishna wanted this to come out, and it has.

Three professional audio forensics labs all agreed to the whisper content, this is not my view, its the view of the experts on audio forensics. The FBI in Gainseville also listened to the whispers when Naveen Krishna presented them to the FBI, and they said, this would be a homicide case if it was in the USA.

Michael Blumert. We need to block this (Puranjan) person.

PADA: OK Michael, does not explain the statements of Srila Prabhupada, confirmed by everyone in the room, the whispers on the tape, the hair sample results and so on. And the statements of the kavirajas and so on and so forth. You have not given a practical explanation, that is what is needed.

**** We cannot change what happened, nothing can be done now, why does it matter?

PADA: Jesus was crucified, does it matter? Well it matters to his followers? OK, nothing can be done about it, that is not the issue?

Lokaguru Das Actually Isa das was the person who discovered all the sound files and was the person who initiated the probe into who poisoned or attempted to poison our Srila Prabhupada. Jaganatha das was a late comer who, according to Isa, only became involved later.

His Divine Grace Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

www.srilaprabhupada.us

**** We should emphasize that Srila Prabhupada is living in sound ....

PADA: As soon as we said Srila Prabhupada is living in sound, and we should not worship Jayatirtha, I was booted out by four "new gurus." They did not allow us to promote the idea that Srila Prabhupada never left? Where have you been with all due respect? 

**** Isa was the first to promote the poison tapes ...

PADA: No. All of the Alachua people got the tapes from me, I sent them to Naveen and he gave copies to others there. Naveen went over the translation of the Bengali editor I used and he made a few corrections, Isa does not know Bengali or Hindi, he used my transcripts.

Lokaguru Das why doesn't Tim give a detailed chronology of when he recieved the tapes and from whom providing exact dates

PADA: The person who gave me the tapes got them from the archives. The archives later gave us an original copy which we used at the forensics labs. The person who got them from the archives does not want his name given since he fears for his saftety and he is taking medications etc. Dear Michael, why are you discussing hate when we are discussing the words of the pure devotee?

***** You and Sulochana are crack pots .... 

PADA: Sulochana had the whole New Vrndanava raided by the police, hah hah, everyone thought he was looney until all his stories were proven by the FBI, Federal Marshalls, Tom Bordenkircher and so on. I am doing a TV special on this topic right now. They believe us, sorry.

Lokaguru Das No exact date - just a bluff!

PADA: 1997, that is when I got the tapes, and I took them to a Bengali editor and he translated and I was handing out copies in front of the LA temple, ask the people who were there! I went to Kinko's and had 250 copies of the "poison" tape made and I sent to Naveen and others, ask Naveen? Ask Rocana, Nityananada, Naveen and all the others where they got their tape from? 

Lokaguru Das No exact dates and times - Still... JUST A BLUFFl

PADA: OK, well ask Naveen, where did he get his copy from and when? As Rocana, ask Nityananda and the others who were involved? 1997, that is the exact date. That means from 1997-1997 this tape was hidden.

Lokaguru Das you're stickin to the BLUFF til the very end -

***** Rocana is a crack pot ....

PADA: I never said Rocana was my friend, I said he wanted to know about the poison issue from us? Why is 1997 a bluff?

***** We are closing the door on you ...

PADA: Never mind if the door closes, that is why I am going on public and on television etc. 

Lokaguru Das oh lets see 1997; can we be more vague please... oh . when did Isa get the tape in 1977; 20 years earlier.

PADA: If Isa had the tape, why did he not give one to Naveen, his neighbor? I had to send to Naveen and others in Alachua? Why did I have to go and get it translated? Why was there no other transcript? Why did Naveen have to correct the one I made, and he had not seen any other copy than mine? In 1997? Are you saying Isa knew about this and he was hiding the issue? OK, that means you are saying Isa was sitting on the tape and he was not making it public, that is possible. As soon as I came out some people suddenly said they knew about this all along, like Prithu Putra swami.

Anyway if you want to know why I am making public web sites, public videos, public TV shows (working on one now), ask Michael Blumert, he wants to cut me off all devotee conversations, fine, we have no avenue left except to -- go public. And we are. That is what Srila Prabhupada did, he could no speak in the Gaudiya Matha, so he told their history outside the institution in the public and he even mentions them in the Srimad Bhagavatam and CC. Sorry it had to end that way, but he just proved that is our best if not only avenue here.