PADA NOTE: This is NOT ISKCON Bangalore and their affiliates. This is ISKCON head quarters in West Bengal. ys pd
PADA: Supposedly, 160 guys. Anyway here are some of them:
PADA: Basu Ghosha says their GBC's gurus (acharyas) have made -- many mistakes -- in the past. And his sum total of the demigods messiahs are -- making many more mistakes now. And no doubt their acharyas will -- make many more mistakes in future. Right, acharyas are defective blundering fools, because they are Krishna's successors, who knew!
OK so they are establishing that God's guru successors, parampara members, messiahs from heaven, Krishna's "shaksat hari" (qualitatively same as God) gurus -- are defective mundane conditioned beings. This is one of the ten offenses to the holy name, to consider the guru is an ordinary / defective / mundane man. They are gurus, but they are ALSO ordinary mundane conditioned souls. One of the people in their video even says "we are all conditioned souls." OK then you are not -- gurus.
In fact, this is called the mad elephant offense, to consider the guru is an ordinary man. Gurusuh narah matih ... narakah sah. Anyone who considers guru is ordinary is -- a resident of narakah (hell). Srila Prabhupada actually says these thinkers are ALREADY residing in hell. So if the acharyas are defective, why not also attribute pedophile behavior to the acharyas? As they are doing!
Then Basu Ghosh says that the people who are opposing child molesting are "liberals." What? Child molesting is not a conservative or liberal issue. Everyone agrees it is wrong -- whatever their political position is -- or is not. If anything, allowing children to worship molesters as their acharyas is a very loose standard. This is not acceptable in anyone's household.
Then they say that the people who oppose them are their "enemies." So we need to make enemies out of the people who do not worship molesters as acharyas? Then they say ISKCON will lose tremendously, but ISKCON already has lost out tremendously -- with tons and tons of guru fall downs, public scandals, all sorts of cover ups, molesting, suicides, assassinations, lawsuits, terrible medias and so on and so forth.
"We don't want to be ritviks." But a person who is voted in, voted out, suspended, censured, censored, reformed, monitored for deviations, excommunicated etc., is already acting as a priest and not a guru. A conditioned soul priest is subject to all these regulations under a committee, but a bona fide guru is never subject to the rulings of a committee.
Then they are saying that this type of child molesting is not a crime in the USA, and thus the police would never have arrested Lokanath for these actions. Sorry, touching a young girl -- is -- a crime in the USA, and in almost every other place on earth. Maybe they have run out the clock of "statute of limitations." This is making a mockery of USA molesting laws. Such laws exist, and these laws exist for people like Lokanath. He was not taken to law enforcement, that is the first problem.
Then they are attacking the journalists who forwarded the issue, which is what criminal dictatorships do. Anyway, this is not going well for them. They think that gurus are ordinary, mundane men, and not only that -- acharyas are also potentially child molesters. And then they are worried about "the reputation of ISKCON"? What about the reputation of -- Krishna and His acharyas? Of course some are now saying we are "against India people, ummm nope. We have many folks in India who are on our side.
Anyway, this is the result of saying that conditioned souls are Krishna's successors since 1978. Srila Prabhupada is Krishna's successor, they are not. Now these ICC folks think, we will pass another bogus committee resolution and everyone will accept. Ummm, nope.
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MORE TROUBLE IN RIVER CITY:
M Dasi: Oh no. We would not want us cranky women to be making comments. Our liberal feminist women need to shut up ... so they can roll out their pedophile gurus ... without us making obstruction. Are you kidding me?
ReplyDeleteThey want us to have our children worship pedophiles ... and we need to "just accept." How many times they said that ... just accept prabhu. Why should we "just accept" such utter nonsense. And these are the "shastra advisory committee" for ISKCON. What kind of shastra is that?
This is getting beyond ridiculous. Our liberal feminists are the problem ... their pedophile gurus are not the problem. And what about burying pedophiles ... in samadhi. I forgot ... we women are not supposed to mention that .... just accept prabhu. Maybe we are done with just accepting?
RSD: It is only three or four people? They really mean to say ... it is three or four billion people ... who read about their $400,000,000 child molesting problem in the news. Most people ALREADY know this Lokanath swami is a member of a pedophile guru cult.
ReplyDeleteHow can they think four billion people is four people. They are delusional. It all comes down to ... we have a good bogus guru business going on here ... we are all making money ... don't get in our way. It is bad for business. They are business people and not sadhus. They are only worried about how their business is affected ... not how the victims are affected. Gurus are not "making mistakes" either ... especially not like these bogus ones.
PADA: Yes mother S. We are indirectly VERY blessed to be born as mlecchas in the West. We know for starters -- that the successors to God have to be as pure as God and Jesus. Square one point.
ReplyDeleteThe guy who is trying to put his hands on little girls ... ok he is not the successor to God. We knew that when we were like -- I dunno -- ten years old probably. These guys are allegedly "Bharat Varsha" adults, scholars, pandits, sannyasis, learned in shastra, brahmanas, Vedic Rishis, ok supposedly at least, but they have no idea what we knew when we were ten years old. They have become corrupted by personal motivation.
They want something from ISKCON ... so they joined with the exploiters because they are themselves exploiters. And that is why they are brain dead on the issue of pedophile acharyas. They cannot figure it out because -- figuring it out would end their lucrative cash cow business. I think you are right ... most of this has to do with cash flow -- and has nothing to do with Guru Tattva Siddhanta.
Very sad. Yes, I believe you are right -- money is a big part of the issue. A lot of these guys had nothing in India. All of a sudden they have access to lots of cash, nice opulent facility, nice cars, servants, maha plates, Apple laptops, and they go crazy engorging themselves on the exploiting of ISKCON. Thus, no mercy for the victims of their cash cow business. I think you nailed it.
LD: I hear this all the time. Sure the guru for our zone is bad. But he is not as bad as ... the guru over there ... for the other zone. That means we are lucky campers to have our guru over here! He is only somewhat bad ... but not as bad as the other ones.
ReplyDeleteThis is like buying a used car. Sure this car looks bad ... runs bad ... but it is not as bad as the other cars on the lot! So we are free to "choose our guru." And we get to choose ... pretty bad, worse than pretty bad, really really bad, or downright awful! Which one are you going to be lucky enough to select!
They don't get it do they? We are not supposed to have to choose between this bad guru ... or the other bad guru ... they are supposed to give us the right guru straight away ... at the start. No. That would be the ritvik idea.
Now they say Lokanath did more than the other guys. I agree ... he held together their pedophile guru program more than many of the others. When the pedophile guru ship was sinking ... he bailed it out to keep it floating on. He did more than the others! Wait! we are not supposed to bail out a pedophile guru ship ... and keep it floating. Why don't they know this?
R Dasi: Really disappointed. Already India society has a bad reputation ... for over lusty men "eve-teasing," staring at the ladies, stalking, and touching, and worse. I get all sorts of creepy "India men" on my social medias giving me disgustingness.
ReplyDeleteWe all see stories of India rapes and cover ups and ... attacking the victims etc. Some victims commit suicide and ... same type things happens to ISKCON children. Lokanath people think that his touching a young girl is "a cultural thing"? Wrong message. Malati asks about "this a cultural thing" ... and they attack her and not Lokanath. Even more disgusting. She shows their hypocrisy ... and she is the problem maker.
They are the same as disgusting creeps that send me creepy messages already. We know what they are really all about. At least now we can save others from getting into their Satanic hands. These people are the rotten root of the whole rotten ISKCON problem. At least now we see their faces. They are defending .... that which should never be defended.
I am so disgusted ... they are making pretend they are defending India's heritage culture ... then doing everything to make the worst image of India's culture. Anywhere. Why anyone would make a child touching creep as "Krishna's guru successor" .... unless they hate Krishna? No one ever answers my question. That is why none of them talk to us ... they cannot answer us. We don't need them to answer. We all know the answer ... they are making child touching creeps Krishna's guru successor ... because they are low class asuras who hate Krishna.