PADA: Not sure how accurate all this is, but its kinda cool! Reminds me how insignificant we teeny jeevas are ... ys pd
Monday, October 13, 2014
Human Creation in Vedas
PADA: Not sure how accurate all this is, but its kinda cool! Reminds me how insignificant we teeny jeevas are ... ys pd
Technique of Deception
http://www.iskcontruth.com/2014/10/techniques-of-mass-deception-in-action.html?
PADA: Good job ISKCON Truth!
PADA: Good job ISKCON Truth!
Sunday, October 12, 2014
Sex, Lies and Allegations Against Gurus
http://sexliesandtwohindugurus.com/photos/
[PADA: We do not know any of the people involved here, and thus cannot vouch for those making any of these claims, but it does look like there could be some problems here. If anyone has more details, let us know! As Srila Prabhupada often says, sex desires are "the golden shackles of the material world." Srila Prabhupada had wanted his movement to be free of "gurus involved in scandals," but it seems his desires were not taken too seriously by many of his "leaders" ... ys pd]
[PADA: We do not know any of the people involved here, and thus cannot vouch for those making any of these claims, but it does look like there could be some problems here. If anyone has more details, let us know! As Srila Prabhupada often says, sex desires are "the golden shackles of the material world." Srila Prabhupada had wanted his movement to be free of "gurus involved in scandals," but it seems his desires were not taken too seriously by many of his "leaders" ... ys pd]
GBC "Zonal Reconfiguration"
http://iskconnews.org/gbc-organisational-development-meetings-in-tirupati-day-1,4637/
[PADA: Amazing really. The GBC says that in 1986 they had a "guru reform" to "eliminate the zonal guru misconception." Yet, every year since, they still assign "zones" to their gurus. Worse, their numbers have been "dying / resigning / blooping" and so now they are down to 32 GBC, ok and that means -- they are losing not only rank and file people (and not gaining) but they are losing numbers in their own guru / management group.
A devotee told us they are panicking now because their numbers are so far down -- and they are not being replaced, which means their whole operation is in danger of dying out. Right!
First of all, they need to admit that they never fixed their original 1978 zonal guru problem. The GBC agreed in 1986 that this zonal acharya program is bogus because gurus do not have "zones," which they admit is wrong, but they STILL refuse to fix. Now they want to make 133 more zones, oh swell, more gurus with more zones! That means they are going to make their "zonal guru" problem WORSE, and not fix it at all! Of course since they do not have 133 GBC gurus, then what? They are contradicting themselves, no wonder they cannot get anything done. ys pd]
[PADA: Amazing really. The GBC says that in 1986 they had a "guru reform" to "eliminate the zonal guru misconception." Yet, every year since, they still assign "zones" to their gurus. Worse, their numbers have been "dying / resigning / blooping" and so now they are down to 32 GBC, ok and that means -- they are losing not only rank and file people (and not gaining) but they are losing numbers in their own guru / management group.
A devotee told us they are panicking now because their numbers are so far down -- and they are not being replaced, which means their whole operation is in danger of dying out. Right!
First of all, they need to admit that they never fixed their original 1978 zonal guru problem. The GBC agreed in 1986 that this zonal acharya program is bogus because gurus do not have "zones," which they admit is wrong, but they STILL refuse to fix. Now they want to make 133 more zones, oh swell, more gurus with more zones! That means they are going to make their "zonal guru" problem WORSE, and not fix it at all! Of course since they do not have 133 GBC gurus, then what? They are contradicting themselves, no wonder they cannot get anything done. ys pd]
About Narottama Das Thakura
http://www.krishna.com/pastimes-narottama-dasa-thakura
From Gauridasa Pandit dasa:
Here's a beautiful purport by Srila Prabhupada to a beautiful song By Sri Narottam Das Thakur --
From Gauridasa Pandit dasa:
Here's a beautiful purport by Srila Prabhupada to a beautiful song By Sri Narottam Das Thakur --
This is a song composed by Narottama dasa Thakura. He prays to Lord Caitanya, "My dear Lord, please be merciful to me, because who can be more merciful than Your Lordship within these three worlds?" Actually, this is a fact. Not only Narottama dasa Thakura, but Rupa Gosvami also prayed to Lord Caitanya in this way. At the time of the first meeting of Lord Caitanya and Rupa Gosvami at Prayaga (Allahabad), Srila Rupa Gosvami said, "My dear Lord, You are the most munificent of all incarnations, because You are distributing love of Krsna, Krsna consciousness."
When Krsna was personally present He simply asked us to surrender, but He did not distribute Himself so easily. He made conditions "First of all you surrender." But this incarnation, Lord Caitanya, although Krsna Himself, makes no such condition. He simply distributes: "Take love of Krsna." Therefore Lord Caitanya is approved as the most munificent incarnation. Narottama dasa Thakura says, "Please be merciful to me. You are so magnanimous because You have seen the, fallen souls of this age and are very much compassionate to them, but You should know also that I-am the-most fallen.
No one is more greatly fallen than me." Patita-pavana-hetu tava avatara: "Your incarnation is just to reclaim the conditioned, fallen souls, but I assure You that You will not find a greater fallen soul than me. Therefore, my claim is first." Then he prays to Lord Nityananda. He says, ha ha prabhu nityananda premananda sukhi: "My dear Lord Nityananda, You are always joyful in spiritual bliss. Since You always appear very happy, I have come to You because I am most unhappy. If You kindly put Your glance over me, I may also become happy."
Then he prays to Advaita Prabhu. Doya koro sita-pati adwaita gosai, Advaita Prabhu's wife's name was Sita. Therefore He is sometimes addressed as sita-pati. Thus Narottama dasa Thakura prays, "My dear Advaita Prabhu, husband of Sita, You are so kind. Please be kind to me. If You are kind to me, naturally Lord Caitanya and Nityananda will also be kind to me." Actually, Advaita Prabhu invited Lord Caitanya to come down. When Advaita Prabhu saw that the fallen souls were all engaged simply in sense gratificatory processes, not understanding Krsna consciousness, He felt very much compassionate toward the fallen souls, and He also felt Himself incapable of claiming them all. He therefore prayed to Lord Krsna,
"Please come Yourself. Without Your personal presence it is not possible to deliver the fallen souls." Thus by His invitation Lord Caitanya appeared. Narottama dasa Thakura prays to Advaita Prabhu, "If You will be kind to me, naturally Lord Caitanya and Nityananda also will be kind to me."
Then he prays to the Gosvamis. Ha ha swarupa, sanatana, rupa, raghunatha. Swarup refers to Svarupa Damodara, the personal secretary of Lord Caitanya. He was always with Caitanya Mahaprabhu and immediately arranged for whatever Caitanya Mahaprabhu wanted. Two personal attendants, Svarupa Damodara and Govinda, were always with Lord Caitanya. Therefore, Narottama dasa Thakura also prays to Svarupa Damodara and. then to the six Gosvamis, the next disciples of Lord Caitanya Sri Rupa Gosvami, Sri Sanatana Gosvami, Sri Bhatta Raghunatha Gosvami, Sri Gopala Bhatta Gosvami, Sri Jiva Gosvami, and Raghunatha dasa Gosvami. These six Gosvamis were directly instructed by Lord Caitanya to spread this movement of Krsna consciousness. Narottama dasi Thakura also prays for their mercy.
After the six Gosvamis, the next acarya was Srinivasa Acarya. Actually, Narottama dasa Thakura was in the disciplic succession after Srinivasa Acarya and was almost his contemporary, and Narottama dasa's friend was Ramacandra Cakravarti. Therefore he prays, "I always desire the company of Ramacandra Cakravarti." He desires a devotee's company. The whole process is that we should always pray for the mercy .of the superior acaryas and keep company with pure devotees. Then it will be easier for us to advance in Krsna consciousness and receive the mercy of Lord Caitanya and Lord Krsna. This is the sum and substance of this song sung by Narottama dasa Thakura.
"Please come Yourself. Without Your personal presence it is not possible to deliver the fallen souls." Thus by His invitation Lord Caitanya appeared. Narottama dasa Thakura prays to Advaita Prabhu, "If You will be kind to me, naturally Lord Caitanya and Nityananda also will be kind to me."
Then he prays to the Gosvamis. Ha ha swarupa, sanatana, rupa, raghunatha. Swarup refers to Svarupa Damodara, the personal secretary of Lord Caitanya. He was always with Caitanya Mahaprabhu and immediately arranged for whatever Caitanya Mahaprabhu wanted. Two personal attendants, Svarupa Damodara and Govinda, were always with Lord Caitanya. Therefore, Narottama dasa Thakura also prays to Svarupa Damodara and. then to the six Gosvamis, the next disciples of Lord Caitanya Sri Rupa Gosvami, Sri Sanatana Gosvami, Sri Bhatta Raghunatha Gosvami, Sri Gopala Bhatta Gosvami, Sri Jiva Gosvami, and Raghunatha dasa Gosvami. These six Gosvamis were directly instructed by Lord Caitanya to spread this movement of Krsna consciousness. Narottama dasi Thakura also prays for their mercy.
After the six Gosvamis, the next acarya was Srinivasa Acarya. Actually, Narottama dasa Thakura was in the disciplic succession after Srinivasa Acarya and was almost his contemporary, and Narottama dasa's friend was Ramacandra Cakravarti. Therefore he prays, "I always desire the company of Ramacandra Cakravarti." He desires a devotee's company. The whole process is that we should always pray for the mercy .of the superior acaryas and keep company with pure devotees. Then it will be easier for us to advance in Krsna consciousness and receive the mercy of Lord Caitanya and Lord Krsna. This is the sum and substance of this song sung by Narottama dasa Thakura.
Saturday, October 11, 2014
Jayapataka Health Update
[PADA: Notice that whenever a GBC guru has any health problems, they go to Cedars Sinai hospital, or similar, and they get "the best doctors in the world." Meanwhile, they booted out thousands of Prabhupada devotees who get nothing when they are sick and dying. Yep, this was always "all about money." Problem is, they cannot take that money with them at the time of death. Of course its also odd how all these gurus have major health crises all the time, they were told not to allow others to touch their feet our they would get other's karma -- and get sick. ys pd]
ILBS is one of the best institutes in the world to deal with liver related complications. The Director of the hospital, Professor Sarin, is a world-renowned liver specialist and is personally treating Maharaja.
Over the last few days several tests were conducted to assess Maharaja’s liver condition, as well to drain the water out from his body.
Some latest test has showed that Maharaja’s veins in his stomach have become enlarged, which in future may cause bleeding and could be very serious. So, in-order to avoid that doctors are proposing few treatments.
Many liters of water have so far been drained and his condition is improving. In general his health is stabilizing, which is very important for the next stage of his liver treatment.
We have also been able to secure a new medicine, which promise to kill the virus and prevent further damage to his liver. This is very good news!
Maharaja has been making quick recovery and we have high hopes that he will be active again soon. We have world-renowned doctors treating and assisting him and there is nothing to worry about.
Due to this situation, Jayapataka Maharaja will remain in Delhi area for a while until he is completely out of any danger.
We understand many of you are very worried and to keep all of you updated we would be posting regular health updates at: fb.com/jayapatakaswami
We also to wish to personally respond to each and every devotee on his/her queries about Maharaja’s health, but due to the services it is not feasible to do so for us. At the same time, so as to answer your queries, we have created a dedicated email and a hotline channel to which you may send your questions or call and we would respond to you within 24 hours. The email address and telephone are: Jpshealth108@gmail, Jpsoffice tel:+91(03472)9245277 (from 10 am to 6 pm IST)
This is a wonderful opportunity for all of us to pray to Sri Radha Madhava and offer the results of our Karitk austerities to him for his speedy recovery.
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Srila Prabhupada Says -
[Regarding considerate and practical caring for devotees in his ISKCON society]
Your write that our society should provide some medical facility, insurance or personnel to handle devotees who become chronically ill and thus ostracized from our society. Of course this kind of management of affairs is better handled by the GBC which I have created for this purpose, I cannot be expected to handle problems of this sort while at the same time writing my books.
First of all, there is not question of a devotee becoming ostracized because he has become ill, nor do I think this is being widely practiced. Who has been ostracized? One of the symptoms of a devotee is that he is kind, so if our Godbrother becomes ill it is our duty to help him get the proper medicine and treatment so that he can recover. Recently our Giriraja became chronically ill in India and had to return to the U.S. for proper medical treatment. There, in our Los Angeles center, he was given his own room, and was able to recuperate comfortably, and now he has returned to his full duties in Bombay.
Now Tamala Kṛṣṇa Goswami has just had a successful hernia operation which was arranged free of charge at one of the most modern hospitals, and there is also a girl devotee undergoing operation there also. Tamala Kṛṣṇa is now living in a room at our temple; the devotees see that he gets all facility, a hospital bed, proper prasadam, and personal care and visiting.
So there is no question of ill treating of our own Godbrothers simply because they are sick, nor should you allow such neglect to go on. So long we have this material body there will be sickness, but we have to remain on the transcendental platform nevertheless.
As far as a centralized medical plan for the whole society, no such plan or facility or insurance has seemed practical as yet. The best thing is to work it out locally, try to find the services of a free medical facility in Seattle, or some way that sick devotees can be cared for; that is your responsibility. I think further questions of this sort can be handled by the GBC.
[Letter to Sukadeva: Bombay 5 April 1974]
Your write that our society should provide some medical facility, insurance or personnel to handle devotees who become chronically ill and thus ostracized from our society. Of course this kind of management of affairs is better handled by the GBC which I have created for this purpose, I cannot be expected to handle problems of this sort while at the same time writing my books.
First of all, there is not question of a devotee becoming ostracized because he has become ill, nor do I think this is being widely practiced. Who has been ostracized? One of the symptoms of a devotee is that he is kind, so if our Godbrother becomes ill it is our duty to help him get the proper medicine and treatment so that he can recover. Recently our Giriraja became chronically ill in India and had to return to the U.S. for proper medical treatment. There, in our Los Angeles center, he was given his own room, and was able to recuperate comfortably, and now he has returned to his full duties in Bombay.
Now Tamala Kṛṣṇa Goswami has just had a successful hernia operation which was arranged free of charge at one of the most modern hospitals, and there is also a girl devotee undergoing operation there also. Tamala Kṛṣṇa is now living in a room at our temple; the devotees see that he gets all facility, a hospital bed, proper prasadam, and personal care and visiting.
So there is no question of ill treating of our own Godbrothers simply because they are sick, nor should you allow such neglect to go on. So long we have this material body there will be sickness, but we have to remain on the transcendental platform nevertheless.
As far as a centralized medical plan for the whole society, no such plan or facility or insurance has seemed practical as yet. The best thing is to work it out locally, try to find the services of a free medical facility in Seattle, or some way that sick devotees can be cared for; that is your responsibility. I think further questions of this sort can be handled by the GBC.
[Letter to Sukadeva: Bombay 5 April 1974]
Friday, October 10, 2014
Development in Vrajabhumi
http://news.vrindavantoday.org/2014/10/bhakti-divide-brajbhoomi/
[PADA: The main problem with Vrndavana seems to be, over the past 50 years or so, there is a lot of talk about reviving the Yamuna, reviving the ghats, reviving the forests, fixing the roads, and so forth. Not much ever seems to get done really. There are signs things are deteriorating in important areas. And some of the recent photos of the state of the Yamuna river there -- are simply awful. I understand the concerns of over-developing Vrndavana, but the other concern is, allowing things to deteriorate and having no back up plan for that problem.
Anyway! Its going to take money, and lots of it, to revive anything there, just like its going to take money to revive my 1973 Ford Pinto. The question no one seems to answer: who is going to provide the money? Yep, problem all along is, who is going to gather together the money to fix anything there? For starters, who is even interested in maintaining and fixing anything there?
The new temple program will bring money to the area, because there will first of all be workers for building the project in the first place. Then, there will be devotees who will come in from all over the world, temporarily as tourists, who will provide lots of local jobs there to cater to these devotee tourists, and this will bring in funds, to assist the local economy.
And then -- with devotee tourist's dollars, and subsequent jobs to care for these tourists, there will be -- local money -- to fix things! And when devotee tourists are coming more, then the state will have an incentive to revive the river, the ghats, the roads, and so forth.
It seems like many people are saying, the status quo is a good plan.
Nope, its not working very well. Some improvement will be better than none, or next to none. As usual, there seems to be no one making a better "plan B," and plan A, the current status, is not working very good either. In any case, doing nothing is not making things any better over there, that is for sure!
We think that the new temple project will put Vrndavana on the map, and then people will naturally start to discuss how to maintain the area. As is often the case especially in India, money is the root cause of anything happening over there. If the river was opened up for example, that would solve the entire water problem overnight. Its a question of getting the politicians motivated to do these things. An important project there might leverage the politicians into action. Lets hope so! Anyway, at least this project is going to build some forests and have cows etc, at least there will be something being done by somebody! ys pd]
[PADA: The main problem with Vrndavana seems to be, over the past 50 years or so, there is a lot of talk about reviving the Yamuna, reviving the ghats, reviving the forests, fixing the roads, and so forth. Not much ever seems to get done really. There are signs things are deteriorating in important areas. And some of the recent photos of the state of the Yamuna river there -- are simply awful. I understand the concerns of over-developing Vrndavana, but the other concern is, allowing things to deteriorate and having no back up plan for that problem.
Anyway! Its going to take money, and lots of it, to revive anything there, just like its going to take money to revive my 1973 Ford Pinto. The question no one seems to answer: who is going to provide the money? Yep, problem all along is, who is going to gather together the money to fix anything there? For starters, who is even interested in maintaining and fixing anything there?
The new temple program will bring money to the area, because there will first of all be workers for building the project in the first place. Then, there will be devotees who will come in from all over the world, temporarily as tourists, who will provide lots of local jobs there to cater to these devotee tourists, and this will bring in funds, to assist the local economy.
And then -- with devotee tourist's dollars, and subsequent jobs to care for these tourists, there will be -- local money -- to fix things! And when devotee tourists are coming more, then the state will have an incentive to revive the river, the ghats, the roads, and so forth.
It seems like many people are saying, the status quo is a good plan.
Nope, its not working very well. Some improvement will be better than none, or next to none. As usual, there seems to be no one making a better "plan B," and plan A, the current status, is not working very good either. In any case, doing nothing is not making things any better over there, that is for sure!
We think that the new temple project will put Vrndavana on the map, and then people will naturally start to discuss how to maintain the area. As is often the case especially in India, money is the root cause of anything happening over there. If the river was opened up for example, that would solve the entire water problem overnight. Its a question of getting the politicians motivated to do these things. An important project there might leverage the politicians into action. Lets hope so! Anyway, at least this project is going to build some forests and have cows etc, at least there will be something being done by somebody! ys pd]
What Will Exist in 100 Years?
PADA: First of all, no I am not a "paid spokesman" for ISKCON Bangalore (IB), the CIA, the Illuminati, or anyone else. Hee hee! Of course, some people have said (a) that I am being paid large sums by the CIA, the Illuminati and so on. Meanwhile, (b) others have said I am a poor guy residing in a trailer park who is living on food stamps. Apparently. the people who work for the CIA do not get paid very well? Yep, some "devotees" are not taking their medications.
What is all this? Its called blaming the messenger.
There will always be different groups (or cliques) of devotees, and this was also the case even when Srila Prabhupada was here: (A) Tamal Krishna swami had his "sannyasa" clique -- guys like Bhavananda, Giriraja, Danavir, Vipramukhya etc; (B) Kirtanananda had his intimate entourage of loyalists; (C) We had our little clique of Sulochana and friends, and we were supporting Vishnujana swami when its came down to his battle between him vs Tamal; (D) Jayatirtha had his group of admirers in Los Angeles; (E) Hansadutta had his "Germany soldiers"; (F) Siddha Swarupa had his "Hawaii faithful" (G) Nitai ran off to the smartas -- and so on and so forth. There always was, and maybe always will be, various cliques of devotees.
There are currently all sorts of such cliques. We also have the Gaudiya Matha's and Narayana Maharaja's cliques, and cliques within these cliques etc. For example, some of Narayana Maharaja's people in one clique -- are now complaining that a competing clique -- intentionally left Narayana Maharaja's body in swamp water to deteriorate -- while the money for his samadhi was taken for other purposes. OK these two groups are not ever going to see eye to eye, never mind there is considerable bitter acrimony between these groups.
The list of "devotee" groups and sectors is endless really, there is the Mahanidhi clique, Radhanath clique, Devamrita clique, and even -- various ritvik cliques ad infinitum, hey that's life. A swami recently declared he was the successor to Sridhara Maharaja, but all the other swamis in that camp said no, this man is not part of the Sridhara mission. So the schisms and break-away camps are endless, and were also endless after 1936 when the Gaudiya Matha schisms started. Anyway, what we are trying to do is to establish certain things that will last way beyond all these temporary infighting groups.
* 100 years from now, we will all be gone, what is going to be left remaining after 100 years?
* That is the real question, which clique or group will have standing, or even be standing at all, 100 years from now?
* And which among "the issues" will be considered as verified by history in 100 years?
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SRILA PRABHUPADA is the ACHARYA. The first thing that needs to be established now for the sake of the future legacy of ISKCON is, who is the actual LEGALLY recognized acharya of ISKCON? At the moment the GBC has established that they ARE the (illegal?) acharyas. Worse they say that acharyas are often: voted in, voted out, suspended, censured, monitored, deviating, falling down into scandals, engaging in illicit sex with disciples, taking drugs, engaging in criminal behaviors, being excommunicated -- and so on. That is how the GBC has officially (legally) presented the position of acharya in ISKCON.
Notice below their "training course" on the "multiple guru environment":
http://bhaktivedantacollege.com/events/disciples-course/
In order to even start to reverse this program, we really need to have at least some sort of legal effort to establish that Srila Prabhupada is (or at least should be) the LEGALLY named acharya of ISKCON, and not all these self-appointed GBC "multiple" guru imitations. Otherwise, his main legally created mission will still be owned (hi-jacked) by these outside parties, who are misrepresenting who is the acharya of ISKCON. There are some folks who say that recovering the name of ISKCON is not even important, why is recovering the ISKCON name not important?
And since ISKCON is the legal name Srila Prabhupada established for his mission, he should be the LEGALLY named acharya of ISKCON, at least in one property somewhere. And his definition of acharya should be the legal reference point for the post of acharya, i.e. a person who does not fall down into scandals, and all this (and more) should be the legally stated and recognized requirement for being the acharya of ISKCON.
Right now ISKCON Bangalore alone has undertaken the job of making Srila Prabhupada the legally named acharya of his own society, aka ISKCON. Self-apparently, no one else has even sufficient interest in this matter to even bother with this LEGAL issue all, never mind the will power and desire to take this matter to court. And its not likely anyone else will even bother to take up this court case function -- to establish ISKCON's actual proper acharya. Worse, the more time we waste (and wait) to do the task of taking all this to court, the harder it will be to do anything later on. Court cases have to made as quickly as possible after the fact, ask any lawyer.
If this case is made in court 100 years from now, the court would ask, why are you trying to change the status quo already in motion for a century? So if we wait 100 years it will be much harder to make changes at that later date. Better to take this matter to task now, or as soon as possible, and yet almost no one else seems to even know that this task is required at all, outside the ISKCON Bangalore folks?
Ask any Christian this question, do we not need to establish that Jesus is the guru of the Christians, or is that not an important issue? It is amazing to us that so many "devotees of Krishna" have no idea how important it is to establish legally who is the acharya of their own religion. Of course, anyone who says that Srila Prabhupada should be the legal acharya of ISKCON will be beaten with shoes by various GBC and their compromisers (as we are being attacked all the time since 1977) and that is to be expected. And so these folks demonize us to preserve their bogus idea, that deviants are the acharyas of ISKCON.
Anyway, 100 years from now it will be publicly known that AT LEAST someone tried to keep Srila Prabhupada in the legal seat of acharya for his mission, whereas hardly anyone will remember these GBC gurus / or the various splinter groups and individuals who opposed making him the LEGAL acharya.
SULOCHANA DAS said that his number ONE priority was to have the bogus GBC gurus challenged legally. And now that has come to pass by Madhu Pandit das' taking legal action against them. A devotee named Praghosha das (the book distributor) says that all these lawsuits have cost the GBC over $55 million dollars, and counting.
Some of the GBC guru's people and their clones keep saying these lawsuits are of no consequence because "no one takes these PADA issues seriously," "this is all laughing out loud LOL," and so on. Ummm, $50,000,000 (and counting) is not "a serious issue"? $50m -- is a "laughing out loud" (LOL) amount of money, its chump change for these fools? No, the bogus GBC is spending all this money because we ARE a serious threat to their false guru program.
What amazes us all the time is that even the worst case karmi mundane person knows that $50m is a VERY significant issue, whereas some of the GBC folks and our other opponents are always clueless about -- what is significant and what is not? Yep, same folks do not think establishing Srila Prabhupada as the acharya is a significant issue either. Lets face it, the opponents of the lawsuits plan have no better plan, and worse, they cannot even sue a chihuahua dog for barking too loud -- never mind take the GBC to task. They will never do anything of substance to oppose the bogus GBC's guru program, and so, they will become dust in history.
Sorry, the "lawsuits issue" is one of the issues me and Sulochana wanted to have happen, and it is happening. The dogs will bark, the caravan will pass. The real reason people object to this lawsuit process is simple, they do not want to see Srila Prabhupada established as the LEGAL acharya of ISKCON, they want the deviants to stay LEGALLY in that seat.
Oh boo hoo!
Hopefully, Srila Prabhupada will gradually be established as the LEGAL acharya at least in a few places to start off, and then this process will expand -- so that within 100 years -- he will have been established as the acharya in MANY more places. We at least pray that will happen. In short, making Srila Prabhupada the legal acharya of ISKCON has many other important legal and practical aspects, such as, -- if he is the legal acharya -- then his pooja system, his initiation system, his unchanged books system, and so forth -- are all going to be followed and fixed automatically. Moreover, it will not be legal to introduce other acharyas and other systems into ISKCON.
In any case Bangalore folks are doing more to make Srila Prabhupada the acharya than any other group(s) at the present time, and we think they will be the important group going forward in time since they are the main folks carrying the ball on this issue.
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SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BOOK LEGACY. Another important legal issue is the original books. We helped solve this to some extent by getting enough interest in the 1980s to start a lawsuit to get the rights for printing original books. Once again, Bangalore ISKCON is really helping along with this issue now by making major contributions to the printing and distribution of these original books.
As Srila Prabhupada said many, many, many times, we need an organization to print and distribute his books, and the critics of our original books program generally have no large scale printing going on, and usually very little book distribution going on. Nor are they very likely to get that process going anytime soon.
Its actually amazing to us that some people would say PADA is bogus for helping in getting the original books lawsuit organized, it seems this should be the number one thing Srila Prabhupada's followers would want? Anyway, we ALSO hope that getting our foot in the door to be part of ISKCON will help us further liberate other areas of Srila Prabhupada's legacy, including his books.
As for those who say no one takes our issues seriously, sorry, even many people in ISKCON are asking for original books only today. We've got that issue on the map! Our friends on other forums tell us they see many ISKCON members making it clear they are quoting ORIGINAL BOOKS, that means our original books idea has -- gone viral! Yep, so 100 years from now -- most people will know that SOME FOLKS stood up and said, hey we want the originals!
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TEMPLE BUILDINGS. There is a long history AND TRADITION connected to temple buildings in India especially. So we think it is important to establish Srila Prabhupada-centered temples NOW -- so that there will be: (Ritvk) initiations of newer people; Standardized worship process; Temple festival's tradition; Preaching process; Acharya's focus; Printing, distributing books; Classes and lectures (using standardized books); Community development, and so on -- established within those temples, all being done starting NOW, so this process will continue OVER TIME.
We do have a number of independent ritviks who have smaller home programs and so on and so forth, which will continue the process in a sort of grass roots effect, and that is good. Better yet is to have official larger temples with a support community being developed. Then, these congregations and temple programs will work together -- where all these programs will be preserved. Bangalore ISKCON is currently making many such temple programs, at least more than anyone else. So they will have a preserved program over time, and that is the need of the hour.
Different people have complained about the Bangalore program, but they are simply not developing temples and communities on this scale. So we are confident that in 100 years their program will still be standing in a number of locations, because for starters their programs will be so widely spread over large geographical areas. And since they will have an organization, they will be doing the preaching, programs, book printing and so on and so forth.
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POISON ISSUE. When we first came out with this issue in 1997. the IRM and others vigorously opposed us for doing that. Actually, we only had maybe half dozen people who even agreed with us on the issue in 1997, and only a few of them who thought it should be launched in 1997. In sum, even many of the "ritviks" thought the issue was TOO EXTREME to be made public.
It is a difficult issue for sure. Unfortunately, ISKCON was not doing great in 1997, so it seemed like an issue that NEEDED to come out, to explain how everything ELSE had gone downhill so badly in ISKCON after 1977.
And we think this issue does explain why everything went down into a criminal downward spiral after 1977, because there was a criminal clique who hi-jacked ISKCON -- after they had apparently poisoned the founder of ISKCON. That history makes a lot more sense. Anyway, the issue is out there for sure, and its getting more people on board on a regular basis.
100 years from now?, well, we think the issue will be accepted very widely by that time. Its the best explanation for how ISKCON went so topsy turvy with criminal mayhem. Maybe by 100 years the issue will have been presented in a legal case, we shall see, but for sure its getting accepted more and more and it will be widely known and accepted as time rolls on.
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History is ALREADY clearly favoring our ideas, that these gurus were never appointed, that these bogus gurus mistreated people, that they changed the books, that there is a poison complaint etc. Meanwhile, everyone else is free to present their own versions of the history all these issues, its a free world out there.
However, we are quite confident our versions are already standing to a large extent, and will still be known, standing and accepted in 100 years. The PADA version of the bogus appointment, the mistreatment of devotees and children, the book changes, the poison issue etc. etc, are all sticking as the factual history and this version is gaining more traction all the time.
No one else seems to be coming up with a better explanation, or an explanation that is gaining steam. Perhaps our explanation, that we started presenting since 1979, has been gaining in wider and wider acceptance, because, there is no better explanation. Some of our exasperated opponents are now saying LOL "laughing" is the best explanation of all this. That's not going to fly. And its certainly not going to last for 100 years. ys pd
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What is all this? Its called blaming the messenger.
There will always be different groups (or cliques) of devotees, and this was also the case even when Srila Prabhupada was here: (A) Tamal Krishna swami had his "sannyasa" clique -- guys like Bhavananda, Giriraja, Danavir, Vipramukhya etc; (B) Kirtanananda had his intimate entourage of loyalists; (C) We had our little clique of Sulochana and friends, and we were supporting Vishnujana swami when its came down to his battle between him vs Tamal; (D) Jayatirtha had his group of admirers in Los Angeles; (E) Hansadutta had his "Germany soldiers"; (F) Siddha Swarupa had his "Hawaii faithful" (G) Nitai ran off to the smartas -- and so on and so forth. There always was, and maybe always will be, various cliques of devotees.
There are currently all sorts of such cliques. We also have the Gaudiya Matha's and Narayana Maharaja's cliques, and cliques within these cliques etc. For example, some of Narayana Maharaja's people in one clique -- are now complaining that a competing clique -- intentionally left Narayana Maharaja's body in swamp water to deteriorate -- while the money for his samadhi was taken for other purposes. OK these two groups are not ever going to see eye to eye, never mind there is considerable bitter acrimony between these groups.
The list of "devotee" groups and sectors is endless really, there is the Mahanidhi clique, Radhanath clique, Devamrita clique, and even -- various ritvik cliques ad infinitum, hey that's life. A swami recently declared he was the successor to Sridhara Maharaja, but all the other swamis in that camp said no, this man is not part of the Sridhara mission. So the schisms and break-away camps are endless, and were also endless after 1936 when the Gaudiya Matha schisms started. Anyway, what we are trying to do is to establish certain things that will last way beyond all these temporary infighting groups.
* 100 years from now, we will all be gone, what is going to be left remaining after 100 years?
* That is the real question, which clique or group will have standing, or even be standing at all, 100 years from now?
* And which among "the issues" will be considered as verified by history in 100 years?
SRILA PRABHUPADA is the ACHARYA. The first thing that needs to be established now for the sake of the future legacy of ISKCON is, who is the actual LEGALLY recognized acharya of ISKCON? At the moment the GBC has established that they ARE the (illegal?) acharyas. Worse they say that acharyas are often: voted in, voted out, suspended, censured, monitored, deviating, falling down into scandals, engaging in illicit sex with disciples, taking drugs, engaging in criminal behaviors, being excommunicated -- and so on. That is how the GBC has officially (legally) presented the position of acharya in ISKCON.
Notice below their "training course" on the "multiple guru environment":
http://bhaktivedantacollege.com/events/disciples-course/
In order to even start to reverse this program, we really need to have at least some sort of legal effort to establish that Srila Prabhupada is (or at least should be) the LEGALLY named acharya of ISKCON, and not all these self-appointed GBC "multiple" guru imitations. Otherwise, his main legally created mission will still be owned (hi-jacked) by these outside parties, who are misrepresenting who is the acharya of ISKCON. There are some folks who say that recovering the name of ISKCON is not even important, why is recovering the ISKCON name not important?
And since ISKCON is the legal name Srila Prabhupada established for his mission, he should be the LEGALLY named acharya of ISKCON, at least in one property somewhere. And his definition of acharya should be the legal reference point for the post of acharya, i.e. a person who does not fall down into scandals, and all this (and more) should be the legally stated and recognized requirement for being the acharya of ISKCON.
Right now ISKCON Bangalore alone has undertaken the job of making Srila Prabhupada the legally named acharya of his own society, aka ISKCON. Self-apparently, no one else has even sufficient interest in this matter to even bother with this LEGAL issue all, never mind the will power and desire to take this matter to court. And its not likely anyone else will even bother to take up this court case function -- to establish ISKCON's actual proper acharya. Worse, the more time we waste (and wait) to do the task of taking all this to court, the harder it will be to do anything later on. Court cases have to made as quickly as possible after the fact, ask any lawyer.
If this case is made in court 100 years from now, the court would ask, why are you trying to change the status quo already in motion for a century? So if we wait 100 years it will be much harder to make changes at that later date. Better to take this matter to task now, or as soon as possible, and yet almost no one else seems to even know that this task is required at all, outside the ISKCON Bangalore folks?
Ask any Christian this question, do we not need to establish that Jesus is the guru of the Christians, or is that not an important issue? It is amazing to us that so many "devotees of Krishna" have no idea how important it is to establish legally who is the acharya of their own religion. Of course, anyone who says that Srila Prabhupada should be the legal acharya of ISKCON will be beaten with shoes by various GBC and their compromisers (as we are being attacked all the time since 1977) and that is to be expected. And so these folks demonize us to preserve their bogus idea, that deviants are the acharyas of ISKCON.
Anyway, 100 years from now it will be publicly known that AT LEAST someone tried to keep Srila Prabhupada in the legal seat of acharya for his mission, whereas hardly anyone will remember these GBC gurus / or the various splinter groups and individuals who opposed making him the LEGAL acharya.
SULOCHANA DAS said that his number ONE priority was to have the bogus GBC gurus challenged legally. And now that has come to pass by Madhu Pandit das' taking legal action against them. A devotee named Praghosha das (the book distributor) says that all these lawsuits have cost the GBC over $55 million dollars, and counting.
Some of the GBC guru's people and their clones keep saying these lawsuits are of no consequence because "no one takes these PADA issues seriously," "this is all laughing out loud LOL," and so on. Ummm, $50,000,000 (and counting) is not "a serious issue"? $50m -- is a "laughing out loud" (LOL) amount of money, its chump change for these fools? No, the bogus GBC is spending all this money because we ARE a serious threat to their false guru program.
What amazes us all the time is that even the worst case karmi mundane person knows that $50m is a VERY significant issue, whereas some of the GBC folks and our other opponents are always clueless about -- what is significant and what is not? Yep, same folks do not think establishing Srila Prabhupada as the acharya is a significant issue either. Lets face it, the opponents of the lawsuits plan have no better plan, and worse, they cannot even sue a chihuahua dog for barking too loud -- never mind take the GBC to task. They will never do anything of substance to oppose the bogus GBC's guru program, and so, they will become dust in history.
Sorry, the "lawsuits issue" is one of the issues me and Sulochana wanted to have happen, and it is happening. The dogs will bark, the caravan will pass. The real reason people object to this lawsuit process is simple, they do not want to see Srila Prabhupada established as the LEGAL acharya of ISKCON, they want the deviants to stay LEGALLY in that seat.
Oh boo hoo!
Hopefully, Srila Prabhupada will gradually be established as the LEGAL acharya at least in a few places to start off, and then this process will expand -- so that within 100 years -- he will have been established as the acharya in MANY more places. We at least pray that will happen. In short, making Srila Prabhupada the legal acharya of ISKCON has many other important legal and practical aspects, such as, -- if he is the legal acharya -- then his pooja system, his initiation system, his unchanged books system, and so forth -- are all going to be followed and fixed automatically. Moreover, it will not be legal to introduce other acharyas and other systems into ISKCON.
In any case Bangalore folks are doing more to make Srila Prabhupada the acharya than any other group(s) at the present time, and we think they will be the important group going forward in time since they are the main folks carrying the ball on this issue.
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SRILA PRABHUPADA'S BOOK LEGACY. Another important legal issue is the original books. We helped solve this to some extent by getting enough interest in the 1980s to start a lawsuit to get the rights for printing original books. Once again, Bangalore ISKCON is really helping along with this issue now by making major contributions to the printing and distribution of these original books.
As Srila Prabhupada said many, many, many times, we need an organization to print and distribute his books, and the critics of our original books program generally have no large scale printing going on, and usually very little book distribution going on. Nor are they very likely to get that process going anytime soon.
Its actually amazing to us that some people would say PADA is bogus for helping in getting the original books lawsuit organized, it seems this should be the number one thing Srila Prabhupada's followers would want? Anyway, we ALSO hope that getting our foot in the door to be part of ISKCON will help us further liberate other areas of Srila Prabhupada's legacy, including his books.
As for those who say no one takes our issues seriously, sorry, even many people in ISKCON are asking for original books only today. We've got that issue on the map! Our friends on other forums tell us they see many ISKCON members making it clear they are quoting ORIGINAL BOOKS, that means our original books idea has -- gone viral! Yep, so 100 years from now -- most people will know that SOME FOLKS stood up and said, hey we want the originals!
==============================
TEMPLE BUILDINGS. There is a long history AND TRADITION connected to temple buildings in India especially. So we think it is important to establish Srila Prabhupada-centered temples NOW -- so that there will be: (Ritvk) initiations of newer people; Standardized worship process; Temple festival's tradition; Preaching process; Acharya's focus; Printing, distributing books; Classes and lectures (using standardized books); Community development, and so on -- established within those temples, all being done starting NOW, so this process will continue OVER TIME.
We do have a number of independent ritviks who have smaller home programs and so on and so forth, which will continue the process in a sort of grass roots effect, and that is good. Better yet is to have official larger temples with a support community being developed. Then, these congregations and temple programs will work together -- where all these programs will be preserved. Bangalore ISKCON is currently making many such temple programs, at least more than anyone else. So they will have a preserved program over time, and that is the need of the hour.
Different people have complained about the Bangalore program, but they are simply not developing temples and communities on this scale. So we are confident that in 100 years their program will still be standing in a number of locations, because for starters their programs will be so widely spread over large geographical areas. And since they will have an organization, they will be doing the preaching, programs, book printing and so on and so forth.
==============================
POISON ISSUE. When we first came out with this issue in 1997. the IRM and others vigorously opposed us for doing that. Actually, we only had maybe half dozen people who even agreed with us on the issue in 1997, and only a few of them who thought it should be launched in 1997. In sum, even many of the "ritviks" thought the issue was TOO EXTREME to be made public.
It is a difficult issue for sure. Unfortunately, ISKCON was not doing great in 1997, so it seemed like an issue that NEEDED to come out, to explain how everything ELSE had gone downhill so badly in ISKCON after 1977.
And we think this issue does explain why everything went down into a criminal downward spiral after 1977, because there was a criminal clique who hi-jacked ISKCON -- after they had apparently poisoned the founder of ISKCON. That history makes a lot more sense. Anyway, the issue is out there for sure, and its getting more people on board on a regular basis.
100 years from now?, well, we think the issue will be accepted very widely by that time. Its the best explanation for how ISKCON went so topsy turvy with criminal mayhem. Maybe by 100 years the issue will have been presented in a legal case, we shall see, but for sure its getting accepted more and more and it will be widely known and accepted as time rolls on.
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History is ALREADY clearly favoring our ideas, that these gurus were never appointed, that these bogus gurus mistreated people, that they changed the books, that there is a poison complaint etc. Meanwhile, everyone else is free to present their own versions of the history all these issues, its a free world out there.
However, we are quite confident our versions are already standing to a large extent, and will still be known, standing and accepted in 100 years. The PADA version of the bogus appointment, the mistreatment of devotees and children, the book changes, the poison issue etc. etc, are all sticking as the factual history and this version is gaining more traction all the time.
No one else seems to be coming up with a better explanation, or an explanation that is gaining steam. Perhaps our explanation, that we started presenting since 1979, has been gaining in wider and wider acceptance, because, there is no better explanation. Some of our exasperated opponents are now saying LOL "laughing" is the best explanation of all this. That's not going to fly. And its certainly not going to last for 100 years. ys pd
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Thursday, October 9, 2014
BBC Widows Story
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-29519669
PADA: This is part of the widows of Vrndavana story ...
Wednesday, October 8, 2014
Vishnujana Swami: Damodar Prayers
Here is Aindra's version:
The month of Damodara. Throughout this month, devotees commemorate the pastime of naughty Lord Krsna’s being bound with ropes by mother Yasoda. Devotees offer lamps daily.
Kartik is the holiest month in the Hindu lunar calendar. It usually overlaps with the months October & November in the English calendar. Kartik Maas, also known as Damodar Maas, is described in the scriptures as the best among months for performing austerities.
Lord Shri Krishna says, “Of all plants, the sacred Tulasi is most dear to Me; of all months, Kartik is most dear, of all places of pilgrimage, My beloved Dwarka is most dear, and of all days,Ekadashi is most dear.” (Padma Purana, Uttara Khand 112.3)
Kartik or the festival of offering lamps to Lord Krishna, glorifies Lord Krishna’s pastime of being bound with ropes by Mother Yashoda. Observing vrata in the month of Kartik is glorified in the Puranas.
“As Sat-yuga is the best of yugas (ages), as the Vedas are the best among scriptures, as Ganga is best of rivers, so Kartik is the best of months, the most dear to Lord Krishna.” (Skanda Purana)
This vrata begins on 4th Oct 2009(this year), and one may observe the following foremost activities throughout the entire month of Kartik:
Japa – chanting the holy names of the Lord.
Worship the Lord by offering ghee lamps (diyas), flowers, incense, food, etc.
Practice brahmacharya – celibacy.
Worship of Tulasi Devi.
Give charity.
Perform austerities.
Tuesday, October 7, 2014
London SCS Temple Opens
http://scsmath.com/memories/13_on/140816-WestLondonInauguration.html
[PADA: New UK center for the Gaudiya Matha's folks, looks very well done. Grand opening was attended by several big shot ISKCON leaders. There are some other "ISKCON independent" centers in UK, for example a Gaura govinda maharaja's center. However! There really is not much going on in UK in terms of functioning temples for the so-called Prabhupadanuga devotees, such as IRM and others.
There just does not seem to be much cooperation among so-called Prabhupada devotees for starters, we are not seeing much in terms of even small home programs. And getting them to try to work together for building independent programs and centers is more or less like pulling rotten teeth out of a mule, -- its difficult and apparently -- could almost be dangerous.
And that may be part of the problem. Right now a few of the so-called Prabhupada devotees from the UK are trying as hard as they can to micro-manage everyone else's programs, like the PADA program, the Bangalore program, the Monsato corporation, and basically take over managing other's programs, and this begs the question -- where is their program -- since 1977? This is apparently the real reason they are so upset with everyone else's making programs and progress, it shows they are not going forward hardly at all there.
At least these Gaudiya Matha folks stick together and cooperate to get a few things done. Again, not endorsing the Gaudiya Matha's folks, however, Srila Prabhupada said even the Rama Krishna mission is getting things done because they focus on working together cooperatively. And Srila Prabhupada said, we should learn something from them about doing practical things in a cooperative spirit, and follow their example. Meanwhile, these other programs will move ahead with or without us.
Of course, then some of the so-called UK Prabhupada folks wonder why people adopt these programs and not the Prabhupada centered program, well, for starters it may be because these other folks have an organized public preaching program, temples and etc. to attract people to. Same folks cannot understand why people keep going to the Bangalore program's temples, well for starters, they have temples! Just saying! ys pd]
[PADA: New UK center for the Gaudiya Matha's folks, looks very well done. Grand opening was attended by several big shot ISKCON leaders. There are some other "ISKCON independent" centers in UK, for example a Gaura govinda maharaja's center. However! There really is not much going on in UK in terms of functioning temples for the so-called Prabhupadanuga devotees, such as IRM and others.
There just does not seem to be much cooperation among so-called Prabhupada devotees for starters, we are not seeing much in terms of even small home programs. And getting them to try to work together for building independent programs and centers is more or less like pulling rotten teeth out of a mule, -- its difficult and apparently -- could almost be dangerous.
And that may be part of the problem. Right now a few of the so-called Prabhupada devotees from the UK are trying as hard as they can to micro-manage everyone else's programs, like the PADA program, the Bangalore program, the Monsato corporation, and basically take over managing other's programs, and this begs the question -- where is their program -- since 1977? This is apparently the real reason they are so upset with everyone else's making programs and progress, it shows they are not going forward hardly at all there.
At least these Gaudiya Matha folks stick together and cooperate to get a few things done. Again, not endorsing the Gaudiya Matha's folks, however, Srila Prabhupada said even the Rama Krishna mission is getting things done because they focus on working together cooperatively. And Srila Prabhupada said, we should learn something from them about doing practical things in a cooperative spirit, and follow their example. Meanwhile, these other programs will move ahead with or without us.
Of course, then some of the so-called UK Prabhupada folks wonder why people adopt these programs and not the Prabhupada centered program, well, for starters it may be because these other folks have an organized public preaching program, temples and etc. to attract people to. Same folks cannot understand why people keep going to the Bangalore program's temples, well for starters, they have temples! Just saying! ys pd]
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