Torchlight Of Knowlege by Iskcon,Inc. (google.com)
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Kim Moller (Bhatka Torben / Ajit Krishna dasa etc.) is still saying that Srila Prabhupada is not the guru, because his disciples will be the guru. And Bhakti Vikas swami is one of these gurus. OK and BVKS is a big supporter of the molester messiahs project in Mayapur, and is an apologist for Bhakti Vidya Purna swami. Why can't these people get out of the molester messiah's camp in 45 years? ys pd
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Art by PADA
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Secret retreat of Radhanath Swami in Ukraine.
Dear devotees, please accept our obeisances. Glory to Srila Prabhupada!
Please do not post this information on social networks. And be sure to send urgently in local chats, in namahats, and to all devotees from small towns near yours.
We have another wonderful opportunity to communicate with exalted devotees.
A retreat with the participation of HH Radhanath Swami, HH Bhakti Vijnana Goswami, HG Achyuta Priya Prabhu and HG Madhavananda Prabhu will take place in Chernivtsi from 7 to 10 August.
The retreat will take place at the address: Chernivtsi, Heavenly Hundred str. 6, regional Chernivtsi Youth School
So, August 6 is the day of arrival and registration (on this day, according to tradition, we plan to distribute kichri all day), and August 11 is the departure.
Registration.
Registration.
This will not be a retreat only for the disciples of HH Radhanatha Swami or HH Bhakti Vijnana Goswami. We invite everyone to plunge into the atmosphere of kirtan, Krishna Katha and magnificent Prasad.
We need to understand how many devotees will come to this retreat, so we ask everyone who plans to come to register as soon as possible using this link:
https://forms.gle/QZbsWUanCaYWnNBq8
https://forms.gle/QZbsWUanCaYWnNBq8
For those who do not understand Ukrainian, all lectures will be duplicated into Russian and English. You will be able to hear this translation in the FM receiver. So if you need a translation, make sure that you have an FM receiver and headphones in your phone or just with you.
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Back To Prabhupada, Issue 75, Vol. 4, 2022
We have already comprehensively exposed the guru hoax and proven that Srila Prabhupada did not authorise his succession via GBC gurus, many times over. We can now report that it is also admitted by a GBC guru himself that they are indeed hoaxers as they are not in any case real gurus! All emphases added.
Follow Srila Prabhupada's books
GBC voted-in ISKCON guru HG Mahatma Dasa MAD explains how in ISKCON we can satisfy the spiritual master:
"Prabhupada is saying, "You just satisfy the spiritual master, your life will be perfect" [...] Prabhupada is getting very specific here, that it means pleasing the spiritual master, and, of course, for us in ISKCON that means our goal is to understand what Prabhupada wants, understand bhakti as he's given it in his books and follow it exactly." (MAD Lecture, 9/9/22)
1) To satisfy the spiritual master would obviously entail knowing what the spiritual master wants. But MAD admits that this entails knowing what Srila Prabhupada wants, which would mean that MAD is "unwittingly" admitting that it is Srila Prabhupada who is the spiritual master we must accept in ISKCON.
2) He further states that we must follow what Srila Prabhupada gives in his books "exactly".
We are not real gurus
Having stated that we must follow "exactly" what is in Srila Prabhupada's books, MAD had also admitted the day before in an initiation lecture – where he was claiming to act as a bona fide diksa guru by initiating disciples – that in these same books it states that:
"in The Nectar of Instruction it says, "Well, you know, unless you're an uttama-adhikari, you're not really, you know, you're not really a 'real guru'"
(MAD, Initiation Lecture, 8/9/22)
MAD is correct that in The Nectar of Instruction, it states that "One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari" (NoI, Verse 5). So, to follow Srila Prabhupada's books "exactly" as MAD claims we should, all those gurus who are not uttama-adhikaris should be rejected as not being "real" gurus. MAD accepts that this would mean all the GBC gurus such as himself, since he then goes on to admit that:
"but we never proposed to be the real thing."
Thus, MAD openly admits that the GBC gurus like himself are not real gurus. Indeed, they were not even meant to be! Which would then by default mean that it is Srila Prabhupada who is the real guru we should follow, which we also quoted MAD "unwittingly" admitting to in the last section.
Thus, according to his own statement that we should follow Srila Prabhupada's books exactly, it would mean that the GBC gurus are acting against Srila Prabhupada's teachings by acting as diksa gurus. Because, the diksa guru is a "real guru", and Srila Prabhupada has forbidden non-uttama-adhikaris to act as such diksa gurus, and MAD accepts that means the GBC gurus.
Fake order
To try to justify how GBC gurus could still be diksa gurus in spite of this instruction from Srila Prabhupada forbidding such unreal gurus, MAD then claims:
"but we never proposed to be the real thing. We're just asked to do this by Prabhupada, so what he says, we do, and our goal is just to help you get closer to Prabhupada, and then everything's good, right?"
(MAD, Initiation Lecture, 8/9/22)
Having already admitted that –
1) GBC gurus are not real gurus;
Back To Prabhupada, Issue 75, Vol. 4, 2022
We have already comprehensively exposed the guru hoax and proven that Srila Prabhupada did not authorise his succession via GBC gurus, many times over. We can now report that it is also admitted by a GBC guru himself that they are indeed hoaxers as they are not in any case real gurus! All emphases added.
Follow Srila Prabhupada's books
GBC voted-in ISKCON guru HG Mahatma Dasa MAD explains how in ISKCON we can satisfy the spiritual master:
"Prabhupada is saying, "You just satisfy the spiritual master, your life will be perfect" [...] Prabhupada is getting very specific here, that it means pleasing the spiritual master, and, of course, for us in ISKCON that means our goal is to understand what Prabhupada wants, understand bhakti as he's given it in his books and follow it exactly." (MAD Lecture, 9/9/22)
1) To satisfy the spiritual master would obviously entail knowing what the spiritual master wants. But MAD admits that this entails knowing what Srila Prabhupada wants, which would mean that MAD is "unwittingly" admitting that it is Srila Prabhupada who is the spiritual master we must accept in ISKCON.
2) He further states that we must follow what Srila Prabhupada gives in his books "exactly".
We are not real gurus
Having stated that we must follow "exactly" what is in Srila Prabhupada's books, MAD had also admitted the day before in an initiation lecture – where he was claiming to act as a bona fide diksa guru by initiating disciples – that in these same books it states that:
"in The Nectar of Instruction it says, "Well, you know, unless you're an uttama-adhikari, you're not really, you know, you're not really a 'real guru'"
(MAD, Initiation Lecture, 8/9/22)
MAD is correct that in The Nectar of Instruction, it states that "One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari" (NoI, Verse 5). So, to follow Srila Prabhupada's books "exactly" as MAD claims we should, all those gurus who are not uttama-adhikaris should be rejected as not being "real" gurus. MAD accepts that this would mean all the GBC gurus such as himself, since he then goes on to admit that:
"but we never proposed to be the real thing."
Thus, MAD openly admits that the GBC gurus like himself are not real gurus. Indeed, they were not even meant to be! Which would then by default mean that it is Srila Prabhupada who is the real guru we should follow, which we also quoted MAD "unwittingly" admitting to in the last section.
Thus, according to his own statement that we should follow Srila Prabhupada's books exactly, it would mean that the GBC gurus are acting against Srila Prabhupada's teachings by acting as diksa gurus. Because, the diksa guru is a "real guru", and Srila Prabhupada has forbidden non-uttama-adhikaris to act as such diksa gurus, and MAD accepts that means the GBC gurus.
Fake order
To try to justify how GBC gurus could still be diksa gurus in spite of this instruction from Srila Prabhupada forbidding such unreal gurus, MAD then claims:
"but we never proposed to be the real thing. We're just asked to do this by Prabhupada, so what he says, we do, and our goal is just to help you get closer to Prabhupada, and then everything's good, right?"
(MAD, Initiation Lecture, 8/9/22)
Having already admitted that –
1) GBC gurus are not real gurus;
2) And that Srila Prabhupada states that such persons should not be gurus
– MAD contradictorily states that Srila Prabhupada still ordered them to become diksa gurus anyway!
However, MAD does not provide any evidence for such an order from Srila Prabhupada. Indeed, one would not expect such an order to exist because Srila Prabhupada would not contradict his own teachings by authorising such fake, unreal, illusory gurus.
We were stupid and confused.
MAD explains how, as soon as Srila Prabhupada physically departed, Srila Prabhupada was replaced as ISKCON's diksa guru:
"even immediately, when Srila Prabhupada left, 11 people became gurus, and these, there were now 11 pure devotees in ISKCON, before there was only one. That's the way we thought, and you're looking at this thinking, "That's stupid, how could you think like that?" Well, we were confused. [...] when Prabhupada left, what we thought we knew, became confusing. [...] that was a big misunderstanding." (MAD Lecture, 9/9/22)
MAD describes how the 11 persons Srila Prabhupada had appointed as "rtviks" – via the 9/7/77 directive – gave up acting in that role by magically transmogrifying into 11 diksa guru "pure devotees". MAD admits that this episode was mired in "confusion" and "misunderstanding". Thus, since MAD admits they did not know what they were doing, they could not also have known that Srila Prabhupada definitely wanted the 11 rtviks to stop being rtviks and suddenly become "pure devotees".
– MAD contradictorily states that Srila Prabhupada still ordered them to become diksa gurus anyway!
However, MAD does not provide any evidence for such an order from Srila Prabhupada. Indeed, one would not expect such an order to exist because Srila Prabhupada would not contradict his own teachings by authorising such fake, unreal, illusory gurus.
We were stupid and confused.
MAD explains how, as soon as Srila Prabhupada physically departed, Srila Prabhupada was replaced as ISKCON's diksa guru:
"even immediately, when Srila Prabhupada left, 11 people became gurus, and these, there were now 11 pure devotees in ISKCON, before there was only one. That's the way we thought, and you're looking at this thinking, "That's stupid, how could you think like that?" Well, we were confused. [...] when Prabhupada left, what we thought we knew, became confusing. [...] that was a big misunderstanding." (MAD Lecture, 9/9/22)
MAD describes how the 11 persons Srila Prabhupada had appointed as "rtviks" – via the 9/7/77 directive – gave up acting in that role by magically transmogrifying into 11 diksa guru "pure devotees". MAD admits that this episode was mired in "confusion" and "misunderstanding". Thus, since MAD admits they did not know what they were doing, they could not also have known that Srila Prabhupada definitely wanted the 11 rtviks to stop being rtviks and suddenly become "pure devotees".
In other words, they misunderstood what they were supposed to be, so MAD cannot say they did not misunderstand what they were supposed to be (i.e. only rtviks)!
Hence, MAD can support neither that Srila Prabhupada was to be succeeded as ISKCON's diksa guru, nor that Srila Prabhupada ordered that he be replaced with gurus who were not "real". And so only the fact that neither MAD nor the other GBC gurus are "real" gurus – remains.
Conclusion
MAD is to be commended for admitting that the GBC gurus are not real and were not even meant to be. Thus, this means that the GBC guru system consists of fake gurus – since if you are not a "real" guru then by definition it means you are an unreal or fake guru.
But, MAD's idea that Srila Prabhupada actually contradicted the teachings he gave in his books – which MAD says must be followed "exactly" and which state that only real uttama-adhikari gurus should exist – by ordering fake gurus, is, well – MAD!
In addition, these fake gurus still insist on cheating by masquerading as if they are real gurus, and thus taking disciples from whom they demand absolute surrender and worship as if they are as good as God. A subject further developed in the next article.
Hence, MAD can support neither that Srila Prabhupada was to be succeeded as ISKCON's diksa guru, nor that Srila Prabhupada ordered that he be replaced with gurus who were not "real". And so only the fact that neither MAD nor the other GBC gurus are "real" gurus – remains.
Conclusion
MAD is to be commended for admitting that the GBC gurus are not real and were not even meant to be. Thus, this means that the GBC guru system consists of fake gurus – since if you are not a "real" guru then by definition it means you are an unreal or fake guru.
But, MAD's idea that Srila Prabhupada actually contradicted the teachings he gave in his books – which MAD says must be followed "exactly" and which state that only real uttama-adhikari gurus should exist – by ordering fake gurus, is, well – MAD!
In addition, these fake gurus still insist on cheating by masquerading as if they are real gurus, and thus taking disciples from whom they demand absolute surrender and worship as if they are as good as God. A subject further developed in the next article.
PADA: We did not know what we were doing, so we decided to make the holy dham an Auschwitz for kids program, and make a homosexual pedophile messiah's program, and ban, beat, molest, sue and kill people. And we are still harassing and banning people now. Any questions?
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