Logical Result (RE: Sridhara Maharaja and ISKCON gurus)

We need to meet with these "acharya board" folks?

Logical Result

BY: PRAHLADA NRSIMHA DAS

The last report in the Sun about the 1980 meeting with Sridhara Maharaja is significant of the ISKCON situation at this time, and shows us how quickly things changed after Srila Prabhupada's departure. The discussion is already about a kind of ultimatum which devotees should present the big leaders with. Only 2 ½ years after November 1977! ISKCON appears already to be in a desperate and very urgent situation. 

We can see that 40 years later, things are very little different (which does not mean better), but the worries of many devotees are more or less the same. And ISKCON authenticity is discussed exactly the same. There was not any real improvement in this matter. It is even maybe possible to think that today, it is worse than in 1980.

Sridhara Maharaja's advice in this meeting, about what to do in such a case is maybe valuable by itself in any other situation. But is completely illusory in this particular one! Just useless words and hopeless plans situated under illusion.

[PADA: Right, the devotees should meet with the acharya board. Fine except, they are not acharyas? Sridhara Maharaja fails to address the root issue, these people have hi-jacked the acharya post. What is an "acharya board"? Its a concoction, plain and simple. The acharya board was made to over ride the GBC concept, there is no longer a GBC, there are now acharyas who are the overlords and overseers of the GBC.]

Personally, I feel exactly the same with what he says than I felt decades later in our Movement. And exactly the same as what appears sometimes during the night in my dreams-soft nightmares about ISKCON: we turn around and around, without ever anything decisive and with only double talk. 

[PADA: Exactly, no matter how much lipstick we put on a pig, its still a pig. No matter how many meetings, and contrived "rules for legislating the guru" people come up with, the original root issue -- the GBC are not qualified to be gurus, is not being fixed. The GBC / Rocana / Torben / Ajit Krishna / Hanuman Croatia program are busy making a "constitution" with layers and layers and layers of more "rules for administering the acharyas," but its all double talk. The GBC was never meant to "administer" the acharyas.]

The leaders' plans about devotees unsatisfaction and complaints and about our Movement problems is only to win time, through easy promises and illusory so-called strategies. That, in order to keep devotees/manpower within ISKCON and under their control. It is actually very exasperating. We did not come to Krsna Consciousness for that!

Sridhara Maharaja's advice in this meeting is completely illusory in the sense that first, I suppose that all the "acaryas", at this time, were also GBCs. So, there was, first, an obvious big conflict of interest. Moreover, those "acaryas" got already huge amounts of money, which gave them automatically much power. And also they got many of "their own" new disciples who believed those "acaryas" were bona fide and were almost ready to die for them. 

Therefore, those "acaryas" were already almost self-sufficient. Consequently, why should they have to care about a coming threat from other Prabhupada disciples that they may leave the Society and go out independently? The "acaryas" certainly even encouraged that in order to get rid of devotees who were questioning their way to conceive ISKCON and Krsna Consciousness. Stalin did the same and worse with old Lenin "disciples"!

In conclusion, what Sridhara Maharaja proposed can work only in a society where there is, first, no conflict of interest. And second, where people are at a minimum honest. It cannot work in a society where persons put their personal desires and ambitions before the collective interest. Democracy or collective discussions can work only if people are mainly honest. All that shows us the insoluble problems generated when we give the title and position of guru to persons who have still personal desires and so, are not qualified: demons, kanistha-adhikaris and even at best madyama-adhikaris.

Even if the Society sets rules, the position of guru naturally gives, through name, fame, title, money, disciples, prathista, illusion etc... those gurus the power to be, somehow, situated beyond those rules. They will follow those rules only when they are convenient to them. The Society and devotees are therefore taken hostage by this reality.

[PADA: Right. Rocana's plan to make more administrative rules and a constitution to manage and govern his self appointed acharyas is simply more double speak. Acharyas are not managed by the kanistha leadership of an institution, this is simply a big illusion. My friend Adiyajna dasa was telling me, the GBC is getting better because they are "learning from their mistakes." 

Well there you have it, Krishna's successor gurus are people who are in training and they are: making mistakes, they are in illusion, they are cheating, they are embezzling, they are sexual predators, in sum -- gurus are ordinary conditioned souls. To say gurus are conditioned souls is the mad elephant offense, of course then Adiyajna das said he has nothing further to discuss and he ran off. 

There is no such thing as "acharyas in training" who are "learning from their mistakes." They are not gurus, that is the problem. Anyway, the point is, almost everyone saw the defects of the GBC guru sabha early on, and the same defects are still there, i.e. they are not fit for the post of acharyas. ys pd]  

Valmiki Ramayan (with sanskrit slokas)

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Akshaya Patra to operate Gurukulas in India

http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/vijayawada/2017/nov/13/after-free-meal-it-is-free-education-from-akshaya-patra-1699626.html

Sridhara Maharaja: ISKCON devotees dying and already dead

GBC still promotes Jayapataka as "a pure devotee parampara member." One thing we cannot help notice, no one including Sridhara Maharaja seems to have discussed how neophytes cannot absorb sins by taking the post of diksha guru, and how neophytes taking these sins will pull them down. 

So its amazing, not only the mass is dead and dying, the gurus are often dead and dying from making severe offenses ... this process kills the perpetrators and the victims equally?


Second Conversation With Srila Sridhara Maharaja, Part 9

SM: Bengali:

If I have to say something formally from outside, then I have to say that among you who enjoy the greatest confidence of all the devotees, through such a man you call for a meeting in America or wherever the field is the most important. And in that meeting, the ones, those who are willing to boldly face the situation, participate, the GBCs, those who you feel are dissatisfied inwardly, call them and call a few acaryas like Ramesvara Maharaja who are sympathetic. 

And then in the meeting you record the feeling of different devotees and then with the strength of that resolution you call for their explanation that, "What you are doing in the name of Prabhupada? You are not absolutely infallible. Due to your activities the mass of the disciples of Prabhupada has become very bewildered. They are becoming very disappointed and they can see that a great loss is going to be incurred by the ISKCON society. The ISKCON society is in danger." [-->]

[PADA: Right, the mass of devotees are rejecting the "appointed guru" program right out of the gate. Thus the mass of devotees are bewildered, disappointed, unhappy and they see that the entire society is in danger of failing. The mass of devotees in sum see that the GBC's gurus are not on the platform of actual gurus, i.e. absolute and infallible. Yes, the mass of devotees see that these living gurus are creating a situation where ISKCON is in great danger of failing and falling. Sometimes people say Sridhara Maharaja / the GBC / Bhakti Caru etc. "did not know there was a crisis." Nope, they were discussing the "guru" crisis early on, and so were the mass of devotees.]

SM: So now you all reconsider yourselves and appeal to them to readjust themselves and thus this disaster can be saved. 

[PADA: Right, you have to appease the complaints of the mass of devotees otherwise, the (mass exodus) disaster simply gets worse.]

"So many devotees are leaving the movement. So many devotees have become half-dead, and so many devotees have already died. And so many are lamenting and we cannot just sit idly without trying to rectify the situation. We ourselves do not want any position, but what is going on is intolerable. It shows that the major portion is going to die. So we want some action to rectify this situation. We want some remedy for this. This must be thought out and accepted." [-->]

[PADA: Right, the GBC / Rocana / Gaudiya Matha / Torben / Ajit Krishna / Hanuman Croatia et al. "living guru" program is making the entire MASS of devotees half dead, and many have died already. The situation is intolerable. We need to remedy the situation, its a crisis. Sounds like a real vote of confidence? 

These living gurus are making the devotees feel half dead, or even feel totally dead (spiritually) in fact. In other words the living gurus are killing the spiritual enthusiasm of the mass of devotees and thus they are squashing the life essence out of ISKCON and its devotees. One big book distributor told me in 1980 he could no longer distribute books, he lost his enthusiasm. He did not want to invite people to come to ISKCON to worship fools like Hansadutta, so he gave up and went out to the karmi world. So this living guru process was draining the manpower out of the society, and was crushing the enthusiasm of the very people required to make the society function.] 

SM: So with this idea, you form a committee, make a resolution, and then selectively invite to come. In this way you call for a meeting, pass a resolution, and then cal for them and ask them to readjust their position and reconsider. Otherwise we shall be in painful necessity to make progress independently. You can say this in this line. (SM repeats this in English)

[PADA: Right, unless the God brothers are re-united with the movement they will go on independently without the society. The mass exodus / purge will continue and get worse. Correct. By 1985 Berkeley only had three Prabhupada devotees left, one of them was Hansaudutta. Everyone else had been purged out.]

SM: English: If you are.. so many good men, good followers of Swami Maharaja are exhaustably, frustrated, then you may do one thing. You may call a mass meeting of the followers and the well-wishers of your Prabhupada. And there you may … may discuss the present hopeless situation of the society, that it is gradually dwindling and dwindling, and it is intolerable to us. 

[PADA: Yep, under the GBC and Rocana's living gurus, the situation has become hopeless, the society is dwindling and dwindling, simultaneously the GBC guru's scandals and crises are increasing. Yep!]

SM: We are well-wishers of this mission and it is intolerable, we cannot tolerate any more. So what is the path before us to redress the wrong? Hmm. So invite a general meeting and you also invite some of the GBC members and if possible acarya like Ramesvara and so… and you amongst yourself, consult amongst yourself what to do. And then give an ultimatum to the acarya board. [-->]

[PADA: Well there is no point in giving an ultimatum to the acharya board, because none of them are acharyas? This is the problem with Sridhara Maharaja / Rocana etc. they think they can "advise and correct" their bogus rubber stamped acharyas. This never works, a person who thinks he is as good as Jesus is not going to listen to anyone, just like the bogus Jesus in Bellvue mental home do not listen to anyone's advice. These GBC's should never have been empowered and enabled to take the post of guru in the first place.]

SM: Our resolution at the mass meeting of the followers of Prabhupada is this: that you should readjust your position, or otherwise we shall be under painful necessity to take the line independently, for the welfare of the whole mission. We cannot be a sightseer, that so many are going astray, and so many dying, and so many are going to be killed and these things. It is intolerable. 

[PADA: Yes, the mass exodus and purge process was well known to everyone even early on. Oddly, Sridhara Maharaja also said that Hansadutta has to stay in the guru seat, and SM was saying Hansadutta has to remain as the guru even up to 1985? So he was supporting both the dissenters and the evil regime at the same time.]

SM: High time. And you must come to __________. In this way you can… if you feel that the mass will be with you, at least a substantial portion will be with you, and those that are gone astray that… Pradyumna and others, you may also invite them. The dissatisfied. Before mass meeting, you can have a selected meeting also, first and then after consultation you go on to for a … prepare yourself for a mass meeting.

DKS: Yes.

SM: First selected few meeting.

DKS: Definitely, at our Mayapur meeting next year, there will, some… a meeting also of the temple presidents who are also dissatisfied and…

SM: There are many… this first… the stalwarts meet first. And then a mass meeting you arrange. And the… after the stalwarts meeting, meeting of the handful, leading persons among you, you may give some ultimatum to the acarya board that this is going to happen, and it will be… the publicity will be great and it will be to your discredit. 

So try to come to our terms, consult, consultation and readjustment. But if you have argument then will be forced to prepare for a mass meeting of the… our godbrothers and to do the needful. This process you may take. Before that your group, committee resolution, should be intimated to them and last appeal to their good sense. The mass ______________ revolted against you. 

We feel we are also sincere workers, we want to sacrifice our life, and our… I think our life is valuable. So seeing that you are going ostensibly, we see that you are leading astray. We cannot remain, impartial viewer, or only a visitor. We have got interest in the mission. You should know this and not less than you. In this way you can do. What do you say?

BCS: Yes, Maharaja.

SM: Selected meeting and then approach them with a resolution and next mass meeting. If you are prepared for real fighting. You can do like that.

BCS: I think that it is going to be like this…

SM: Personal contact. Those that are going independent, hopeless, disappointed, going off, away from the association, you may meet them personally one by one. Let us come together. In this way a stalwart meeting will be first and then the resolution will be given, notice given to them and then mass meeting. And there it should be mentioned that we cannot be sightseer. We have got life interest in the mission. We come to save. And if we say that in the name of saving… you are all killers, we cannot tolerate that. We have also got fire, the spark from our guru maharaja, eh?

BCS: I think first Ramesvara Maharaja will try, after this, after he hears this tape, like he will try to get the other gurus to get together and come to you for advice, and if they don't do that…

SM: I am open to all. Generally I want that both parties will come and I shall try to help that it may not be broken asunder, torn asunder. Such a great thing has been done by Swami Maharaja, I love it very much. That a worldwide movement, organization that will be broken into faction, I can't tolerate this. So I like both parties will come and I shall try to find out a middle solution. But the party in power they may not care to come. I am… for a long time I am feeling that whenever I have dome upon a person going dissatisfied, dissatisfaction is going within the party. I am certain and unhappy. 

But the party in power does not care to come to me. Both the parties come, I want some sort of compromise, of course helpful compromise, not _____________ compromise. Helpful compromise may be affected and the united front will be kept up intact. That is desirable, for me at least. I am not… long time to live. I am sufficiently old but I don't like to see that Swami Maharaja's great work is disturbed in such a ways. 

So laudable a thing. prthivite ahce yata nagar adi gram / sarvatra pracara hoibe mora nam. This great action undertaken by Swami Maharaja effectively successful, that is going to be ruined by internal fued? Intolerable. So if both the parties come I shall try my best before I die that I want to see a united front and a healthy thing. Healthy institution, that is my heart's desire.

BCS: That is what most of the godbrothers also feel. They feel that whatever Sridhara Maharaja says, we will accept the decision.

SM: In the core of my heart I desire such. That it may be broken… it may remain united front and do the victory over the other religious principles. There are so many enemies in the name of religion, they are flourishing and such a great future will be lost? It is intolerable. And especially Prabhupada asked me to go to the West. I could not go, but the, Prabhupada has come the West to me, so I must have got some holy duty to discharge about that, I feel. So anyhow, it may not be broken into pieces. United we stand, divided we fall. But if hopeless then no alternative. For the sake of the truth… we must always side with the truth and not with the falsehood. Hare Krsna. Gaur Haribol.

All: Bengali

SM: I can feel… I saw that in him, and Swami Maharaja, he took the responsibility of that great unfinished work and did wonderfully successful work and we feel proud for him, we feel pride for his activity and how can we tolerate in our lifetime, within two or three years after his departure it will be broken into pieces? It is intolerable. Hare Krsna. But if for the sake of quality, for the sake of truth, we are to face such situation, can't help, truth is everything. satyam param dhimahi. Gaur Haribol. Jaya Caitanya.

This concludes "Second Conversation With Srila Sridhara Maharaja"

[PADA: Yes, first of all Sridhara Maharaja supported the acharya board, then later he said we should have mass meetings to discuss compromise with them, but the Pandora's box was already opened. The GBC gurus now felt they were the unchallenged authority and they were God's representatives on earth, and thus no one could challenge God's spokesmen and representatives. So they created a fanatical personal cult program, which has still never been uprooted even up to now. Sridhara Maharaja said we should get the sympathetic like Ramesvara, but he was making a very fanatical program in Los Angeles, where  dissenters were banned, exiled, some were allegedly beaten and later one was murdered. Hence Ramesvara was called "Srila Ragesvara" by some of the dissenters, he was not a moderate as Sridhara Maharaja assumed. ys pd]

You can make tricks to become worshiped, but it only lasts for awhile.

Of course madness is another result of imitation of guru

Jayapataka Implicated in Poison Complaint

JAYAPATAKA ENDORSES SRILA PRABHUPADA’S POISONING

JAYAPATAKA_ENDORSES_PRABHUPADAS_POISONING.doc

JAYAPATAKA_ENDORSES_PRABHUPADAS_POISONING.pdf

JAYAPATAKA_ENDORSES_PRABHUPADAS_POISONING.html

CHAPTER 75:

JAYAPATAKA SWAMI

INTRODUCTION

Jayapataka Swami is one of the original eleven fraudulent successor “acharyas” who claimed that Srila Prabhupada had appointed them as the next initiating gurus for ISKCON. This was a BIG LIE, in which Jayapataka participated, and which was admitted by the GBC in 1990. This was not a simple misunderstanding; it was a conspiracy by senior men, including Jayapataka, to highjack the movement and install themselves as Srila Prabhupada’s inheritors. 

See Book Two. 

This was a great fraud and spiritual crime for which Jayapataka has never made any explanation or apology. Jayapataka is believed, at a high-level of certitude, to be involved in Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning, suspected because of the evidence that implicates him, as well as his placement in the center of the unauthorized guru takeover of ISKCON.

If someone gets a share of the stolen money from a bank robbery, it is quite clear they were involved in the robbery, even though perhaps not amongst those who held up the tellers with guns. Jayapataka is a natural person of prime interest in Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning.

JAYAPATAKA IDENTIFIED IN THE THIRD PRIMARY AND CERTIFIED “WHISPER”

Hansadutta, Bhavananda, and Jayapataka are in the room when the poison whispers take place. In one instance on the last conversation tapes, Jayapataka is heard speaking with Srila Prabhupada in the background, not as whispers, but in full voice which was faintly recorded on the tape, perhaps because the recorder was across the room. Forensic analysis has confirmed this whispered conversation in the background to be:

LOW-VOLUME SPEECH: POISONING FOR A LONG TIME

“Whisper #3” takes place on page 391, Conversations Book #36, Nov. 10, 1977. Someone speaks four words in Bengali, after which Jayapataka Maharaja (it definitely is his voice) says what sounds to Mahabuddhi and many others as “POISON ISHVARYA RASA.” [(((mp3-audio)))]

VOICE: Bengali 4-word phrase: (kayek din pare asha, meaning “In a few days time.” (Maybe Jayapataka)

JAYAPATAKA: Poison ishvarya rasa (?) OR: [(((mp3-audio)))]

JAYAPATAKA: POISONING FOR A LONG TIME Certified by audio forensics (Jack Mitchell):

SRILA PRABHUPADA: TO ME?

VOICE 2: (whisper) THAT'S REALLY ORIGINAL.

VOICE: (whisper) GET READY TO GO.

[ http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/poison-whispers.html ]

When one listens to this part of the last tape recordings several times, it becomes more clear, and the most heartbreaking section is where Srila Prabhupada weakly asks in great surprise, “To me?” It appears to be Jayapataka admitting to Srila Prabhupada that they had been poisoning him for a long time, which is confirmed by the cadmium hair tests, namely that is was in effect at level levels from at least February 1977 until Srila Prabhupada’s departure 9 months later. 

This was some kind of “poison ishvarya rasa” or poisoning pastime, and that Srila Prabhupada should prepare to go, perhaps in a few days time. Totally shocking it is, but try as many have, there is no innocuous interpretation to the conversation. And it has been certified by the audio forensic specialist Jack Mitchell at CAE.

Therefore Jayapataka is classified as one of the primary suspects. He had the means, the motive, the opportunity, and the taperecording implicates him as well. Jayapataka was also situated right next to the tape recorder when the whispers, “The poison’s going down” and “The poison’s in the milk” were spoken, as indicated by the volume of his voice before and after the whispers. How could he be right there, within a few feetof the whispers between Tamal and Bhavananda, and not know what was going on?

JAYAPATAKA ENDORSES SRILA PRABHUPADA’S POISONING

On July 15, 1999 an article was posted on vnn.org by Radhapran das, Vice-president, Bukit Mertajam Temple in Malayasia:

“Amidst the various opinions made regarding the alleged poisoning of our beloved spiritual master His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, H.H. Jayapataka Maharaja has made several very significant comments during his recent-most tour of Malaysia in June. During a private darshan at Bukit Mertajam on 12 June 1999, Bhaktin Mala, a local devotee, put forth questions to Jayapataka Swami on the poison issue. 

Also present during the darshan were other local devotees such as H.G. Krishna Parayana das, H.G. Guna Avatar das, their respective wives, etc. In reply, Maharaja indicated that Srila Prabhupada had been close to the Gaudiya Matha during his final days on the planet and had taken food from them. He even went on to remark in his own words, that the Gaudiya Matha might have poisoned Prabhupada by saying: ‘they might have done it.’“

Thus a prominent GBC and ISKCON guru, Jayapataka Swami, went on record as admitting that such a poisoning was possible, where as the official ISKCON position has been one of flat denial. If the Gaudiya Math was able to poison Srila Prabhupada’s food, it would have been right under the noses of Bhakticharu and Tamal, who were responsible for security in this area. But, the rest of the article wonders, how could those poison whispers be attributed to the Gaudiya Math when Tamal, Bhavananda, and Jayapataka’s voices are recognizable in the three whispers?

It is noteworthy that Jayapataka did not enter any statement into the official GBC poisoning denial book, Not That I Am Poisoned. He must have been asked to do so, and he must have declined, thinking better of doing so. Why should he say anything, after all?

CONCLUSION AND MISCELLANEOUS INFORMATION

Around 1998, due to many complaints from many devotees, and following a committee investigation, Jayapataka Swami was CENSURED or reprimanded (given a warning to make changes), for not chanting his daily japa of 16 rounds on his beads, and for poor sadhana in other ways as well. Jayapataka also instigated by his activities that the GBC had to rule that ISKCON initiating gurus may only allow their birthday celebrations once a year, because he was constantly travelling around the world where his disciples would arrange a Vyasa-puja birthday celebration at each location. The result was constant celebration, year-round. This disturbed many devotees who saw this practice as a continuation of the zonal acharya era practices. He was also accused of constant travel so that devotees would not notice his lack of sadhana.

In March 1978 when Sridhar Maharaja told Jayapataka that being appointed as a ritvik representative of the guru does not automatically make one an initiating guru later, Jayapataka told Sridhar Maharaja, as recorded on tape, referring to the May 28 tape: "Prabhupada has given explicit desires." Sridhar Maharaja then believed that Srila Prabhupada had actually appointed eleven acharyas, and gave his extensive advice to ISKCON’s “new acharyas” on that basis. This was an act of deceit by Jayapataka; there was no giving of explicit desires or instructions by Srila Prabhupada that anyone become a successor guru. This led to the exploitation of Sridhar Maharaja by ISKCON leaders, using his advice based on misinformation (a lie from Jayapataka) to then further justify their zonal acharya system. Sridhar Maharaja should not have trusted Jayapataka’s word so easily and he should have asked for proof that Srila Prabhupada wanted new gurus, just as many are doing now.

“Maharaja, when our Srila Prabhupada left, then he has given instruction that for initiating and carrying on the sampradaya there would be eleven- in the beginning, he appointed eleven devotees, his disciples, to be initiating spiritual master or to accept disciples and in the future thatnumber would also be able to be increased.” (Jayapataka to Sridhar Maharaja, March 1978)

Of course that was a big, bold lie. There has never been any evidence produced since 1977 that Srila Prabhupada appointed anyone to initiate after his departure. And the GBC in 1990 admitted it was not true and apologized for the decade of zonal gurus based on that lie. Jayapataka boldly lied to Sridhara Maharaja and misled him into giving faulty advice and an endorsement of the unauthorised guru system that he and his cohorts had conspired to foist upon the general devotees.

We find Jayapataka to have been the most sly and clever of all the bogus initiating gurus, always carefully calculating his responses and actions, usually by being non-committal and vague. He is an expert and Teflon politician. He has a powerful astrological configuration to protect from death: he survived in 1990 a knife attack to his throat which circled half his head but missed his jugular vein by an eighth of an inch. Healso has so far survived a severe stroke which has paralyzed one side of his body. Thus there are explanations as to why Jayapataka just keeps going on… and on.

There have also been many incidences and reports of his fanatically inclined disciples in Bengal, with incidents of an unexplained and suspicious prison suicide, bomb explosions, beatings of perceived critics, and what is called the Bengali Mafia. Jayapataka has over ten thousand disciples, many who will do anything for him. We have not felt safe going to Mayapur ever since Srila Prabhupada departed, and especially since the Vedic Village Reviews of 1989-1993, what to speak of the book Someone Has Poisoned Me published in 1999.

“Similarly in this institution if there is a bad disciple he can burn the whole
institution into ashes." Srila Prabhupada Letter to Bali Mardan, August 25, 1970.

IN PURSUIT OF PRABHUPADA’S POISONERS

REWARD ON PRABHUPADA'S POISONERS

Truth Committee - Nityananda Das

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Hanuman Croatia / Torben: Bhogha Offerings to Illicit sex Deviants?

Another Ritvik Rip

BY: BHAKTA TORBEN

Nov 14, 2017 — DENMARK

This is the system:

"You are coming here to learn something. When you are convinced that "Swāmījī knows the thing," when you are convinced, then you accept.
Then you ask for initiation.

Otherwise don't do it hesitatingly or knowing half. Therefore in the system it is enjoined that the spiritual master also observe the disciple at least for one year, and the disciple also study the spiritual master at least for one year.

So when both of them are convinced that "He can be my spiritual master" or "He can be my disciple," then the relationship is established. We initiate our students. The preliminary initiation is offering chanting. Then we observe, at least for one year, how he is chanting, how he is doing. Then the second initiation confirms.

That is the system."

(Srila Prabhupada, Los Angeles, 1969

This system is, of course, impossible in the Ritvik-dogma-church propounding formal initiation to a departed guru.

[PADA: Wow! So we cannot offer bhogha and disciples to a departed guru. Yep, we have to offer bhogha and disciples to Torben's / Rocana's / Hanuman Croatia's illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs instead? Where is is stated in shastra that we have to offer bhogha to a guru lineage of persons engaged in illicit sex? 

Amazing, we cannot offer bhogha to a pure devotee, we have to offer bhogha to a lineage of deviants. Where is this done -- in any religion? We cannot offer grace to Jesus, we have to offer grace to -- the town drunk? ys pd]    

Jesus is not the acharya, because he his post mortem, the village drunk is the messiah -- because he is alive? What?

This is one of the "living messiahs of the Jagat"?

Guns And Yoga (?) (video)

PADA: Oh swell!

Gaura Govinda Maharaja Does Not Accept Sabda Brahman

SRILA GURUDEVA IS ALWAYS PRESENT SPEAKING KRSNA-KATHA

Devotee 1: The disciple is eternally hearing.

Sri Srimad Gour Govinda Swami: Yes, this process is eternal. I am eternally the disciple of my Guru. I am constantly hearing from him. What I am hearing that I am speaking, I am not concocting anything. What my Guru says, I say.

Devotee 1: For a disciple who is still conditioned and whose spiritual master has left the planet, although he has books, he still has to hear sabda-brahma?

Sri Srimad Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes, hearing is more effective. Books will help you. Nevertheless, you have to hear. It is not that only by reading books you can have it.

Devotee 1: So he cannot achieve this position of tattva-jnana just by reading. Even if he has had physical contact with guru, still he must hear from the tattva-acarya who is physically there, who is acting as a pipe.

Sri Srimad Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes, guru is always there and Krsna is always there, manifested and unmanifested. Guru may have become unmanifest, but still he is there. However, you should understand how he is there, in what form.

Devotee: When you say that the guru is always present, and that we have to recognize the form he is present in, isn’t that the meaning of disciplic succession?

Sri Srimad Gour Govinda Maharaja: Yes, guru is always present. I see my guru always. He is not gone. He has not disappeared. If you say that he has disappeared, it is very painful to me. No. He is there! I see him every day, every moment. Every day I am hearing from him. Therefore I am speaking. How can I speak unless I hear? I am not hearing any tapes. I am hearing directly from him, but you cannot understand it.

From discussion after class
PARIS FRANCE 24 JULY 1995.

PADA: Except Gaura Govinda Maharaja said that its wrong to accept that we all originated with Krishna in His leela or sport. How can GGM be hearing, but not even know the basics of what Srila Prabhupada says on this topic? And moreover, how can GGM deny the title of the flagship magazine called BACK TO GODHEAD (from where we originate)? 

This is why Srila Prabhupada said his God brothers do not accept the Back To Godhead idea because they are tinged with mayavada. A person who is tinged with mayavada is NOT hearing. GGM says we cannot get sabda brahman from the books and tapes, it will not descend from there, we have to hear from the living lips person. Yet GGM has not even understood what the guru said? We knew what he said, because we read the words of the guru? Since GGM does not accept sabda brahman, how can he give any to others? ys pd

Tamal "give me medicine to make me disappear" (Video)

MERCY KILLING: killing someone painlessly who is suffering from an incurable illness, with or without their consent or knowledge.

However, the cadmium hair tests now prove that Srila Prabhupada’s departure was homicide, and Tamal’s talk of euthanasia casts so much MORE suspicion upon him as the cadmium poisoner-in-chief, that were he still alive today, he would have become the most controversial person in the Hare Krishna Movement. Perhaps it is best that he is gone, because when devotees would learn about and hear his 1977 BTG interview, he would probably find it necessary to flee into hiding for his personal safety.

TAMAL PREPARED EUTHANASIA DEFENSE FOR LEAKS ABOUT POISONING.

Tamal must have been concerned that the poisoning was about to be discovered and he was rehearsing his skills at explaining the “mercy killing.” The poison discussions just prior to Srila Prabhupada’s departure must have gotten a number of devotees asking questions, and Tamal was surely worried that the truth would become public. Therefore Tamal was introducing his defense strategy, namely that Srila Prabhupada asked to be assisted in an immediate death. This remarkably sinister idea was intended as a clever defense in case the poisoning became public knowledge. 

Tamal appears to be planting the seed of a new and radical concept, a rationale for a poisoning, doing the groundwork for a “mercy-killing” defense should it become public that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned. In that case, Tamal could explain that it was Srila Prabhupada’s dying request. In Tamal’s book, TKG’s Diary, a careful reading for October 1977 shows Tamal inserting several times his claims that Srila Prabhupada was speaking suicidally. 

For example, on page 219, Tamal quotes Srila Prabhupada as saying, “Better you don’t pray to Krishna to save me. Let me die now.” However, these statements by Srila Prabhupada are NOT on the audio tapes and we think they are fabrications.

This absurdity is unacceptable and preposterous. How is death by cadmium merciful? Cadmium is an excellent manner in which to increase one’s suffering, not to ease it or end it. Why was Tamal espousing the bizarre notion that Srila Prabhupada wanted to die peacefully by being given “medicine,” or in other words, a deadly poison?

WHY DID TAMAL NEVER BRING UP HIS CLAIMS OF ASSISTED-SUICIDE EVER AGAIN?

Tamal never raised the subject of assisted suicide again after this one private interview in 1977, presumably because the poisoning issue lay well-enough concealed for twenty years before it looked him back in the face. Even after the poison issue became very public due to discovery of the poison whispers in 1997, Tamal never revisited these preposterous claims again. Why? Apparently he rethought his strategy.

Just after Srila Prabhupada’s departure in late 1977, Tamal must have been so gravely concerned that Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning would become commonly known. Perhaps rumors or leaks from those who knew of or suspected the poisoning, or follow through from the “poison discussions’ where Srila Prabhupada himself spoke of being poisoned- could have pushed Tamal to talk about “medicine to die.” Previous chapters chronicled how at least several persons accepted Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning before and after Srila Prabhupada’s departure.

It was typical of Tamal to come up with radical positions and then to abandon them, as he did with the Topanga Canyon confessions in 1980 and his support for Narayan Maharaja in 1995. This phenomenon is the hallmark of deviation and untruthfulness.

TAMAL’S SUGGESTIONS OF AN ASSISTED-SUICIDE MUST BE REJECTED

According to Tamal, Srila Prabhupada’s health had declined due to natural causes throughout 1977, and that Srila Prabhupada’s final wish in November 1977 was assisted suicide with “medicine.” But this is all proven false by the discovery of cadmium in his hair. The “medicine” which Tamal speaks of is therefore cadmium. 

And the hair which was tested and found to have sky-high cadmium levels was dated from early March and late August 1977, which constitutes a chronic or longtime poisoning over many months. These hair cutting dates contradict the idea of a one time assisted suicide with a medicine overdose in November 1977. The timing of a assisted suicide would have to be in Srila Prabhupada’s last days, but the cadmium poisoning started at least 9 months earlier late February. This alone disproves Tamal’s suicide suggestions.

Tamal chickened out of saying that he actually did assist in Srila Prabhupada’s suicide. But he strongly hinted at it, and left the question open. So let’s examine that idea. Supposing Tamal did, at Srila Prabhupada’s request, give him some cadmium medicine in mid-November. Such a one-time lethal dose would not have time to show in Srila Prabhupada’s hair, as it takes at least 30 hours hours to even begin the slow deposition process of poison into the root of growing hair. Such a poisoning would never be detected by hair tests, but only by blood tests. 

Yet the March and August hair samples did reveal high levels of cadmium, meaning that the ongoing poisoning was from at least late February 1977, long before Srila Prabhupada had become bedridden and supposedly was asking for medicine to die.

The cadmium hair tests have disproved any proposal of a final-days, one-time, lethal medicinal or poison overdose, constituting assisted suicide. Tamal is lying. Poisoning had started at least by late February 1977, and was still in full force by late August, in amounts that would cause any ordinary person to expire very shortly. So much for Tamal’s talk of an assisted “medicinal” suicide in mid November.

Fundamentalist Church Losing More Youth

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/report-woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-activity-when-she-n819426

More and more victims coming forward to raise abuse allegations.

PADA: There are reports that an increasing number modern day Christians, especially the youth sector living in places like "The Bible Belt" (southern USA) are rejecting their faith because of rampant hypocrisy. Main case in point: various big church leaders and / or the politicians the Church supports appear to be corrupt, and as such they should not be supported. 

Instead, corrupt folks are often being forwarded as the Church and / or political leaders of the "Christian" community. Recently there has also been a flood of abuse victims coming forward, and they are also exposing Hollywood elites, as well as some "Christian conservative" political leaders simultaneously. 

"Its an avalanche" as one report suggests. 

What is interesting is that more and more of the Christian youth as a class are rejecting the elders and the formal religion, because of the double standard of (a) preaching that we need to oppose deviants as religious or political leaders, while (b) practicing supporting and promoting deviants as leaders of the Christian community. 

This is largely what has happened in ISKCON. The leaders have been complicit in corruption, and the youth as a class have rejected the religion. Before ISKCON can regain credibility with its alienated youth, it needs to present credible leadership. A common complaint we hear from some of the ex-youth is that the same leadership group that created the mass exodus, scandals, abuse, embezzling, lawsuits, murders, and so on -- are still pretty much in charge. 

Worse, some GBC's biggest leaders buried Kirtanananda in a samadhi. 

Recently we were told the GBC will appoint Radhanath, Devamrita and Vaisesika as the "new managers" of New  York temple in Brooklyn. What? Some of the same people who buried Kirtanananda in a samadhi are going to fix things? Often, the lieutenants or helpmates of the original deviants are in charge. This has to change, or else the ISKCON religion will empty out just as the Christian faith is losing membership. ys pd        

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/04/breaking-faith/517785/


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/m/994a063e-993a-3f68-aba5-867aa552ec09/ss_why-millennial-women-are.html

Krishna Hankers to see Radha (Video)

Dealing with dysfunction(Vaishnavi ministry)

http://vaishnaviministry.org/dealing-with-dysfunction/

Delhi is "A Gas Chamber"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/5459328c-81b6-3288-b695-303d06bd573a/ss_%22gas-chamber%22-delhi-10-times.html

PADA: A devotee friend got stuck in Delhi trying to get to Vrndavana after their bus was cancelled, and they suffered intense headaches, blurred vision, shortness of breath, nausea and other distressful ailments from the toxic smoke. It seems like India and extreme use of technology are -- not a good idea. They were upset that while they could get out of there eventually, the cows cannot escape, they are stuck there to suffer until they die. ys pd 

Conversation with ISKCON GBC and Sridhara Maharaja #4

Second Conversation With Srila Sridhara Maharaja, Part 4

BY: SUN EDITORS

Nov 06, 2017 — CANADA (SUN) —

BCS: Bengali: 

Dhira Krsna Maharaja says that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur will not tolerate any conclusions which are against the ideas of Srila Rupa Goswami. He will not tolerate them at all. That all the apa siddhantas should be done away with and in that case is it not also our duty to act under the same instruction not to tolerate the apa siddhantas.

[PADA: It was well known all along that various GBC leaders were falling down left, right and center. Again very well known and -- all along -- during the 1960s - 1970s. Why would the falling down sector magically become pure devotees and acharyas all of a sudden -- simply by dint of the fact that Srila Prabhupada had departed? And why would it not be apa siddhanta to declare people with such a dubious track of record of failing -- as acharyas? And why do Rocana and others keep insisting these falling down folks were meant to be worshiped as acharyas and to become Srila Prabhupada's diksha guru successors?

Is is not an offense to say that the successors to God are often falling and deviating? 

Dhira (Sudhir) Krishna has become a big defender of Sridhara Maharaja, who supported the GBC's guru appointment idea, but there is no evidence 11 gurus were appointed? Before we discuss what is proper siddhanta and what is not, should we not establish first of all -- whether or not conditioned neophytes can take the post of acharya? 

Shouldn't "evidence of the guru appointment" be the first topic being discussed, and what are the specific guidelines and policies that Srila Prabhupada gave for how these "11 appointed acharyas" are to operate? Why was there no discussion of how this process was going to operate according to Srila Prabhupada, rather Sridhara Maharaja was being asked how it would operate? 

The fact that Sridhara Maharaja is being asked how this so-called appointed guru process is going to operate proves, there are no other guidelines given by Srila Prabhupada on this process, because he did not order an appointed guru process. When Satsvarupa said that Srila Prabhupada told the GBC to go to Sridhara Maharaja to get instructions on how the appointed guru program would function, that itself proves, there are no "orders" from Srila Prabhupada to make this process.]  

SM: Of course. Two things, one positive and one negative. Negative, atattva, which is not truth, to eliminate that, and tolerance around what is truth, we have to culture cultivate that. These two aspects of the life, of the activities of everyone's life two things: elimination of the undesirable and to acceptance of the desirable. Every second, every point of life, every second we have to do that. Krsna. Hare Krsna.

DKS: Well, I mean I have more questions, after that one question was answered… well, how are they seen in relation to that question. One point was from yesterday. The lowest level description he gave of a madhyama adhikari was one of has both feet in this world, but who has, who is, he said he is "fully experiencing the divine place" so he can… and he says that he can clearly see the divine … so we don't see anyone who practically fits even this lowest description of the madhyama-adhikari guru. Well, I just want to confirm…

[PADA: Hee hee, yes, they even admit they are discussing people who have "both feet in the material world." How can such persons be worshiped as liberated acharyas? Rocana and Kailash keep saying there can be Madhyama diksha gurus, but herein people on the scene admit these 11 GBC are not even on the lowest rungs of the Madhyama platform. So they are kanistha at best, which means literally "the qualified brahmana platform," but they are barely even that level.] 

BCS: Bengali:

Translates the above into Bengali and then further adds that from the descriptions of the third class guru, none of the present eleven acaryas fit even to that category. So what are we then supposed to do with this present situation?

[PADA: Right, it was clear -- even from the out set -- that these 11 people were barely fit even for the third class platform. And this was being relayed to Sridhara Maharaja, so he knew they were not qualified to be acharyas. And so did Bhakti Caru swami and many / most others know this as well. Didn't Rocana also know that these people were faling on a regular basis? Why would they all agree that the failing sector are simultaneously the acharya sector, unless they never understood what is an acharya from square one? Yep, none of the 11 are even fit to be in the third class guru designation, therefore, lets make them full blown acharyas?] 

SM: And if it's going, it is in his view, he is also going and taking the whole retinue with him.

DKS: At most we have some general view.

BCS: Bengali: Not only are both their feet firmly planted in this material world, but also their vision is very much in this material world.

[PADA: Wow, these 11 have BOTH their feet planted in the material world, and their vision is clouded by the material energy. So it was clear to Sridhara Maharaja, Dhira Krishna swami, BCS and others, and of course Rocana et al. that the 11 are conditioned souls, thus not qualified to be gurus or acharyas.] 

SBD: If none of them fit even this lowest category of guru then what is to be done by others who are part of the society?

[PADA: Great question. What is going to happen to the other 5,000 disciples of Srila Prabhupada who may not want to support these "two feet in the material world" "not yet Madhyama" gurus?]

SM: The question will come, this sort of vision is coming from what section? That is to be examined, the foundation on which you stand. That is that soil is to be examined by particular cases. If you like my advice about the decision then particular cases should be given to me.

SBD: Particular persons, and their personalities.

SM: The personal defects, the sample of personal defects. "This is the objectionable practice, in this gentleman. Is it bona fide? And spiritual color? Spiritual color or mundane color?

DKS: We don't want to embarrass him with the details.

SM: So in this action we think it to be mundane but if it may have any spiritual color? The particular case you may put before me and I shall try to understand. If such…

DKS: I am saying that I don't want to embarrass him with any unpalatable details.

[PADA: Now it is further clarified, not only the 11 have two feet here in the mundane world, they have a tendency to act in an unpalatable (fallen) manner, or even a depraved manner. OK, some of the 11 might tend to be sexual predators or worse, and all this was made clear to Sridhara Maharaja right out of the gate. So they may at any moment act in an abominable and unpalatable manner, therefore, they are acharyas? Is this not an attack on the acharya platform?]

BCS: translates

SM: kanak, kamini, pratistha. Generally those undesirable activities will come under these three groups. Prathistha is find, that one wants to take the credit, the whole credit within his clutches, just as you say about (name). (name) says that "I am the person who has received the maximum grace of guru maharaja and confidence." 

That is pratistha, may come into the category of pratistha. Another is kanak, means money, men and money. hmm. The power. He is very … he has got thirst, unquenchable thirst to acquire money, men and power. Must have power. Another is kamini, that he is falling prey to the women. Hmm. charm, and mixing beyond the limit. These three classes complaint may come, and highest is prathistha, and in there also it may include that he is even, he's excluding guru maharaja and he's trying to take his position that he is greater than him.

[PADA: He has two feet here, and he wants to be recognized as the acharya. That means he is already "trying to take his guru's position" or worse, he is saying "that he is greater than" his guru. Again, shows that many people were well aware of the fallen nature of the 11, and it was being predicted the types of failures they could, or eventually would succumb to.] 

DKS: Like he once said to one of Prabhupada's disciples, he inferred that Prabhu… he said, "You must serve a person, not a concept." So he was inferring that Srila Prabhupada was reduced to a concept and he was the living embodiment of this guru tattva.

BCS: Bengali… you cannot serve a concept… Prabhupada is not a person now, he is only a concept… he reduced Srila Prabhupada to a concept … I am the person so you must serve me, must go through me…

[PADA: Now they are discussing that Srila Prabhupada is clearly being minimized, while the bogus 11 are being artificially conflated to the post of acharya. So they all knew Srila Prabhupada was being minimized, and they also knew the strategies and techniques that were being used to minimize him.]

SM: guru bhognike This is not objectionable to the extreme, but partially objectionable because, suppose there are five sons of a father and the eldest son says to the youngest, "You don't know the ways how to satisfy the father. You must what I shall say. You do that to please my departed father. These things were very favorite, to offer these things…" 

This sort of advice may be given. If it is in… such color then of course it is innocent. That I have got more experience about Prabhupada's nature so if you really want to do favorite work of Prabhupada, you use my experience, this will help you a great deal. Don't try to connect direct … connection … relation with him. You'll be deceived. You'll not able to come to his concrete self, it will be only vague. This sort of…

[PADA: Guru bhoghi, yes a person who desires to enjoy the post of his guru. How does that qualify them to be gurus? Guru bhogha, that means Sridhara Maharaja is identifying that they are possibly or probably diseased and contaminated with the desire for guru position. Why was this issue not discussed threadbare, that they have two feet in the material world, perhaps their only qualification is -- sheer audacity and blind ambition, aka guru bhognike.]

BCS: Maharaja, we heard about the characteristics of a parama-hamsa, that he extracts the nectar. Separates the milk from water, and he takes the milk That now we can see in you the manifestation of that quality, like from… you are always taking the nectar…

SM: ki bolche? (What is he saying?)

SBD: repeats the statement in Bengali

SM: (laughing) Bright side…

Bengali:
SM: Yes, I am simply trying to see the brighter side of it so that we may not commit any mistakes against the other party. We must always see the brighter side. Let me say this in Bengali. When Srila Prabhupada disappeared, left this planet, then Vasudeva was made the acarya and then many senior disciples like Nemi Maharaja objected. 

He said that when a branch is directly connected with the trunk and he is then asked to connect himself with another branch, is that possible? This was the argument he forwarded. And then I started pleading the case of Vasudeva because he was like my elder brother. I said, according to Srila Rupa Goswami the service to a devotee is the greatest and it is at the same time service to the Supreme Lord. Although the bhakta is only a part, but yet by serving the bhakta even Lord Krsna is receiving the service, is being served. 

By trying to serve the Lord directly, the Lord might be served or may not be served. But by serving the Lord's devotee, definitely both the devotee as well as the Lord, is served thereby. The Srila Rupanuga vicar according to Srila Rupa Goswami is that once you serve the sadhu, the guru, vaisnava, then the Lord is also being served. So that is how I approached this particular situation. That if an elder godbrother is being served and through him our guru is being served, then we are being successful in our devotional life and when the senior godbrother is very favored of the Lord, is dear to the Lord, then I am serving the guru through him and ultimately the Lord Himself. This is the conclusion. 
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[PADA: Correct, Sridhara Maharaja said serving falling down people like Ananta Vasudeva is serving Krishna. Its not.]  

My own speculation might say so many things but this is the actual conclusion of the sastras so when I am approaching such a subject I should be very careful so as not to commit any mistake. I should always see the brighter side to avoid any mistake. 

[PADA: Seeing the brighter side of neophytes posing as acharyas is a mistake in itself? We should see the brighter side of the pirates taking over the ship, ok then we will lose the ship and all its passengers?] 

We must eliminate all the undesirable elements and try to see the brighter side of everything. Judging it very exhaustively in order not to make any mistake and then even if we fail in that endeavor, then of course there is nothing left for us to do. There is no recourse to that. Do you understand? We must see all the possibilities from their point of view. 

We must choose all the possible arguments they might face. Once the great learned advocate Rajmeri Gosh came to the court quite drunk and started pleading the case of his opponent and the lawyer Abhira of the other side was looking on quite amazed at this thing. He was thinking that "This advocate is stating all the facts and points of my client." And then the junior advocate of Rajmeri Gosh suddenly reminded him that, "Sir what are you doing? You are stating all the arguments for your opponent." 

The advocate exclaimed, "Is it so?" Then he started telling the judge that, "You honor, these are the different points and arguments my opponent may raise, so now I am placing forward my argument, the points I want to bring to you." And when he started speaking about the points he originally wanted to say for his own client, then the other lawyer was quite dumbfounded and had practically nothing to say. 

So all the arguments that the other party might want to give, we shall discuss them in detail and bring out the salient points so that we might not make any mistakes. We must be aware that we are not influenced by any prejudices. Just like they are being influenced by prejudices, we should be careful not to commit the same mistake. We must be well-guarded so that we are not led astray of the path of truth.

English: We must be safe. To make our position safe we shall try our best not to commit any mistake, so we shall try to see the bright side of the other party, eh? This may be like that, you see… (Bengali re: Vasudeva Prabhu) … the friend of mine on the other party may say as much like this something now, please hear that I am cutting everything… Bengali…

SBD: Bengali:
Maharaja, the advice (name) gave his godsister (name), she joined much earlier to (name) and had Srila Prabhupada's association from earlier times and longer.

SM: Bengali:
Not everything can be judged according to the time span. Just like Bhakti Caru Swami, he came much later and became very beloved of Srila Prabhupada. Not everything can be judged according to the time factor.

English: Seniority is not the only criterion.

[PADA: Great, so they almost all knew all along the 11 are not fit to be acharyas, but they crammed that forward anyway. That means Sridhara Maharaja and everyone who knew this was wrong from the outset is responsible for the ensuing: banning, beating, molesting, murders, degradation of the acharya post, bad publicity, scandals and so on ad infinitum; -- which all happened as a result of their helping the promoting of conditioned souls as de facto messiahs. Yep, they are not acharyas, but we should forget that, look to the bright side and pretend that they are, and then chaos, scandals and murders will be the result. 

Now the GBC is holding "management classes" where they say, "we have to learn from our (acharya's) mistakes," so they are officially now saying acharyas are defective people who make mistakes, who fall down, who make scandals and etc. This is the result of all this, the acharya is now a mundane person who has "two feet here."

ys pd]

Stephen Hawking: Earth Will Turn into Hell

https://www.yahoo.com/news/stephen-hawking-latest-doomsday-prediction-031307653.html

[PADA: This guy really does not have a lot of confidence in the future of the modern technological lifestyle. The scientists do not have faith in their mundane science created lifestyle? Neither do a lot of other people have much faith in the current situation, i.e. those who believe Kali Yuga is marching forward and indeed, this will make the earth into a hellish region. ys pd] 

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Delhi is "a gas chamber"

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/authorities-declare-public-health-emergency-053359086.html

De-monetizing India has hurt the Rural sector

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suparnadutt/2017/11/07/one-year-later-indias-demonetization-move-proves-too-costly-an-experiment/#5318136a378a

Kill Guru and Become Guru "Critical Thinking Required"

Ch. 55 KILL GURU BECOME GURU: POISONING SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BODY, continued:

CRITICAL, ANALYTICAL THINKING IS REQUIRED TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH

Critical, analytical thinking is required to reach an enlightened and clear understanding of the evidence that implicates certain persons in Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning, starting with the foremost suspect Tamal Krishna Goswami. Unbiased readers who carefully study the total evidence presented herein can appreciate the facts as to how Tamal was the “bad apple” or “bad disciple” cited in the quote at the beginning of the section. 

By the last chapter of this section, it will be established beyond a reasonable doubt that Tamal not only physically poisoned Srila Prabhupada, but was also the leader in poisoning Srila Prabhupada’s institution as well. The evidence will move an objective examiner from seeing Tamal as a suspect to being the poisoner of Srila Prabhupada and his movement. 

Critical thinking is also called critical analysis, and is the objective evaluation of an issue to form a judgment; it is clear, rational thinking involving critique. Two further definitions of critical thinking are:

1) The process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and evaluating information to reach a conclusion
2) Disciplined thinking that is clear, rational, open-minded, and informed by evidence

FROM WIKIPEDIA: Critical thinking is an important element of all professional fields and academic disciplines. Within the framework of scientific skepticism, the process of critical thinking involves the careful acquisition and interpretation of information and use of it to reach a well-justified conclusion. Critical thinking is considered important in the academic fields because it enables one to analyze, evaluate, explain, and restructure their thinking, thereby decreasing the risk of adopting, acting on, or thinking with, a false belief. 

Critical thinking includes identification of prejudice, bias, propaganda, self-deception, distortion, misinformation, etc. Critical thinking is used as a way of deciding whether a claim is true, partially true, or false. It is a tool by which one can reach reasoned conclusions based on a reasoned process.

THE NECESSITY OF REVIEWING TAMAL’S LIFE RECORD

The following chapters will review the available record of Tamal’s life and activities. Could he have actually been involved in the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada? The facts and evidence will paint the picture. The reader must make the judgement carefully.

Tamal’s duplicity, immense ambitions, and very checkered history will illustrate that Tamal was an enigmatic paradox: ostensibly living as a Vaishnava, but also fully capable of horrendous deeds. Those with weak stomachs, thin skins, or fear of offending Tamal’s ghost or memory might like to skip the next 16 chapters. Srila Prabhupada engaged Tamal in his service and often appeared to depend on Tamal’s service. There is no doubt Tamal rendered great service to Srila Prabhupada in his 34 years in ISKCON, which is due to Srila Prabhupada’s mercy. But Srila Prabhupada accepted the services of all those that Krishna sent to him, and he rarely refused any service, if ever.

Distasteful as it may be, it is necessary to pursue the facts and truth of Tamal’s life to:

• Understand the nature of his personal ambition,

• Appraise the value of his words, actions, and writings, such as TKG's Diary, his account of Srila Prabhupada's illness and events in 1977,

• Safeguard against misinformation which obscures the truth about the poison issue, and many other issues critical to the welfare of Srila Prabhupada’s mission,

• Uncover the rationale behind his multiple, changing interpretations of the guru and initiation systems,

• Ascertain if he had the motive to poison Srila Prabhupada, and

• Understand how Tamal has systematically over many years subordinated Srila Prabhupada’s instructions to his own ideas and goals.

It is because there is so much at stake in the restoration of Srila Prabhupada’s mission that it becomes necessary to examine Tamal’s legacy in detail. Tamal’s life was one of expert manipulation and exertion of his powerful influence on a genuine spiritual movement, and to study the Hare Krishna movement we also have to study Tamal. Later in Part Seven we will ascertain the results of our careful and thorough studies.

“I knew Tamal personally: I was always wary he might lose his temper, as I had seen him do before, once with me over not much at all, but he seemed to be dedicated to the mission and to pleasing Srila Prabhupada. The only reason to examine his dark side is because Tamal is so much responsible for today’s deviant policies and doctrines in ISKCON. So, to confront these anomalies and to try to restore the mission, sometimes one must carefully dig out the dirt so it can be recognized clearly and then disposed of properly and effectively. 

If we simply go on chanting without ferreting out the weeds that are being watered along with the chanting process, soon those weeds, which were largely planted in ISKCON by Tamal, will become prominent and overwhelm us. Sometimes the situation is critical and for the sake of the many who are being misled, a spade must be called a spade and then dealt with accordingly.” (Nityananda das, 2016)

DIVINE AND DEMONIAC NATURES ARE MIXED IN THE CONDITIONED SOULS

We live in this nasty fallen age of Kali Yuga, and it would be naïve to expect that this nastiness would not affect our spiritual family and organization, the Hare Krishna movement, or ISKCON. The institution, its participants, and everyone else in this material world are subject to the contaminations of the three modes of nature, which can lead to the worst kinds of corruptions and abominations. For spiritualists to transcend all danger of degradation depends on three things:

1) Spiritual sincerity as exhibited in our standards of sadhana, or spiritual practices.

2) Renunciation and purification of material desires and ambitions harbored in our hearts and minds.

3) Service to the acharya without offenses.

“Let people chant the Hare Krishna mantra constantly. Then their demoniac tendencies will be killed, and they will become first-class devotees, happy in this life and in the next.” SBhag 10.1.64, Purport

Everyone and everything in this material world, save and except the real pure devotee such as Srila Prabhupada, is under the influence of a combination of the divine and demoniac natures. This is explained in the Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 16. We should not be so naïve and gullible to think that all the leaders in the modern Krishna consciousness movement are totally divine and can do no wrong. This can be seen by their activities and the results. In this section we examine Tamal Krishna Goswami, his words, deeds, philosophy, life, and books -- to profile his actual character and psychology.

It may be surely said that Tamal Krishna rendered significant and valuable services to Srila Prabhupada. Accounts of his “divine” service and accomplishments are impressive. This is fully recognized. However, Tamal’s mundane or “demoniac” nature is also well-known; it is of such depth that it is shocking. Faced with this contradiction, there is no alternative but to analyze Tamal’s words, writing, and other actions to determine his involvement in the now-proven poisoning of His Divine Grace.

“Our duty is therefore to be very, very careful. The poison is personal ambition.”
--Srila Prabhupada letter from Bombay, Nov. 1, 1970.

QUOTES FROM SRILA PRABHUPADA

(1). “The specific words used in this sloka are vama-svabhava, "mild and gentle by nature." A good man or woman accepts anything very easily, but a man of average intelligence does not do so. But, anyway, we should not give up our reason and discriminatory power just to be gentle. One must have good discriminatory power to judge a thing on its merit. We should not follow the mild nature of a woman and thereby accept that which is not genuine.” (SB 1.7.42)

(2). “We have to defeat tryany in the realm of thought, and create a will for world peace.” (BTG, March 1956)

(3). “They desire to be worshiped by others, and demand respectability, although they do not command respect.” (BGita 16.4 Purport)

(4). “Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are, for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in a straightforward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. If a man is a thief and if people are warned that he is a thief, that is truth. Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it. Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others. That is the definition of truth.” (BG 10.4-5)

On a morning walk in Los Angeles, July 13, 1974, Srila Prabhupada pinpointed some activity by some devotees that he characterized as politics, diplomacy, fraud, cheating, and he mentioned their names to those on the walk. From this we understand that these things must be addressed openly, not remaining silent and going along to get along, and thus allowing them to “spoil the movement.” Of course, one must do so in consultation with other devotees, preferably senior devotees, and do so with full reference to shastra and Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. 

Individual loose cannons can cause a lot of undue damage.

[PADA: This same basic "loose cannon" type thinking is happening now with the neo-Nazi crew of Sanat, Mukunda, Prahlad (Paul Coats?) and their Dayalu Nitai HKC Jaipur allies. Their program is trying to make videos to connect Hitler, Nazi-ism, anti-semitism and so many other mundane programs to Krishna, thus they are dedicating their lives to giving Krishna a bad name intentionally. So many devotees have wrote to us to complain about these folks, but they are just like the GBC, they do not care what the devotees think. 

For example, members of Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur kept sending me links to Prahlad -- who has been advertising Mukunda and their neo-Nazi process. I kept telling the HKC folks repeatedly, we cannot connect ourselves to these mundane things, which simply encouraged them to re-send me the links! 

A "karmi" writer has recently asked me about their web sites -- which are full of pro-Hitler materials, Illuminati propaganda etc. and this writer has been asking me if these Mukunda people represent the whole religion? Me and the writer also discussed how Mukunda advertises conspiracy folks like Alex Jones, who was recently cited by the Food and Drug administration for having toxic levels of lead in his Paleo diet Chicken Bone soup. So Prahlad wants people to buy into advertising his Paleo Chicken Bone soup (with lead) program, and the Dayalu Nitai HKC Jaipur folks are advertising this man and his sites? And these guys are all upset with PADA because we will not help them advertise all this?  

How is all of this connected to Krishna? 

It isn't, they are trying to tie Krishna together with all this because they are intent on connecting Krishna's name to all their concocted foolishness, hence they are loose cannons as described above. The GBC wants to link Krishna to their foolishness, and so do these guys.

Even this writer agrees, all they are doing is intentionally giving Krishna a bad name, period. At the same time they are very proud of promoting these deviations in the name of Krishna. Prahlad for example tells me Mukunda's neo-Nazi and Chicken Bone Paleo soup program is wonderful because "its getting lots of hits." 

Fine, and the Miami Beach Bikini contest videos are also getting lots of hits, that is the criteria of truth for these people? Yep, also Paleo Chicken soup recipes gets lots of hits, so -- its wonderful? Then again this lot also attacked Nityananda dasa, apparently they are upset someone is pursuing the poison issue. 

Unfortunately all they (and the GBC) are doing is creating confusion, if not a totally rotten impression of Krishna, for people like this writer. I might be able to at least partially fix the giant mess they are creating with this author, but maybe not. Anyway, the good news is, at least a number of devotees see that these people are going the wrong way, and they write complaints about them to me regularly.] 

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PADA: Odd? Lead is also a toxic heavy metal?

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Prabhupada: Now, the Revatinandana and this man and Syamasundara is making a clique. I can understand. What they are planning, that also I know. But I don't wish to disclose it. So if these things come, then how this movement will go on? Politics, diplomacy, fraud, cheating, these are the general qualification of the western countries. 

Jayatirtha: Sitting?

Prabhupada: Politics, diplomacy, fraud, cheating. These things are the general qualification of the western people. Do you admit or not? 

Devotees: Yes.
Prabhupada: If they are, these things come within our movement, then it will not be succesful. Tat-paratvena nirmalam [CC Mad 19.170]. 

One has to become purified. Even sometimes we have to take... But that is for Krsna's. There must be now checking that all these rascals may not join and spoil the movement. You should not admit. 

Bali Mardana: Yes. 

Prabhupada: They can come and go.

COMMENTS: The devotees that Srila Prabhupada mentioned are very devoted to Srila Prabhupada, yet somehow by the influence of some maya, they were acting at that time in a negative way. Srila Prabhupada warned that the movement could be stopped from the inside, not from the outside. Therefore it is completely legitimate to examine the internal activities of devotees inside the movement to guard against deviation.

BUT THE RASCALS WILL BECOME ANGRY WITH THE TRUTH

“No, it is due to their impurity, they do not take. What you are saying, that is pure. But the difficulty is if you instruct a rascal, he becomes angry. The example is given that if you give milk and banana to the serpent, he increases his poison. Payaḥ-panaṁ bhujaṅganaṁ kevalaṁ viṣa-vardhanam. Therefore we have to select sometimes that our preaching is in the proper place. Because a snake-like person, they will not hear. But if you are a good charmer, you can charm the snake also. (laughter) 

That depends on your quality. Just like Chaitanya Mahāprabhu did. He made these snakes, the tigers, the elephants, all dancing Hare Krishna. That is possible by Chaitanya Mahāprabhu.” (Conv, Jul 8, 1975)

Speaking the truth will be met with opposition from those that are threatened by that truth. ISKCON gurus will oppose the truth that Srila Prabhupada never appointed or authorized anyone to become a diksha-giving guru. Similarly, those who are threatened by the truth that Srila Prabhupada was actually maliciously poisoned will become angry, declaring these ideas to be “blasphemy.” This is a convenient defense for them, but truth is never blasphemy. Wrong accusations are blasphemy.

[PADA: That is what these people say about everything, exposing changed books, child molesting, abuse of women, embezzling, pot smoking gurus, you name it, its all blasphemy to address these things. And that is how all of these problems were enabled and empowered. ys pd]