Conversation on ISKCON's Cancer Epidemic / Poison Issue / Etc.

Died -- from cancer. 

Anyway -- God speed to her soul.

PADA: Many devotees, both seniors and younger ones, have been getting cancer and other fatal ailments on a regular basis. My friend is a nurse and she says, ISKCON has a cancer epidemic. I have been posting cancer "fund me" cases on my blog for years now, there are many, many cases happening. My nurse friend also thinks, there is a psychological component to all these cases. She calls it "the lack of will to thrive." Anyway, we should pray for these victims. I got this report but am not sure of the details ... ys pd

May be an image of 1 person, eyeglasses and text that says 'DEAR DEVOTEES, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CHANT LORD NRSIMHA PRAYERS & HARE KRSNA MANTRA FOR OUR BELOVED MADI DASA PRABHU. YESTERDAY AUSTRALIA TIME Dear friends and family, our darling Madi AKA Joe/Johannes has been diagnosed with aggressive stage bladder cancer. He having urgent surgery tomorrow 1:30 pm Melbourne time. Please send your prayers and wishes that the cancer as not spread and he recovers quickly. Much love.'

SF DASI: I noticed the same thing - devotee community with most cancer deaths. Never seen anything like it.

WD: I feel it has a lot to do with all those chemicals in food, water and skies as well as 5G frequencies!

SF DASI: I feel it has to do first of all with bad chemicals all banned everywhere else in the world but not in India. There are chemicals in rice and other food.That includes DDT. But overall, for devotees, most of all their sickness and death is from stress.

PADA: Except the mundane people eat way more processed foods and chemicals than devotees, so they should be having an early death epidemic, not the devotees. My nurse friend specializes in end of life care, she says the materialists are out-living the devotees by wide margins. ys pd

WD: Hmm... Whose disciples are they? All Prabhupada's direct disciples or someone else?

PADA: All categories …

WD: Vaccines?

PADA: This was going on years ago, and besides everyone else has the vaccine, so nope, not a physical cause my nurse friend said … she said many years ago "lack of will to thrive" is her estimation.

MD: Oh no! When was this posted??

WD: You had me wondering hard. 

VMD: Yes especially commercial milk contains antibiotics, steroids, steroids, growth hormones, other toxins in their food and cows are given up to 12 different vaccines a year. No one seems to complain about the vaccines they get via milk. Hopefully Ahimsa milk does not contain all this dangerous carcinogenic stuff.

GM: That nurse is totally right. My first client in the field of psychotherapy was a beginning devotee who had such an avalanche of trauma, that she fell into a deep depression and got a brain tumor. After a single session (Timeline therapy) she did not come back, but many years later I found she had been doing the Timeline therapy by herself for two years. The tumor was gone.

SF DASI: So many devotees with that particular issue, tumors, cancer too. So sad but it is a fact.

GM: There is a way out. Brave enough to become one who can bring about the changes in this particular point? 

SF DASI: Devotees need more affirmative action. I have been mainly keeping and collecting "historical chronicles." My self, as a highly sensitive person - as soon as I started associating with ISKCON, naturally I suddenly became extremely sick. Starting with -- a life threatening hospital stay. I almost died. All after only few sessions with their psychological manipulation experts. Some of them -- high spirtually held positions in ISKCON. I think I 'll have PTSD for minimum next 3 lives from that association with them.

GV: I can share what will help you digest the past traumas, and acquire more spiritual strength. Just need to gather a small group of other interested devotees for a short series of online meetings.

WD: I've been enjoying your FB comments for a while now so please sign me up for your sessions.

VMD: It may be that Iskcon has a cancer epidemic but the whole world has one too. I remember way back when they said that one in five people will get cancer in their lives and it wasn’t easy to cure. Then it went down to one in three. These days its one in two but easier to cure. People who join cults often are anxious and sensitive types and may be extra prone to psycosematic illnesses. But we cannot deny the effects of our modern world on them. We live in an increasingly toxic world.

Srila Prabhupada died with all the symptoms of long term, untreated diabetes. He was diagnosed with that just weeks before in the UK. Though he knew he had it from the 60’s. I was often in his room upto 2 weeks before he passed. The Ayurvedic kavirajs were clueless and he was still drinking sweet milk. I think there is quite a lot of cover up or denial about it. No one wants to admit that the HK diet is unhealthy and that India is the world capital of Diabetes.

Many devotees prefer to think that Prabhupada was poisoned rather than think he died from a common and curable disease. Which the Kavirajs didn’t mention and wanted him to take Makhdwaj and crushed pearls. When Metformin actually works quickly. If there is to be an investigation into Prabhupada’s death, and there should be, the kavirajas should be prime suspects in any foul play. As far as I know Obesity and Diabetes are also above normal in the HK movement.

Taking all into consideration joining a cult is a very dangerous thing to do.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada's hair sample had large quantities of arsenic and cadmium. And there was a discussion about poisoning him going on in whispers according to the four audio forensic laboratories that made enhanced versions of the November tapes. And no one wants to discuss that. What the Kaviraja (Dr. Kurana) believes is, there was intentional poison. The other kaviraja found blood and bone marrow in the urine, and he too said this is heavy metal poison. The kavirajas were not able to control the situation, and they were afraid for themselves, and so were the devotees who were aware of the situation (and one of them is the person who got me copies of the November tapes). ys pd

VMD: I think most people are aware by now that Indian soil and ground water, especially in Vrndavan and Mayapura is heavily contaminated with Arsenic and Cadmium. The most recent research shows that hair samples taken from local people are massively above safe levels. As are deaths from Cancer. I’ll try to find a recent link by devotees who live in Vrndavan. 

PADA: So these people around him are discussing in whispers about poisoning him, for what good reason? ys pd

VMD: The kavirajs made no mention of Diabetes though he had all the symptoms. Weight loss, malnutrition, neuropathy, renal failure, appetite loss, morbidity, desire to die. He didn’t need to be given poison, he was about to die from diabetes. But yes he had heavy metals in his system and was still taking sugar. Poison to Diabetics. Heavy metals would be normal. The Kavirajs are guilty by ignorance. I’ve heard all the audio. It’s virtually in inaudible. Not proof at all.

PADA: The audio was enhanced by four professional audio forensic labs, and they made the transcripts. The labs work for the FBI. And the FBI in Gainesville listened to the tape and said this would be made into a felony murder case if it had happened here. The tape is very audible, they are discussing poison, poisoning gurus etc. and the whispers are just part of the overall discussion. Apart from that, no other persons have these levels of heavy metals in their system, even if they are drinking the water there. ys pd

VMD: I don’t think it’s clear audio. It could mean anything. But I’m sure the analytical equipment is better today. More research should be done. Has the GBC ever announced a verdict on Prabhupada’s death? Would they move to protect top leaders? It’s very possible.

They do do that. I do keep an open mind. It’s an awful thing to remain hanging over the movement. Along with other atrocities. One might be forgiven for thinking it’s a big mistake to be involved with the Hare Krishna movement if so much evil has gone on.

PADA: Yes, the Cadmium was found in a retest with more recent equipment. Voice prints using better equipment are being made now to identify the exact persons making the whispers etc. Of course, I already know "who is who" myself to some extent. 

Well yes, Jesus was crucified, and his supposed followers made the very corrupt various medieval Pope dynasties and so many wars no one could count. Even current wars are often based on so-called religion grounds. So we could say worship of Jesus is a mistake. But that is really what happens anytime, even when Krishna is here personally, there are immediately attacks on Him and all sorts of evil comes out of the woodwork and huge wars and other atrocities are made. Just because Jesus was crucified, and there has been tons of corruption in what is alleged to be his church does not nullify him or his religion. We cannot toss out the baby with the bath water. If we say religion is bad, or God is bad, because bad people hi-jacked His religion, that is our mistake. It is up to us to make sure that His religion is not hi-jacked and corrupted, that is a test for His actual followers. ys pd

VMD: I don’t disagree. Maybe they think an investigation is not in their interest. The truth can dangerous for career devotees. There are many YouTube videos on the subject of Arsenic and Cadmium in Indian soil and water. Residents of Mayapura and Vrndavan have massively high levels. A devotee in Vrndavan recently made a post about it. I can’t find it. Here is another. I think that so much heavy metal in Indian soil discounts that evidence. So the Audio is left. It should be put up again so all can have a listen.

https://youtu.be/3LjGBw2Gevc

50 million affected by Arsenic Poisoning in West Bengal

PADA: Fine, but does not explain why they are discussing poisoning him. Nor does it explain why his levels were off the charts of the regular found levels. Nor does it explain why other people in the area do not these high of levels of Cadmium. Nor does it explain why the tape was hidden in the first place. Nor does it explain why Tamal made another tape saying to Satsvarupa "Srila Prahbupada wanted us to give him something to make him disappear," and that tape is crystal clear, and so on and so on. Some arsenic is found there, true, but not at these levels found in his hair sample. Nor is cadmium found in the levels he had, etc. The GBC made a counter explanation, but their audio expert was a guy whose rock and roll recording studio went bankrupt, and their medical expert was not certified etc. ys pd

VMD: Actually I did observe that Prabhupada was frequently speaking about dying. He seemed to have a wish to die. He didn’t mind it happening. But his staff were constantly begging him to eat so that he would stay. He wasn’t very cooperative. Morbidity is a symptom of diabetes. He wanted to go on parikram but in his very frail state it might have killed him. Instead of giving him poison they could just have encouraged him to go.

Yes residents of certain areas like Vrndavan and Mayapura have way of the scale levels of Arsenic and cadmium in their bodies. It builds up in the body and never goes away. It’s not overnight. Prabhupada lived most of his life in these places. But apart from that it’s certain that he had long term untreated Diabetes as diagnosed a few weeks before in a Watford hospital and he died with the symptoms. In ‘69 he implied to Gargamuni that it caused his stroke and heart attack on the Jaladuta. Another independent audio analyst should listen to tapes.

Please post what you have so far if it’s convenient.

PADA: I was the first person to get the November 1977 tapes transcribed, no one else had copies up to then. When I played the tape to the first transcriber, a Los Angeles professional Bengali writer, he only listened for 30 seconds, stopped the tape, and said -- this man was killed with poison. I played the tape to some Brijabais, they started crying on the spot, saying -- he was poisoned. 

The FBI said -- this is a homicide. None of these people are talking about diabetes? And the people now working on voice prints of the speakers are also not mentioning diabetes? Diabetes is one issue, talking about poisoning people is another. One of the devotees investigating the poison issue was given "special prasadam" and the next day he was passing blood, there was broken glass in the food they gave him, and he had to get help from the hospital. He was not suffering from diabetes? ys pd

VMD: It’s well documented that in September ‘77 Prabhupada visited the Peace Hospital in Watford for a procedure. While there he was was tested for Diabetes. The doctor diagnosed, long term, untreated diabetes. He was even interviewed about his meeting with Prabhupada a few years ago. It’s on Vani or somewhere.

These people you spoke to may be unqualified. Making a judgment after 30 seconds is dodgy. Having Arsenic, Cadmium and sugar is poison too but Diabetes is certain.

My point is that the Ayurvedic doctors failed because they didn’t mention or treat Prabhupada for Diabetes. Metformin is the most successful treatment.

PADA: Ok so the Bengali writer, the Brijabasis, the audio labs, the hair sample labs, the FBI and others think the November tapes and other evidences indicate a crime, and the devotees think the November tapes indicate a diabetes problem? And the Dallas courts think there is a huge molesting program going on, and meanwhile the devotees as a group are shouting insults at me for creating a big lawsuit? 

And the West Virginia Sherrif's office is consulting me before raiding New Vrndavana, and the devotees at the time are writing that this is the best spiritual community in the world. That is the pattern all the time? The people I am talking to are way more qualified than the devotees generally, yes as a matter of fact, that is correct. 

And right now I am working with another group that is making another professional historical account (that will eventually be made public) and they tell me the same thing, the devotees as a group do not agree with me, but they do agree with me. The FBI does not make judgements in 30 seconds, neither do the Dallas courts, neither do the many professional historians that I have helped with books, TV shows, news articles etc. and I am still helping now with a very detailed account of the history. They do their homework, and it is the devotees as a group who do things in 30 seconds, not them. ys pd

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PADA: First of all I never said there was no diabetes. I said that the Bengali writer who did the original transcript, the Brijabasis who were crying on hearing the tape, the Gainesville FBI who said the tape and hair sample and prove a homicide, the four professional audio forensic labs, the hair samples lab, and others, never mentioned diabetes. 

When Tamal says Srila Prabhupada said he wanted us to give him something to make him disappear, that does not sound like a diabetes issue either, except yes, Srila Prabhupada did complain, the milk is too sweet. I could mention diabetes, but it is not the primary issue at hand. Srila Prabhupada says he is being given poison, everyone in the room agrees he says he is being given poison, and they are discussing murders and poisoning of previous gurus and so on. 

The conversation was hidden and I had to go through a lot of hoops and hurdles to get it, it was being kept a secret. Why? And apart from that, on November 3, Srila Prabhupada says “my only request is, that at the last stage, don’t torture me, and put me to death.” Why was such a statement made? 

And then he said, get me out of this room, Ravana will kill me if I stay here. One gurukuli was saying he saw Bhavananda spreading white powder on Srila Prabhupada's food, and Bhavananda told that student it was special spiritual dust. Later some GBC people were looking for that gurukuli and he was getting threats. Fortunately, his dad told the GBC they would be prosecuted severely if anything happened to his kid. In other words, diabetes is not the main thing being discussed here. 

We need to keep with the main statements and documented evidence. Srila Prabhupada's chart said he would live a long time, if he could survive the next six months, but beware of juniors and subordinates. That is why he later on said "jyoti jnana," my chart knows what is happening ... problems from juniors and subordinates is not diabetes. ys pd  

Hitler-anugas Update (Mukunda UK)

 http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/12/srila-prabhupada-defeats-hitler-anugas.html

PADA: Thanks CJ for your question about the "Hitler promoting" web site of Mukunda UK (Mark Whiteley). In our opinion he and his allies are "sharing in the karma" of giving Krishna a bad name by linking Krishna to Hitler and various other highly unpopular "race baiting" agendas etc. Meanwhile! Hitler is never -- ever -- going to become popular. And it is just making the Krishna religion look silly, or dangerous.

Did we forget to mention that probably most of the people Mukunda promotes and advertises are people who eat meat -- if not hamburgers and etc.? For example he just now advertised a site (probably run by meat eaters) quoting a bunch of (probably meat eating) doctors. Mukunda was also advertising some guy who says we need to train ourselves for the apocalypse by shooting rabbits. Really?  

Anyway, according to Mukunda we share the karma of those we promote, and he is promoting all these meat eating / cow killer / Illuminati / white supremacist / meat eating apologist / rabbit shooting / speculating folks and their sites and ideas -- all the time. 

Why is Mukunda always advertising these cow chopping and chomping people -- as people we need to listen to -- even for the devotees? Unfortunately there are also other devotees sending me links to similar "karmi" web sites, which are at best speculation. And which are at worst, creating unrequired paranoid delusions, or even -- covering by smoke screen the meat eating process and its inherent evil results. 

When this all started we told Mukunda's boot lickers like Naranarayan das / Janardan / Sanat / Prahlad das (Paul Coats UK) / HKC Jaipur folks -- who were all cramming forward and promoting Mukunda's sites at the time -- that this whole Illuminati / Zionist bankers etc. program is going to create a bad impression of the Krishna religion. And Prahlad das told me -- so what, he loves Mukunda's anti-Zionism agenda because "it gets lots of hits on youtube." Umm, and so do bikini contest videos? 

And now Mukunda is discussing the importance of crop circles, which are often made by college students copying geometric designs, but he evidently thinks they are being made by aliens. In any case, just because his sites "get lots of hits" this is not something Prahlad das / HKC Jaipur ilk should be bragging about, it looks nutty and it is. However, if we look more closely at what Srila Prabhupada actually says, it does not favor these Hitler-anuga-ites. 

Srila Prabhupada: April 20 1956 BTG

The soul-killing civilization is progressively taking to the dangerous type of work by invention of huge mechanical means. The illusory energy is creating this atmosphere for blind materialism and on the other hand she is arranging for their destruction also. Such opposite methods are called illusory energy. The human energy is thus misused for breaking the same thing which is produced by the same energy. 

It is something like blazing the fire and extinguish it by pouring water simultaneously - a sign of insanity or spoiling the valuable human energy meant for spiritual culture. History has been repeated so many times and many, many leaders of materialism like Napoleon, Hitler and others now remain in name only without any sign of the material progress planned by them. 

[PADA: Yep, after WWII Communism spread to much of Eastern Europe, including half of Germany, and all over China etc. Communism got WAY worse and not better. Oddly, Mukunda thinks that this process of spreading atheism and communism to millions and millions of more people -- made things -- better? What! The result of their work remains in name only without any tangible relief. Yep!]

De-Stalinisation has already begun in Russia. Nobody is enjoying the result of civilization created by atheists like Ravana, Kansa, Aurangzeb, Napoleon or Hitler. Everything is in oblivion and this teaches us the lesson that the materialistic plans of the present age will also meet with the same fate after a lapse of 50 years Therefore blind materialism does not bring in any permanent relief in the world.

[PADA: OK while Mukunda and his pals try to paint Hitler as some sort of "doer of God's work" -- we find that Srila Prabhupada calls him a blind materialistic atheist. Their whole idea leads to oblivion. OK guess what, leading others to blind atheistic oblivion is not doing God's work. Moreover, why are they promoting blind materialistic atheists, leading us to oblivion, as a solution to the problem? They are the problem. I hope this clears up the issue! ys pd]

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Russian / Ukraine Devotees Meltdown (Update)

 

(Russia News): Ukrainian ISKCON leaders fled the temple during the first days of the war. Radha-Madhava and Gaura-Nitai are buried in the ground. This is primarily about Kyiv. Acyutapriya and other senior devotees fled Kyiv in the early days of the war. Large Deities were buried in the temple courtyard in a metal box. In general, Ukrainian devotees condemned their actions and called them cowards. The GBC will have to change local leaders or they will lose control of Ukraine, if they have not lost control already.

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The position of a Vaisnava, according to Bhakti Vijnana, is to support Ukraine, while Caitanya Candra Caran supposedly advised to be neutral and tolerate.

In short, Bhakti Vijnana (one of the Russian GBC gurus) said the following:

Vaisnavas should not take sides in political disputes, but this does not mean that they should remain neutral in matters of morality: dharma and adharma. He quoted the first canto of the Srimad-Bhagavatam, about the bull of dharma, his attitude to the situation. But Maharaja Parikshit did otherwise, as befits a ksatriya.

In general, people perceived his position as pro-Ukrainian, go fight for dharma, because he made it sound like remaining neutral is not a good option. 

After that, fighting began in the video's comments - Russian devotees against Ukrainian ones. The Ukrainians wrote that Russia is the aggressor, so it needs to be destroyed, while the Russians wrote about the attacks for 8 years in Donbass and so on. 

Then there were comments that were trying to make everything diplomatic, to please everyone. The Ukrainians were not happy with that move, and wanted clarity. The Russians wrote that everything is clear and so, each devotee should be clear in his personal choice, but this did not suit the Ukrainians. They wanted more direct confirmation of their understanding of events from their guru. 

But you can’t ask the guru like that! The Russians admonished and reproached them. Then, no one was able to clearly explain where is dharma and where is adharma. This caused a split among the Russian - speaking devotees of ISKCON. It is quite a large split, so it is not clear how they will hold festivals together in future. There will be conflicts, skirmishes, arguments, fights and so on. They will not be able to listen to lectures together, do harinama etc., because there is now a big rift of contradiction statements from these ISKCON leaders. 

Bhakti Vijnana's sincerity was undermined yet again, apparently he just wants to please the masses with a so-called neutral position, while also saying we should fight for dharma. More and more people understand this as an agreement to have devotees fight for Ukraine, and fight for supposed dharma, and are therefore upset.

Two months have already passed since the beginning of the "special operation" in Ukraine, and Bhakti Vijnana has not decided whose side he is on. At least, this may be how he looks outwardly, publicly, but when Ukrainian disciples ask Maharaja personally what to do if a devotee is drafted into the army, he replies that one must do one's duty, and for this reason, some of his disciples are already fighting on the side of Ukraine against Russia. Several of them have already died in battle, and some are engaged in the battle right now.

Then! The comments under their video reached 1,500, but were suddenly blocked and commenting posters were banned. In another video about responsibility, he did not specifically say anything about Ukraine, but made it clear that he could not get rid of his disciples who unleashed their Internet war. 

Then, they just went crazy, filled with aggression towards the Russian devotees. In essence, Bhakti Vijnana stated: "I have said what needed to be said, those who do not understand this and refuse to follow my advice are left to themselves." Meanwhile he has not said clearly what he advises, and the comments have been removed.

ISKCON GBC has now showed their vision of the spiritual world, where everyone is ready to kill each other, because one is Russian, and the other is Ukrainian, the third is Hindu, and the fourth is American or Jewish. Just imagine that suddenly all these people get into the spiritual world, which their leaders "guaranteed" to them, with their current consciousness, they simply kill each other in Vaikuntha. This means that no one will let them in there until they give up their false ego.

Caitanya Candra Caran (another of the Russian GBC gurus) spoke about karma, that it is impossible to find the true cause of any suffering and that we should just endure. He was against the performance of military duty, that we can refuse it, which contradicts the instructions of Bhakti Vijnana. He advised people to raise their consciousness, to perceive everything as the plan of the Lord and to do their work with a sense of duty and detachment. 

In other words, it is not looking good for the future unity of the Russian and Ukrainian devotees, or for ISKCON, in this region. And blocking people's comments has only made more of them angry, feeling betrayed ... and feeling that they are being ignored and marginalized, at a time they should be given clear instruction during the crisis. 

It really shows how shallow and thoughtless these leaders are. First of all, the GBC should have held a meeting long ago -- to decide what policy is going to be the unified response to the crisis, but they do not respond to any crisis properly all along. This is more evidence that ISKCON is currently in a free fall ... melt down status, with more and more parts spinning off to separate from the core. 

They already lost so many people to Sridhara, Narayana, BV Puri, Babajis, Hindus etc., so this will take more people away from their society. And they have no one to look to but themselves. 

Meanwhile the Russia House devotees have been arrested in India and it looks like even Gopal Krishna cannot get them out. So all of this exploiting of all these devotees in Russia and Ukraine is starting to come apart. They have misrepresented Krishna's message, and this is the result. 

[PADA: Some devotees wrote to chastise me for "taking the side of Ukraine." I am not on anyone's side, but I do believe that targeting civilians is wrong and is against Vedic principles. ys pd] 

Swagatham Krishna / Bhajan / VIDEO

 

Expose of Swami Vishwananda's "Bhakti Marga"

 The ‘Just Love’ cult that has no clue what love is — Vishwananda, Bhakti Marga and his spiritual crime (of making people believe he is God) | by Rainbows are better | Medium

[PADA: We posted some articles on this fellow previously, which some of his ex-followers sent me and they wanted me to post. It looks like the opposition is getting more organized. We cannot verify these statements, but generally where there is smoke there is a fire. 

Oh no! It looks like a carbon copy of a lot of the problems going on in ISKCON. Very refined cheaters, using a lot of clever tricks to stay in power. Unfortunate, this is a quality of Kali Yuga, religion becomes irreligion. Very sad state of affairs. 

The good news is, more and more people are aware of the cheating and they are being freed from these false prophets. The bad news is, many times the victims are children or very young people who have no means of defense from the regime. They are stuck there. And all of this gives Krishna, dharma, and religion in general, a black eye in the public view. 

Anyway, looks like another chapter in Yamaraja's book of false gurus, who will all have to answer to him at some stage or other. Just doing a weeding operation in my yard, finding all sorts of ants, spiders, lady bugs, worms, grubs, teeny tiny red critters, pincher bugs etc., ok these beings were at one time humans who messed up their spiritual progress, now they are here in the yard. There are warning signs everywhere about the result of not following Krishna properly, but fools rush in where angels fear to tread. True dat! ys pd]    

Help Fix His Smile (Fundme) Sridham Dasa

PADA: A lot of people keep telling me to "move on from the past." Good idea. Except that a lot of what is happening now in ISKCON is built on the foundation of its past. People are being forensically connected by the FBI to crimes that took place 35 years ago and they are being arrested now. Just because crimes took place in the past, does not mean they are not affecting things now.

Sorry, the past is what has made the present and will shape the future. One thing that people seem to fail to recognize is that abuses from ISKCON can afflict a person's entire life, and there is no easy way for them to "move on from the past." Cannot help but notice how the big leaders are often living in nice opulent facility, while their victims sometimes cannot even get their teeth fixed etc. 

And the question we keep getting all the time -- and from all quarters, includes professional writers, scholars, media people, students writing college papers etc. -- why was almost no one ever arrested and charged with all these crimes? 

Worse. It seems like a society that allowed all this to go on, and on, and on, and now rewards the leaders of that process with giant big seats and many servants, and million dollar health care, while their victims have -- no teeth? Why is that? If anyone has a good answer, let me know. ys pd 

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A LIFETIME RESULT

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PADA: It also looks like the leaders of the illicit sex / child beater's messiah's program are getting their own doses of karma. This is a program that apparently has a history of beating the stuffing out of children -- and a track record of starving, beating and molesting children. They are evidently reaping their own karma, albeit gradually. And this is only the start of their bad karma ride. Wait till they get to the planet of the pedophile messiah lovers club members ... we might forget the past, but karma never does. Their karma is coming for them ... ys pd   

Founder Father of the illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's project, that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills vaishnavas. And that is why Bhakti vikas swami worships this person as his sannyasa guru. As Sulochana says, "Birds of a feather flop together." 

India Hit With Power Blackouts

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/energy/power/eight-hour-blackouts-hit-india-after-hottest-march-since-1901/

[PADA: Wow. My friends in India said it is already scorching hot and it is not even the hottest time of year. India relies mainly on coal fired power plants, and there has been a shortage of coal. At the same time, the coal burning makes a lot of smoke and smog, which is not desired especially when it is hot, the smog just hangs in the air. 

Overall, the big plan to move in a lot of new industrial manufacturing plants to India does not seem feasible -- when there evidently won't be enough power to run these factories. It looks like India will be hobbled by their power supply problem for the near future. Devotees are already not looking forward to the heat season, as the power just gets cut off over there -- willy nilly -- without any warning. OK no air conditioning, not even a fan. Alternate power sources are possible, but will take a lot of time to develop. 

In sum, it looks like India will not suddenly overtake China by moving the manufacturing process to there, as has been the supposed "India government plan" for the future. It is just not up to the job infrastructure-wise. Of course, that is the problem all over the world with big manufacturing programs, it is very energy intensive and big power plants are needed to keep things running full tilt, to keep these operations going. All of which is polluting the planet more, which makes the climate even worse, and so on. 

In sum, making India the next big manufacturing base for the world, is just not going to happen on any big scale. At the same time, because of severe changes to the weather, water shortages, and over-dependence on artificial fertilizers, India's rural sector is in trouble as well. So trying to build on that program is also hobbled in different ways. In other words, it looks like Krishna is clamping down on India for its abandoning Vedic principles and chasing the Western lifestyle. 

I feel bad for my devotee friends over there, it looks like they are in for a rough time this summer. And India overall is in for a rough time. Krishna is not pleased, that is the sum and substance of all this. 

Srila Prabhupada said harinama samkirtana would help bring back rain and helpful weather. Yet that was the first thing the GBC did, they kicked out almost all the samkirtana devotees and made the common people ask "what ever happened to the Hare Krishnas (and their kirtan)". As one devotee just said, they made the harinama samkirtana movement nearly disappear, in the name of expanding the harinama samkirtana movement. ys pd  

What Happened to ISKCON's Householder Managers? (by ND)

ND: Srila Prabhupada’s idea for the GBC as told originally to Syamasundar Das (who was his personal servant and sometimes privileged confidant) was at that time and forever more, that the world would be divided into 12 zones and each of these zones would be managed by HOUSEHOLDERS or devotees with BUSINESS EXPERIENCE. So he wanted the householders, and / or qualified managers, businessmen to run his society and manage all the business affairs and the SANNYASIS should be FREE from managing responsibilities and ROAM from ZONE to ZONE, wherever their feet would take them and PREACH. PERIOD. 

Now those two functions have gotten intermixed and DILUTED. Shyamasundar knows Srila Prabhupada’s original intent because Srila Prabhupada told him His idea first, and it was NOT to change- that was it. And He even sent a letter out to the 12 GBC men and said, “This shall be a democracy, and if there are matters that affect the whole society, you should all vote and the unanimous vote will hold. And if there’s a deadlock, I will throw the remaining vote. But only if it’s an egregious error." It’s in the Vedabase, the original letter. 

SO.. why is this not followed? Is it because the big sannyasis think that only they are qualified to manage the society? Imagine a society run by qualified managers who are family men and women. Do you think they would mismanage the child abuse issue as badly as the current GBC do? 

Imagine a society where ALL the sannyasis actually go from temple to temple and inspire with their actions rather than cheap words. I could go on and on about how many of the current sannyasi gurus are living plush lives and act like it's normal while they wrap themselves with Srila Prabhupada's image to lend legitimacy to their positions. That's not normal, it's sickening. They're not supposed to live like Ksatriyas or the administrator class. 

They're supposed to be Brahmanas, the teacher class, bringing out the light of sastra through their ACTIONS and words. How are we 2nd and 3rd and 4th generations supposed to fulfill Srila Prabhupada's vision when His own senior disciples aren't investing the time, energy, actions and words in training the successive generations on the right way of conducting affairs when they don't even have the decency to follow their own spiritual master's instructions. 

I sense that us 2nd generation devotees will have to wait until they die off one by one before we can effect badly needed changes. There needs to be a Maximus that gives Rome back to its people and isn't interested in becoming emperor. Long live Srila Prabhupada!

[PADA: Yep, I keep hearing that. The criminal usurper GBCs will never give up their stolen booty, that means, they have to die to have the stolen property wrenched out of their dead fingers. Why do people keep saying that? 

And this is correct, if householders and especially mothers were involved with the schools, all this molesting would not have happened. And that is why Bhakti Vikas swami keeps saying the women need to shut up, and we need to listen to his pedophile messiah's club leaders like Basu ghosh, so he can keep his pedophile messiah's project afloat. Well, they just have to all die evidently, they cannot be corrected. Agreed. The good news is, every day another person realizes what has been going on here ... ys pd]

April 2022

"Dear Sivarama swami,

Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I am writing to you today about the very important topic of protecting Vaishnava children in our ISKCON society.

Your disciple Gaurangi (Pia) said that in 2009 you were supportive to her and her husband when they found out their daughter was molested. You told them to be brave because this is going to be heavy. You told them that when their daughter is older they will want to be able to tell her they did everything they could to make it right.

I appreciate that you did this. We have child protection policies in ISKCON and they should be followed.

I was surprised then to learn just two years after encouraging your disciple to seek accountability for the man who sexually abused her daughter, that you wrote a letter of support for another child molester, Lokanath.
Lokanath had promised the GBC members in 2010 that he would step down as a guru, after his victim made public compelling statements, including:

“I hated him when I had to see him in public. And to see that this was his punishment? Being given articles to write in BTG, being given accolades as a guru, getting all the priveledges of a sannyasi-- this was what his punishment was??” https://lokanath.net/satyas-statements-july-2010

The next year, at the 2011 GBC Meeting, Lokanath made a presentation telling the GBC members that he changed his mind about stepping down as guru, and asked if he could remain a guru, despite sexually abusing a child. As part of Lokanath’s presentation, letters of support were read for him, including one from you. https://lokanath.net/appendix-g-gbc-meeting-minutes...

ISKCON leaders reviewed Lokanath’s child molestation case and consulted with outside counsel Attorney Justin Starr, who said, "In your shoes, our primary concern would be the fact that this situation increases the future risk of liability if ISKCON does not handle it properly." https://lokanath.net/appendix-x-letter-from-attorney...

My question is - will you be brave now, and ask the GBC to follow their child protection policies for Lokanath? As you said, this will get heavy, but you must be brave so you can tell your disciples that you did everything you could to make it right, for the safety of children in ISKCON.
Thank you.
Your servant,
S dasi"

Prayers for Madi Brinkman (Prithu's Son)

https://madidas.bandcamp.com/track/hey-gopinath?

[PADA: Recently PADA has been talking to more and more writer / historian type folks who are always asking me, what they heck happened to ISKCON? Same question all the time! And yup, more professional "historical accounts" are in the works. 

Did I forget to mention, Lord Yamaraja has a detailed accounting of this already in hand. And the people who already left (or who are leaving soon) OK such as: Hansadutta, Bhakti Caru swami, Gaura Govinda Maharaja, Bhakti Tirtha swami, Tamal Krishna swami, Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja et al. have already found themselves having to explain their support for their pedophile messiahs club cult to Yamaraja, with no success. 

Lord Yamaraja is not interested in any of their foolish BS and bogus excuses that they try to foist off to him over on his planet. Pedophile messiah's club members have to go to the darkest depths of the lowest and most obnoxious regions in the universe. Full stop.   

Yep, even ordinary historians and writers find it amazing that such a "peace and love" religion could become such a toxic brew of: scandalous illicit sex and drugs gurus, crimes, child molesting, murders and so on. Just hard for almost anyone to comprehend how it all came to this state, and so quickly. 

We also went over the poison issue with some folks recently -- and the overall smash and grab takeover of the assets by a few elite leaders, so they could hi-jack ISKCON and make their personal pedophile's guru cult out of the ISKCON society.

I have also discussed with some of these historians -- how this has impacted the citizens -- and was talking with some of them recently about the apparent "cancer epidemic" among ISKCON's citizenry. Yep, makes a lot of sense. People who were joining -- what they thought was -- a peace and love religion -- would have a major shock to their system -- to find out they have been part of a bogus and criminal cult. That might harm their mental or even physical health.

And many of the children of ISKCON were just thrust into the situation by dint of being born in the scene of the crime / arena of all these smash and grab criminals. They really did not have much of a say in these goings on, they just had to deal with the mess they were handed.   

And thus -- many of the ex-children ended up rejecting the religion, if not being enemies of the religion. Around here most of them boycott the society wholesale, and some of them eat meat etc. as a sort of protest against their "spiritual upbringing." OK something really went badly off for them. And a number of them therefore had problems with drug use, loose sexual activity, partying, and no small amount of -- trauma, PTSD, despair, dejection and depression. And considering how the children were treated as a group, these results are quite understandable. 

A few of them have tried to make some sort of alignment / alliance with the regime, but it seems it is always an uneasy alliance. It is hard for any of these second generation / ex-children type people to just ignore all the troubles they and / or their peers endured under the regime's jack boots. 

Madi Brinkman helped make a video called "Burnt Laddus," about the abused children. Interesting title because, a burnt laddu cannot ever be recovered really. It always has the same smokey burnt taste to it no matter what. I was myself multi-tasking in the kitchen once -- and forgot to stir the sweet rice, yep burnt to a crisp on the bottom. Whole thing was burnt beyond repair and ruined. Could not recover from that. Burnt items are very hard to recover in any situation. 

In other words, the abuse and molesting has had a long time / long term effect on many of the ex-youth, and a burnt laddu is somewhat of an interesting parallel example. Now some of these burnt laddus committed suicide, and many of them have other symptoms of traumatic stress. OK one of the symptoms of traumatic stress is -- people can get ill. Maybe very ill. Maybe develop-- cancer? 

We believe, yes, an illness CAN result and CAN BE be one of the manifestations of all this trauma, and in fact fatal illness -- is a recurring manifestation among various ISKCON youth and elders alike. Now Madi's mom Rambhouru is making some sort of therapy group for these victims. Fine. 

But to get to the root of this or any other trauma, it needs to be understood threadbare. That means we need to have people understand what happened, how it happened, and who made it happen. It seems Rambhoru's process is incomplete. In fact, it would seem Madi has not fully grasped all this himself. And it would thus seem these insufficient "therapy" cures for the trauma are not fully releasing it, causing many side effect problems for the victims to continue -- including fatal ailments. 

We need to look at this threadbare: 

Did the GBC as a group coerce and force children to worship pedophiles and deviants as their gurus? Yes.

Did the GBC as a group siphon off money meant to go to care for the children, leaving a number of these children sometimes with no basic supplies such as medicine, soap, blankets and food? Yes.   

Did the GBC as a group empower child abusers, molesters and even child beaters to be in charge of various children. Yes.

Has the GBC as a group ever removed any of the people in charge of the molester messiahs' project like Jayapataka, Lokanath swami et al.? Nope! 

OK these are just a few samples of the type of issues that need to be raised and resolved, and they just aren't in most cases. Therefore, the trauma continues, and the fatal ailments continue, or sometimes the fatal suicides happen from time to time. Worse, the Rambhouru program is still promoting not only the founder fathers of the pedophile pooja program like Jayapataka et al., -- their program even promotes known child molesters as gurus now. 

See what we mean here:

Alachua Florida's Pedophile Messiah Lover's Club of Mukhya DD. "We want all our children to have a nice child molester's messiah's club guru program." And then we wonder, why some of them -- get cancer? 

Therefore, in the opinion of PADA, a full house cleaning is required to address all this and remove the traumas from folks, by letting them see where the trauma has been coming from, and thus how to flush it out. If they never understood the source of the trauma, then they cannot remove it. 

Anyway I wish Madi well and hope for the best. He is a victim in our opinion, and he deserves help to get free of all this baggage which, evidently, is weighing down on him in different ways, and weighing down numbers of others who are also getting cancer and other similar fatal ailments -- happening all too often -- in this society. ys pd

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PADA: Yep prabhu. The problem in ISKCON has been -- too many folks were too busy "doing service" to notice that the citizens in their society, including the society's children, were in trouble. Hundreds of times people told me "chant your rounds, Krishna will sort all this out." 

OK so we are chanting our rounds asking Krishna to engage us in His service, and when the service is -- to advocate for the society's abused children, we should avoid that service? And when their idea of "avoiding the controversy" process is compounded into thousands of acquiescing people, who are often too busy making flower garlands for the leaders (the people orchestrating all the troubles) then what happens? 

So now we have a few people ringing the village fire alarm, and they are supposedly over compensating. Well fine, but they had to over compensate because most of the other villagers were sitting around watching the fire burn down most of the rest of the village. 

So this is why I really personally don't care too much about my critics, or critics of others who are promoting child protection. Unless everyone is on the same page, i.e. we cannot have our children worshiping predators and deviants, we cannot have our children being abused and mistreated -- and we cannot then glorify the people orchestrating that odious process as gurus, then -- there is not much use trying to build much of anything else from there. 

Everyone has to agree to point "a" ... then move on to point "b" later on. The temples are mostly empty for a reason. The "real point" has been missed, and in many cases, it still is. What I said in the beginning is becoming true, "we become what we worship." If we worship predators and abusers, we will have a society that is infused with, sympathizes with, apologizes for, and enables abusers, and a society that still gives abusers -- or their enablers -- high posts of authority. Unless that fire is put out, the village will continue to burn. ys pd

Rama Leela Musical VIDEO

Sridhara Maharaja's "Actual Successor" Imbroglio Update

Wow! These Sridhara Maharaja clowns have been fighting over "the bricks and stones" since 1936. Sheesh, pretty soon it will be 2036, and they will still be at it? 

Don't they know the basic points of Vaishnava siddhanta, i.e. the bricks and stones get to stay here on planet earth for another few more billions of years, but these guys have to leave it all behind anyway, and pretty soon because ALL of our bodies are very, very, very temporary here? 

Why are these guys fighting over a few bricks and stones anyway, and all along since 1936? Aren't there more important things that need to be done in this world. Where are the other leaders of the Sridhara movement like Pancadravida, Tripurari, Nemi maharaja and others? Why don't they settle all this among the leaders and stop all this public infighting?   

Gaura Govinda Maharaja people also told me -- GGM has to cooperate with the GBC "or else he will not have a building." And then what happens when we die, and we have to explain to Yamaraja why we were fighting over bricks and stones? What good is that for us or for human society? ys pd

Festival Of colors (Caru Dasa Utah)

 Holi - (festivalofcolorsusa.com)

PADA: OK here we go. Not really what Srila Prabhupada would approve. At all! But hey, it brings in the money. ISKCON has really been more and more going full tilt "new age Yoga" "motivational speakers" "gay weddings" "Hindu car blessings" etc. -- commercial enterprise these days. Everyone sees it. 

Except the leaders? Of course some argue, at least Caru has some program, which is better than no program, maybe so. But it is -- compromised with Bollywood-ism and commercial-ism. 

All you need is love, hee hee. Fine. Sign me up. Except the Prabhupadanugas in much of formal ISKCON are banned, if not sometimes beaten, sued and killed. Not sure where the love is for them? And when some poor woman protests the ISKCON India ICC's child molester guru worship process, she gets death threats. 

We signed up for the love, but it did not manifest? Love is all we need, so what happened to it? This poster is something Srila Prabhupada would not like, I know it, they know, we all know it. They evidently just don't care anymore what he likes or doesn't. ys pd 

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Caru is another person who is taking sins like Jesus as a GBC diksha guru:

Bhakti is not cheap:

A Few Russia / Ukraine News Bites 04/19/22

Good idea. But the devotees have to develop peace 

among themselves, before they can teach others.

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Ukraine War Divides the Church: 

Ukraine War Divides Orthodox Faithful (yahoo.com)

PADA: Yep, Srila Prabhupada says, both sides are praying for God to save their side's soldiers. God is perplexed?

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New Charges for "Russia House" devotees in India.

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Taking money from Ukraine devotees offering safe passage, and then fleeing with their money.

 

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One Indian lady who is my Tik Tok friend made a video explaining that when the shelling started, she hid in her bathroom. That is what saved her, her whole apartment had been blown up and there was sharp metal shrapnel from the explosion that cut through her refrigerator, and would have "chopped me to pieces" if she had been out there. 

She was able to make it to Poland later, carrying a plastic bag with a few salvaged clothes, that was all she had left. She said "I am glad that my refrigerator was designated as a military target, at least we know who the real enemy is." She still has some humor after all that! Clearly, Russians are killing anyone who happens to be in Ukraine, without discrimination. 

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Sheer hypocrisy and stupidity.

I don’t know who Caitanya Candrodaya is, whose disciple he is, but definitely not Prabhupada's disciple and he behaves exactly like a deceitful politician who uses Prabhupada, Krsna and sastra for his own selfish purposes, also hiding behind imaginary patriotism, love for the motherland and worries for Ukraine but he doesn't really care about it.

His publication is called that many do not understand what is happening in Ukraine, and gives his own illusory interpretation of events, but in reality everything is as follows.

Ukraine, its inhabitants and government, since August 24, 1991, have committed all sorts of sins in huge numbers and are now reaping the fruits of these sins. And instead of letting material nature deal with the demons by the means by which it does this, including fighting and killing, Ukrainian devotees take one side and goes against material nature, that is, Krishna, because this is His energy. They howl against the will of Krishna, against His laws, trying to stop the inevitable. That is, the devotees behave like demons or help the demons.

[PADA: Everyone involved has their specific karma. A captured Russian soldier said he was picking up the dismembered hands, arms, legs, and heads of his slaughtered colleagues -- and he was trying to put them back together for some sort of burial arrangement. Of course many were burned or blown up beyond recognition. So this is also what happens in a slaughterhouse, chopping up, burning etc. and both parties will be subject to the same rules. 

Neither side can avoid the laws of nature, that is true. Should a devotee take arms in this conflict? Well probably not, but if someone is conscripted to go there, he might not have a lot of good choices. Again, very complex karma is involved here, and it is not easy to disassemble readily.  

As Srila Prabhupada says, the demons will kill each other. And now Russian people are losing their jobs, their money, their economy, and they are becoming hated just for being born there. And because of the sanctions there are shortages, and so forth. So, the karma will spread around in different ways, and the individual devotees have very little impact on altering that process. 

Yes, this is karma, but it is karma for both sides, both are sinful, and now Krishna has arranged a buzz saw to take a lot of them out. Unfortunately, various Krishna devotees are in the middle of all this, but that too is -- their previous karma catching up. We do not instantly remove all our karma just by attempting to surrender to Krishna.] 

Ukrainian devotees constantly say about the aggressors that they need to be killed immediately, but at the same time their government is not the aggressors? Why didn't you kill them? How many cows and animals did they kill during their reign? Millions? 

How much money was stolen? Did you punish them? You walked around with hearts and flowers, sang and danced, and when Russia attacked, you suddenly became great ksatriyas in a couple of days. Do Russian soldiers break into your houses and kill you, or do you yourself, voluntarily, go and sign up for the Ukrainian army?

Okay, Russia is bombing cities. Flashback to World War II, 1942, Japan bombing Calcutta, Prabhupada is there, he has to leave his house and take refuge in a shelter. After this incident, Prabhupada went to enlist in the Indian army to kill the Japanese? After the end of World War II, did Prabhupada hate the Japanese? Moreover, the first country he wanted to go to was not the United States, but Japan, he was invited there to an international meeting and he accepted the invitation, the Japanese prepared everything for his arrival, he only had to get there, but the Indian government did not give money for the trip, and Prabhupada did not have his own means, he had already taken sannyasa by that time.

And don't lie! Prabhupada did not instruct the Ukrainian devotees to fight against Russia. Some people have big problems with their ego. It is better to read and think carefully about the instructions of Krishna from the Bhagavad-gita, and especially 18.58:

"If you become conscious of Me, you will pass over all the obstacles of conditional life by My grace. If, however, you do not work in such consciousness but act through false ego, not hearing Me, you will be lost."

Ukrainian devotees now have their false ego instead of Krishna. They listen to false ego, not to Krishna. The outcome is obvious. It's just tamas, not spirituality.

[PADA: It is a mess. But there is no easy way out of this mess, because the material world is relentless and karma is very complex. Another devotee from Russia told PADA -- one of the reasons Russian devotees are not taking sides, or they take Russia's side, or they avoid discussing this war is, they are afraid of being arrested for discussing it at all. 

It is currently illegal to discuss "the war" starting with, no one can even call it "a war." So that is the karma is being born in Russia, it is a repressive state. And the devotees there have to take whatever precautions they need to, to avoid being arrested and targeted as dissenters. I agree.  

There are many mixed up feelings even among devotees. There are devotees who are glad this war happened, as it is destroying the GBC's biggest empire. There are devotees who are glad that this war happened, because it will induce many people to start to make alternate energies -- and save the planet from climate disasters, by reducing the oil coming out of Russia. In other words, you cannot please everyone. And of course there are many devotees who are appalled at the whole thing and they are upset to see all the carnage. Very understandable also.

In general, a devotee should be neutral to the affairs of the material world, although granted, that is sometimes difficult to do, especially if you are living in Russia or Ukraine right now. Sometimes, all we can do is pray to Krishna to save ourselves from the onslaught of the material world. We may not be able to save much else, but at least we should try to save ourselves. ys pd]

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[JD: There are no winners when the modes of ignorance are in charge of who wins. Everyone loses. ISKCON's leaders are also in the modes of ignorance. That is why they are always attracted to making pedophiles into their acharyas. The only way to win with these people is to take shelter of the higher modes.]

Jerry Sandusky Case VS ISKCON (SA Dasi)

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Jerry Sandusky 'shared boys he molested with other high-profile pedophiles linked to Penn State as part of sex ring' | Daily Mail Online

SA DASI: Reading some of the defense and rationalizations of behavior of their leader (Lokanath swami) by India ISKCON and (ICC) members (and their separation threats). This reminded me of J. Sandusky case. They are threatening to separate from ISKCON unless their demands to keep a pedophile guru are met. That means ... the India ICC Bureau thinks that there are pedophiles in the guru parampara on a regular basis. That also means they think pedophile worship is ISKCON.

Quite a few similar patterns:

1st: Many students and others staged massive disruptive protests to support their other coach - Paterno -- after his being fired and finally accused for an enabling role in the Sandusky case -- who used College Football practice to lure his minor victims there. That shows how people can defend molesters ... or their enablers ... because they have been locked into supporting the system ... and they are now invested in it. 

2nd: Coach Sandusky was long - game -playing, smart pedophile. He was friends with judges, prosecutors, football stars and famous people. He did help many footballers, especially underprivileged young ones, when they were just starting out. So he was able to get a lot of credit, just like GBC leaders are always being credited with "doing so much service."

And this is similar to ISKON India: from comments of some journalist and Lokanath followers themselves, they were also at first surprised. They did not suspect their leader could be doing these crimes in the back room.

And one of their challenges to the allegations, why more victims did not come forward after Sandusky was finally charged and victims invited to come forward. Especially considering the numbers of children he was bringing to College Football practice regularly. And why did it take so long when the first attempts to file Police reports happened (15 years at minimum). And then, sadly, it came out that others were actually witnessing sexual assaults on children in college Football showers, and this was covered up by other staff members, and maybe other footballer students. Same type problem as ISKCON. 

These crimes were only reported to other college Coaches, and never to Police, again same pattern as ISKCON. Another parallel with GBC's handling of these cases, is that sometimes the ISKCON Sannyasi's own servants are witnessing their master actually grooming, lurking and physically interacting with a child or another victim like "the therapist." And they do not go to the police, they report to the "GBC Justices" and ... it ends there. 

One of the experts shared something that is rarely mentioned: a potential reason why such large numbers of probable victims do not come forward. Which is ... in a way ... similar to why people who know still support people like Lokanath. IMHO.

Experts said that a certain percentage of victims, sadly, become abusers themselves. So, some might decide that they have the right themselves- to start recreating what the abusers did to them. And those type people do not want the Sandusky defense team's scrutiny anywhere near them. 

Similarly, with so many probable victims in ISKCON India, it is possibly the same issue. The victims may not want to speak out, because some of them maybe became victimizers. We know of at least a few cases where molested victims became victimizers, and they then never complained about the problems they had experienced. For example the GBC employed some of the more older boys to act as "enforcers" for their abuse cult, and those boys are now very reluctant to speak out for obvious reasons.

I think it is no coincidence when some people show support for someone who is already known to be a pedophile, and he is actually a confessed pedophile predator of a child, and they still choose to worship him. Like minded people are attracted to their own kind.

Those people usually have something very significant in common with such persons. Either same proclivity ... or misplaced empathy for someone who victimized others, or after being victimized by them, that caused them to surrender to the abusers in some sort of Stockholm Syndrome type of support....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Penn_State_child_sex_abuse...

"Return Of The Christ" -- Arrested In Georgia

 ‘I’m The Return of Christ’: Alleged Polygamist Cult Leader Hit With Charges in Georgia (yahoo.com)

PADA: Yep, ISKCON is not the only place where dubious people are claiming to be God's messiahs and successors. It is a widespread phenomenon in Kali Yuga. 

As usual, the false leaders are generally making themselves into pitiable crying victims. "I am only trying to do God's work on earth, and do good. But just look! The ignorant people fail to recognize my pure nature." Hee hee. Not exactly, you are a cheater and finally -- more people are catching on, that is all. 

Of course, a lot of times these guys have some attractive good things in their presentation. Sounds great! Sign me up! Unfortunately, this is mixed up with all sorts of various bad things. OK like controlling and manipulating people to exploit them. 

That is why the Srimad Bhagavatam says, falling for a false guru is like jumping into a shallow river to get relief from the hot sun, only to hit your head on the rocks. Wow! ys pd

Was Jesus Mentioned in the Bhavishya Purana?

 https://atmanism.wordpress.com/2019/04/14/jesus-christ-in-the-bhavishya-purana/?

Young man: I'm a Christian. I follow Jesus. Now, what is your spiritual master in relation to Jesus, and do you see Jesus as just another prophet like all these religions the same way

Devotee: The question was, this man is a follower of Lord Jesus Christ, and he would like to know what our opinion is of Jesus Christ.

Prabhupāda: We respect Jesus Christ as you do. Because he is the representative of God, son of God, and we are also speaking of God, so we respect him with our greatest veneration.

Young man: So you're comparing Kṛṣṇa, Buddha, Muhammad to Jesus as the same, and Guru Maharaj-ji too, another Jesus. You're saying that.

Prabhupāda: No. I am not Jesus. I am servant of Jesus.

Young man: You're a son of Jesus.

Prabhupāda: Yes. I am servant of Jesus.

Young man: What does that mean?

Prabhupāda: I don't say I am Jesus.

Young man: Do you have the powers of Jesus? Can you say to a person, "Rise up and walk," when they're paralyzed

Prabhupāda: What is that?

Devotee: He wants to know if you have the powers of Jesus.

Prabhupāda: Eh? No, I have no power of Jesus.

Man: Well, I've got the power of Jesus. (laughter) 'Cause I'm a Christian.

Prabhupāda: That's all right. You are Christian, we are Krishnian— practically the same thing. (laughter and applause)

Young man: And one other question.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Young man: I believe Jesus is coming back, and not Kṛṣṇa. And what are you guys going to do when you see Jesus? (laughter)

Prabhupāda: What is that?

Devotee: Jesus. He believes Jesus is going to come back again.

Prabhupāda: Well, he is coming, welcome. We shall welcome. It is very good news that Jesus is back.

(Srila Prabhupada University Lecture, Melbourne, July 1, 1974)

Glastonbury Krishna's Join Nityananda Parivars

[PADA: Well there you have it. After 40 years of serving in ISKCON, he quits and goes to another sampradaya. To be honest, cannot blame the guy. Unfortunately, the "Nityananda Vamsa" program is not considered as bona fide by Srila Prabhupada. 

I don't really see this guy's idea of uniting and having the various groups coming together -- working out, since there is a lot of infighting just within most of the groups to start with. One of these so-called Nityananda Vamsa people wrote me some very heavy handed insults and attacks recently. He thinks I am wrong to point out that various leaders from other groups supported the GBC's gurus.

I don't think they are always making level headed arguments either, which is why some of their people resort to personal attacks, insults, and etc. This guy who was insulting me claimed to have also been also formerly in ISKCON. Well it looks like ISKCON is spinning off its own competition. As Srila Prabhupada says, false religion creates rejection of religion, and we see that all the time. 

At the same time, I wish them well. If people can come to Krishna through them, it is better than not coming to Krishna at all. Oftentimes people come through other platforms, and then later they find out about our sites and etc. They are bringing customers to us. 

ys pd]     

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PODCAST: The Hare Krishnas In Britain - Episode 35 - Friday 15th April

"I lost my heart in Glastonbury"

We're pleased to welcome Tirthanatha das as the guest on this week's podcast.
It's another record-breaking episode with Tirthanatha being the first ever guest from the Nityananda Parivar (family) to appear on the show.

Tirthanatha is one of the driving forces behind the new Hare Krishna temple in Glastonbury. After serving in ISKCON for 40 years, running small groups in the north of England and serving swamis, he "lost his heart in Glastonbury" in 2019 when he met his spiritual guide, Sri Raman Bihari dasa Babaji.

On this week's episode we'll talk about the new temple, Sri Gour Krpa Dham, and the plans for the future. Check out their Facebook page: 

https://www.facebook.com/srigourkripadham

Tirthanatha is also a strong advocate for greater links between Maths in the Gaudiya Vaishnava family and runs the 'Vaishnavas United' Facebook group: