Srila Prabhupada makes mistakes, or Bhakti Caru swami makes mistakes?

PADA: Bhakti Caru swami seems to explain that unless Srila Prabhupada had made the system of the GBC's worship of illicit sex with men, women and children acharyas / messiahs / guru parampara, he would have been making a mistake. ??? And BCS says we need to keep the deity process that Srila Prabhupada established -- by offering bhogha to photos of persons often engaged in these deviations such as illicit sex? 

How is that the system he established? 

When did Srila Prabhupada say he wanted the photos of persons engaged in illicit sex to be placed on his altars at Krishna's feet? And then again BCS gurus are falling down, getting sick and dying prematurely from taking sins, after they were ordered not to take sins? Srila Prabhupada would have made a mistake if he had not ordered these conditioned souls to make pretend they are Jesus and they can absorb sins? 

No, BCS makes mistakes and he tries to say they are the acharya's mistakes. Someone also said the Hitler-anugas are doing the same type things, making it look like Prabhupada wanted us to promote something he never wanted publicly promoted. ys pd 

Srila Prabhupada on deity worship (video)

https://youtu.be/M82Iy6g-SWo

Plea for India's dying rivers (Sadhguru video)

http://isha.sadhguru.org/rally-for-rivers/

PADA: Makes important points. Yep, and how much garbage, sewage and poisonous industrial factory by-product contamination is allowed to be dumped into these rivers, which is knocking them out all by itself? India and its leaders need to wake up to this issue big time, that's a fact. ys pd

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's Final Instructions

On December 23rd, 1936, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupada gave his final instructions to the assembled devotees:

Perhaps many people have considered me their enemy because I was compelled to tell the unadulterated truth. I asked them to serve the Lord with all sincerity. I have given much anxiety to many people only because I wanted to inspire them to serve Krishna sincerely without material desire and duplicity. One day they will understand this.

1. “Remember that this world is temporary and lasts only a day or two. Give up your family attachment and transcend this world of illusion."

2. “Maintain your worldly obligations in whatever way you can, but make the eternal principle, devotion to Krishna, the true purpose of your voyage through life.”

3. “Let hundreds of dangers, insults or persecutions come, but in spite of them, do not give up your worship of Krishna.”

4. “When you see that most people are indifferent to Sri Krishna and show no interest in selfless service to Krishna and in talks about Him, don’t be discouraged. First of all, never give up your bhajan, your life and soul.”

5. “Why would you accept the poverty of a life without hearing and chanting about Krishna, your sole wealth?”

6. “Please always chant the name of the Lord, being humbler than a blade of grass and more tolerant than a tree. Give all respect to others and demand none for yourself. Make the worship of the holy name the most important aspect of your devotional life.”

7. “We do not seek to become heroes performing great works or religious deeds. We will become distressed if we take up the paths of knowledge, works or austerities.”

8. “While living in this world, we encounter many difficulties; but there is no need for us ever to be bewildered by these difficulties.”

9. “We need make no effort to remove any of these obstacles. What is necessary for us, while we are still here, is to learn what is beyond – what will be the nature of our eternal life.”

10. “There are so many things that attract and repel us. There is no end to the things that we want and don’t want.”

11. “If you wish to triumph over attraction and repulsion, then you should remember that by becoming attracted to the transcendental holy name, you will be delivered from them.”

12. “As you continue cultivating your consciousness of Krishna, your thirst for material sense-objects will decrease.”

13. “The philosophy of Krishna consciousness is very perplexing. At first it seems startling and full of complex details.”

14. “The holy name is more compassionate than the Lord of the name Himself. If one takes shelter of the name, then it unravels all these philosophical complexities.

15. “In this world, no one is the special object of my affection, nor do I have the slightest hostility towards anyone.”

16. “Whatever arrangements we make in this world are temporary. There is no need to waste time thinking about gain or loss here.”

17. “Preach the message of Sri Rupa and Raghunatha fearlessly and with great enthusiasm. Through this preaching, you will attain all perfection.”

Prahlad Nrsimha (France) Who is a guru?

Double Thinking

BY: PRAHLADA NRSIMHA DAS (FRANCE) —

We have many examples of ISKCON's conception that a guru can and may eventually fall down. The GBC accepts this idea. I have, however, given many obvious arguments proving that a real pure devotee can not fall down. And many other devotees did the same before me. Moreover, the notions of guru and of a pure devotee are abundantly mentioned and described in Sastras.

[PADA: This is the main problem with the false GBC's gurus and their hand maidens such as: / Rocana (Sampradaya Sun) / Sridhara Maharaja / Narayana Maharaja / Torben/  Ajit Krishna / Hanuman Croatia et al. program, they claim that God's "guru successors" are often deviating, falling down, and we may find that their "gurus" are indeed full fledged debauchees. Thus, they more or less admit their gurus are often falling i.e. mundane men. We need to offer bhogha to mundane men? Even the Christians offer grace to Jesus, and not to the Church's priest or administration leaders? 

OK we got it, we need to worship the people who are falling down left, right and center to "go back to Godhead"? Ooops! Its an offense to the holy names to say gurus are ordinary men, if not falling down mundane men. Thus the whole foundation of their process is to declare that the "parampara chain of gurus from God" is full of deviants, debauchees, criminals, sexual predators, and perhaps worse odious villains -- and the like. How is this a guru parampara from God? 

Then! They need to "fix and repair" their own self-created messiah making factory's mess! 

Thus! Their "appointed and voted in gurus" are often in need of: fixing, repairing, advising, chastising, monitoring, censuring, suspending, removing, excommunicating, voting in, voting out and so many other ecclesiastical "GBC guru rules" that they have concocted over the years. Rocana is currently working on his "ISKCON constitution" full of all sorts of these concocted "rules" for managing the acharyas. Of course how is it that Rocana and the GBC have become the superior authority to Krishna and His acharyas? 

They never explain.

And this all got started even worse when in 1986 they officially claimed their gurus are often naughty juvenile crooks who need to go to reform school, when they announced their "guru reform." The GBC /Rocana / Torben/  Ajit Krishna / Hanuman Croatia et al team seem to have dedicated their lives to "fixing, repairing and reforming" and chastising their false acharyas, but what they cannot seem to figure out is: their whole guru line is bogus. And so is their process of concocted guru appointing, guru voting in, ... and then supporting these false gurus. This is all bogus and concoction in the first place. OK, maybe these falling down people are not, were not, and could not have been gurus in the first place?]       

But the GBC has adopted, anyway, the concept that a guru is not necessarily a pure devotee. 

[PADA: Yep, finally the GBC / Rocana and their guru club is starting to gradually realize, gurus are pure devotees. Maybe falling down people need not apply for the post? Why has it taken them so long to figure out that gurus are pure devotees?]

We can wonder what is the use to have such a [conditioned] person as guru, but never mind! Let's accept that for a moment. In the GBC's concept, those persons are authorized to be gurus because Srila Prabhupada allowed and encouraged his disciples to become gurus one day. Discussion about the proper qualification to become guru apart, all that is therefore, somehow, based on Srila Prabhupada's authority and words.

[PADA: Right, a kindergarten child might become a brain surgeon some day, but we do not give him a surgeon's saw, drill, scalpel, and tell that kindergarten child to perform brain surgery -- now?]

Again, the GBC accepts the idea that those gurus may fall down. And that, in such a case, they will officially lose any spiritual authority.

About the whole GBC, we are somehow in the same set-up of things. It is based on Srila Prabhupada's authority and words. On the other hand, this notion of a managing body of persons being a spiritual authority (over a guru) is never mentioned nor described in Sastras. It is a fact, even if it can not be a pretext to argue about Srila Prabhupada's order. Nevertheless, we can be surprised that where pure devotees, who are widely mentioned and described in Sastras and in Prabhupada's words, are not absolute in ISKCON's opinion (for they may fall down and therefore lose their authority), a group of persons such as the GBC itself, which is never mentioned in the absolute Sastras, is, on the other hand, acknowledged by ISKCON as an absolute authority which can not fall down in any circumstances and consequently lose its authority. That, for the next 9,500 years. All that looks very strange and paradoxical.

Therefore, please, kindly put definitively in your mind that the day when the GBC will tell you to kill its opponents, and that it's better to start practicing Buddhism, you will have to do it without discussion or doubts, and you will be on the real path to perfection.

That reminds me the Soviet power in the ex-USSR. They were saying exactly the same. Individuals could eventually be wrong but the whole Communist Party could not. They were actually sincerely believing that. So, it looks great that after so many years of practice, the GBC has somehow, more or less, developed this high Communist Consciousness!

[PADA: Right, gurus are often deviants, and anyone who disagrees with that proposal will face banning, beating, and even assassinating. Nice! ys pd]
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“I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. (Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga 4/28/74)
“They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success.

“In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

“He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya.

“His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected.

“So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year.
“Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/06/hanuman-das-croatia-parampara-from-god.html

A Message From the GBC

Dear Devotees,

Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Many years ago, a relatively small group of devotees claimed that some of Srila Prabhupada’s devoted servants had poisoned their beloved guru and caused his disappearance from this world. These conspiracy theorists accused dedicated Vaisnavas of the greatest evil, and they did so with no credible evidence. No reliable science or witnesses supported their ghastly accusations, and so the Vaisnava community in general rejected their unjust claims.

Recently, an attempt has been made to resurrect this dark accusation, that loving disciples, those who gave their entire life to his service and strived continuously to bring comfort and good health to His Divine Grace, conspired to murder Krishna’s pure devotee. Once again, the accusation is made without reliable science or direct witnesses, or any other form of credible evidence.

The new accusations raise pseudo-scientific arguments that actual science rejects. Therefore, to protect innocent devotees from devastating offenses, the GBC is preparing a detailed response to the latest accusations, which are themselves the actual poison in this case.

The GBC requests ISKCON devotees to focus their attention on serving Srila Prabhupada’s mission and to avoid hearing these monstrous accusations, until the GBC presents a response to the latest poisonous theories. 

Hare Krishna.

Your servants,

GBC.

[PADA: Well good luck, but so far the GBC has not been very credible on just about any issue including: The (mis) treatment of brahmanas, women, children, cows; Changing the books; Closing and selling properties; Creating giant lawsuits, ad infinitum. The poison issue has a lot of detailed backing and raises many solid and verified points, including, why was the tape hidden and only given to me in 1997 by a devotee who feared for his life, for even having the tape in his possession? Yep, you GBC guys always try to make "a response" to so many of these issues, but you never seem to be very convincing, hence these issues keep coming back again and again. Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned, and this is not some dry theory, its a fact that he says that. ys pd]  

London Prabhupadanuga's Program

Cow Rescue Program in Vrndavana (video)

Jaipur HKM Gopashtami 2017 (video)

[PADA: The city of Jaipur gave the city cow goshalla to the HKM devotees. Great job! ys pd]

Update from Krishna Balaram Mandira Vancouver

Dear devotees and friends,

Vancouver Krishna Balaram Temple will not be posting photos of our regular Sunday Feast program in the months of December and January. We will be away sponsoring and arranging the upcoming initiation in the Philippines. Five devotees will take their first or second initiation in accordance with the initiation process given to us by Srila Prabhupada as per his instruction in the July 9, 1977 letter.

Our next Sunday Feast program at Vancouver Krishna Balaram Temple will be on February 4, 2018. We look forward to seeing you all then.

To learn more about the July 9, 1977 letter and about how the initiation process works, please follow the links below:

July 9th, 1977 letter: http://www.vancouverkrishnabalaram.com/final-instructions/

Srila Prabhupada Initiation Instructions: http://www.vancouverkrishnabalaram.com/srila-prabhupada-in…/

Yours in the service to Srila Prabhupada,

Members of the Vancouver Krishna Balaram Temple

Gita Jayanti from Sridham Vrndavana / Sunnyvale CA

https://www.facebook.com/SriVrindavanChandrodayaMandir

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Hare Krishna,

We would like to invite you for Gita Jayanthi Celebrations on Sunday, Dec 3rd. Special discourse on Gita Jayanthi will be given by Sri Vasudev Keshav Dasa on this occasion.
Program Schedule:

10:00 am - 12:00 pm: Complete Bhagavad Gita recitation
12:00 pm - 1:00 pm: Special Discourse on Gita Jayanthi
1:00 pm - 1:30 pm: Aarati
1:30 pm onwards: Prasadam

Sri Vasudev Keshav Dasa has been serving the Hare Krishna movement as a full-time missionary since 1998. He takes care of the Deity department and ensures that a high standard of Deity worship and other rituals are achieved on a day-to-day basis. He is also the Director of NIVE (National Institute of Value Education), which conducts Values Plus, a program to impart Value Education to students in schools.

Regards,

Sri Krishna Balaram Mandir Temple Committee

1235 Reamwood Ave, Sunnyvale, CA. www.kbmandir.org

Jayadvaita resigns as BBT editor

http://www.dandavats.com/?p=53608

Moksada Ekadasi (Nov 29th)

Moksada Ekadasi

Mokshada Ekadasi, observed on Nov 29th in LA, 30th in Mayapur, from Brahmanda Purana.

Yudhishthira Maharaj said, "O Vishnu, master of all, O delight of the three worlds, O Lord of the entire Universe, O creator of the world, O oldest personality, O best of all beings, I offer my most respectful obeisances unto You.

"O Lord of lords, for the benefit of all living entities, kindly answer some questions that I have. What is the name of the Ekadasi that occurs during the light fortnight of the month of Margashirsha (November-December) and removes all sins? How does one observe it properly, and which Deity is worshipped on that holiest of days? O my Lord please explain this to me in full."

Lord Sri Krishna replied, "O dear Yudhishthira, your enquiry is very auspicious in itself and will bring you fame. Just as I previously explained to you about the dearest Utpannaa Maha-Dwadasi - which occurs during the dark part of the month of Margashirsha, which is the day when Ekadasi-devi appeared from My body to kill the demon Mura, and which benefits everything animate and inanimate in the three worlds - so I shall now relate to you regarding this Ekadasi that occurs during the light part of the month of Margashirsha. This Ekadasi is famous as Mokshadaa because it purifies the faithful devotee of all sinful reactions and bestows liberation upon him. The worshipable Deity of this all auspicious day is Lord Damodara. With full attention one should worship Him with incense, a ghee lamp, fragrant flowers, and Tulasi manjaris (buds).

O best of saintly kings, please listen as I narrate to you the ancient and auspicious history of this wonderful Ekadasi. Simply by hearing this history one can attain the merit earned by performing a horse sacrifice. By the influence of this merit, one's forefathers, mothers, sons, and other relatives who have gone to hell can turn around and go to the heavenly kingdom. For this reason alone, O king, you should listen with rapt attention to this narration.

There once was a beautiful city named Champaka-nagar, which was decorated with devoted Vaishnavas. There the best of saintly kings Maharaj Vaikhaanasa, ruled over his subjects as if they were his very own dear sons and daughters. The brahmins in that capital city were all expert in four kinds of Vedic knowledge. The king, while ruling properly, had a dream one night in which his father was seen to be suffering the pangs of hellish torture in one of the hellish planets ruled over by the Yamaraj. The king was overwhelmed with compassion for his father and shed tears. The next morning, Maharaj Vaikhaanasa described what he had seen in his dream to his council of twice born learned brahmins.

O brahmanas,' the king addressed them, 'in a dream last night I saw my father suffering on a hellish planet. He was crying out in anguish, "O son, please deliver me from this torment of this hellish condition !" Now I have no peace in my mind, and even this beautiful kingdom has become unbearable to me. Not even my horses, elephants, and chariots and my vast wealth in my treasury that formerly brought so much pleasure, gives me no pleasure at all.

Everything, O best of the brahmins, even my own wife and sons, have become a source of unhappiness since I beheld my father suffering the tortures of that hellish condition so. Where can I go, and what can I do, O brahmins, to alleviate this misery? My body is burning with fear and sorrow ! Please tell me what kind of charity, what mode of fasting, what austerity, or what deep meditation, and in service upon which Deity I may have to perform to deliver my father from that agony and bestow liberation upon my forefathers. O best among the brahmins, what is the use of one's being a powerful son if one's father must suffer on a hellish planet? Truly, such a son's life is utterly useless, to him and to his forefathers.

The twice born brahmins replied, 'O king, in the mountainous forest not far from here is the ashram where a great saint Parvata Muni resides. Please go to him, for he is tri-kala-jnan (he knows the past, the present, and the future of everything) and can surely help you in your gaining relief from your misery.'

Upon hearing this advise, the distressed king immediately set out on a journey to the ashram of the famous sage Parvata Muni. The ashram was indeed very big and housed many learned sages expert in chanting the sacred hymns of the four Vedas (Rg, Yajur, Sama, and Arthava). Approaching the holy ashram, the king beheld Parvata Muni seated among the assembly of sages adorned with hundreds of tilaks (from all the authorised sampradayas) like another Brahma or Vyaas.

Maharaj Vaikhanasa offered his humble obeisances to the muni, bowing his head and then prostrating his entire body before him. After the king had seated himself among the assembly Parvata Muni asked him about the welfare of the seven limbs of his extensive kingdom (his ministers, his treasury, his military forces, his allies, the brahmins, the sacrificial offerings performed, and the needs of his subjects). The muni also asked him if his kingdom was free of troubles and whether everyone was peaceful, happy and satisfied. To these enquiries the king replied, 'By your mercy O glorious and great sage, all seven limbs of my kingdom are doing very well. Yet there is a problem that has recently arisen, and to solve it I have come to you, O brahmana for your expert help and guidance'.

Then Parvata Muni, the best of all sages, closed his eyes and meditated on the king's past, present and future. After a few moments he opened his eyes and said, 'Your father is suffering the results of committing a great sin, and I have discovered what it is. In his previous life he quarreled with his wife and forcibly enjoyed her sexually during her menstrual period. She tried to protest and resist his advances and even yelled out, "Someone please save me! Please, O husband, do not interrupt my monthly period in this way!" Still he did not stop or leave her alone. It is on account of this grievous sin that your father now has fallen into such a hellish condition of suffering.'

King Vaikhanasa then said, 'O greatest among sages, by what process of fasting or charity may I liberate my dear father from such a condition? Please tell me how I can relieve and remove the burden of his sinful reactions, which are a great obstacle to his progress toward ultimate release (salvation - liberation - going back home).'

Parvata Muni replied, 'During the light fortnight of the month of Margashirsha there occurs an Ekadasi called Mokshadaa. If you observe this sacred Ekadasi strictly, with a full fast, and give directly to your suffering father the merit you with thus attain/obtain, he will be freed from his pain and instantly liberated'.

Hearing this, Maharaj Vaikhanasa profusely thanked the great sage and then returned to his palace to perform his vrata (austere rite). O Yudhishthira, when the light part of the month of Margashirsha at last arrived, Maharaj Vaikhanasa faithfully waited for the Ekadasi tithi to arrive. He then perfectly and with full faith observed the Ekadasi fast with his wife, children, and other relatives. He dutifully gave the merit from this fast to his father, and as he made the offering, beautiful flower petals showered down from the devas who peered out from behind the clouds in the sky. The king's father was then praised by the messengers of the demigods (devas) and escorted to the celestial region. As he passed his son, as he traversed the lower to middle to higher planets, the father said to the king, 'My dear son, all auspiciousness unto you!'

At last he reached the heavenly realm from where he can again with his newly acquired merit perform devotional service to Krishna or Vishnu and in due course return back to home back to Godhead.

O son of Pandu, who so ever strictly observes the sacred Mokshadaa Ekadasi, following the established rules and regulations, achieves full and perfect liberation after death. There is no better fasting day than this Ekadasi of the light fortnight of the month of Margashirsha, O Yudhishthira, for it is a crystal-clear and sinless day. Whoever faithfully observes this Ekadasi fast, which is like chinta-mani (a gem that yields all desires), obtains special merit that is very hard to calculate, for this day can elevate one from hellish life to the heavenly planets, and for one who observes Ekadasi for his own spiritual benefit, this elevates one to go back to Godhead, never to return to this material world."

Thus end the narration of the glories of Margashirsha-shukla Ekadasi or Mokshada Ekadasi, from the Brahmanda Purana.

The Hitler Prajalpa Program (Update)

Yep, meditating on this is going to fix everything!

[PADA: Another "ritvik devotee" was advertising Mukunda's (UK) "Hitler videos" and a disciple of Jayapataka challenged that this is -- racism, mundane politics and Nazi-ism. Unfortunately, I had to join the side of the Jayapataka follower, because his points were spot on. 

Meanwhile another "ritvik devotee" told me that I need to listen to Mukunda's videos since he is "the biggest expert on the topic of Hitler." OK maybe, but Srila Prabhupada says Hitler is "less than animal" (see quote below), so Mukunda is now an expert on "less than animal consciousness"? And thus the world needs to study "less than animals" to become better? As Sulochana said many times, we cannot discuss things like Hitler because it will ruin sympathy for our cause. In any case, Hitler identified with his body and race, which Srila Prabhupada says is animal consciousness, we are spirits and not these bodies.

Worse, Mukunda dasa is really a teeny peanut compared to the real expert, Hansadutta dasa, who has actually been the biggest authority on Hitler in ISKCON. And he was reading all sorts of books about Hitler all the time, especially in the 1970s. When Hansadutta's German Schloss was raided by the police, they found various books about Hitler. And subsequently Srila Prabhupada heard about all this (it was in Europe's newspapers) and he was so upset, he wrote in his Bhagavatam at that time that we should not read ANY books about Hitler. Apparently Mukunda and his team know more than the acharya, so they kept on reading? 

And what was the result of Mukunda's mentor Hansadutta studying about Hitler all day and night? Hansadutta wanted to make another Fuhrer for the planet, and so in 1986 Hansadutta decided that Kirtanananda is the only pure devotee / Fuhrer for the planet and then he moved 90 percent of the Berkeley temple devotees to New Vrndavana (which Berkeley temple has never recovered from and its still lacking in manpower). So all of this meditating on Hitler helped what exactly? It helped create more illusion, confusion and foolishness. 

And no small amount of criminal activity!     

OK and at that time Kirtanananda was being covered with the hands of fifty boys while he sat on his big Vyasa seat, and so many crimes were going on there no one could count them. This is exactly what Srila Prabhupada says, less than animal consciousness. Sulochana said worship of a dog would have been superior to this Hansadutta /  Kirtanananda program, because dogs will befriend and lick a devotee out of affection -- and not kill him, whereas these people will kill the Lord's Vaishnavas. And their program did kill some Vaishnavas.

Less than animals fer sure!

So the result of being an expert at meditation on Hitler simply means, Hansadutta's misdirected thinking got even more misdirected, that's all. The madness simply increased. Anyway, this is great, these guys are simply becoming experts on "less than animal consciousness," and we become what we meditate on. That means they have a long way to go to meditate on the more advanced platform, the animals, which is WAY too far an advanced state of consciousness for them to ponder at this stage. 

The JPS disciple was right, on this point at least, meditating on Hitler is simply mundane politics, or worse, it can make persons try to make fools into their Fuhrers. Yep, we need to meditate on Hitler's history, so we can join with Hansadutta's history, and become more insane? Srila Prabhupada says this meditation is not going to help us, and it isn't.]     

P Das: PRABHUPADA: HITLER LESS THAN ANIMAL

Prabhupada: Is that rational, that another living entity like me should be killed for my benefit, for satisfying my tongue?

Syamasundara: Their idea is that the animal is not in the same category as myself because it has no...

Prabhupada: So that's alright; then might is right? Hitler is right? When Hitler, Hitler kills the Jews, he's right? He thinks that they are not in my category.

Syamasundara: The animal cannot understand philosophy.

Prabhupada: What does he understand of philosophy? He is mad; he is less than an animal. He does not understand philosophy. He does not know that the animal has also a soul, the animal has also life. Then he should be killed first.

(Dialectical Spirtualism - Hegel)

RP: Actually Prabhupada acknowledged that so many propaganda was made against Hitler. Prabhupada is right as always

P Das: Yes here in this quote he is especially right. Anyone who discriminates based on race is less than animal. Just like some foolish devotees are feeding other foolish devotees that Prabhupada loved Hitler and hated the Jews.

[PADA: Right, this is how the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahad program is trying to harm the preaching of the sincere Prabhupada devotees who have been preaching in Israel, by trying to make it difficult for them to progress there by linking Krishna to their Nazi process. Its already difficult for any of us to preach as it is, and they want to make it even harder for the preachers. In any case, since Hitler consciousness is less than animal, why are they promoting less than animal consciousness? 

The way to fix the world is to promote less than animal concept of life? Hitler thinks others are not in his bodily designation category, because he is on the bodily concept of life, ... which Srila Prabhupada says is animal consciousness, or less ... when these animal conscious folks become aggressive and attack others based on bodily identification.]  

"The whole history of the world, you just study, is a history of sense gratification. Just take, for example, some twenty years ago one Mr. Adolf Hitler came in the scene, and there was great upheaval as war in Europe and America. From 1933 to 1947 or something like that, the whole world was in trouble. But he is gone, finished. And what did he do? Sense gratification, that's all. 

(Bhagavad-gita Lecture 3.6-10. Los Angeles. 68-12-23)

[PADA: Right, what was accomplished?, sense gratification, and worse -- many people were also slaughtered. And Srila Prabhupada says this is due to accumulated sins. Why should we glorify this tragic mess as something wonderful?] 

P Das: So Srila Prabhupada also says Hitler is less than an animal, pick what quotes u want. For example, when the circumstances are that you live in Germany in the 1940's and are of Jewish origin and are captured by Germans and killed in a concentration camp just because of your bodily designation, then probably your family will be more inclined to accept the statements that Hitler is less than an animal.

[PADA: Right, Hitler died of apparent suicide in a bunker unable to execute his plans, and Srila Prabhupada said leaders who make others fight for them while they sit in a bunker are simply examples of Kali Yuga, the King should be at the front of the Battle. We should glorify false Fuhrers, who kill themselves?]

P Das: Preaching means making disciples Prabhupada says. What is the use of "so many clicks" if no one is following? Let us make disciples for Srila Prabhupada.

[PADA: Right, Prahlad dasa says that their Hitler videos are doing great preaching because "they get so many hits." Yep, and so do the Miami beach bikini contest videos. They are not making functioning preaching programs, neither that can be accomplished by making Hitler videos.]  

TK: I agree with PADA finally. Hari Hari. Furthermore, Stalin claimed Churchill poisoned Roosevelt.  Stalin offered Eleanor to have free autopsy done but she refused. Very intricate ...

[NOTE: Hitler helped Communist Russia take over and become the dominant power in Eastern Europe. The history of Poland from 1945 to 1989 spans the period of Soviet communist dominance imposed after the end of World War II over what had become the Polish People's Republic. These years, while featuring general industrialization and urbanization and many improvements in the standard of living in Poland, were marred by social unrest and severe economic difficulties.

Near the end of World War II, the advancing Soviet Red Army pushed out the Nazi German forces from occupied Poland. In February 1945, the Yalta Conference sanctioned the formation of a provisional government of Poland from a compromise coalition, until postwar elections. Joseph Stalin, the leader of the Soviet Union, manipulated the implementation of that ruling. A practically communist-controlled Provisional Government of National Unity was formed in Warsaw by ignoring the Polish government-in-exile based in London since 1940.

PADA: Anyway, I already know the facts. The soviet satellite states. The communist empire was increased. WW 2 killed millions of people. Its not a good thing for vaisnsvas to get entangled in. Promoting Hitler is already causing some outside people to write me asking, what is going on with this agenda? Its alienating more and more people, as if the gbc has not done enough of that already.]

M Das: This Mukunda prabhu (UK) is "little" Bit to heavy on that topic and PADA told me that he had had sex in the holy dham with a women and not his wife. But especially on that topic on Hitler, Mukunda Prabhu has the best research done and he understood Prabhupada's mood how he has done very difficult acrobatics dependent on audience. 

PADA: Srila Prabhupada was upset when Hansadutta's Schloss was raided and the police found a bunch of books about Hitler. He wrote in his Bhagavatam at the time, we should not read about these Hitler people. So history may have been manipulated by the karmis, its not our job to rectify that, its maya. ys pd] 

Can ISKCON's "New Gurus" Absorb Sins Like Jesus?

Evangelical Hypocrisy: Spawning Atheism?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/exposing-americas-biggest-hypocrites-evangelical_us_5a184f0ee4b068a3ca6df7ad?

Hee hee, the biggest creators of atheism are the evangelicals with their hyprocisy. How ironic! How interesting! ys pd

Mayapura TOVP Accounting in question

[PADA: The GBC's / Rocana's renegade acharyas are not accountable to anyone for anything it would seem? This is why there is an unending mass of under resolved crises, financial accountability issues, contrived banning of questioners and doubters and so on and so forth. Never mind unresolved crises of who is paying for huge lawsuits; Who is changing the books; What about mistreatment of devotees and not funding sick and dying devotees -- and so on ad infinitum. ys pd]   

TOVP Donors Alert

BY: VASTAVIKA DAS

Think that your donation goes for building the TOVP? Digest this factoid. The ILS – ISKCON Leadership Seminars - held every two years in Mayapur through the efforts of Gopal Bhatta Dasa, who has become the de facto Svengali of the GBC management - got $50,000 of TOVP donations two years ago. It's no secret. The announcement was proudly made in front of hundreds of ILS participants in the concluding ceremonies in 2016.

If you don't know what ILS is, it is "five days of seminars to train and inform ISKCON members (paying a nominal fee of $125 or so) on principles of management." Of course, the quid pro quo of the TOVP donation is an opportunity to request pledges of donations from those same participants. The rationale is that the pledges will by far exceed the TOVP donation and that the training will result in more ISKCON members/more donations to TOVP. Pledges and hopes. Not money in the bank.

The TOVP donation to ILS is real cash; no refunds. There is no accounting whether that $50K spent was returned in spades. Perhaps the numbers are irrelevant to the principle. If a person wants to donate to ILS, they can do it directly. However, a generous soul giving money to TOVP is expecting his money to buy construction directly. (Remember the "Buy a brick for $108.") That person has likely not been informed of any third-party schemes to maybe get more money back on the "investment."

Some may argue that the TOVP fundraisers have a right to use the TOVP donations for various "promotions." Surely, there are expenses in fundraising including travel, employees, accommodations, promotional materials, etc. (Where are those numbers and how are they supervised?) However, giving TOVP money to ILS is certainly a stretch. The cozy relationship between Brajavilas (manager of TOVP fundraising) and Gopal Bhatta may have something to do with the money being spent on Gopal Bhatta's signature ILS project. Gopal Bhatta is a multi-millionaire himself so the question of why he doesn't fund the ILS entirely is left to be answered.

Money appears to move around TOVP / Mayapur / ILS and Krishna-knows-what-else in very secretive ways. The accountability is veiled in winks and "understandings." An auditor would likely have an impossible task in trying to match up income and expenditures in a detailed manner. Like any business, there is ample wiggle room to fudge and nudge. So be aware that your donation to TOVP may not be spent in the way you expect. You are giving your money into hands that already have shown that the trust has been betrayed (remember Radhajivana - or how quickly we forget). The CPA's and other accountant firms involved don't and can't show real transparency. It's a shell game.

Yes, the TOVP is continuing to build, but does anyone outside the inner circle know the real financial circumstances? How much is wasted? Misappropriated? Stolen? Anyone ever see the receipts? The financial reports on the TOVP website are unlinked. There is no substantiation. The numbers are not traceable; they could put in any figures.

Giving in the mode of ignorance is condemned by Krishna. Are we giving with open or closed eyes, with blind faith or informed awareness? What have the managers learned and implemented since Radhajivana was summarily removed? Whatever lessons, they have not been shared with the public nor have the details of the accounting.

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