Delhi High Court / ISKCON Abuser Named / Anuttama 05 20

PADA: The High Court acharyas. Even the court said this is frivolous and using the courts for ego fighting. The Delhi High Courts are very expensive, now you know why there has been not enough money for shoes, food, soap etc. for the gurukula children. 

Ambarish says he is monitoring the situation there, is this a good example, trying to put the directors of a free food for children program in jail and wasting tons of money in the High Court? And wasn't this person who filed the case, i.e. Jagadirtha  later named as a child abuser? What is going on here? Lots of comments being posted about this, almost all of them totally disgusted with ISKCON Mayapura's position. ys pd 

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ABUSER'S NAME REVEALLED

Due to public demand, I will name the person who physically, mentally and sexualy abused the children at the ISKCON Gurukula of New Varshana farm community, Auckland, New Zealand.

The man to be named was unremitting in his career of abuse, both whilst positioned as boys gurukula ashram teacher, and whilst positioned, later, as temple pujari. His tenure as boy's ashram teacher is a litany of abuse on top of abuse, seasoned with abuse and served with a side dish of abuse.
In other words, the man was a monster.

He kicked little boys full-force in the genitals, smashed their heads against window and door frames, twisted their ears to the point of tearing, and created a general atmosphere of terror in the ashram.

He was also a peadophile who targeted the gurukula girls, living right next door. (there are a number of untold stories). From what I know, the gurukula headmaster, Bhava Dasa, was aware of his peadophilia from an early stage, but after it became too overt, he had him transferred to Pujari service.

But then it bacame even more overt and he was shipped off to Australia. His devotee name Vanamali Dasa and his legal name is Bruce Merrett. (Thanks to you who recently got in touch with his legal name)

UD: Thank you for speaking up. The last I heard he was working in some child care centre ... gardener or something.

MK: Wow, this looks then like a quality horror movie script.

DB: Well that's one place he should not be working in, and the centre should be notified immediately. How do you think the parents of the children in that daycare centre would feel about all of this. I am more than happy to contact the centre if anyone can give me the address.

UD: I was told this many years ago and was not given specific details. I don't know that he is still there. I read somewhere a few days ago that he is in back in Mayapur.

DD: Yes he was in Mayapur, I saw him at the airport on my way home. He has retired from work. I had absolutely no idea about all of his sickening behaviour and now feel really sorry for his gentle wife. This is awful.

GG: Oh yeah. This man is a pedophile. I got an idea! Let us send him to Mayapura. Then he can congregate at the pedophile's funhouse for children's clubhouse, and they can discuss strategy how to continue without being arrested.

UD: Shame on the Sydney temple authorities of that time who allowed him into our community. I was told he also abused an English devotee's very young child (baby) in NZ. But I only heard about this some time after the Sydney temple authorities had moved him into our apartment when he first moved over from NZ. My son was only three at the time. They then moved him in with another devotee family ... they also had a very young son.

NA: I spoke with my father about Vanamali today Gadadhara. He was the one who dragged V to the mtg with the TP at the time, and was witness to all the meetings. He said that both he & J wanted to call the police, but ultimately the decision was made by the parents of the kids involved. Vanamali admitted to the abuse but didn't apologise or face criminal charges for crimes once. If you ever wanted more info, my father would have it.

AD: Parents not calling the police, so he can be moved to another location and start his business again. Terrible idea!

PA: When you look at him, he appears like a saintly person, with a soft demeanour. Who would have thought, if they weren't told... sick to the bones. I did like his wife, she was kind and devoted to Krsna. We did kirtan together. What a Karma to have such a husband.

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THE ABHORRENT CONDUCT OF ANUTTAMA DAS

Lately, we have all heard of what can only be decribed as ISKCON'S atrocious industrial scale child abuse program and its consequent well planed cover up scenarios.

We were all subjected to painful, disingenuous, crocodile tear apology letters by the leaders who got exposed in this all pervasive cover up program, proclaiming their ignorance and innocence. Promising that from now on they will all do better.
Well, sadly even after all the latest sickening expose's and empty promises, their devious covert actions behind the scenes continue.

The latest individual is crooked, consummate ISKCON politician Anuttama das.
Recently there were NEW testimonies of numerous girls detailing Sri Radhe dd abuse, submitted to CPO.

For some strange reason, Anuttama das decided that it was a good idea to personally interfere with the case and side with the accused. Due to his sentimental personal relationship with Sri Radhe and her husband Madhava Gauranga he is doing everything in his power to help the accused party.

I was told that privately, he is being encouraged by other supporters of Sri Radhe in ISKCON high places to stop a new investigation.

We also know that Bhakti Purushottam Swami is currently touring America.
After reviewing all the available information, the devotees from the local CPT team in Philadelphia decided to cancel BPS's visit to their temple. Yet again the same arrogant Anuttama stepped in mis-using his authority and instructed them to allow him visit.

With regards to BPS the fact is, that there are serious and credible allegations of sexual abuse and financial misconduct. Until and unless these allegations are thoroughly investigated by a credible, and qualified team, that can either confirm or put them to rest, his name will remain tainted. Devotees are feeling uneasy about associating with him and attending his programs.

ISKCON is calming and proclaiming that its leaders do not meddle in CPO activities and How CPO is completely independent to freely investigate all abuse claims perpetrated in ISKCON. Yet here they are doing it all over again.
These are not Anuttama's first and only times that he is putting his creepy fingers to tip the scale of justice. He did it with Gauri's and Laxmimoni cases as well. These cases are the ones we know about, yet how many more are there that we don't know of, one can only wonder.

I'm writing this letter in hopes that ISKCON devotee community at large will contact Anuttama das and other ISKCON leaders, demanding that Anuttama ceases and desists with this dirty meddling in CPO affairs.

Let us make sure the CPO is truly able to investigate all allegations of abuse, freely, without coercion and intimidation by the hands of nefarious individuals within ISKCON authority, like Anuttama.

Let us make sure that innocent victims, like the victims of Sri Radhe, get the justice that they truly deserve.

Gopinath dasa

ISKCON's Lokanath Ban Upheld / Isan VS PADA 05 19

ISKCON Europe Upholds Ban on Lokanath May 19, 2023 

Euro RGB Statement Regarding Lokanath Swami Status in Europe Having received feedback and requests from some members of our European devotee community, the Euro RGB body set forth to review and discuss the previous resolution made regarding Lokanath Swami (22/09-03). 

To this end, the Euro RGB body spent a considerable amount of time in meetings discussing the issue, we invited guests to present and also thoroughly reviewed the GBC statement on this matter. Some lessons learned include: better communications, more representation and consideration of the needs of the greater devotee community in such matters. 

To this end we are trying to be more effective as an RGB body. For example, seven new members were elected to the Euro RGB at this meeting to increase the representation and current members were encouraged to improve communications with local leaders. The Euro RGB body has been invested with the right to make a decision based on the input that we have been given and thus after much intense discussion, have concluded that it is in the best interest and needs of a majority of our community to uphold and support the previous Euro RGB body decision which reads as follows: 

Resolution 22/09-03 Based on the ‘GBC decision regarding Lokanath Swami’ approved on July 20th, 2022, the Euro RGB body is requesting Lokanath Swami not to visit, preach or initiate in ISKCON projects and communities in Europe. 

This resolution is not permanent and may change, especially if the GBC body is presented with new evidence and their decision is altered, otherwise the Euro RGB will not review this decision again. It should also be noted that the Euro RGB is making no statement or declaration which has not already been stated in GBC documentation. 

We do acknowledge the impact this decision will have on devotees across our European community and the rest of the world. Therefore, we wish to offer support and encouragement to those affected by this challenging and faith-testing situation. We sincerely pray that we are all able to take shelter of the Supreme Lord, His Holy Name and together cross over these challenging times. 

Yours in Service The Euro RGB EC 

Krishna Premarupa dasa 

Jai Nitai dasa 

Trilokatma dasa 

On behalf of the Euro RGB

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PADA: Yep boys and girls. Molesters, drunks, deviants, criminals, porno swamis and predators etc. are probably, most likely, OK just guessing here -- NOT God's successors. I know, big controversy ain't it? ys pd

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Always the same thing?

This is all from "the past."

Today is ... the past?

Well yep, in the psycho ward it is!

ISAN VS PADA

PADA: Thanks for allowing me on your forum prabhu. Acyutananda left because he wrote me nasty letters in the past telling me to take his writings down off my site, when he said that our Prabhupadanuga idea is bogus because we need a living guru. And he has plenty of deviant living gurus on hand for us evidently.

Isan was totally rude and kept cutting me AND YOU off, and hogging the whole show. Total oblivion on how he looks to others. Anyone else who speaks he cuts them off, even you, because he is another GBC clone head. Isan acts just like Tamal, cut them off and hog the discussion. He is another all too typical Hare Krishna. 

Thousands of children are being molested, devotees being beaten and taken out, Prabhupada's books suffering a hatchet job, fine -- does not affect me, not my problem etc. Heard that 100,000 times already. He is a cult person. Arjuna argued that it will not affect me, sorry it will. The people who enabled this will be held accountable, no question. Many of them already are, has no one noticed the cancer epidemic going on among the "goody two shoes" mob?

He is living in a dream bubble that does not exist in reality. He also cut you off about the complaints of statements in Srila Prabhupada's books, which is an agenda, and he said "what agenda"? He is thus clueless about any of the ongoing events. Meanwhile, he admits he "has not read the materials." 

And worse "this does not affect me." The ISKCON house is on fire, and it does not affect you, because you don't give a pile of horse manure what happens to your own religion and its members. Thus he does not want to listen to the people who have studied the books controversy issue, includes you. 

OK typical ISKCON-esque arrogance, you are wrong and I am right, and I know already, without taking the time to study the materials. That means he does not want to find out what the problem is. 

And he is clueless because he DOES NOT LISTEN. He is another arrogant guy who does not have any feelings for anything other than "my spiritual life," and not the molested kids, the changed books, the poison issue, or anything or anyone else. Just himself. Self centered. Narcissistic psychopath. I. ME. MINE. 

And Krishna is doing all this? Ummm, no. Krishna allows the bank to be robbed, but He is not the bank robber Himself? He allows animals to be slaughtered and so many things, but to say "Krishna is doing all this" is foolish. Yep. Krishna allows sinful people to act sinfully, but that means -- the sinners are doing these sinful things and He is simply a by-standing witness. This makes all crimes, the fault of Krishna? OK that means Isan is blaming Krishna for the horrible things of this world. So then, he does not have to work to contain the sins going on in ISKCON.

Same things we dealt with for years. Well prabhu there is a problem with the children, the books, the poison complaint, etc. and the answer is almost always the same "yeah but are you chanting your rounds"? This is cult speak.

He is one reason why I have been going on TV, I needed to expose all this. These people are a dangerous, uncaring, unloving and self centered cult people, and that is why so many kids were molested, I was almost taken out, Srila Prabhupada said he is being poisoned and so on and so forth, and Isan says -- "we should see them as pure spirit souls and love them." 

Well fine, he can love the molester messiahs club, the poisoners of pure devotee's club, the book changer club etc, I don't. And never will. But I was glad to see for myself what goes on here, but I am done with all of that.

The people who argued with me, suppressed me, and thereby caused all the molesting, banning, beating, Sulochan's departure, and the worship of the poisoners of pure devotees as messiahs etc. As for me chewing the chewed, there are still major problems with ISKCON kids going on now, worshiping deviants now, changed books now, our people being banned now, and etc. These are current issues. Even recently someone asked a temple authority a few questions, and he was booted out the door. 

I know, today's news is always all old news, this is a cult. And frankly, I am glad I am exposing it. The final straw was when Isan said my making people worship Prabhupada is "wasting my time." That figures. He is with the regime, because they say the same thing. Anyway today was another learning lesson for me. Glad I now know.

Haribol. ys pd 

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Ex-Bhakti Vikas Swami Follower Writes + Ritvik initiation VIDEO 05 19

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OM

One doesn't need a female diksha guru, but one also doesn't need a rubber-stamped institutional guru either. I'm an ex-disciple of BVKS, was twice initiated, went to India and I also lived 5 years in local temple under a KGB style survelliance-type-state community, all BVKS' henchmen.

The only thing that BVKS is successful at is ... colouring the eyes of his followers with apparently "pukha" conservative attitude and scratching the surface of various deviations. To be perfectly frank, if BVKS had true faith in Krsna and Srila Prabhupada, and belief in his own spiritual strength, he should simply avoid the GBC as asat sanga (which it definitely is) and just be a guru off his own bat. I was like "Be a man, BVKS. Be bold. Don't hide behind these fools."

If he did so, that would show that he has some integrity. To see him experiencing all these mundane emotions such as fear and anxiety is a sign of weakness (BVKS lecture video: Dreaming of entering the Dhama). The fact that he is scared of losing his artificial status as an 'ISKCON guru' is embarrassing, especially for a 'sannyasi.' A sannyasi should be fearless!!

PADA: Yes, BVKS says he feels anxiety facing the GBC's guru sabha in Mayapur. I forgot, Mayapur is managed by his sannyasa guru Jayapataka, where mass child abuse has been going on. If BVKS feels anxiety going there, what about all the kids that have been being abused there? Why doesn't BVKS defend them? He does not want to go there himself -- but hey -- you can send your kids there to get beat with bamboo sticks, and maybe get raped, not BVKS' problem! 

Other people, kids included, have to go there and experience Auschwitz for kids, but I get in and out as soon as possible! Its your karma is you are stoopid enough to go there, even if you are five years old.

So, one wonders: why does BVKS not just tell the GBC to hit the road themselves and just be a guru to his own diciples? What has he got to lose? Membership of "ISKCON"? If he leaves, does that mean he still can't be a guru in his own world? Then he'll be free! All he has to lose is the rubber stamp and all the benefits that come from that membership.

A sign of spiritual advancement is that one realizes one does not require to be a "member in good standing" of an institution to make spiritual progress. Does BVKS not understand that?

PADA: Yes, anyone who supports their pedophile messiah's project is in good standing, and those of us who do not -- get the boots in face treatment.

Additionally, as guru in "ISKCON", BVKS is required to not criticize the GBC and to accept them totally, in order to maintain one's status as guru. So, what self-respecting person would ever do such a thing? Do we think that Srila Prabhupada would have simply become a Gaudiya Math guru, rubber stamped by his godbrothers? Of course not. That's not what true Vaisnavas are like - they are bold, courageous, renounced and fearless. The exact opposite of what BVKS has become.

What we are seeing with BVKS is the price one pays for selling your soul to the GBC to get that rubber stamp - mundane fear, stress, anxiety and so on. He's made a prison for himself due to his desires for artificial position.

One devotee friend has been in Mayapur once when BVKS was also present. He saw him bowing down, paying danadavats to all these people he criticizes. It's disgusting, especially since BVKS preaches one thing, but acts in another way to appease these crooks. Where's his dignity, self-respect, honesty, lack of hypocrisy? He may talk big big words, but when it comes down to it, he's a member of the cabal. 

When BVKS sees Ravanatha next time, he will bow down again. That is 100% absolutely going to happen. That shows his true colors. He's just trying to protect his subtle sense grat and enjoy 'playing as a guru.' He's certainly no real warrior or man. He's actually a coward and a hypocrite. It looks like you have also understood some of these facts.

Ultimately, "ISKCON" should be completely rejected, if one at all wants to follow Srila Prabhupada. It cannot be reformed. It will never be reformed. It is not meant to be reformed. It exists because there will always be a class of people in Kali Yuga who want what "ISKCON" offers - a cheating religion.

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura has already explained this in 'Organized Religion' - required reading for those who don't want to be confused about "ISKCON's" demise and understand what and why this goes on.

If Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura and Srila Prabhupada could not save their own institutions from destruction by demons, then who do we think WE are? it's simply pride to think we can ever 'reform' the fabricated so-called "ISKCON".

We are not greater that these two personalities.

Institutionalized religion is finished. It is ALL asat sanga and should be avoided. That's the first step.

Trying to reform "ISKCON" is time wasted. If Ravanatha is removed, or even the entire GBC is removed, there are simply 1000 ambitious ambitious fools to replace them, as that is what the people currently involved in "ISKCON" essentially desire (and probably subconsciously, for most of the congregation). They will NEVER want to be controlled or ruled by independently thoughtful people, as that is not what "ISKCON" is about. 

It is a materialistic corporation hell bent on material advancement, gross and subtle. The congregation demands and get the leaders that reflects their internal values/morals. They vote in their own crooked mates. That's what organized religion does.

PADA: OM now follows Kailasa chandra and says to me that there is no need to have trained and initiated brahmanas doing deity pooja in Krishna's temples because "some people will do the pooja." What people? Sorry, we cannot have just any "people" doing the pooja, we are supposed to have trained brahmanas who know the standards, system, gayatri prayers and other prayers etc. 

Srila Prabhupada never said that we should stop having trained brahmanas and hand off the deity pooja to assorted and unqualified "some people." We are supposed to have trained people, I forgot, Kailasa is not training anyone in deity pooja. 

He just says go find some assorted "some people" and have them worship Krishna. And that is how Kailasa gets deities stuck into sheds where someone is drinking vodka and leaving their dirty underwear, vodka bottles, and Jimmy Hendrix music CDS strewn about. That is the result of his "some people" taking care of the deity. 

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Also, this is another message to OM:

PADA: I never said that the Berkeley cows were sent to slaughter, I said that the situation was not made clear to the Berkeley temple devotees, or to me or anyone else here, for years. We were all left in the dark. As for Eric Johanson, he admits he was calling me and Sulochana fringies, which is why Sulochana said -- these guys (like Eric Johanson) are painting a bull's eye on me. Calling us fringies is why he was targeted, and then he was gone. 

I also said that you people are saying we are worshiping Srila Prabhupada, who is our guru "in absentia," i.e. he is absent, and that is clearly mayavada. And to say I am a liar makes no sense, when I am quoting yourselves. The ritviks went after the molesting, while Kailasa was writing papers for the molester gangsters regime, that is simply what happened. It is not a lie, and we can produce witnesses. 

And Kailasa has wrote papers for GBC's sycophant Rocana, for years together. Also easily provable. Whenever you want to answer the actual points, let me know, name calling is going nowhere. It is what the GBC people are doing. ys pd

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Bangalore ISKCON's "Stolen Bus" Lawsuit Ends / ETC. 05 18

Young Radha and Krishna

Art by PADA

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JD: I think ISKCON is making itself into a mainly Hindu expatriates movement, so they can kick out all the Western people. Then they will have another Jagannath Puri, all Hindus and no Westerns allowed. It is almost come to that state at the ISKCON temple here. 

Any Westerners who show up are viewed with suspicion. We got to get rid of them, they do not worship our bogus acharyas. Srila Prabhupada must be really fried out ... with all of them. And Bhakti Vikas swami apologizes for them all the time ... because he is part of their whole idea. Let us make another temple where Westerners are not welcome, it is really sad but that is what they are up to, I see it first hand. This is totally against what Srila Prabhupada wanted. 

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BANGALORE "BUS" LAWSUIT UPDATE

 https://www.livelaw.in/supreme-court/supreme-court-iskcon-bangalore-criminal-case-quashes-section-482-crpc-229027?

PADA: It looks like the 20 years ongoing Mayapur case to sue Madhu Pandit over the "stolen bus" has been concluded. This bus has long since fallen apart and is evidently in a junk yard. The whole idea all along with these lawsuits against Madhu Pandit was, according to the Mayapur people, -- to put Madhu Pandit in jail. Why would they want to do that? 

Because he is running the biggest free food for children program in the world, and just after ISKCON being sued for $400,000,000 for starving ISKCON children, why not start a lawsuit against the people feeding MILLIONS of children, so they can starve more children! We had great success starving maybe a few hundred children, lets starve millions more!

The bus lawsuit is separate from their $20,000,000 high court lawsuit. It also looks like one of these Mayapur managers is one of the people recently removed as a child abuser. Even Dayaram told me, yeah, the GBC has been making homosexuals and pedophiles into acharyas, what can be done? From what I heard, Dayaram has become very ill lately and has not been very active with supporting his pedo-acharya's regime and starving millions of children project.  

And evidently some other people involved in this suit are "ISKCON Bureau" folks, are these the same folks that told me their pedophile acharya's worshipers program is bona fide -- and we bogus mlecchas are deviated -- because we worship Jesus?

Anyway, lets see how this goes. The GBC might start another legal cat fight with our Prabhupadanuga folks again, because they have to bully their way along to "win" just like the Gaudiya Matha used the courts. Therefore everyone we know is saying DO NOT FUND ISKCON and especially DO NOT FUND MAYAPUR, neither go there and support them. When you give them money, it may be siphoned off for their endless LAWSUITS project. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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ANOTHER VOTED IN MESSIAH IN INDIA

https://www.freepressjournal.in/ujjain/madhya-pradesh-swami-maharaj-becomes-iskcons-spiritual-master-in-ujjain?

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ISKCON Going New Age Psycho-babble

A Devotee: More and more the preaching of Srila Prabhupada is being taken over by other groups see pic. Similar to "Grow your own food", "Minimalist movement", simple living, "Intelligent Design", life is not born out of chemicals, "Vegan movement", stop killing animals. Vaishnava institutions will more and more turn out as a type of people who simply focus on living in nice tropical locations, Coconut Grove, Gold Coast, and Waikiki. 

They have lost the power to preach. Take Hridayananda Goswami who used to be the number one preacher on prime time tv. Today people look and they see, oh, a smart intellectual who figured out how to live in a Beverly Hills villa without having to work. No one listens to what the ISKCON sannyasis have to say. Or people don't understand what they are saying because the preaching is not coming from a realized platform but from the mental / intellectual platform. 

Other groups do the preaching now. Of course present ISKCON has many followers but this is not about transcending the bodily platform. Similar to how the GM ended up after Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja had left.

Prabhupāda: The thing is the spirit, real service of preaching, stopped. Formality is going on, but the real business.... Caitanya Mahāprabhu's movement means āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra ei deśa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. That is stopped. Do you follow? The formalities are there, but the real life of Caitanya Mahāprabhu's movement is preaching. 

Otherwise why Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra ei deśa. Tara means preaching. Yāre dekha, tāre kaha 'kṛṣṇa-upadeśa' [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. 

And that is stopped. They are satisfied if they could construct one temple and beg some rice from the neighborhood: "Sir, we have got some temple," that's all. They are satisfied. The spirit of preaching forward-pāpī tāpī jata chilo, hari-nāme uddhārilo—that is stopped. So by hari-nāma, by chanting, by this way, to live little peacefully in the temple and eat and sleep, that much they have got. If that is the success, that success they have got. And this was condemned by my Guru Mahārāja, that "To earn some money by showing Deity in the temple and eat and sleep—better you become a sweeper in the street and earn your honest livelihood and live." 

This is cheating. This was condemned. To construct a temple.... Just like the Vṛndāvana Gosvāmīs are doing. They thought that "This is our business. Some innocent people will come here and offer some.... Bas, that's our good income." According to the temple's popularity, they think, "This is our success." Therefore they are deteriorating. So that is not success. Success is his who is pushing forward the preaching method. That is his success. And if we think that "By showing a temple Deity we get some money and rice and cloth and just peacefully live here. Don't bother about going to Fiji and all over..." (laughs) That much success they have got. But that is not Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi grāma, sarvatra pracāra. What are they doing for that? That's the point.

Guru-kṛpā: What if sometimes disciple, he may go to preach, but he's not preaching in the exact same spirit of his spiritual master?

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation -- May 2, 1976, Fiji

JP: Since Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON in the western world .. the western world has become more spiritually sound by becoming more interested in Vedic culture, picking up concepts and philosophies, twisting them around and claiming and expounding them in a new idiom.

One just has to sit back and see, that the west only had the Bible which has been the inadequate guide in such idioms we see presented by westerners ( why only westerners, the whole world is doing this). So the question is How suddenly these people have become so enlightened in such matters when they didn’t have such books and teachers from whom they can get such knowledge? 

The answer is , only Srila Prabhupada, who somehow influenced them by a lecture book or having met a ISKCON member and having heard them preach…. Anyway such crude and individual glory seeking is the lack of ISKCON.. they smothered the mass preaching by retiring to artificial thrones as bogus wolves gurus understanding that what Srila Prabhupada gave will bring them enough sheep to eat at their luxurious palaces.

They are content in their temples while they should have been widely preaching effectively through all available media on earth in order to expose people who have picked concepts founded and sectarian groups using the Vedic scriptures.

Even NASA has become more intelligent since Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON.. they have got directions from Srila Prabhupada’s books as to where to look for what has been mentioned in Vedas.

Ok this is no cry, it’s wishing well to these concept picker’s and opportunistic sectarian groups.. at least they are making the world a better place with their intelligence while ISKCON has lost its intelligence.

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Madhu Pandit Visits ISKCON / Narasingha Prayer VIDEO 05 18

 

PADA: Yes, things are breaking down. The followers of the worship of "pedophiles as messiahs project," like Vishaka and Yadubara, are perhaps gradually realizing -- at some point -- they might have to make compromises -- and work with the people who worship pure devotees -- and not their illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's club. 

Evidently the Bhaktivedanta Manor folks are still assisting the Mayapur project, which -- according to various reports -- has orchestrated a program of molesting, beating, and rapes of children. We hope people like Visaka and Yadubara start to get further away from that process -- and open up to the Prabhupadanugas process, which does not worship deviants as acharyas -- which causes mass molesting of children as a by-product result.

I told Yadubara a long time ago, I am going to fix this, and he was very skeptical. That is, until we had their program sued for $400,00,000 for the mass abuse. There really is no good excuse for promoting a mass molesting pedophile messiah's club, and more people are realizing that every day, maybe even the people inside the pedophile messiah's club itself are starting to wake up. 

Anyway, even I am noticing that I am personally not being banned, blocked, removed, insulted -- and no small amount of threatened -- nearly as much as I was previously. There is more interchange these days among the different groups, and that is a good sign. I think they know -- at some point, they are going to have to deal with us non-pedophile pooja renegades.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

  

The Mayapur Gangsters

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ISKCON's Children "Mundane Political" Items? (Eric Johanson Update)

PADA: Don't really want to pick on Eric Johanson in particular, but he is typical of thousands of people who have opposed me over the years. And he gives the same typical arguments as those thousands of people. So I am addressing him as a typical representative of my opponents, he is just one of them. 

Pranams. Jaya Srila Prabhupada! Puranjana prabhu, I am just a follower. 

PD: Well there is the whole question right there, who are you following? It seems you often give the same identical arguments as Kailasa and his GBC compadres, for example that he is NOT accepting the idea that "divyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha)" is still available now. He says it is not available, Tamal says it is not available, which means Srila Prabhupada's books are now post mortem. This is the same argument of the GBC people. Why are you their parrots?

Worse -- lets review Kailasa's "official diksha initiated" pals who are "actually diksha connected eternally." Oh, I forgot, many of his official diksha initiated pals are the people who started all the pedo-pooja molesting process. 

Our people are not pedo-worshipers, so therefore they are NOT connected to Krishna -- because they worship the pure devotee. Worse, anyone who worships a pure devotee is being cheated and is apa-sampradaya. Tamal's parrots? 

Whereas! Anyone who promotes Tamal's pedo-worship is officially connected by the process of diksha. My media friends are frankly disgusted with your entire lot. 

Why is it always the same thing with ALL you guys, the pedo-pooja pals program folks are ACTUAL diksha connected, whereas our people -- worshiping pure devotees -- are not diksha connected? And why do you folks never explain why this is the case? 

Sorry, your official diksha rubber stamp idea is bogus, the people who ACTUALLY follow are ACTUALLY diksha connected and not the pedo-messiah pals program. And that is why your folks ideas and papers are being distributed by the GBC (the pedo-pooja-ites), because you are authenticating them and discrediting us Prabhupadanugas.

I came to the temple within a month of Srila Prabhupada's departure. I followed the books in regard to accepting the authority of one of his advanced disciples. Unfortunately that has been shown to be a contradiction of terms. The "leaders" have been either deviants from the siddhanta, abusive or both. The good disciples take a humble position while acting ideally. They are extremely rare.

PD: Well that is true. Most devotees have challenged me all along from every camp, and some of them wanted to end my existence. 

What has happened due to the deviant pretenders is that the mass of followers have divided themselves into warring factions - sectarianism. Each faction therefore has its bullies, often the leader. These people see as their "service" the pounding of all opposing voices. 

PD: Fine, but Srila Prabhupada is one of the most prominent of those warring people. He has been raging against every camp you could imagine, and he spoke ill of all sorts of bogus gurus, swamis and avatars when we were in India -- all the time. 

"We pass urine in his face," "they are cockroach acharyas," and so on, and all the time. Krishna Himself battles all sorts of factions when He is here. And they all had their bullies and etc. That does not mean we should simply sit back and allow abuse of gurukula students, allow people to worship debauchees, drunks and dope heads as acharyas etc. -- and do nothing. 

Allowing and enabling all that is how we came to the current state. The people who did not oppose Draupadi being insulted were condemned and doomed. And ISKCON has been condemned and doomed when it did not protest its deviations. 

And that is why we have many of the pedo-infrastructure people still running Mayapur, not enough people went to war with them. That is the result of your idea of acquiescing and not going to war. And there has also been a war against the ISKCON children in general, also not checked because compromised people did not want to resist the regime. To the peril of the children. And ISKCON.

Facts - first, I never called Sulocana or you a fringie. If you weren't watching TV please forgive me. That's what I was told. Second - I haven't been associated with Kailasa Candra since 2012. You're linking me to support for what his chelas say or child abuse or Tamal or the ISKCON institution or the murder of Sulocana is what you do so well - bullying.

PD: Well the things you are saying, for example that divyam jnanam that destroys sins is a cheating idea, are the same things Kailasa -- and his GBC mentors like Tamal are saying. And saying we are TV fringies are what -- all of them -- have been saying. Apart from that, what would it matter if we are watching TV fringies? 

We are saying the children are in peril, and that is the thing everyone evidently ignored. All they worry about is, are these people watching TV or not? Who gives a flying cr*p when we are addressing a crisis among small children. 

OK, we were bullying people to address the children's crisis, so we would not get the karma of being the program's defenders or enablers for starters, and be condemned by Krishna like He condemns the compromised Kauravas. To be honest, the karma for suppressing our complaints about child abuse is going to take our opponents to a much worse place than the Kauravas ever imagined. I dread to even contemplate where people like Kailasa will go for writing position papers for a mass child abuse regime. It won't be nice.

Serious devotees don't engage in party spirit sectarian conflict in this manner.

PD: Yep, serious devotees allow dope heads, drunks, porno swamis, pervs, molesters, various Andy Warhol, Jimmy Savile, Timothy Leary, Charles Manson and Jim Jones disciples etc. to sit in Krishna's Vyasa seats and be worshiped as good as God. And they write papers for that party like Kailasa did in 1990. And they argue with me when I oppose all that. Self evidently, they have no clue who God is, since they have no idea who His successor is. Or worse, they think assorted debauchees, drunks and dope heads are Krishna's successors. Anyone who does not think Jimmy Savile is the acharya is a sectarianist. OK then, when children are mass molested -- then you are responsible for that process because you are enabling it by suppressing us as sectarianists, fringies etc. 

"The eleventh obstacle of the Vaishnavas is sectarianism, which takes the shape of the forest fire. Due to sectarianism, a person cannot accept anyone outside of their own group as a Vaishnava, and as a result, they face many obstacles in finding a guru and associating with devotees. Therefore extinguishing the forest fire is most important." Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura,"

PD: Then why are you arguing with me at all?

I am just trying to be a devotee. 

PD: Then ask me before you accept rumor mongering about me and Sulochana first, that is merely common mature adult etiquette. You never asked me anything in all this time. And it is only by accident that your false ideas surfaced somewhere else -- that we are even discussing this now. It means you are bad mouthing us all this time, which helps the regime by discrediting us. Sulochana said you guys were also discrediting us as fringies to make us targets of violence, and that has ALSO proven 100% correct. Sulochana said you folks are calling us fringies to PAINT A BULL's EYE ON MY BACK, as you folks did.

Please keep me out of whatever "rasa" you and Kailasa have cultivated for all these decades. I've seen enough bullying and conflict.

PD: But you started the conflict by promoting the siddhanta of Kailasa and branding us as fringies? And in sum promoting the lies of the people who oppose me and Sulochana, without ever having the courtesy of consulting if the info is even correct or not.

What you are doing to me is little more than what mundane politicians do - admit nothing and slander the (sectarian) "opposition" so they look worse than you. 

PD: OK so children are being abused, books are being changed, and Srila Prabhupada makes a poison complaint -- and all of ISKCON's "devotees" keep telling me my addressing all this is mundane politics. And that is why all these issues don't get resolved. 

For starters, children are neither mundane nor political objects and items, and it is astonishing that so many "devotees" like yourself keep insisting that children's welfare is simply some mundane political issue, and I am a mundane political person for advocating for these children. That is how you folks sabotaged our complaints. Did I forget to mention Tamal also said we are "into politics"? Why are the followers of Kailasa his parrots?  

So what happens next? All of you nay sayers who ganged up against us -- will be be born as future children -- being exploited -- and anyone who advocates for you will be called mundane politicians, you will reap what you sowed in equal measure, perhaps with interest compounded. And if the regime you helped either directly or indirectly harmed Krishna's children, and Kailasa is writing papers for them, and you are parroting his arguments, then Lord have mercy on your souls is about all we can say.

And what you folks collective sowed is an absolute misery for thousands of kids by cutting off our complaints as mundane politics etc. Children are not mundane, nor political, and that is why they ended up in dire conditions, they were treated as mundane political objects, cattle going off to the cattle auction, and not as human beings, never mind not treated as devotees. Child welfare is not mundane politics and anyone who says children are simply mundane political items -- when they are being sent off to the gulags, will end up as a future child being sent off to the gulags themselves. They will reap what they sowed.

Real devotees like Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura don't do these things to others. You are also very skilled at playing the victim, another thing politicians do, as if anyone outside of your group is responsible for your persecution or child abuse.

PD: Of course our opponents are responsible for the child abuse. If we are advocating for children, and we are being opposed, then all of the people opposing are collectively responsible for the odious results for children. Just like when I was a kid -- the people who exposed the cigarette companies in the 1950s were opposed, sometimes sued and so on -- and all of those who opposed these 1950s exposers -- helped spread lung cancer all over the place. 

Anyone who harasses the exposers of crimes against children is responsible for the results, of course. This is common sense known to the common man. Yes, the people who suppress complaints of child abuse are responsible for the resulting abuse. That is FACT. And that is what the media people who just interviewed me said, anyone who opposed you is responsible for the mass abuse, they enabled it. 

All this stuff about divyam jnanam. If you are any kind of representative for getting that, I don't want it.

PD: Yep, well the people who say there is no longer any "divyam jnanam that destroys sins" (diksha) are basically atheists. I'm not too worried about their opinion one way or the other. They cannot spread the religion, and they are often living in some isolated situation with no program. They have no potency to do anything or fix anything. 

And all sorts of devotees like you have told me that my interest in child welfare is simply mundane politics, and the way these children ended up is the result of your collective careless and cavalier attitudes. The victims know you folks viewed them as mundane political objects, if not cattle going off to the slaughter, and not as humans, and they tell me that regularly. 

I remember you well because you gave me The Guru Business. Is this really what devotee relations have come to? I didn't attack you. One of Kailasa's chelas apparently only quoted me. Your servant, bhakta Eric. 

If you're honest, you'll add this to your blog.

PD: OK so you were told all sorts of things about me and Sulochana, but you folks never once asked me for my version of events. You heard something, you told someone else what you heard, and they printed that, and no one ever asks me what is the correct version. That means evidently, you had no interest of intent in finding out my version. 

So Kailasa stole the farm money, stole the cows, treated women badly, and then wrote papers for the GBC. None of these things are making ANY devotees happy with his program anywhere. And I am bullying the people who are saying that there is no more divyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha) in Srila Prabhupada's works, because that is clearly atheism from the view of guru, sadhu and shastra. Why should I not challenge the atheists? And the people who write papers for an abuse regime?

And you are saying the same thing, anyone who believes that they are getting divyam jnanam that destroys sins from Srila Prabhupada is being cheated and so on. That means you are saying Krishna is a cheater because He says whoever accepts His instructions will be freed of sins. I do not ascribe to the idea that Krishna is a cheater. And again, remember -- your mentor is writing papers for -- the child abuser's program's leaders, or their sicophant Rocana. A man is known by whom he supports.  

Nor do I think that we should stop having initiated devotees do the pooja, and we should have the deities locked up in a shed with Hansadutta's dirty laundry, or have them no longer getting proper pooja with anyone else. If you wanted to know my opinion, you would have asked me ages ago. 

You wanted to run off with the cattle rustler / ISKCON money stealing / misogynist / who writes papers for the GBC / and Rocana / and who believes Krishna is a liar for saying His jnana will destroy sins (diksha). You got what you wanted. 

And all the other people who opposed me got what they wanted, ISKCON became an Andy Warhol / Jim Jones / David Koresh / Timothy Leary / Charles Manson cult, because that is what they collectively wanted it to become. Krishna fulfils all wishes, and He did. And all the people who opposed us, co-created that system, whatever so called faction they are part of. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com    

Eric Johanson Writes PADA 05 16

Eric Johanson:  Pranams. Jaya Srila Prabhupada! Good Lord prabhu. I go to your blog to read about Mayapura, and I find myself practically listed as one of Sulocana prabhu's murderers. Apparently you got into it with one of Kailasa's chelas. Is this what devotee relations have come to - throwing about half-truths and omissions in order to "win?" Karandara supposedly said, "If this is what goes on in the spiritual world, I don't want to go." No doubt you have some half-truths for him too. Somehow brahmanas are supposed to disagree with love. Don't we all have a common goal? How does this stuff make Srila Prabhupada proud or pleased? It seems we are all missing the point of what the spiritual world is all about.

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PADA: Thanks prabhu. First of all Sulochana said the people (like you guys) criticizing us as bogus and "not following fringies" are painting targets on our backs, to have us eliminated. It seems self evident to us -- you Kailasa folks have been among those people. We are the fringe group "trouble makers" who are the offender outsiders, and the people inside the program are "the real followers." Where is the love there? Good question.

Of course that would mean the people worshiping a drunk who was having affairs with half dozen women in Berkeley are the real followers, as you were doing at the time. Kailasa's modern followers are also calling us bogus liars and etc., same way they suppressed our complaints about the abuse issue the whole time. It is amazing that they are proud they created mass child victimization by calling us liars, and they are self-evidently proud of their handiworks.  

I had to save Hansadutta when one of his men wanted to go up to the farm and take him down, because Hansadutta was having an affair with this man's wife. And I convinced him -- it would not be worth it to throw his life away since his life would be ruined. So we are the fringed out and deviated people, and the real followers are worshiping a debauchee drunk. 

And that drunk was also saying Kirtanananda is the only pure devotee on the planet, and he sent all of his people to West Virginia to worship that pure devotee, who was having a problem of abusing minors in his motorhome. And in fact abuse of all types was rampant on his campus. So we are not following, these people are? Why criticize us at all, when we are trying to eliminate abuse of hundreds or perhaps thousands of vulnerable victims. 

The fact is, I saved Hansadutta's life and my work on the abuse issue also saved many children. To say we are the bogus fringies is helping -- their agenda -- all along since 1978, when you guys started calling us bogus fringies then. Read: you are still tethered to -- them. Same as Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur folks, we are opposing mass abuse, that makes us the liars, and bogus sahajiya gopis. The bona fide gopis support worshiping child abusers? WTF? 

Then, three people from Hansadutta's / Kirtanananda's West Virginia crew came to take me out -- and they were arrested on Oregon street when they came to get me. The FEDS had been tapping their phones and the Berkeley PD put an undercover tail on me, otherwise I too would have been eliminated. The FEDS apologized and told me they had to use me "as bait." And the real reason we were being chased by these enforcers is? You guys, who we saying we are the bogus fringies. That means Sulochana is right -- you guys made us targets. 

Now it is interesting -- we are fringies watching TV, when we both had none. You folks are liars. And this has been the whole problem isn't it? We are saying there is a mass abuse program going on, but so what, who cares, we are the bogus TV watching fringies -- while you guys are worshiping a debauchee drunk who thinks Kirtanananda / chief molester -- messiah / is the only pure devotee on the planet. 

And that enables the mass abuse, doesn't it? What would it matter if I am the village drunk? Abuse of minors needs to be checked, it does not matter if the person advocating for minors is "strictly following" or not. We are not strict followers, but the people making the mass abuse are. That is the regime you guys created, clearly. 

And that makes all of you -- who were painting us that way -- co-responsible for the results, namely horrific industrial levels of abuse -- and taking some of us out permanently. And later on we had to have the whole operation sued for $400,000,000 for that abuse -- which was not contained, thanks to people criticizing us and discrediting our complaints as bogus fringies. OK! As you guys have been doing. 

And while we are having them sued, GBC people like Trivrikrama are gleefully handing out your guys writings. That means you guys are encouraging them and not us. And you are thereby discrediting our complaints about the abuse and so on.    

In sum, Sulochana himself said you critic guys are painting targets on us, and he went down as a result. I too would have gone down without help from the FEDS. We have to judge by the results -- and these are the results. And then we had to sue them because the abuse of minors issue was simply side-lined while all this "there is no divyam jnanam in Krishna's words" nonsense was being made the main topic. 

In the spiritual world, no one calls another person a fringed out bogus person -- to get them attacked and taken down with violence from a molester cult, plain and simple. This has nothing to do with spiritual anything, this was all designed to protect the Jim Jones / Jimmy Savile / pedo-loka abuse process, and that is all this was ever about ever, top to bottom. 

And no one dares to cite Kailasa and say that Krishna's words contain no divyam jnanam in the spiritual world, rather they worship each and every syllable He speaks there. Anything Krishna says is giving pure knowledge that destroys illusion or sins. To say Krishna's words are not divyam jnanam that destroys sins is ATHEIST straight up.

Kailasa also complains we are like the bogus Christians, well yeah, the bogus Christian police saved me from his process. He is angry that we survived his process at all. As far as Kailasa saying he was helping Sulochana write his book. I never saw Kailasa in Berkeley, he was hiding out at the farm, plotting on how to steal the ISKCON money and cows. As he did.

Sulochana thought Kailasa was a "a paranoid nut job" who was always in hiding. And Sulochana agreed with me, Srila Prabhupada's vani is giving divyam jnanam that destroys sins, and that we should have continued to make his disciples on his behalf. Sulochana never said we should stop the process of deity pooja and have no poojaris and cooks, rather he said we should make more followers of Prabhupada and continue his process. 

Srila Prabhupada says we need 50 initiated poojaris for Berkeley, Kailasa says we need zero, because he hates to see Krishna being worshiped self evidently. And that is why we never see Kailasa or his folks giving classes on how to do deity worship and so on, he has no plan for that to continue and neither does the GBC. 

Which is why most temples have hardly any poojaris, or they have to let Narayan Maharaja people do poojas, or they hire "not very strict doughnut shop" Bengalis and etc. Whereas our people are conducting the deity poojas, and book publishing, book distribution, making devotees and temples and etc. Because these are the things Srila Prabhupada wanted us to be doing. Not sitting around belittling Krishna's words as devoid of divyam jnanam, which Kailasa and his crew do all day long for 45 years.

Kailasa says anyone who is getting divyam jnanam that destroys sins from Srila Prabhupada is being cheated, which is why the GBC has been circulating his papers in 1990 at their GBC meeting, and to their followers. And the followers still send me his stuff from time to time. He is a parrot of Tamal, and always has been most of his life. 

Lets face it, Kailasa is infuriated when he sees people doing nice pooja to Krishna by following Prabhupada, because he is with the regime. And that explains why he steals ISKCON money and cows, just like them, because he is them. And Kaliasa writes for Rocana, who says the GBC's "voting in guru" system is bona fide, although we need better enforcement of containing their deviations. Why is Kailasa writing for folks in that system? I forgot, that is the GBC system root and branch.

Kailasa wanted no one to be initiated to do the deity pooja, because his plan is to place Krishna is an empty ghetto, which his plan has done factually. Hansadutta had the big marble Krishna deities in his shed along with his dirty underwear, a mass of empty beer cans and Vodka bottles, and Jimmy Hendrix CDs. No one even knows where those deities are now? They were parked under a carport for some time.

That is the way your "no more poojaris and cooks" program ends up having Krishna treated. And anyone who has Krishna treated like this will end up living in a ghetto themselves -- for thousands of future lives. 

And now Kailasa followers are still laughing and joking how we are liars and fringed out bogus people, because that is how you guys discredited us all along AND ENABLED THE ABUSE. And that is how come we had to have the GBC operation / same operation as Kailasa has been writing papers for -- sued for said abuse. 

And that is why so many young people become victims of this horrible situation, which Kailasa co-created by being their paper writing ditto head hand maiden. You guys made our complaints nullified -- nonsense from the fringies -- to the peril of the gurukula children, for which all of you will be held accountable eventually in the higher courts of God. 

In sum, Kailasa is a sock puppet of Tamal. There is no divyam jnanam that destroys sins, Krishna's words are null and void, and anyone who thinks there is potency there -- is apa-siddhanta and is being cheated. Anyone criticizing the abuse is a fringie, etc. All of which was spoken by Kailasa's actual acharya Tamal. 

If there is one thing I am not, it is a disciple of Tamal. Kailasa was only able to steal a small amount of ISKCON money, while Tamal stole more, but they are the same, big crooks and little crooks. Exploiters in both cases. And both of them tried to paint us as the fringe trouble makers when we addressed the abuse issue -- to save the industrial level abuse program, which they did. 

Anyway! We are making new followers of Prabhupada now, and Kailasa does not like that, because he and Tamal are self evidently on the same page. We had to address the abuse, and they tried to check us by attacking our character. 

Checking people who are addressing abuse is aiding and abetting said abuse, and that makes them liable for the results. I am not knowingly making any half-truths or omissions here that I know of. If anything here is not accurate, please tell me where -- and we will correct it. 

Sulochana's mom said she was crying when she heard you guys calling her son a fringie, she said -- that is how they got him taken away from her. All you guys do is make people cry all day long, either children victims, women victims, or the mother's of departed victims etc. 

And Jadurani said Kailasa is another sergeant major bossy boots misogynist, which is what many GBC leaders are guilty of. Ditto heads. And their system makes thousands of women avoid ISKCON. Jadurani has been crying, children victims also crying, Sulochana's mom also crying. So who makes Vaishnavas cry? You guys. 

What does Krishna say about people who make Vaishnavas cry? They are doomed. I would not want to be among that group. And Sulochana said he would not trade his past two billion years of bad karma for one second of the future karma of the GBC and their (de facto or direct) help mates. He also believed his opponents were calling him fringie to -- save the child abuse system. And he thought that is the worst karma in the universe -- to have Krishna's own children beat, tortured  and molested. Most heinous crime ever in history, most severe punishment from Yamaraja ever in history. 

If you guys had any honor at all, you would apologize for being among the fringie name calling group, which Sulochana said -- enables abuse and will end up making me departed untimely. WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED. And it does enable abuse and does cause us to be targets. 

Self evident facts. Sorry, these are all facts as far as I know. I lived it, I for one should know what went down here. And someone else just asked me, is this not like the Jim Jones cult? Why would anyone even ask me such a question, at all? Even they can see what went down here, it is not just me.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com   

Puranjan and Sulochana are fringies.

Only cost us $100,000,000 legal fees.

How is that working out for you guys?

ISKCON "Membership Fees" / Kavicandra Health / ISKCON Short Term Managing 05 15

ISKCON Slovenia

DRAFT OF CHANGING OUR COMMUNITY INTO AN INTERESTING SOCIETY

We were recently informed the members of Skupnost za zavest Krisna - ISKCON SLOVENIJA that the management had prepared a draft of the new community statute. As one of the innovations, they also thought about signing up for membership and paying a regular membership fee.

Because the credibility of social measures or philosophy always needs to be checked in accordance with the example of guru, sadhus and shastra, in this article I will shed light on the membership and payment of membership clause from these three key aspects.

GURU

Srila Prabhupada is a common original guru and the founding acharya of the International Krishna consciousness community. That's why his teachings and example should be the most important benchmark, whether something is appropriate or not. Srila Prabhupada established the International Community for Krishna Consciousness as an organizational form of his Krishna Consciousness Movement, whose purpose was to systematically disseminate the spiritual teaching of Lord Chanting and thus bringing the highest good to all mankind.

Though Srila Prabhupada has expanded the movement like no other, he has introduced no contractual signing up process, special enrollment documents, or ongoing membership fees for his members / students. Interestingly, he came up with the so-called "life membership" but only for rich Indians, so they could contribute large sums of money to the movement, but he did not expect them to devote their lives to bhakti yoga and spreading the mission of Lord Chanting.

So, as we can see from Srila Prabhupada's example, the so-called membership fee for devoted bhaktas is foreign and an inappropriate measure.

SADHU

Nowhere in the history of credible spiritual movements did they mandate the signed contractual membership and membership fees for their students or bhaktas -- not in our tradition -- or anywhere else. Can we imagine Jesus introducing a membership contract and membership dues for his apostles? Just the thought of it is just ridiculous. Maybe someone would argue that Jesus only had twelve apostles and therefore he did not need a membership. That is why we can use another example of a much larger community than Slovenia can handle - wise men from Naimasaranya. According to various data, there were between 33 and 88 thousand of these, but despite that no one thought of introducing signed contracts, enrollment and membership fees. 

Let's look at it in a bit more modern time. Advait Acarya also didn't sign up members with a contract or collect membership fees for bhaktas who gathered beside Him. Neither Lord Caitanja didn't even think of this, even though he had thousands, in fact millions of devotees. Entry membership contracts and membership fees were not known by Gosvamiji of Vrindavana, the later acharyas, like Bhaktivinoda Thakur, and Bhaktisiddhant Sarasvati Thakur, who was Srila Prabhupad's guru and also founded the organisation.

Actually, as soon as we put such an idea in a historical frame, it becomes funny.

SHASTRA ( HOLY SCRIPTURES )

Shastra is the highest standard of credibility. And what are the tips of the shastra?

A verse from Narad Pancharatra, also mentioned by Caitanya Caritamrta and Bhakti rasamrta sindhu, says sarvopādhi vinirmukta, tat-paratvena nirmalam,  vinīkena h vinīkeśa sevana ata, bhaktir ucyate. Bhakti means we get rid of all "upadhi" or equations on the body level. Enrollment by contract membership and membership fees, on the contrary, encourage equality with material bodily circumstances. It is a mundane idea. 

So theses ideas are at fundamentally opposite with the purpose and mission of our movement, which is trying to save people from the "upadhi". Thus Srila Prabhupada commenting on Srimad Bhagavatam 7.5.41 says: “The individual’s consciousness is the cause of material slavery, but if we cleanse consciousness with bhakti-yoga, we can understand the falsity of our upādhis – equations with being Indian, American, Hindu, Muslim, Christians and so on. 

Supreme consciousness is -vinirmukta ta Tat-paratvena nirmalam. We need to forget these definitions and use our consciousness only for serving Krishna. Our lives will surely be successful if we, therefore, embrace what the Krishna consciousness movement gives us. "

So I hope that the leadership of Krishna Consciousness Community will listen to the voice of reason and adhere to the example of gurus (especially Srila Prabhupada), sadhus and shastra and will not introduce this bogus membership contract and membership fees. Instead, we should focus on spreading the love of God and the principles of bhakti yoga across Slovenia and beyond, and on connecting people in spiritual community without any obstacles or conditions (as it has been in practice throughout known history). 

This is the only way that we can follow the mission of Srila Prabhupada and other acharas and get closer to God or Krishna. I request everyone to resist this attempt at introducing mundane bureaucracy into the Krishna consciousness movement.

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Request for prayers for HH Kavicandra Swami well-being.

Hare Krishna dear devotees, please accept our obeicanses all glories to Shrila Prabhupada.

We have a small update and prayer request on behalf of HH Kavicandra Swami.
He is traveling in Germany now and since last week he fell sick, there's not much information since we still cannot get hold on local devotees. As per maharajes words doctor treating him on strong antibiotics that seems to help but he still experience pain in his body and severe face swelling due to which he cannot get proper rest and needs continue his treatment.

We will update all of you when we have more information but as of now we humbly request all devote community for extra prayers on behalf of HH Kavicandra Swami health and well-being.

Your servant,
Yogamaya dasi

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“SHORTERMISM” AND ISKCON’S MANY PROBLEMS.

Case 1: Going on holiday for the first time in decades. Asked one devotee about accommodation at a temple I’ll be visiting. $40 a night per person. Asked if there was any reductions for someone who collected about $300,000 for that project.
Answer: No. we would prefer not to charge, but we’re faced with a negative budget each week.

2) Asked another devotee , who I’ve met a couple of times if I could park my car at their temple for three weeks, near the airport I’ll fly out of.

Answer: we’re doing construction and tearing up half the lot. So we are short on space.

Probably both answers are true. Particularly don’t know the parking situation one ………….but one car spot which probably only once a week for 3 hours might be needed?……..but if I were a big doner who had just recently donated $10,000 to the other temple would I get a free stay?

Here’s the real point. Since I joined in 85, short term thinking wasn’t just a hallmark of Iskcon but the very essence of everything we did. We’d set up temples and projects that would be abandoned or 100% reversed later, losing all sorts of money and assets in the process.

We’d do all types of scams and tell lies to collect money, despite the damage it ultimately did to the consciousness of our devotees as we learnt duplicity as a way of life. An integral part of Spiritual life which caused so much schisms in (my) our own journey and internal life.

We’d openly lie to people to distribute books despite the terrible damage it did to our reputation etc etc etc. So how does it relate to child protection?

We hired pedophiles, monsters, violent cruel sociopaths, to take care of our children, because God forbid the long term life of children was waaaaaaay too far off, compared to the short term need for qualified people to collect and distribute, to get short term money.

We then shuffled the monsters around to ‘save our reputation’, short term, while simultaneously avoiding dealing with the short term hit of lost manpower.
Almost Every aspect of Iskcon life is dominated by this short term thinking. 

Judging successful ‘preachers’ and Gurus by how many people they bring to the movement, how many temples they open. Not how many of those people stay, or many become disenchanted when they figure out Gurudeva is nowhere near as pure as he pretended to be. Not how many of these temples remain open or aren’t now a white elephant, a great burden.

In 82 as a young teenager, alone in London, the devotees fed me in Soho St and were generally very kind to me. At the time I vowed ‘ I’ll pay them back’. I grew up in a time of no credit cards, where you didn’t have debt. You paid back. So I paid the society back many times over.

Now how likely do you think it is that I’ll give to either of these projects when I start donating again?. (I stopped last year after decades of giving as I could no longer support a leadership and society that engaged in a massive criminal conspiracy and cover up of horrific brutal crimes.)

How much more gratitude and indebted I would feel to either place had they responded positively? In contrast, my non devotee Aunt is letting me stay in her expensive rental cottage for free. My sister will squeeze 4 of us into her small house and already texted me asking what vegetarian food she should buy for us.
Ok they’re family. But didn’t Prabhupada say we were all a family of devotees?

I’m not looking for charity, and I completely understand how we have many crazy and lazy people in our temples that shouldn’t be there. But I was never one of them. This short term management system and thinking is still being implemented as so many temples totter from one financial, moral, or manpower crisis to the next, as does the society leadership, afraid to draw a line in the sand and start a new long term type of thinking. 

Terrified to challenge the child abuse supporters in one part of iskcon. Afraid to upset Ambarish and fire the two brutal child rapists working at the Tovp. Unwilling to think of the life and welfare of the devotees and making decisions based on that rather than some bricks and mortar. Funny I thought we were a Spiritual organization, who saw the soul or spirit in others, particularly devotees, and eschewed the material? It doesn’t look like this based on the behavior of our leadership.

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Karma is catching up.

PADA: Bhakti Vikas swami has encouraged many of his God brothers to take sins, and the result is -- they often fell down, got sick and / or died. He is still at it. Of course his molester messiahs also banned, beat, sued, molested and took the lives of Vaishnavas as a side bonus for his program. 

BVKS's star accomplishment ??? is having ISKCON spend $100,00,000 on lawsuits, so now the temples are dried up of money and so they are trying to make member fees because -- they wasted all their money buying new Mercedes for lawyers so BVKS's lawyers could go out and get their chicken tikkas in style. Told ya!

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