Gaura Govinda maharaja update

[PADA: OK, you apparently did not listen to the video, I did speak with Gaura Govinda Maharaja in person and he told me he has to "cooperate, tolerate and work with the GBC (and their gurus)." OK, and I also told him the GBC gurus are falling down sometimes into homosexuality, and he agreed they are. In fact the GBC spokesman Jayadvaita says these acharyas are sometimes caught having illicit sex with men, women and children. I have also stated many times that even the cannibal witch doctor's culture is more advanced than worship of illicit sex, they worship something wonderful in nature and not debauchees. You have failed to explain why GGM wants us to cooperate with less than cannibal culture?

Why would any religious man like GGM is supposed to be, want to "cooperate" with the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children "Vishnupada" messiahs? Is there any history of any vaishnava in any Vedic literature who "cooperated, tolerated and worked with" the worship of debauchees as acharyas? There are no examples of even a Vedic mleccha or dog eater "cooperating" with the worship of illicit sex?

There is clearly no example in the history in all Vaishnava siddhanta where any bona fide acharya, or any bona fide pot washing devotee, never mind that -- any prostitute devotee of Vishnu, who has "cooperated with" the worship of illicit sex as Vishnupada? Rather, all the acharyas say it is an extreme offense to cooperate with the claim that acharyas are debauchees. This is one of the ten offenses, to say guru is ordinary. Of course GGM could not even find an ordinary pious man to "work with," he had to work with extreme debauchees posing as Vishnupada messiahs program.

Even the lowest Christian drunkards would never cooperate, tolerate and work with the worship of homosexuals, pedophiles and so forth as Vishnupadas or messiahs. They know this is very ofensive towards God almighty. Worse, GGM was voted in in 1986 at the recoronation of Bhavanananda, at a time when almost everyone in the management of ISKCON was discussing that Bhav was having homosex with Taxi drivers in the holy dham etc. I did not cooperate with that, rather I objected, does that make me pure? No, but it does make me way more advanced than the people who acquiesced and got certified as acharya by that abominable sabha like GGM.

Atreya Rsi came back from that 1986 meeting where they re-annointed Bhav as their Vishnupada, and they simultaneously annointed GGM as their new messiah, and he told me personally, the leaders were all aware of this "problem." And there was a stack of written reports on this problem being read and discussed by the leaders. Are you saying everyone else knew except they did not tell GGM? Anyway he would have certainly known soon after that meeting because it caused a storm of controversy all over the society.

So again -- why does GGM "cooperate" with the worship of homosexuals who are paying Taxi driving men to have oral sex with him in the holy dham? Why don't you folks know it is a severe aparadha for a person to pose as a "Vishnupada" while having homosexual acts in the holy dham, and even worse is for a person to "cooperate" with that when he is a big scholar like GGM to help cement in these deviations? He should have protested way before I did because he was setting the example of a sadhu from India.

When I was in Vrndavana some sadhus there told me they never even pass stools in the dham, they go outside the borders of town, they said this is an offense, but yet there is a person posing as a Vishnupada having homosex in that same holy dham? And GGM is cooperating with this program? And I even told GGM they are making homosexuals into Vishnupada, and he told me he knows they are, and still AFTER THAT, he still said he has to cooperate with that process. So -- he knew, because he told me he knew!]

*** For that, you have launched a cowardly attack on him in his "absence." Why cowardly? Well, if you are indeed the pure devotee you say you are, you would not have waited over a decade to deride him after his aprakata-lila without giving him a fair chance; you’d have patiently and tolerantly faced him in his prakata-lila.

[PADA: You did not listen to the video. I did talk to him in person, he told me he has to cooperate, tolerate and work with the GBC gurus, AFTER I told him they are making homosexuals into acharyas. And GGM even agreed they are doing that. So he (A) agreed with me in person that the GBC is making homosexuals into Vishnupada acharyas, THEN (B) he told me he has to work with them. Even the worst and most fallen Christian drunkard in New York City would never cooperate with homosexual pedophiles posing as messiahs and acharyas.

This is verboten for any pious man, or even a very fallen man. In fact, even the lowest most fallen prostitutes who used to ride around in my taxi, they would wear a cross of Jesus on themselves because they have some love and respect for Jesus. And they sincerely hope that Jesus could save them somehow or other, so at least they have some respect and love for their acharya. These prostitutes would never even DREAM of saying their acharyas are fallen debauchees -- who are worse than a common prostitute.

In fact, even if these prostitutes live to be 100 years old, the thought that they would need to cooperate with the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as messiahs would never even enter their minds. This type of thinking is so grossly odious and offensive to God, they could not even conceive of such degraded mentality. It is below their dignity. Yet this was GGM's whole theme of his existence, we have to cooperate with the worship of debauchees as Vishnupada acharyas. Even by 1993 GGM was still saying at the GBC meeting, we need to keep Tamal. The founder father of the worship of homosexual pedophiles needs to stay? These prostitutes in my taxi could never even imagine such dastardly attacks on God by saying His successors are perverts and criminals. These prostitutes are pure devotees compared to GGM.  

That is because these prostitutes have some respect for God and for the post of His acharyas. Even in their worst nightmares they are not walking around saying, oh yea, the acharyas are having illicit sex with men, women and children. Their brains could not even contain such an offensive thought because they have love and respect for their acharya. Nor would they tolerate and cooperate with people making these offenses. So this is not about me saying I am pure, its commonly known by the ordinary man that its an offense to say God's successors are abominable, this is known even by the lowest prostitute in the city.]

*** After all, was he not present for many more years (until Feb 1996) after you felt peeved about his advice to tolerate and cooperate with the GBC goons about their gross maladministration on many matters, including all the perverted sexual indiscretions you correctly and factually talk about?

[PADA: OK so now you are arguing with yourself, you just said I am writing correctly when I say many of the GBC gurus are falling into sexual indiscretions. So I was complaining about that deviation and exposing it, but GGM refused to write anything to counter them. I asked him, you have to write a counterpoint position paper, and he said no, he has to work with them. So I was the one who was writing (to my peril) and he refused to write because he said he is working with them. So he is compromised with them. More importantly, people like me were getting beaten and killed while he was sitting on the lap of the people beating and killing us. Who authorized him to cooperate with the people who are beating and killing us? That means his finger is also on the collective karma trigger shooting at us, he is helping them shoot at us by encouraging them "oh the ritviks are deviants" (ok to attack them).]

*** So now it behooves his sincere sisyas and followers to defend his integrity. But, uncle dear, I’m helplessly seeing you degrading yourself by not even trying to give them a chance to say ANYTHING at all by twisting their words and condemning them as liars and even as supporters of sex-offenders. Is this gentlemanly behaviour?

[PADA: Well if people are cooperating, tolerating and working with the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children, this is a deviation. I am not twisting anything? This is a fact and you just admitted that these GBC gurus have been falling into illlcit sex, even perverted sex. And so Prabhavishnu is merely the latest example of this degradation of the parampara idea, that's all. So yes, if you cooperate with deviants, you are supporting them.

For example, if I "cooperate, tolerate and work with" the bank robbers -- who shot the people in the bank  -- by driving their getaway car, then the judge will say to me -- you have to go to jail along with the bank robbers themselves, you are guilty of murder as well. Its called conspiracy, complicity, acquiescing and so on, this is also a crime. If I drive the getaway car, I will still be charged with the murder of the bank teller inside -- even though I was not in the bank -- because I would be complicit by aiding and abetting. I am shocked you have no idea what is called collective karma.]

*** So, my ‘Pure’ (hence POWERFUL) Uncle, please stop cursing that very expansion of Nityananda Prabhu, and those who defend his integrity, and pay pride-less attention to all that follow. Then, like the ground on which you slip and fall is also the ground that stops your fall, let the harmless person you have so unreasonably blasphemed be the ONLY person who can save you from your naraka-bound careless headlong fall. (Even Krsna could not save the greatest POWERFUL sage Durvasa for cursing His premi-bhakta, King Ambaris, until, swallowing the humble pie and heeding Krsna’s advice, the sage begged the king’s forgiveness. Without malice, Ambaris forgave him.)

[PADA: I am not the person who is cooperating with the worship of deviants posing as Vishnupada acharyas? The collaborators with that deviation are the persons who go to Yamaloka, not me? Of course I may go there, or I may not go there, this is all speculation, but it will have nothing to do with me defending the parampara by saying it contains no debauchees? I am not going to be charged with that crime in this regard. I currently worship the pure devotee so I am not involved in that karma. You are blaming the messenger. Shastra says -- false gurus go to the lowest regions, and so do their supporters, ok like GGM. Shastra thus says the supporters of false gurus go to hell along with the false gurus, ok shastra says I am safe from going to hell for that offense because I am not a false guru nor their position paper writer like GGM is  --GGM is in danger, according to shastra.]

*** O, just one more thing --- I know it’s wrong to be angry, especially at one’s “pure” uncle. If at times I do say things in justified anger, please see the reason for it before condemning me. In this regard, let my Gurudeva (whom you have ignorantly demonized) advise you in his own words:

"'Krodha bhakti-dvesi-jane' – how can you utilize the enemy krodha (anger)? I will engage krodha against those who blaspheme Krsna and who blaspheme krsna-bhakta … that means a vaisnava can become angry, but only when someone blasphemes Krsna or a vaisnava-sadhu. He becomes angry when one speaks against krsna-bhakta.” GGS then cites the best example of Hanumanji who angrily burned Lanka for Ravana’s offense against Lord Ram.   [from p169, "SRI GURU PADA PADMA" —Tattva Vicara Publication]

[PADA: Right, so when someone says Lord Krishna's successors are having illicit sex with men, women and children, I am the one getting mad and GGM is sitting on their lap writing papers to support them. OK. Why is he not joining me in getting angry at them? ys pd]