Sivaram / Mula Prakriti / Gopa Vrndapal / NM / etc. 08 01

PADA: Oh oh. Sivarama swami says there is no guarantee Srila Prabhupada can liberate people now, because he never said that he could. You mean worshiping deviants will save us now? ys pd

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REMEMBERING MULAPRAKRITI

Mulaprakriti devi dasi departed this world sometime around July 2004 during a stay in Vrndavana. She had been diagnosed with cancer. Before she left this world she compiled a book titled:

'Our Srila Prabhupada' A friend To All

Early Contemporaries Remember Him'

Which is her final offering in this world to Srila Prabhupada. Here is a sample excerpt from the Preface that was written by her dear husband Gopavrndapala das prabhu:

"One whom Srila Prabhupada continued to impact (after his passing) in an extraordinary way was my wife, Mulaprakriti dasi. For over three decades I knew her to be tenacious in her desire to please him. Over the last few years, Mula's affection for Srila Prabhupada sent her trekking throughout India with only a handheld tape recorder and a hunch. 

Her hunch proved true: people who knew Srila Prabhupada before he went to the West had a gold mine of untold nectar to share. At first she jotted down their recollections simply because she was so moved by them, but as many of you know, Mula's nature was to share whatever she learned. Gradually the idea for a book was born.

A huge stack of taped interviews full of Hindi, Bengali and hopelessly broken English grew far beyond her expectations.

She found herself working long hours, often alone, on a task that she sometimes felt was over her head. And of course cameras, computers, recorders and just about everything else malfunctioned whenever they were most needed. In the midst of countlesssetbacks, though, Mula's single-minded dedication to Srila Prabhupada and his family of devotees never let her stop.

Her main concern was, "Will the devotees like it?" I can attest that Mula's sincerity to please all of Srila Prabhupada's followers guided her from the first to the last interview. Throughout the years she never gave up hope that our common bond - affection for Srila Prabhupada - would persuade us to work together in mutual appreciation, despite our many differences.

She found hope in Srila Prabhupada's famous purport in the first canto of Srimad - Bhagavatam:

"When there is a fire in the house, the inmates of the house go out to get help from the neighbors who may be foreigners...and the neighbors understand the need, even though not expressed in the same language. The same spirit of cooperation is needed to broadcast this transcendental message of the Srimad -Bhagavatam throughout the polluted atmosphere of the world."

PADA: Sounds good except, Mula Prakriti and her gang first of all were working with GBC guru Hrdayananda and -- "Krishna's gone Western." And that was supporting the bogus 11 guru system of ISKCON, that has been banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing Vaishnavas. She was showing us her "management chart" where she was going to liaison with Hrdayananda. OK, but that means helping the program that is causing all the mayhem in Mayapur etc. 

Then later she took shelter of Tamal's main bucket boy BV Narayan Maharaja, who was in Texas propping up Tamal when we were in Texas organizing a $400,000,000 child abuse lawsuit against Tamal. When Mula Prakriti says that everyone should work together when there is a fire in the house, then working with the people who are setting the house on fire, and pouring petrol on the fire, is not going to help with the fire. 

This is going to make the fire worse, and create MANY more victims. She also recommended Satsvarupa as a guru for various ISKCON children, and SDG was the main supporter of Kirtanananda and he said me and Sulochana are poison pens for objecting to their pedophile pooja and messiah's project. SDG is among the worst case among them, since he was their position paper writer for years. Sulochana said SDG is the Joe Goebbels writer for the regime, and SDG is hardly anyone we would want children to be worshiping as their eternal link to God.

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The subtle minimsation of Srila Prabhupada.

CONCLUSION

The Narayana Maharaja phenomenon stretched from 1990 to his passing away in 2012, and it somewhat continues with his initiated sannyasis who still promote their organization and temples, some of whom are now gurus themselves. Although the ISKCON GBC finally reprimanded and reined in their own members in 1995 (Ch. 71) for associating with NM and endorsing his rasika bhakti philosophy, great damage to ISKCON had already been done and this continued for many years. 

With facilitation from ISKCON leaders such as Tamal, Giriraja, Satsvarupa, Indradyumna, Sivarama and others, the Gaudiya Math, whom Srila Prabhupada had left in the 1950’s, siphoned off thousands of Srila Prabhupada disciples and followers. Although Srila Prabhupada had smashed the early 1970’s “gopi bhava” club in Los Angeles, the lesson was lost as the "rasika guru" and the focus on the intimate conjugal pastimes of the Lord was again taken up as though it was the ultimate program for success in spiritual life. 

Tamal was the primary promoter of Narayan Maharaja.

This was the SIXTH major ISKCON schism.

CHAPTER 112: NARAYAN MAHARAJA

"There is nothing new to be said. Whatever I had to say, I have already said in my books. Now you must try to understand it and continue with your endeavours. Whether I am present or not does not matter." (SPConv May 17, 1977) 

“Therefore, those who are in bodily consciousness and who desire sense gratification are forbidden to indulge in discussions of the transcendental pastimes of Sri Radha and Krishna.” (CC Adi 13.42)

INTRODUCTION

The supposed need for a rasika guru was a major deviation from Srila Prabhupada’s teachings that entered ISKCON in the early nineties, promoted by Tamal as he led many GBCs and senior devotees. The effects were huge and continue to the present day. The history was already described in the previous chapter, how thousands of ISKCON devotees became captivated by Narayan Maharaja (NM) of Gaudiya Math. 

Below are direct quotes from NM which will make it very clear to Srila Prabhupada’s followers that NM taught very differently from what Srila Prabhupada taught, and there was great disharmony between these two versions.

COMPILATION OF [SHOCKING] QUOTES FROM NARAYAN MAHARAJA

“Understanding Narayan Maharaja: his own words and other primary sources:” Compiled by disciples of Srila Prabhupada: one will require a good knowledge of Srila Prabhupada’s teachings to recognize how NM conflicts with Srila Prabhupada. 

(1) NM, Hawaii, Feb. 17, 2001: "Prahlad Maharaja was a very bona fide bhakta, and he never wanted anything worldly, but he could not serve Krishna. His bhakti was mixed with jnana, knowledge of the Lord's opulence. If you have some worldly desire, or any desire, then your bhakti may be sanga-siddha bhakti or aropa-siddha bhakti, but not pure transcendental bhakti.” 

SPLecture Feb 11 1976: “And uttama-adhikari, that is very rarely attained, this stage. Uttama-adhikari, has only equal, one vision, samah sarvesu bhutesu mad-bhaktim labhate. The uttama-adhikari, he does not think that ‘He is envious,’ or ‘he is this,’ or ‘he is that,’he sees that everyone is engaged in Krishna consciousness. That is not to be imitated. 

Our Prahlad Maharaja is like that. He did not know who is his enemy and who is friend. No, he did not know. He is uttama-adhikari, maha-bhagavata. So this maha-bhagavata, this word is very important in this verse, maha-bhagavato 'rbhakah. Immediately, as soon as Brahma requested, ‘My dear boy, please pacify.’ No hesitation, immediately he fell down. Upetya bhuvi kayena. He is always at the lotus feet of Krishna, and, as a child...” 

(2) NM, Oct. 24, 1999: "We can glorify Swamiji, Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. But those who are falling down, how can they glorify him? They cannot glorify him, never; they are cutting. They are establishing that he was the founder of ISKCON, but I know that he was not founder, he was one of the members of this in guru parampara. It was founded by Krishna, and first acharya was Brahma, then Narada, then Vyasa. 

Only he has changed the name and he has preached these things in Western countries." 

(3) NM, April 28, 19992: "Also you should know that Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is the founder of ISKCON. Swamiji, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja is one of the prominent acharyas in this line only. He is not founder; he's one of the prominent acharyas, who spread all these things [over] whole world, in a very short time. 

Though Prabhupada Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati himself could not come here, and he sent Swami Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja here. So Swamiji is one of the hands of Srila Prabhupada. It is not that Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja is also father and forefather of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati. We should try to realize all these things. He was one hand, one hand, he was one hand, and that hand was so long that it traveled [over the] whole world, that long hand. 

But for this you should not minimize all other acharyas who have not come here, but more qualified they were. Like parama pujyapada Sridhara Maharaja, Gosvami Maharaja, my Guru Maharaja, to whom this Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja used to make, used to honor like siksha-guru." 

PADA: Param Pujyapada BR Sridhara Maharaja is the founder father of the bi-sexual deviant guru sampradaya of the Gaudiya Matha, which had dissenters banned, beaten and assassinated. Then in 1978 Sridhara Maharaja became the darling of the ISKCON 11 GBC gurus. And while these 11 gurus were deviating, and devotees were being banned, beaten, molested, sued and assassinated; and children were being molested left, right and center, Sridhara Maharaja was saying "none should protest." He was the biggest defender of the GBC's guru system. And later on NM supported the GBC guru system. How does Mula Prakriti ilk think this is putting out the fire in the house?

(4) NM Australia: Feb. 18. 2002: "Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami Maharaja, only changed the name into English. He is not the founder-acharya of that eternal ISKCON... I am ISKCON. I'm not different from ISKCON. I am 'Bhaktivedanta' [Bhaktivedanta Narayan Gosvami]. Like father, like son. 

I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other. You should know this very openly. I am Bhaktivedanta and he is Bhaktivedanta, but he received this name after I did. I'm senior to him in this regard... I'm Bhaktivedanta, and I'm also ISKCON. Don't think that I'm out of ISKCON." 

(5) Hari Sauri March 31, 1997 Letter: "He (NM) shouted, 'I am not under your rules. I am not ISKCON, I am Gaudiya Math!"' 

(6) SPL Dr. Bigelow Jan. 20, 1971: "I am the founder-acharya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness." 

(7) SPL Kurusrestha Dec. 28, 1974: "Also your idea of forming a trust between ISKCON and the leading men in the Indian community is approved by me. That is very nice. Let the Indians take part in our movement and help us to push on this mission of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. In that trust you must be very careful to make sure that my name is registered there as the founder- acharya and that I am to be the ultimate authority. In other words, in any case of necessity of vetoing or canceling any decision made by the other trustees, I should be able to do like that. My decision should over-rule all the other trustees combined." 

(8) NM Australia, Feb. 12, 2002: "Therefore, in his service to Radhika, for rati-keli-siddhyai, a guru cannot serve in his male form. Srila Swami Maharaja and my Gurudeva are both serving there in their female forms as gopis. In that realm my Gurudeva is Vinoda Manjari, Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati Thakura is Nayana Manjari, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura is Kamala Manjari, Srila Jiva Gosvami is Vilasa Manjari, Srila Rupa Gosvami is Rupa Manjari, and Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami is Rati Manjari. These manjaris can serve Radha- Krishna Conjugal." 

Dhrstadyumna das: "And our Srila Prabhupada?” 

NM: "If you fully surrender, by body, mind, words and ego, then I may tell you. Otherwise, I will not. I know who he is, but you do not know. None of the ISKCON leaders know. Your Prabhupada has cheated them all, in the sense that he has not revealed himself to them at all." 

(9) Datta das, Letter to NM July 19, 1998: "I do not understand why you are again giving the Gayatri mantra to Srila Prabhupada disciples who have already heard it from him. And I do not agree with you that Srila Prabhupada did not understand that if devotees heard his chanting of the Gayatri mantra from a tape, it was not bona fide."

(10) SP’s SBhag 2.9.8 purport: "The potency of transcendental sound is never minimized because the vibrator is apparently absent." 

(11) NM Dec. 3, 2001 India: "You should try to realize what instructions Srila Swami Maharaja (Srila Prabhupada) has given. He has never given anything other than the instructions of Srila Rupa Gosvami. He always followed Rupa Gosvami, and therefore he is a rupanuga-vaishnava. He wanted to very clearly give the path of rupanuga (manjari-bhava), but he first had to cut down the jungles of mayavada and atheism. Because he wanted to give this path, he requested me to help them. He could have given it then, but they were not ready at that time." 

(12) NM, Australia: Feb. 18. 2002: "I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other." 

(13) NM Lecture, Sept. 19, 1994: "Those who are not rasika Vaishnavas, they don't know tattva, they have not gone to association with any Vaishnava... they think that to preach whole world... the name of Krishna... and to give Gita sandesha... is the whole thing. So I want to say that your Prabhupada has given these things... only these things... and not beyond these things. Then he was only the servant of Mahavishnu, not of Krishna. A strange thing... for them who are ignorant. But those who are wise and have done initiation from any rasika Vaishnava, bhava bhakta of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu... Those who have given their heart to them and have realized anything... very little... they can realize these things. [...] At first, if any temple is going on... we'll have to clear... the ground. 

The thorns are there, the trees having thorns... useless... to be cut, and to give some land... But to dig and to sweep is not everything. To dig for basement of this big temple is not everything. So Swamiji has at first cleared the atmosphere... Prepared the ground... by preaching name and the sandesh of Gita... he prepared. 

So very important work. Without this, without this, he could not have given these things. As Chaitanya Mahaprabhu first preached the whole world Krishna name, and he wanted all Vaishnavas to understand His inner mood. ...Otherwise everyone cannot understand... so he has done this task and it was so necessary for that world... for all world... he has done but he has not done everything ... by that doing. It was only basement... Foundation." (14) NM, Melbourne farm: "Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja told me in the last days 'You should help my disciples. They are like monkeys; I could not train them so much. So always try to help them

(15) NM, B.C. Canada May 2001: "When he came to the Western countries he saw that all were taking so many drugs, so many drugs. Almost all were mad persons, loving dog instead of God. Still he thought, ‘What should I do? I should give something.’ First he cut the jungles of all mayavada philosophy, atheism, material science propaganda, and so on. 

Next he explained that you should worship your own gurudeva first. It was something, a beginning for beginners. A, B, C, D. [...] However, when you pass the beginning primary school and enter high school or college, you should not think, ‘Oh, I will only study the thing I learned at the beginning. I will not obey all these professors. I only want my gurudeva and what he has told us. 

A means apple, B means ball, and C means cat. Why are you telling different things? Narayan Maharaja comes and tells so many different things. We should not accept this. He is glorifying Rupa Gosvami, and he is teaching that we want affection for Radha- Krishna Conjugal. Why is he telling different things? Don't listen to him. It will be an offense.’ What is this? Ignorant persons speak like this. Don't think that I am teaching anything other than what your Srila Prabhupada wanted and wrote. 

His voice has been recorded on his last day. He ordered me, ‘Help my disciples.’ After that he did not speak to anyone. You can get that cassette. Why did he order me in this way? Weeping, he requested this of me. If he had already told everything, then why did he request me in that way? If anyone does not have belief in my statements, he can acquire and hear the cassette. At that time he spoke in Bengali so that others would not understand. 

If he were to say that all his disciples were ignorant, that they did not know very much, and that they were imperfect, they may have become upset. For this reason he spoke so many things in Bengali. He told me, ‘I brought them, but I could not teach them in full.’ If he had told them everything, and if they were so knowledgeable and expert, why have so many of the senior devotees, even those in the renounced order, fallen down? 

Where are they now? Where they are now is not ISKCON. They were not ISKCON, they are not ISKCON, and they will not be ISKCON.

PADA: Right, that means it is extremely foolish for NM to say these blooped out fools have been members of Krishna's guru parampara. And it is a huge mistake for people like Mulaprakriti to endorse all of these people. Even more foolish to say the people burning down the house are the fire department saviors of the house.

[...] If there is no need for Prabhupada's disciples to continue hearing from a bona fide guru, then why are they falling? Why? I know more than you, much more than you.”

(16) The conversation to which NM refers to above is: A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami and NM Oct- Nov 1977, Vrindaban, as transcribed by NM’s followers: 

SP: Are any of my God-brothers in Vrindavana now? 

NM: Yes. SP: Who? 

NM: Van Maharaja might be there, as well as Indupati Prabhu from Chaitanya Gaudiya Matha. 

SP: Any more? 

NM: Only these two at the moment. 

SP: Who is Indupati? 

NM: Indupati. He comes here often. 

Bhakticaru: From Madhava Maharaja's matha? 

NM: Yes. No one else is here. 

SP: Please call both of them. Van Maharaja and him. 

NM: This is very good proposal by you. 

SP: Please sit down. They will call them. 

NM: All right. 

SP: This cutting of arguments happens sometimes... 

NM: These are insignificant matters in such a substantial worldwide mission. A little something here and there is of no consequence. You have done this wonderful preaching work for the benefit of the whole world. There was no self-interest. You did everything only in devotional service to Krishna, for benefiting all people at large. 

SP: It is all by your blessings. 

NM: You have done a wonderful thing. It is necessary to care for and preserve this mission, and see that it is managed skillfully. 

SP: You kindly instruct them on this matter. I'm unable to speak. 

(17) Satsvarupa: "In the ultimate issue, however, what matters is not so much what Srila Prabhupada may or may not have said to Srila NM, but what Srila Prabhupada said to us, his disciples. And there is no record of him ever instructing the members of ISKCON to take direction from Srila NM, other than to seek his advice concerning the details of performing Srila Prabhupada's samadhi ceremony.” 

PADA: Except that SDG and NM were co-writing the Guru Reform Notebook starting in 1984, and that is how they got to the point of resinstating known homosexuals as acharyas during their 1986 "reform."

(18) Hrdayananda Dec. 7, 2000: "NM states that he is the 'first' or maybe the 'true' disciple of Srila Prabhupada etc. Actually I have personally served Srila Prabhupada for so many years as a GBC member and he has never mentioned NM, nor was NM engaged in any significant service to Srila Prabhupada's Mission. Srila Prabhupada never told in any book, article interview or any other documented statements, that NM should become the siksha guru of ISKCON."

(19) SPConv Aug. 16, 1976: "They (Bhaktisiddhanta's disciples) never thought, 'Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acharya?' They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya and everything failed. They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? 

[...] So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaja. That is perfection." 

COMMENT: Which means, if Srila Prabhupada wanted us to study rasika tattva with NM, why did he not tell us such? 

(20) SPLilamrita: " Then he paused for some time, and wiping the tears from his cheeks, he said in an even more choked voice, ‘He saved me.’ At that point I began to understand the meaning of ‘spiritual master’ and dropped all consideration of ever replacing Swamiji. After two days Prabhupada said he would not call any of his Godbrothers to come and take care of his disciples. He said, ‘If this person speaks just one word different from what I am speaking, there will be great confusion among you.’ 

Actually, he said, the idea was an insult to the spiritual master." 

(21) SPL Dinadayala, Feb. 25, 1976: "I have instructed everything in my books." 

(22) SPL Satsvarupa, June 16, 1972: "I have given you everything, so read and speak from the books and so many new lights will come out. We have got so many books, so if we go on preaching from them for the next 1,000 years, there is enough stock. " 

(23) SPL Nitai July 14, 1976: "I have received reports that you have been developing the habit of going outside the temple to hear lectures by others outside like Nrsimhavallabha. Strictly nobody should go outside to hear lectures by others. If you are not satisfied by the calibre of the classes at the Krishna Balarama Mandir, then you should give another class, but you cannot go outside for hearing others' lectures. Kindly stop this habit immediately."

NARAYAN MAHARAJA ON ISKCON LEADERS AND DEVOTEES: 

(24) NM, B.C. Canada, May 2001: "Some of his (Srila Prabhupada's) sannyasis used to come to me, but where are they now? They were forbidden to continue hearing (from me) and properly understanding their gurudeva. If they will come again and serve their gurudeva, then they have a chance— otherwise not." 

(25) NM, B.C. Canada May 2001: "Though one may have taken initiation from Srila Swami Maharaja 30 years before, he may still be kanistha adhikari— not madyama. Otherwise, there would be no confusion or falling down. A pure devote can never fall down. This is the reason: they did not want to listen to anyone other than Srila Swami Maharaja, but they should listen to grow." 

(26) NM Australia Feb. 15, 2002: "If the guru is following all the principles of bhakti, if he is in the line of his gurudeva, if he is chanting and remembering but he is not learned enough to give you Krishna-tattva, then don't give him up. With honor for him, take his permission, and go with his permission to associate with exalted Vaishnavas. And, if he does not give permission, you can consider that he is also among the kan-gurus meant for being given up." 

(27) Datta das Letter to NM July 19, 1998: "You have said to at least one disciple (that I know of) of an ISKCON guru in good standing that he should take second initiation from you since it was necessary to receive the Gayatri mantra from a Maha-Bhagavat devotee; otherwise the mantra has no effect." 

(28) Did NM re-initiate ISKCON devotees? What follows is but a partial sampling of devotees who were initiated by ISKCON gurus in good standing but who have rejected their ISKCON guru and instead taken shelter of NM. Several of these devotees have personally informed their ISKCON guru that they have left him and have clearly stated that they have taken re-initiation from NM. 

-- Gopal Krishna Maharaja: Parasurama dasa, Parasara Muni dasa, Ramacandra dasa, Pavana dasa, Jayapataka Swami: Vicitra Vasini dasi, Satsvarupa: Navadvipa dasa, Narmada dasi, Jagannatha Krishna dasa, Indradyumna Maharaja: Abhaya Mudra dasi, Tamal Krishna Maharaja: Radhastami das Krishna das Swami: Ayodhyapati dasa Bir Krishna Goswami: Bhakti lata dd, Madhusevita das: Keli-parayana das, Mahalakshmi dd, Gaura-pournima dd Vipramukhya Swami: Syamananda dasa.

SP: So it [reinitiation] is deliberate transgression of Vaishnava etiquette and otherwise a deliberate insult to me. I do not know why he has done like this but no Vaishnava will approve of this offensive action." (SPL Hrsikesa March 1968)

IS A BONA FIDE GURU OMNISCIENT? NM CONTRADICTS SP’S TEACHINGS: 

(30) NM Germany Dec. 12, 2001: "Nowadays there are so many devotees who were personally following your Prabhupada, and by that they came in contact with this transcendental life. But now they are thinking that he was not sarvajna, not all knowing or omniscient. What was he? Foolish? Ignorant? 

You know in His boyhood, that Krishna performed so many pastimes in which he appeared like a totally ignorant boy. But that does not mean He is ignorant or that He is not omniscient. And, if He is omniscient, why should His associates not be so? They must be.” 

Jadurani dasi mentions gurukula child abuse, and NM says they are getting their karma? 

NM speaks about Prabhupada being omniscient and child abuse in ISKCON: "If those in the gurukula are not offensive they will get some good impressions, samskaras, in the heart—by sadhu-sanga. Srila Swami Maharaja knowingly did something like this for the gain of the whole world—the whole universe. He has given krpa, mercy, to all. 

Prabhupada did not do anything improper. He was sarvajna (all knowing), and he wanted to do good for all. It was not the fault of Prabhupada; it was fault of their bad karma of past births and also this birth. We should realize this. Although some are not realizing this, still he will help them. 

If those who attended gurukulas, who performed bad activities in past lives, had not come in contact with Srila Swami Maharaja—and instead of going to gurukula they had gone to any other school—the same karmic reaction would have come to them because of their past impressions. 

In fact, much, much worse things would have happened to them, and they would not have had the good opportunity to associate with a pure devotee — to receive prasada from his hand, to receive so much mercy from him, and to have the chance to take up devotional activities later on.” 

COMMENT: So NM says SP knew of the abuse but let it go on because it was their karma? 

(31) SPL Rupanuga July 3, 1968: "Yes, those twelve symptoms of the spiritual soul are correct, except for ‘all-knowing.' All-knowing it cannot be, but full of knowledge." 

(32) SPConv April 8, 1975: Jayadvaita: ...sometimes the acharya may seem to forget something or not to know something, so from our point of view, if someone has forgotten, that is... SP: No, no, no. Then... Jayadvaita: ...an imperfection. SP: That is not the. [...]. Then you do not understand. Acharya is not God, omniscient. He is servant of God. His business is to preach bhakti cult. That is acharya.