Your words are like a breath of fresh air. Thank you for writing and expressing the frustration and anger I am also feeling.
I can only write on behalf of myself but it is shocking to me that our own ISKCON India GBC men, not all, do not express the mood and vote of the India Temple President's. We are not represented to the GBC, rather the GBC uses them to divide us. It is a shame.
It is these few India GBC that are splitting ISKCON and dividing the Bureau. It's my own opinion and I agree, no good will come of it. It is the beginning of a downward path. Next is gay marriage, already started and LGBT people becoming Temple President's.
And it is our ISKCON India GBC who will become famous for letting it happen. They say India has Indian Culture and West has Western Culture but we know the Indian culture is Vedic culture and western culture is demoniac culture.
The preachers in the west have become lazy to preach to their own kind and target the Indian community because they are pious. They are happy with
their mainstream middle class lifestyles and can't make brahmacaris.
It is very clear from Prabhupadas discussions and letters and from sastric
reference, that in extreme circumstance a woman may become a guru but it is
an exception. Therefore the requirement is, only when you find a woman who
is on the trancendental self realised platform, when there is no debate.
The rule is, no women gurus but there may be an exception. This resolution
makes the exception into the general rule.
It is a sad day, so again thank you. Let us take solace that Lord Krishna is in control and pray to the Lord to save us.
Your servant pancaratna dasa
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2021, 04:48 Dr. Sameer Chaturvedi USA,
chaturvediusadrsameer@gmail.com> wrote:
Dearest Maharaj and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Firstly i have lived long enough in North America and have seen the zonal acharya crash down. The recent developments of the “Female” Diksha guru has been very much in the making, we could see this coming.
The recent handling of “HH Lokanath Swami” issue was used just for this purpose. To degrade Indians. Both Malati and Anuttama have called Indian “Uncles rapists”, why target only india? Why not Arab countries? The goal is clear it’s to destroy the word “Vedic”. Here is a link to the video which i found in a facebook group which i follow created by some supporters of HH Lokanath Swami.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/dharmasamvad/permalink/489545895695702/
Watch the full interview here : I have set it to the exact point here.
https://youtu.be/KcBiNsBXOTM
The preaching in North America had almost collapsed after the great fall of “Zonal Acharyas” in the late 80’s and 90’s. This led to the Gujarati exodus to Swaminarayan and away from iskcon. Then the tech revolution brought many > Indians who are eventually maintaining the temples.
Ritwiks and other sampradaya groups now have a firm foothold in North America and with this decision almost like a zonal acharya confusion will lead to other groups taking advantage and leaving iskcon for sure. At Least traditional Indians with proper families would like to separate from this system.
The main reason Kalakanta says to spread in a massive way but tell me which female “Gurvi” is anywhere famous like Radhanath Swami or even Kadamba Kanana D for that matter here in North America? That as soon as this
decision will be implemented millions will rush to get initiated.
In order to make this decision Kalakanta and Anuttama had to say “We are not Vedic”, they had to label Indians as fanatics just like Krishna west.
But what I would like to say here is that this implementation will give a strategic advantage to all other sampradayas in NA and instead of iskcon for sure they will take initiation from everywhere else. Just look at Vaisheshika, not one single western body is cultivated in the Mountain view temple. When such a charismatic devotee cannot attract any serious following, I mean his wife is technically called “Guruma” and she dosen’t have a massive following either.
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021, 04:48 Dr. Sameer Chaturvedi USA,
chaturvediusadrsameer@gmail.com> wrote:
Dearest Maharaj and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Firstly i have lived long enough in North America and have seen the zonal acharya crash down. The recent developments of the “Female” Diksha guru has been very much in the making, we could see this coming.
The recent handling of “HH Lokanath Swami” issue was used just for this purpose. To degrade Indians. Both Malati and Anuttama have called Indian “Uncles rapists”, why target only india? Why not Arab countries? The goal is clear it’s to destroy the word “Vedic”. Here is a link to the video which i found in a facebook group which i follow created by some supporters of HH Lokanath Swami.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/dharmasamvad/permalink/489545895695702/
Watch the full interview here : I have set it to the exact point here.
https://youtu.be/KcBiNsBXOTM
The preaching in North America had almost collapsed after the great fall of “Zonal Acharyas” in the late 80’s and 90’s. This led to the Gujarati exodus to Swaminarayan and away from iskcon. Then the tech revolution brought many > Indians who are eventually maintaining the temples.
Ritwiks and other sampradaya groups now have a firm foothold in North America and with this decision almost like a zonal acharya confusion will lead to other groups taking advantage and leaving iskcon for sure. At Least traditional Indians with proper families would like to separate from this system.
The main reason Kalakanta says to spread in a massive way but tell me which female “Gurvi” is anywhere famous like Radhanath Swami or even Kadamba Kanana D for that matter here in North America? That as soon as this
decision will be implemented millions will rush to get initiated.
In order to make this decision Kalakanta and Anuttama had to say “We are not Vedic”, they had to label Indians as fanatics just like Krishna west.
But what I would like to say here is that this implementation will give a strategic advantage to all other sampradayas in NA and instead of iskcon for sure they will take initiation from everywhere else. Just look at Vaisheshika, not one single western body is cultivated in the Mountain view temple. When such a charismatic devotee cannot attract any serious following, I mean his wife is technically called “Guruma” and she dosen’t have a massive following either.
95% of initiated devotees are Indians in North America and that will also be split for sure. More anti-indian stances and talks are taking place, Even in the Dc temple the tension between Indians and Anuttama is palpable. Anuttama doesn’t
realize or rather dosen’t care the impact in the Indian bodied devotees when they recklessly say we are not “Vedic” or “Indian”. He known very well in heart that “He has to criticize vedic culture” to implement “FDG”, that clearly shows that this system is not sanctioned anywhere in the scripture and they are implementing this for practicality.
realize or rather dosen’t care the impact in the Indian bodied devotees when they recklessly say we are not “Vedic” or “Indian”. He known very well in heart that “He has to criticize vedic culture” to implement “FDG”, that clearly shows that this system is not sanctioned anywhere in the scripture and they are implementing this for practicality.
The next generation here in America from Jay Krishna das, (TP NV) (Who treats indians like slaves) or Deva Madhava (who called Mahaprabhu a transgender on facebook for his post on LGBT) or Madana Gopala das from NJ are indoctrinated to hate Vedic culture and fight aggressively to implement FDG. This desire to criticize
“Vedas” “Indians” “Vedic Culture” says all about what they want to implement, A system not in line with the vedas and for sure even without asking for it they will get the reactions from Vedas or the Vedic “Indian” people.
“Vedas” “Indians” “Vedic Culture” says all about what they want to implement, A system not in line with the vedas and for sure even without asking for it they will get the reactions from Vedas or the Vedic “Indian” people.
Maybe they are also at a breaking point wanting to separate from india and Indians. Maybe its good these americans will separate from Indians in America (from all of us) and from india itself and they can criticize Indians to their hearts content. Just as the Zonal acharya system created chaos leading to a massive blow to iskcon in NA, this I am sure will be worse.
When he says we are not vedic , Anuttama meant we are not bonafide so what
we do whimsically is fine, Its not fine. Its now my retirement age when I want to dedicate my millions and time. Its time for ISKCON india to go global not by degrading but by upgrading vedic culture.
I will be happy to sponsor any activities of the iskcon india ICC independent of this NA GBC. YS, Dr. Sameer Chaturvedi, USA.
we do whimsically is fine, Its not fine. Its now my retirement age when I want to dedicate my millions and time. Its time for ISKCON india to go global not by degrading but by upgrading vedic culture.
I will be happy to sponsor any activities of the iskcon india ICC independent of this NA GBC. YS, Dr. Sameer Chaturvedi, USA.
[PADA: Lokanath swami is voted into the GBC's illicit sex guru program, and he has molested a young girl -- and I know his victim. I don't see how Lokanath's program is any better than the NA GBC's "female diksha gurus." That the GBC is now losing more credibility among their main cash cow supporting Hindus is simply karma unfolding.
They are not bona fide -- and they will continue to lose support more and more and more. And yes, the ritviks will increase, because at least they know we have to worship a pure devotee and not various voted in hodge podge conditioned souls. The GBC guru system is in melt down mode. And it has been for quite some time, it is just increasing more each day -- because the entire foundation of their 11 appointed gurus was false from day one and square one. ys pd]
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Hare Krishna
Please accept my humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
On December 25th, ECs of all the committees in India and other senior
Bureau members (a total of 29 devotees) met and decided to call for an
emergency ICC meeeting to discuss GBC's authorization of Female Diksa Guru
system in ISKCON, ignoring all the objections raised so far.
Hence the call for this meeting!
ISKCON ICC inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
Topic: ICC Emergency meeting
Time: Dec 28, 2021 06:00 PM Mumbai, Kolkata, New Delhi
Join Zoom Meeting
ISKCON ICC inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
Topic: ICC Emergency meeting
Time: Dec 28, 2021 06:00 PM Mumbai, Kolkata, New Delhi
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81391210814?pwd=ZllUV2dWV0RRYysvTjUvdi9uMWhkQT09
Meeting ID: 813 9121 0814
Passcode: 787644
NOTE:-
Due to security concerns, no participant will be allowed unless he / she
switches on his / her video and display his / her name and yatra!
Thank you
Yours
ICC Team
Meeting ID: 813 9121 0814
Passcode: 787644
NOTE:-
Due to security concerns, no participant will be allowed unless he / she
switches on his / her video and display his / her name and yatra!
Thank you
Yours
ICC Team
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