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PADA: Sorry, I never said that a gap in the system is eternal, nor does that make sense -- since Krishna Himself says He has to come to restart the system periodically. That means the gaps are not eternal.
Sorry, I never said that the gaps are eternal. I also never said there was "a final order," nor have you provided any quotes where Srila Prabhupada says he is giving any final orders, or where I said he gave any final order. The July 9th letter simply restates what he said all along, some people will act as representatives.
Sorry, I have never said there was any final order, nor did Srila Prabhupada, so I think you are confusing me with someone else. A representative could be called an agent, a proxy, a preacher, a priest, a ritvik, or a shiksha devotee, or other terms, these are basically interchanged terms used by Srila Prabhupada to describe the non-realized persons, who could be called by various names.
Srila Prabhupada said there would only be a Governing Body, and do not go to the Gaudiya Matha and make premature diksha gurus. First rattle out of the box? In 1978 the GBC went to Sridhara Maharaja.
Meanwhile no one explains why the appointment tape, July 9th letter, and actually all of the collections of letters, as well as the 1977 conversations, were kept hidden and not made public. I also complained that we cannot offer bhogha to conditioned souls in 1978, and Srila Prabhupada personally told me that is the only acceptable process. ys pd
JJP: OK the GBC guru is supposedly in good standing, but since most of their gurus blooped, who among them is even left standing at all? And then, who is in good standing?
PADA: A neophyte devotee who is in good standing will lose his good standing when he tries to imitate the acharyas. I was considered as in bad standing because I was opposing the false acharyas, and I got banned from ISKCON. Of course the Jayapataka people later on complained that I helped ISKCON lose $100,000,000 because I helped various child mistreatment lawsuits, the Karnataka lawsuit, the BBTI lawsuit and other lawsuits. That is because they did not want to operate things in a proper mature and responsible management process, and so they got into all sorts of problems with their false situation. Then they forced ISKCON to be responsible for their mess by bankrupting the society. ys pd
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PADA: Prabhu, The children were taking their lives at the time, it was an emergency situation. Simultaneously, Bhakti Vidya Purna was co-managing Mayapur gurukula and we had to stop people from sending their kids there. And we did, hundreds of kids were pulled out, or were not sent there, because of the lawsuit. Bangalore simply agrees with me, we cannot worship a guru parampara that contains drunks, debauchees, predators and molesters. Nor can we worship the people who enable and support a guru parampara that contains such deviated people. Why would I tell people to offer their bhogha to conditioned souls, when Srila Prabhupada told me personally -- it has to be offered in the system he gave, or it is never accepted by Krishna. Who would you recommend I tell our people to offer their bhogha to instead?
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PADA: Prabhu, The children were taking their lives at the time, it was an emergency situation. Simultaneously, Bhakti Vidya Purna was co-managing Mayapur gurukula and we had to stop people from sending their kids there. And we did, hundreds of kids were pulled out, or were not sent there, because of the lawsuit. Bangalore simply agrees with me, we cannot worship a guru parampara that contains drunks, debauchees, predators and molesters. Nor can we worship the people who enable and support a guru parampara that contains such deviated people. Why would I tell people to offer their bhogha to conditioned souls, when Srila Prabhupada told me personally -- it has to be offered in the system he gave, or it is never accepted by Krishna. Who would you recommend I tell our people to offer their bhogha to instead?
In 1978 BVKS agreed that we should offer bhogha to Jayatirtha, and he supported that system. That means people are eating bhogha, it is not accepted. I am not making any hurdles, I told the GBC in 1979 that the children will suffer if they are forced to worship conditioned souls, and they will reject the religion, and there are hundreds of ex-kids here in California who avoid ISKCON like the plague. I did not make this process, or these hurdles, rather I warned them. Yes, whole big chunk of GBC went to NM en masse, that means they are deviated people and not gurus. NM was in Texas telling people I was bogus for objecting to their rasika program, and I was in Texas arranging a lawsuit to save the lives of the victims who were taking their lives. I should not have had to do that at all. Bangalore has made a nice temple here, while the local GBC has started a Yoga class with women in Yoga pants. They are making this into a business. I told BVKS my life was in danger from all this, and he just smiled. The Feds were monitoring me and they had to save me when their goons came to get me. He has no authority to support a regime that is trying to take me out permanently. ys pd
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Bhakti Vikas Swami speaks:
Regarding Child Abuse
Transcript of a talk given by Bhakti Vikasa Swami on 27 August 2016 in Brno, Czech Republic.
http://13.235.60.199/11818/
Slightly edited for clarity.
…The whole world is full of so much contamination. Inevitably some of that comes into our Krsna consciousness movement. It is difficult to say what is the most horrible thing going on the world. Massive cow slaughter? The killing of even one cow is despicable, what to speak of massive, worldwide organized cow slaughter and meat sales. Maybe as bad as or even worse than … no one seems to care about it.
Practically every day nowadays there is a terrorist attack somewhere in the world. It comes up in the news, twenty people killed. But if you take all the living entities killed daily, there are literally millions; cows, pigs, birds, fish, goats, lamb all put together, must be millions. Cow slaughter, terrorism, these are the horrible things in the world today. Human trafficking, there are various kinds of human trafficking. Human trafficking means selling people, moving them around to sell them, especially girls are kidnapped and sold into prostitution. There are whole organized businesses going on with them.
PADA: That is what some of the victims of the BVKS program have said, we were part of an organized child abuse program. In fact Praghosa has said the BVKS gurukula program has been "industrial levels of child abuse."
http://13.235.60.199/11818/
Slightly edited for clarity.
…The whole world is full of so much contamination. Inevitably some of that comes into our Krsna consciousness movement. It is difficult to say what is the most horrible thing going on the world. Massive cow slaughter? The killing of even one cow is despicable, what to speak of massive, worldwide organized cow slaughter and meat sales. Maybe as bad as or even worse than … no one seems to care about it.
Practically every day nowadays there is a terrorist attack somewhere in the world. It comes up in the news, twenty people killed. But if you take all the living entities killed daily, there are literally millions; cows, pigs, birds, fish, goats, lamb all put together, must be millions. Cow slaughter, terrorism, these are the horrible things in the world today. Human trafficking, there are various kinds of human trafficking. Human trafficking means selling people, moving them around to sell them, especially girls are kidnapped and sold into prostitution. There are whole organized businesses going on with them.
PADA: That is what some of the victims of the BVKS program have said, we were part of an organized child abuse program. In fact Praghosa has said the BVKS gurukula program has been "industrial levels of child abuse."
There are many horrible things going on the world. One of them which is widespread in the modern world and has also severely impacted ISKCON is child abuse. Although within our society now there are all kinds of systems that are meant to prevent that, it seems that it is impossible to totally prevent. Even if the systems were to be fully followed, it would be difficult to prevent. There is one particular issue in this regard I wish to speak upon: Recently, a film was released on the internet, which highlighted some of the past and present child abuse cases in ISKCON.
PADA: The "system" of ISKCON is -- from our experience -- to drive out the people complaining about the molesting and keep the leaders of the molester messiah's regime in place, like BVKS and his sannyasa guru Jayapataka.
PADA: The "system" of ISKCON is -- from our experience -- to drive out the people complaining about the molesting and keep the leaders of the molester messiah's regime in place, like BVKS and his sannyasa guru Jayapataka.
One of the cases highlighted was involving HH Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami, who is behind the gurukula in Mayapur. There are many schools around the world in ISKCON that are called gurukula, but that’s practically the only real gurukula inasmuch as its whole and sole focus is to train children to become devotees. Devotees under my guidance, in the last few years, have also started gurukulas. We can say gurukula but that (in Mayapura) is the only well established one.
PADA: Yep, it is the ISKCON flagship operation and therefore everyone should have been focused on keeping it safe for children, bare minimum standard.
This film highlighted how Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami is known to be or certified by the ISKCON Child Protection Office (CPO) to be a child abuser. For some things which happened many years ago, twenty five – thirty years ago. There is no record of him being engaged in pedophilia, but he was judged to have been very harsh in punishing some of the boys. And there was pedophilia going on; some of the boys were themselves engaging in homosex. And apparently he knew about this and didn’t take steps to prevent it. So in this film it was said that why was he allowed to be engaged with children at all after this?
I don’t want to be an apologist for child abuse in any way or any form. I saw that gurukula thirty or so years ago, in which Anirdesya-vapu Prabhu, the brahmachari, who later became knows as Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami. He was there but he really didn’t have any…, he had very little authority, practically no say in how the school was run, which boys were accepted, anything. So there was no training, no oversight, no guidance. Just there are the boys, do something. When I say, no training, there was no training for him.
PADA: Yep, it is the ISKCON flagship operation and therefore everyone should have been focused on keeping it safe for children, bare minimum standard.
This film highlighted how Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami is known to be or certified by the ISKCON Child Protection Office (CPO) to be a child abuser. For some things which happened many years ago, twenty five – thirty years ago. There is no record of him being engaged in pedophilia, but he was judged to have been very harsh in punishing some of the boys. And there was pedophilia going on; some of the boys were themselves engaging in homosex. And apparently he knew about this and didn’t take steps to prevent it. So in this film it was said that why was he allowed to be engaged with children at all after this?
I don’t want to be an apologist for child abuse in any way or any form. I saw that gurukula thirty or so years ago, in which Anirdesya-vapu Prabhu, the brahmachari, who later became knows as Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami. He was there but he really didn’t have any…, he had very little authority, practically no say in how the school was run, which boys were accepted, anything. So there was no training, no oversight, no guidance. Just there are the boys, do something. When I say, no training, there was no training for him.
PADA: Good question. Where is the oversight for ISKCON? When we said there is a problem with children worshiping deviants as their acharyas, and being abused, we got booted out by BVKS's sannyasa guru Jayapataka. If the persons attempting oversight are banned, beaten, sued and exiled, or worse, then what?
This all happened many years ago, and see what he has done in the meantime. Anyone who wants to blame him should go and see what he has done in Mayapur, and speak to the many young men who went there as young boys and are very very happy that they did so.
This all happened many years ago, and see what he has done in the meantime. Anyone who wants to blame him should go and see what he has done in Mayapur, and speak to the many young men who went there as young boys and are very very happy that they did so.
PADA: Where are the second generation children now? Almost none of them participate in ISKCON these days. There are maybe over a hundred here in San Francisco area, and they boycott ISKCON.
Many boys who graduated from that school never want to leave it and want to stay in Mayapur for the rest of their life.
PADA: Umm, nope. Some of the ex-kids who were being beaten and raped there told me they were praying every day that they would die, to escape being there. Many of these ex-kids, or most of them, have totally abandoned ISKCON for the rest of their lives.
Two of the older boys, they are not boys now, they are married and have children, they have taken up very responsible posts in the development of the Mayapur project. Your own Pritivardhana Prabhu, from Czech Republic, who you know very well, is overseeing the school there. With practically no support and nothing, even though he was under much blame, Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami has developed that gurukula and he has done something wonderful.
PADA: Why is there practically no support and nothing for the children, but there is a spare $100,000,000 for lawsuits according to the Jayapataka people who attacked me for helping lawsuits. What does it say when the big gurus are living like jet set Saudi princes, and the children in their care have "no support and nothing for them"?
In that film the question is asked, why is he allowed to be involved with children? Well, there is the answer, go and see. We might also consider one statement of Krsna’s in the Bhagavad-gita (9.30): api cet su-duracaro, bhajate mam ananya-bhak / sadhur eva sa mantavyah, samyag vyavasito hi sah. Even if one commits abominable activities, if his resolution is to serve Me only, such a person, Krsna says, must be considered a sadhu. Do we want to edit this out of Bhagavad-gita? Is there some crime which is unforgivable?
PADA: Well yeah, child abusers, and their enablers like Jayapataka, should not be allowed to roam freely around ISKCON, that is just common sense.
The reason I am particularly bringing this up here is because, so I am told, some of my disciples are disturbed that I don’t want Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami shot or hanged or hung upside down or removed from the position or shamed or whatever. Apparently some of my disciples are disturbed that I have any sympathy whatsoever. I have stated my position in this regard and my disciples and anyone else can form their own opinion in this regard, as they like. So if you like you can hang or shoot me also.
PADA: Yep we support a child molester regime, and that is just your tough beans if you object. We also ban, beat, molest, sue and assassinate dissenters. Any questions?
Questions and Answers:
Q: Devotees would like to educate their children based on the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. CPO seems to have policies or norms which are coming from mundane world, which do not seem favorable in many cases. Please comment.
A: What are you referring to in particular? The CPO wants all children to recognize child molesters? By the way there is another thing in that film, the film that was made recently, they showed Indradyumna Swami with young girls. Alright, everyone knows that Indradyumna Swami likes kids and young girls but there has never been a case of him doing anything wrong.
The reason I am particularly bringing this up here is because, so I am told, some of my disciples are disturbed that I don’t want Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami shot or hanged or hung upside down or removed from the position or shamed or whatever. Apparently some of my disciples are disturbed that I have any sympathy whatsoever. I have stated my position in this regard and my disciples and anyone else can form their own opinion in this regard, as they like. So if you like you can hang or shoot me also.
PADA: Yep we support a child molester regime, and that is just your tough beans if you object. We also ban, beat, molest, sue and assassinate dissenters. Any questions?
Questions and Answers:
Q: Devotees would like to educate their children based on the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. CPO seems to have policies or norms which are coming from mundane world, which do not seem favorable in many cases. Please comment.
A: What are you referring to in particular? The CPO wants all children to recognize child molesters? By the way there is another thing in that film, the film that was made recently, they showed Indradyumna Swami with young girls. Alright, everyone knows that Indradyumna Swami likes kids and young girls but there has never been a case of him doing anything wrong.
PADA: Indradyumna Swami supports the whole Mayapur molester regime, and many other deviations.
It seems, lets be frank, he is attractive to young women, it seems like that.
PADA: Children are not young women. And if he is attracted to young women, or worse young children, then he should not be recognized as Krishna's successor. And in fact he should be restricted from access to temples only under supervised visits.
He is a very colorful, heroic kind of preacher; he is out there all the time, on the frontline, preaching. But there has never been any record of him engaging in any illicit activity, so why blame him? He has done tremendous preaching throughout his life. So that’s another point.
PADA: Well yeah, he is preaching that acharyas are falling down left, right and center because acharyas are conditioned souls.
Q: How we should cooperate with the CPO office when we want to educate children, he heard from other devotees that there are some mundane approaches but he does not have any specific…
A: It seems to me that the CPO, a lot of what they recommend is based on recommendations from karmis who are trying to prevent this child abuse. What are the Vedic ways of child protection? I think in the world and what to speak of Vedic, everywhere in the world -- up until recently, it wasn’t an issue.
And probably in the Czech Republic it probably isn’t nearly as much as a problem as it is in England or America, I don’t know, I can guess like that.
It is very widespread in India.
PADA: OK child abuse is widespread in India, so let us not make a strong oversight program of the children in India. And let us say that Bhagavad Gita wants us to forgive perps.
No doubt one reason for that is because lust is being promoted, more and more and more. People have overwhelming lusty desires and I guess some of them see children as easy victims.
PADA: But why is the GBC promoting lusty people as gurus in the first place? You become what you worship, worshiping lust will increase lust in the congregations.
I don’t exactly know the psychology of pedophiles. But it is hypocritical that the whole society promotes sex so much and then they are shocked by child abuse which is an overspill of lusty desires which are being promoted.
PADA: Well yeah, the BVKS program of promoting the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs does create a big danger for the children in their process. And us whistleblowers are in severe danger as well.
The point is that, if you want to put systems in place to try to protect children, what do you do? It is an issue. And to pretend it is not an issue; we might regret very much in future if we pretend it is not an issue. If, Krsna forbid, any of the children of the devotees present here were abused, what would you feel? Maybe it is best to take advice from people who have experience in this, even if their background is in mundane psychology. At least they have some experience, and hopefully they are able to prevent.
You don’t want to expose children by saying “Be careful of everyone, they might do this or that to you,” so their basic childish innocent trust is spoiled from the very beginning. But on the other hand if there are so many people around who are looking for opportunity to exploit that childish trust and innocence, we have to consider that also. What do you think?
Q: They have two categories, gross abuse and psychological abuse. When you force them to…for example there are some norms according to which you need to treat children … to force them to wake up early in the morning…
A: To get children up early in the morning is child abuse?
Q: They cannot recognize this, they say that this is mental abuse.
A: In that case we have to follow what Prabhupada says. You can’t follow the karmi psychologists fully. Not all that they say. Srila Prabhupada said to not train children in austerity is one kind of cruelty to children. They would say that training children in austerity is child abuse, but Srila Prabhupada put it round the other way. Srila Prabhupada said that they have got this rare human form of life and to indulge them in sense gratification – that is spoiling their human life in the beginning. One thing I should say about this film, lest I be remiss, it is good that they are keeping the issue of child abuse alive so that we don’t allow it to go on.
It seems to be vindictive. Vindictive means, you just want to find a fault, looking for revenge or something like this. In one part of the film they showed the boys in the so-called gurukula in ISKCON Vrindavan today. One of the boys said, “One of the teachers twisted my ear.” Well, if you are not allowed to discipline the children even by twisting their ear, isn’t it another form of child abuse that they can never be disciplined?
You don’t want to expose children by saying “Be careful of everyone, they might do this or that to you,” so their basic childish innocent trust is spoiled from the very beginning. But on the other hand if there are so many people around who are looking for opportunity to exploit that childish trust and innocence, we have to consider that also. What do you think?
Q: They have two categories, gross abuse and psychological abuse. When you force them to…for example there are some norms according to which you need to treat children … to force them to wake up early in the morning…
A: To get children up early in the morning is child abuse?
Q: They cannot recognize this, they say that this is mental abuse.
A: In that case we have to follow what Prabhupada says. You can’t follow the karmi psychologists fully. Not all that they say. Srila Prabhupada said to not train children in austerity is one kind of cruelty to children. They would say that training children in austerity is child abuse, but Srila Prabhupada put it round the other way. Srila Prabhupada said that they have got this rare human form of life and to indulge them in sense gratification – that is spoiling their human life in the beginning. One thing I should say about this film, lest I be remiss, it is good that they are keeping the issue of child abuse alive so that we don’t allow it to go on.
It seems to be vindictive. Vindictive means, you just want to find a fault, looking for revenge or something like this. In one part of the film they showed the boys in the so-called gurukula in ISKCON Vrindavan today. One of the boys said, “One of the teachers twisted my ear.” Well, if you are not allowed to discipline the children even by twisting their ear, isn’t it another form of child abuse that they can never be disciplined?
PADA: Yep, after all sorts of physical abuse has taken place, even some of the other GBC said BVKS is making a mistake authorizing corporal punishment. If a child is totally uncooperative and cannot function in a cooperative school setting, he should be sent back to the parents -- and let them deal with the situation and potential consequences. The burden of taking care of an unruly child should not be the function of a gurukula.
It is part of training children, that they should learn some fear also. That if they do something wrong that they are punished. Not that it is done maliciously. But in most cultures throughout the world, children are given some form of physical punishment, it doesn’t have to be very severe, just to train them to do the right thing and particularly not to do the wrong thing.
In Sri Lanka, there are shops that sell educational supplies. One of them is bamboo rods, and the parents tell the teachers, “If my child misbehaves, beat him.” They expect it to be part of the job of the teacher to discipline the children. Maybe I will get suspended for child … they will find something to suspend me…having said all these things.
In Sri Lanka, there are shops that sell educational supplies. One of them is bamboo rods, and the parents tell the teachers, “If my child misbehaves, beat him.” They expect it to be part of the job of the teacher to discipline the children. Maybe I will get suspended for child … they will find something to suspend me…having said all these things.
Srila Prabhupada he said not to beat the children but he did also quote the English saying, spare the rod and spoil the child. This is another idea coming from pop-psychology that the children they should not know any fear but a little fear is good. It is good to be afraid of doing wrong. And until we become perfectly pure devotees, fear of punishment is a good incentive to not do the wrong thing. It’s a quotable quote … note it down, put it on the internet with waterfalls and mountains in the background.
Have you seen this? They put quotes on the internet with nice scenes of nature, maybe for this picture we can have a picture of Yamaraja. A certain class of persons is always trying to think up some quote which can be put on the internet. They find pictures from nature … anyway here is a quote.
What I have said now, I know that at least some members of our movement will very strongly disagree with this. If any of you feel some disagreement, let it be known. Again, I am not at all condoning child abuse. One thing is, what is the definition of child abuse? I might disagree with some people on the definition of child abuse. Sexual violation of children is getting down as about as low as anyone in the human body can do anything – to sexually abuse children – no doubt about that.
But twisting a boy’s ear because he has misbehaved it is really not … to say someone is raping children and someone is twisting their ear when they misbehave is all child abuse and to put it in the same category is extremely unbalanced and unfair.
Those who … here is another quote you can put on the internet … those who are so adamant to prevent child abuse, in doing so they should see that they are not doing another kind of abuse. I heard a story, I don’t know if it is true or not. There was an Indian working in America or maybe he immigrated to America. He got jailed because his son complained to the police after his father had beaten him. He was in jail for a few months, he came out and said we are going back to India. In India, he beat his son and said we are never going back to America again. I don’t know if it is true or not or how badly he beat the son or whatever, an anecdote that I heard.
Q: It is said that it is not really good to tell these things to children how to recognize these situations or these persons. On the other side, we should tell them something. For example, he knows two cases here in Czech Republic, who had this experience when they were kids and they never told this to anybody. The general tendency according to modern statistics is that these children do not reveal what happened to them. How can we deal with our children in such a way that they will tell us if anything improper happens or is going on.
A: This is what I am saying that we don’t like the idea of training the children in that way but maybe it is a good idea to do so. Naturally, if a child comes, even if you don’t know the child you might want to give them a little hug or pat them on the head or something but nowadays you can’t do that because you might get pulled up for being a child molester. I am absolutely serious in saying this.
Those who … here is another quote you can put on the internet … those who are so adamant to prevent child abuse, in doing so they should see that they are not doing another kind of abuse. I heard a story, I don’t know if it is true or not. There was an Indian working in America or maybe he immigrated to America. He got jailed because his son complained to the police after his father had beaten him. He was in jail for a few months, he came out and said we are going back to India. In India, he beat his son and said we are never going back to America again. I don’t know if it is true or not or how badly he beat the son or whatever, an anecdote that I heard.
Q: It is said that it is not really good to tell these things to children how to recognize these situations or these persons. On the other side, we should tell them something. For example, he knows two cases here in Czech Republic, who had this experience when they were kids and they never told this to anybody. The general tendency according to modern statistics is that these children do not reveal what happened to them. How can we deal with our children in such a way that they will tell us if anything improper happens or is going on.
A: This is what I am saying that we don’t like the idea of training the children in that way but maybe it is a good idea to do so. Naturally, if a child comes, even if you don’t know the child you might want to give them a little hug or pat them on the head or something but nowadays you can’t do that because you might get pulled up for being a child molester. I am absolutely serious in saying this.
If you do that to an unknown child, the parents might call the police. That’s the way the world is nowadays, it is insane but we can’t escape in all respects this miserable world that we live in. I say the parents, most likely it will be the parent.
Q: He wants to confirm if he understood properly in regards to Bhakti Vidya-purna Maharaja if he is leading gurukula?
A: He is not officially leading the gurukula, he has no official position. But from behind he has been guiding Pritivardhana Prabhu and others for years. As far as I know, he has complied with the CPO laws. There is some injunction against him. He has been doing everything from behind. Like I said, he has done something unique and laudable.
Q: The situation is such that he is accused that…
A: He is not only accused, there is a whole case against him and he has been found guilty. Again, these are things that happened thirty years ago.
Q: He is asking if he understood it properly, that there is no record that he was a child abuser.
A: Yes, there is a record that he is a child abuser inasmuch as he severely beat some of the boys.
Q: Regarding the principle of api-cet-suduracaro, devotees who are on the side of Bhakti Vidya-purna Maharaja, they are giving example of Lord Brahma who once ran after his daughter and then he was ashamed…
A: The example of Lord Brahma. Yes, he is still respected as Lord Brahma, even though he engaged in some duracara, suduracara – very bad activity.
Q: They are giving this example that the other demigods did not kick him out.
A: The other demigods did not kick him out and in fact, the sons of Marici who laughed at him, they took birth as demons and were killed by their father. They eventually became brothers of Krsna, they became sons of Kalanemi and then they became sons of Devaki and were killed by Kamsa, who was Kalanemi in a previous birth. There is a difference, of course, there is a difference. As far as I know, Bhakti Vidya-purna Maharaja is not Lord Brahma.
Q: He was just chasing the daughter but he did not abuse her physically. But there are cases in gurukula, little children were abused, and it was not only thirty years ago, but still sometimes it is going on ingurukula, not from Maharaja’s side but from the side of others.
A: In Mayapur gurukula?
Q: I heard it from one boy who used to stay there he said he saw, and he also heard from other boys.
A: Still going on? I personally know of a case which very few people know about. This is recent, less than two years, one boy was there and he expressed some desire like that (homosex) and he was removed from the school. It may be that there are cases but as far as I know, especially given their experience, they are very strict not to indulge that.
I also heard what Pritivardhana Prabhu said in this case, from one of the parents of the boy. He said that this is very common in the modern world, nowadays. If we were given the opportunity, we could work with the boy, he is a good boy and help to rectify him. But the atmosphere in our movement is so frenzied about this issue that if anyone comes to know that we have kept a boy who has such an inclination, they will use it to close down our school or whatever. I also know a case of a very good devotee in India, very good means, he was practicing very well. Then it was discovered, that he was engaged in such activity… [END]
Q: He wants to confirm if he understood properly in regards to Bhakti Vidya-purna Maharaja if he is leading gurukula?
A: He is not officially leading the gurukula, he has no official position. But from behind he has been guiding Pritivardhana Prabhu and others for years. As far as I know, he has complied with the CPO laws. There is some injunction against him. He has been doing everything from behind. Like I said, he has done something unique and laudable.
Q: The situation is such that he is accused that…
A: He is not only accused, there is a whole case against him and he has been found guilty. Again, these are things that happened thirty years ago.
Q: He is asking if he understood it properly, that there is no record that he was a child abuser.
A: Yes, there is a record that he is a child abuser inasmuch as he severely beat some of the boys.
Q: Regarding the principle of api-cet-suduracaro, devotees who are on the side of Bhakti Vidya-purna Maharaja, they are giving example of Lord Brahma who once ran after his daughter and then he was ashamed…
A: The example of Lord Brahma. Yes, he is still respected as Lord Brahma, even though he engaged in some duracara, suduracara – very bad activity.
Q: They are giving this example that the other demigods did not kick him out.
A: The other demigods did not kick him out and in fact, the sons of Marici who laughed at him, they took birth as demons and were killed by their father. They eventually became brothers of Krsna, they became sons of Kalanemi and then they became sons of Devaki and were killed by Kamsa, who was Kalanemi in a previous birth. There is a difference, of course, there is a difference. As far as I know, Bhakti Vidya-purna Maharaja is not Lord Brahma.
Q: He was just chasing the daughter but he did not abuse her physically. But there are cases in gurukula, little children were abused, and it was not only thirty years ago, but still sometimes it is going on ingurukula, not from Maharaja’s side but from the side of others.
A: In Mayapur gurukula?
Q: I heard it from one boy who used to stay there he said he saw, and he also heard from other boys.
A: Still going on? I personally know of a case which very few people know about. This is recent, less than two years, one boy was there and he expressed some desire like that (homosex) and he was removed from the school. It may be that there are cases but as far as I know, especially given their experience, they are very strict not to indulge that.
I also heard what Pritivardhana Prabhu said in this case, from one of the parents of the boy. He said that this is very common in the modern world, nowadays. If we were given the opportunity, we could work with the boy, he is a good boy and help to rectify him. But the atmosphere in our movement is so frenzied about this issue that if anyone comes to know that we have kept a boy who has such an inclination, they will use it to close down our school or whatever. I also know a case of a very good devotee in India, very good means, he was practicing very well. Then it was discovered, that he was engaged in such activity… [END]
PADA: Telling children they have to worship drug addicts, drunks, predators and pedophiles as their gurus is psychological child abuse right out of the gate. And the entire program has lead to many examples of physical child abuse, which follows in its shadow. ys pd
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