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PADA: The problem is that in order for these book changers like Jayadvaita swami to make the books "free from mistakes," they have to be "free from mistakes" themselves. Jayadvaita has said in public writing that gurus in ISKCON are often falling into illicit sex, and I asked him about this personally, he says yes, gurus fall into illicit sex.
PADA: The problem is that in order for these book changers like Jayadvaita swami to make the books "free from mistakes," they have to be "free from mistakes" themselves. Jayadvaita has said in public writing that gurus in ISKCON are often falling into illicit sex, and I asked him about this personally, he says yes, gurus fall into illicit sex.
So he thinks the guru parampara is defective and even populated by debauchees, therefore he has not even understood the ten offenses, you are not supposed to think of guru as ordinary man, of course if guru is a debauchee he is worse than the ordinary man.
So, a person who claims the parampara contains debauchees should not be re-editing anything. Ramesvara knew that Jayadvaita thinks-- the parampara is full of debauchees -- and he still allowed him to edit the books. So, that is the first problem, they want to make the books free of errors, but they are themselves full of errors. ys pd
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[PADA: Right, despite all the problems we face as devotees of Krishna, we cannot forget the purpose of the Krishna religion, which is to remember Krishna. ys pd]
[PADA: Right, despite all the problems we face as devotees of Krishna, we cannot forget the purpose of the Krishna religion, which is to remember Krishna. ys pd]
Thursday, December 12, 2013
PADA News from January 3, 2000
Gauridasa writesDate: 03. Jan. 2000 From: angel108b@yahoo.com (pada)
1) "BEING OFFENSIVE" update.
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And why do they never explain this, instead they resort to name calling when we ask? I thought that the sanskrit term "sraddha" meant, faith in God and His bona fide guru, not faith in molester's worship? What kind of"faith" is this? Why is this such a big complicated "shastric discussion"deal? Ask anyone on the street the same question, "Are the people who are taking drugs and having illicit sex, and their cheerleaders, gurus"? Nope.This is basic ABC stuff.
Anyway, everybody else in the universe knows that these fallen GBC people are not, were not, could not have been bona fide gurus, except a few holdouts? Also, Jayatirtha's folks said we are "being offensive" in 1978. Why can't we ever get a new line of argument? We hate to be the one to point this out, but your classic "shastric arguments" ended up keeping Jayatirthain power for many more years and caused considerable mayhem, not the least of which is that his head was chopped off and this was reported to millions in the newspapers "Guru's Head Hacked Off." That is the end result of your supporting this man as an acharya.
Why not say, no, he never was a guru? Why not admit? Why is it "offensive"to ask if homosexuals, fools, idiots, rascals and murderers, and their backers, are or were gurus and rati keli residents of Vaikuntha no less? We just don't get it? How can we say that clarifying whom is an acharya and resident of Vaikuntha is offensive? And why not inform the public, "Well the GBC thought he was a guru, and the Gaudiya Matha endorsed him as a guru, but, nope, he was never a guru." This will be a good step towards creating the minimal public credibility of ISKCON.
"The living entity cannot be forgetful of his real identity unless influenced by the avidya potency." Srimad Bhagavatam 3.7.5
"We have come from the spiritual world into this material world. We have forgotten our Father. So we have to revive this relationship with our Father, or God--or Krishna." Lecture, 10.07.75
"...but, in the material world, by the spell of maya or illusion, this eternal relation with the Supreme Personality of Godhead is forgotten..."Srimad Bhagavatam 1.15.25-26
"So, there is chance of falling down even from the personal association ofGod..." Room conversation, 9.19.73
"When the living entity thus turns away from the Supreme Lord, he alsoforgets his own constitutional position as a servant of the Lord." Srimad Bhagavatam 11.2.37
PADA: BUT! Sridhara Maharaja says: "The fallen souls come from the marginal position within the brahmajyoti and not from Vaikuntha." No! We do not originate in the brahmajyoti, moreover Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura says that the brahma-jyoti is hell for the vaishnavas. So, the idea that we originate in hell is --wrong.
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3) To Those Who Would Lead Us In 2000
Here follows a list of New Year Resolutions I would consider important, and should seriously be considered by all the leaders of our beloved ISKCON.
1. Replace harshness with compassion, and pride with humility.
[PADA: Well, if you do not believe in God you need not fear anything.Stupidity.]
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4) From: Gauridas@aol.comDate: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:53:09 EST
A Challenge to 'The Ritvik Heresy'
GD: If you won't remove it and you still think the paper is philosophically sound and should remain there, then please prove it and allow Yasodanandan Prabhu and myself to debate the author of it and anyone else you think would be appropriate. You can invite devotees from around the world or just a few and videotape it. It can be done sooner or later at Rathayatra time when so many devotees come to LA.
The new anti-ritvik video, 'Disciple of my Disciple' was played in the temple room on Srila Prabhupada's disappearance day. The Producer of thevideo says it is an uncensored video. How come it is only one sided? How come I was not asked to contribute? I being one of the direct witnesses to these instructions. It's just politics again! How long will this go on? It's time to work to resolve this matter and stop offending devotees,especially Srila Prabhupada!
Guests are coming to get some mercy and nectar from the temple and they are getting politics. Just yesterday a devotee came up to me and said that he didn't know what initiation system Srila Prabhupada wanted after his departure, but whatever it may be, that Ritvik Heresy paper should not be in the temple room. Please do your duty as a leader and give us the nectar, not politics.
I can say with all certainty that the paper in question is in direct opposition to what Srila Prabhupada said regarding ISKCON Initiations. I personally heard these instructions and they are on tape and documented in the July 9th 1977 Newsletter to all GBC's and Temple Presidents. The Ritvik Heresy paper is an insult and an offense to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada. I have written a response to that paper called 'Dr. Frog Philosophy' (attached at end) and there is another response called 'The GBC Heresy' (available upon request) but I don't pass these out to the innocent guests.
You are doing a great job with the temple with book distribution and the restaurant and so many things. But you also need to improve in certain departments. Your support of that paper being one of them. I hope that istagosthi's are performed regularly with all well behaved devotees invited.
We all have ideas on how to improve our services and so many more would like to be involved with the temple and devotional service in general. Iwould like to give a little more advice now and that is we need more Kirtan! Srila Prabhupada wrote that if the temple has problems we should have a big Kirtan. Kirtan is our medicine! All of the Kirtans are rather short compared to the 'good old days'. I think more would join also if they got a good taste of the nectar of Kirtan rasa.
Another point I would like to raise is that you should preach to the devotees to respect each other regardless of our individual opinions. There is too much impersonalism due to the politics. Love, trust and respect is lacking. Please excuse me for being so direct but I speak only out of duty and because I do respect you a lot. I am advising you for your and thecommunities benefit. My only desire is to follow Srila Prabhupada'sinstructions and help spread the Sankirtan Mission. I am ready to cooperateand I hope you are too.
Hoping this meets you well!Your servant, Gauridasa Pandita Dasa
They are guilty of offending hundreds, maybe thousands of devotees, by disobeying Srila Prabhupada's instructions. They have turned a good wordinto a bad one. It's time to rectify this situation. The GBC must act soon.How many nice devotees have to be abused by the 'gurus' and leave the mission before it sinks in, that something is wrong in ISKCON!
This is Dr. Frog Philosophy! That's the real heresy! This author has also written a piece called Officiating Acharya = Ritvik Acharya = Diksa Guru.On one hand in his Ritvik Heresy paper, he condemns the ritvik initiation system and on the other hand here he's saying the ritvik priests are equal to diksa gurus! "Things equal to the same thing are equal to one another."That's scientific! The real tittle should read Officiating Acharya = RitvikAcharya = Deputy.
These are the terms Srila Prabhupada used.
We need to stick to what the guru actually said and not engage in speculations and fancy word jugglery that is so common today. Srila Prabhupada never appointed diksa gurus as is alleged by so many today. H epreached strongly against it.
It's time to stop listening to the croaking of the frogs in the wells, who will just get eaten by the snakes of offenses, and listen to Srila Prabhupada without adding or subtracting anything. Your servant, GauridasaPandita Dasa
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1) "BEING OFFENSIVE" update.
2) "ORIGIN OF THE SOUL" ISSUE (by pada)
3) To Those Who Would Lead Us In 2000
4) From: Gauridas@aol.com
Dear folks, PAMHO. AGTSP.
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BHAKTA VIC
PADA: Did you see this prabhu?Vic: yes sir.
[PADA: What can I say? Another guy who thinks that molestation and murder,in the name of gurus worshipped like Jesus, is something to respond to withsmart ass remarks, hey just like the GBC! And Vic admits he is trained upby Dhanurdhara, a KNOWN child beater and supporter of the homosexualpedophile guru lineage? Hmmm, just when we thought that Vic was going toreally show us he is not from that mold? Come on Vic, you know better thanto chant GBC styled wisecracks on these topics. Update: Vic just said thatthose of us who tried to stop the molestation are: kuku (but Dhanurdhara isa good guy)! Told ya!]
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Dear Raghu, I had already replied to your articles on economics previouslyand had said that these things can only be developed when our society ismore stable. Right now, as Sridhari dd says, it is like an atomic bomb hasgone off in our city. Under such circumstances, building a community effortlike economics is very difficult. The Gaudiya Matha also dwindled ineconomic respects due to making false gurus, Jim Jones movement crumbleddue to false pooja and so on and so forth.
Just look at any place in the world where there is "relgion in conflict"and you will see that the economy is the first thing to be totally shot to hell, and the poor citizens suffer horribly. Thus, this schism influence has to be routed out before the economic reform can be proposed. Just like Hare Krishna dasi, she writes about ox power and farms, but she cannot tolerate living on an actual ISKCON farm under the current managers, and having real oxen. So, your and her ideas are good, for down the road development, but are hard for us to find a proper application right now.Also, the "next letter" you asked about was in an article penned by someone else, not us. He is still working on that letter. Hope this helps....
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1) "BEING OFFENSIVE" update. Some of our Gaudiya Matha friends keep writingto tell us that "PADA is being offensive" for challenging their GaudiyaMatha support of folks like the GBC as --gurus. That is the difference between Srila Prabhupada and many of his God brothers. We could all ask Srila Prabhupada, "Are persons who are taking drugs and engaging in illicit sex, and their backers from the Gaudiya Matha, bona fide gurus"?
Srila Prabhupada would not EVERsay, "What an offensive question!" No. He'd just say, "No, they are not, and were not, bona fide gurus." Bas. Simple. Why can't we return to the actual shastric standard?
In fact, Srila Prabhupada says that Professor Sannyal, Sridhara Maharaja'sco-helper in the 1936 guru debacle, was killed by Krishna for supporting this bogus guru Ananta Vasudeva. So, he confirms that both the bogus gurus --and-- their supporters are severely offensive. So, are we to say thent hat Srila Prabhupada was being offensive for pointing these things out, as the Gaudiya Matha folks seem to imply? What is the point here? And the Gaudiya Matha folks are still saying that the GBC idea is not found in shastra, meaning what, that they are proud of deviating from the order of their guru and dismantling his GBC idea?
Srila Prabhupada would also not EVER say, "When Ramesvara is out dating a 13 year old girl at night he is not a guru, but when he puts on saffron in the morning he is a guru," ...the type of antics which were reported to Sridhara Maharaja and he kept saying that Jayatirtha, Ramesvara et al.should be still be worshiped as acharyas since, "We must not to disturb the sraddha (faith) of the disciple." Faith, in what? Disciple of, what?Worship of, what?
And why do they never explain this, instead they resort to name calling when we ask? I thought that the sanskrit term "sraddha" meant, faith in God and His bona fide guru, not faith in molester's worship? What kind of"faith" is this? Why is this such a big complicated "shastric discussion"deal? Ask anyone on the street the same question, "Are the people who are taking drugs and having illicit sex, and their cheerleaders, gurus"? Nope.This is basic ABC stuff.
We find it rather amazing how people write everything under the sun to us except, "Well right, these people are not, were not, could not have been: acharyas, parampara gurus, diksha gurus, etc. Right. Agreed." Why is this like pulling a mule here? Tripurari reportedly said that some gurus have one foot here, one foot there, one foot here. Hmmmm? And does he know where they are sticking their other body parts? Small wonder the GBC invited him to speak in LA recently.
Anyway, everybody else in the universe knows that these fallen GBC people are not, were not, could not have been bona fide gurus, except a few holdouts? Also, Jayatirtha's folks said we are "being offensive" in 1978. Why can't we ever get a new line of argument? We hate to be the one to point this out, but your classic "shastric arguments" ended up keeping Jayatirthain power for many more years and caused considerable mayhem, not the least of which is that his head was chopped off and this was reported to millions in the newspapers "Guru's Head Hacked Off." That is the end result of your supporting this man as an acharya.
Why not say, no, he never was a guru? Why not admit? Why is it "offensive"to ask if homosexuals, fools, idiots, rascals and murderers, and their backers, are or were gurus and rati keli residents of Vaikuntha no less? We just don't get it? How can we say that clarifying whom is an acharya and resident of Vaikuntha is offensive? And why not inform the public, "Well the GBC thought he was a guru, and the Gaudiya Matha endorsed him as a guru, but, nope, he was never a guru." This will be a good step towards creating the minimal public credibility of ISKCON.
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2) "ORIGIN OF THE SOUL" ISSUE (by pada)
Srila Prabhupada: "As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately we are covered by Maya. Formerly, we were with Krishna in His lila or sport, but this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration.Therefore, many creations are coming and going. Due to this long period of time, it is sometimes said that we are ever-conditioned ...Unless one develops full devotional service to Krishna, he goes up only to brahma-sayujya but falls down. After millions and millions of years of keeping oneself away from the lila of the Lord, when one comes to Krishnaconsciousness, this period becomes insignificant, just like dreaming.Because he falls down from brahma sayujya, he thinks that may be his origin, but he does not remember that, before that even, he was with Krishna."
(Part of a paper made by the GBC) "THE ORIGIN OF THE JIVA: BRAHMAJYOTI ORKRISHNA LILA", taken from an Australian conversation with Srila Prabhupada Transcribed as "Nectar of the Month," BBT Report, January, 1982.
"The living entity cannot be forgetful of his real identity unless influenced by the avidya potency." Srimad Bhagavatam 3.7.5
"We have come from the spiritual world into this material world. We have forgotten our Father. So we have to revive this relationship with our Father, or God--or Krishna." Lecture, 10.07.75
"...but, in the material world, by the spell of maya or illusion, this eternal relation with the Supreme Personality of Godhead is forgotten..."Srimad Bhagavatam 1.15.25-26
"...so the potency to fall under the influence of the lower energy is always there." Letter to Rayarama, 12.2.68
"So, there is chance of falling down even from the personal association ofGod..." Room conversation, 9.19.73
"The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature.And this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always the chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." Letter to Jagadish, 4.25.70
"When the living entities desire to enjoy themselves, they develop aconsciousness of duality and come to hate the service of the Lord." Srimad Bhagavatam 4.28.53
"When the living entity thus turns away from the Supreme Lord, he alsoforgets his own constitutional position as a servant of the Lord." Srimad Bhagavatam 11.2.37
"Yes. The conditioned souls are parts and parcels of the Lord and thus werewith Krishna before being conditioned ...similarly, each soul has seen Krishna..." Letter to Jagadish, 2.25.70
"We are all originally Krishna conscious entities..." Hare Krishna album
"Regarding your questions concerning the spirit soul’s falling into maya’sinfluence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krishna are more likely to fall into nescient activities.
Usually,anyone who has developed his relationship with Krishna does not fall down in any circumstances, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence. But his relationship with Krishna is never lost. Simply it is forgotten by the influence of maya, so it may be regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name..." Letter to Jagadish, 4.25.70
PADA: BUT! Sridhara Maharaja says: "The fallen souls come from the marginal position within the brahmajyoti and not from Vaikuntha." No! We do not originate in the brahmajyoti, moreover Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura says that the brahma-jyoti is hell for the vaishnavas. So, the idea that we originate in hell is --wrong.
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3) To Those Who Would Lead Us In 2000
BY PETER MITCHELL
Here follows a list of New Year Resolutions I would consider important, and should seriously be considered by all the leaders of our beloved ISKCON.
1. Replace harshness with compassion, and pride with humility.
[PADA: That has not been able to happen since the GBC and Gaudiya Mathahave said that the rude, the crude, the belligerant, the harsh, the non-compassionate, the non-humble, the violent, and so on, are --eternal gurus. And as such, trying to replace such bogus gurus is very difficult because they create violent cults. So, while talking about "replacing" we have to address: why has it been so hard to dislodge these harsh or evil persons? So let us look at the guru cults or vapuh-vada root ideas.]
2. Address long standing grievences rather than sweep them under the rug.
[PADA: Once again, thanks to the GBC and Gaudiya Matha targetting bogus people as gurus, there is a tendency to sweep genuine problems under the rug. As Sridhara Maharaja says, "You cannot criticize (his and the GBC'sbogus gurus) since this will destroy the sraddha of the disciple."Meanwhile, the bogus guru is destroying everything he comes in contact with. Read: do not speak up. And of course, the GBC will ensure that you get banned, beaten and shot if you do speak up.]
3. Show more concern for people, than buildings and bank balances.
[PADA: Gaudiya Matha outcome for sure, bricks and stones.]
3. Replace ambitious leaders with qualified ones.
[PADA: Another contradiction. An ambitious person is not a guru.]
4. Bring to justice all those who have committed unspeakable crimes.
[PADA: OK good, for starters issue a decree that they are not, were not,gurus.]
5. Stop demanding respect.6. Consider power and prestige no longer motives.7. Give up arrogance, politics and deception.
[PADA: And why has the GBC and the Gaudiya Matha targetted people with these qualities as gurus?]
8. Stop thinking that we have a patent on Prabhupada's mission.
[PADA: Ditto of what occured in the Gaudiya Matha.]
9. Realize that the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness is absolute and cannot be altered by legislation.
[PADA: Ditto of the Gaudiya Matha, "High Court Judge" consciousness.]
[PADA: Ditto of the Gaudiya Matha, "High Court Judge" consciousness.]
10. Understand that the problems facing our movement cannot be corrected by mundane solutions.
11. Start thinking ourselves as servants rather than masters.
12. Stop the merciless sacrifice of countless gentle souls on the plea of"mercy" for a handful of rogues.
[PADA: Well, why did the GBC and the Gaudiya Matha say these rogues are gurus?]
13. Develop enough courage and integrity to apologize to those we hurt so much.
14. Bring back to the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's lotus feet, all those we have driven away.
15. Acknowledge Srila Prabhupada's pre-eminence.
[PADA: Oh oh! The ritvik deviation! He shall be beaten upon with shoes!]
16. Develop selfless dedication to Srila Prabhupada.
[PADA: The GBC and Narayana Maharaja say that is not possible since youmust worship a living --GBC or molester?]
17. Sincerely pray every day that the Supreme Lord may save us from the most heinous forms of punishment meted out to offenders, as described inthe Srimad Bhagavatam.
[PADA: Well, if you do not believe in God you need not fear anything.Stupidity.]
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4) From: Gauridas@aol.comDate: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:53:09 EST
Subject: Re: Happy 2000
Dear Puranjana Prabhu, PAMRO AGTSP! Thanks for the good wishes. I want to start the year out right and set a trend for more reform so I wrote Svavasa this letter. I hope our victory for Srila Prabhupada is near. Best wishes,Gauridasa Pandita Dasa
A Challenge to 'The Ritvik Heresy'
Dear Svavasa Prabhu, January 1, 2000
Happy New Year !!!Please accept my respectful obeisances. All glories to Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada
I am writing you to beg a bold request. Please remove the paper, 'TheRitvik Heresy' from the alter of Sri Sri Rukmini and Dwarkadish in the temple room.
I am writing you to beg a bold request. Please remove the paper, 'TheRitvik Heresy' from the alter of Sri Sri Rukmini and Dwarkadish in the temple room.
[PADA: Gauridasa! The GBC has no interest in honest debate, but we like your plucky nature. Keep it up! Even Srila Prabhupada kept asking theGaudiya Matha to fix their guru mess, knowing that they probably would not.]
GD: If you won't remove it and you still think the paper is philosophically sound and should remain there, then please prove it and allow Yasodanandan Prabhu and myself to debate the author of it and anyone else you think would be appropriate. You can invite devotees from around the world or just a few and videotape it. It can be done sooner or later at Rathayatra time when so many devotees come to LA.
The last debate we had was at the GBC meeting in San Diego in 1990, 10 years ago! The resolution of that meeting was to have another meeting and discuss this most important issue further. That meeting has not happened to date. Please allow a meeting to happen and help us to resolve this matter, so we can cooperate more and more again as Srila Prabhupada wants.
The new anti-ritvik video, 'Disciple of my Disciple' was played in the temple room on Srila Prabhupada's disappearance day. The Producer of thevideo says it is an uncensored video. How come it is only one sided? How come I was not asked to contribute? I being one of the direct witnesses to these instructions. It's just politics again! How long will this go on? It's time to work to resolve this matter and stop offending devotees,especially Srila Prabhupada!
Both sides of this issue need to meet in a nice Vaisnava fashion and stop throwing booms over the fence hoping that it ends the controversy. Itwon't! Only the Truth will prevail! And that is that Srila Prabhupada is still the Guru of ISKCON and can and will deliver any and all who take shelter of him and follow his instructions. Our duty is to help people take shelter of Srila Prabhupada, not ourselves. We should inspire the devotees to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada as Visnujana Swami did.
We need to have open communications with all honesty to resolve our problems and then we can work together to push on this great movement in this new century. Let the Golden Age of Lord Chaitanya continue without politics and then it will attract so many more souls to cooperate and spread the Sankirtan mission of Sri Sri Guru and Gouranga.
Guests are coming to get some mercy and nectar from the temple and they are getting politics. Just yesterday a devotee came up to me and said that he didn't know what initiation system Srila Prabhupada wanted after his departure, but whatever it may be, that Ritvik Heresy paper should not be in the temple room. Please do your duty as a leader and give us the nectar, not politics.
I can say with all certainty that the paper in question is in direct opposition to what Srila Prabhupada said regarding ISKCON Initiations. I personally heard these instructions and they are on tape and documented in the July 9th 1977 Newsletter to all GBC's and Temple Presidents. The Ritvik Heresy paper is an insult and an offense to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada. I have written a response to that paper called 'Dr. Frog Philosophy' (attached at end) and there is another response called 'The GBC Heresy' (available upon request) but I don't pass these out to the innocent guests.
Don't you care about being implicated in the reactions as the localleader? Don't you think a further study and discussion would beappropriate? I hope so!
You are doing a great job with the temple with book distribution and the restaurant and so many things. But you also need to improve in certain departments. Your support of that paper being one of them. I hope that istagosthi's are performed regularly with all well behaved devotees invited.
We all have ideas on how to improve our services and so many more would like to be involved with the temple and devotional service in general. Iwould like to give a little more advice now and that is we need more Kirtan! Srila Prabhupada wrote that if the temple has problems we should have a big Kirtan. Kirtan is our medicine! All of the Kirtans are rather short compared to the 'good old days'. I think more would join also if they got a good taste of the nectar of Kirtan rasa.
Class could be rescheduled to before the greeting of the Deities and then the Kirtan could go on and those who had to leave could and those who want more nectar could stay. Theevening arati is short also, and so many interested guests are sometimes rudely turnedaway. Can the temple room stay open later and have someone else lock it up?
Another point I would like to raise is that you should preach to the devotees to respect each other regardless of our individual opinions. There is too much impersonalism due to the politics. Love, trust and respect is lacking. Please excuse me for being so direct but I speak only out of duty and because I do respect you a lot. I am advising you for your and thecommunities benefit. My only desire is to follow Srila Prabhupada'sinstructions and help spread the Sankirtan Mission. I am ready to cooperateand I hope you are too.
Hoping this meets you well!Your servant, Gauridasa Pandita Dasa
Article Dr Frog Philosophy:
Dr. Frog Philosophy
There have been so many articles on the ritvik initiation system lately both for and against it, that it is a constant job to keep up with it all.If you look at those who are for it and at those who are against it you will find an obvious contrast. The devotees who are against it are usuallyISKCON gurus; ISKCON wanna be gurus; Gaudiya Math gurus; Gaudiya Math wannabe gurus and fanatical followers of the all of the above.
The Devotees who are for the ritvik system are an ever-increasing group ofsincere devotees who just want to see Srila Prabhupada's orders carried outso that we can have a reunited and expanding movement again. What could bethe ulterior motive of these individuals? The possible ulterior motives for those who are against the ritvik initiation system are obvious. Profit,distinction and adoration to name a few. Plus since ISKCON has no retirement account it's a good way to secure one. The guru system has become a business in ISKCON as elsewhere. It's time to separate the two.
There have been so many articles on the ritvik initiation system lately both for and against it, that it is a constant job to keep up with it all.If you look at those who are for it and at those who are against it you will find an obvious contrast. The devotees who are against it are usuallyISKCON gurus; ISKCON wanna be gurus; Gaudiya Math gurus; Gaudiya Math wannabe gurus and fanatical followers of the all of the above.
The Devotees who are for the ritvik system are an ever-increasing group ofsincere devotees who just want to see Srila Prabhupada's orders carried outso that we can have a reunited and expanding movement again. What could bethe ulterior motive of these individuals? The possible ulterior motives for those who are against the ritvik initiation system are obvious. Profit,distinction and adoration to name a few. Plus since ISKCON has no retirement account it's a good way to secure one. The guru system has become a business in ISKCON as elsewhere. It's time to separate the two.
It's time to put Srila Prabhupada back as the one and only diksa guru in ISKCON. We all accept the fact that he is the main siksa guru in ISKCON,but we must understand also that he should be the only diksa guru in ISKCON. This will happen when the proper initiation system is put in placeby the proper authority, the GBC.
So many devotees are writing against the ritvik initiation system with a poor fund of knowledge. It's kind of like the example that Srila Prabhupadaused to give of the frog in the well. The frog is trying to understand how big the ocean is by comparing it with his well. Then he compares it withhis throat by expanding it bigger and bigger until it explodes! This iswhat the critics are doing to themselves by condemning Srila Prabhupada'sinstructions for such a system as outlined in his July 9th 1977 Newsletter to all GBC's and Temple Presidents. They don't understand how serious it isto condemn these instructions as the GBC themselves have done with official resolutions against the ritvik initiation system. Those who preach against it and mislead others are guilty of disobeying the orders of the spiritual master, a serious offense.
They are guilty of offending hundreds, maybe thousands of devotees, by disobeying Srila Prabhupada's instructions. They have turned a good wordinto a bad one. It's time to rectify this situation. The GBC must act soon.How many nice devotees have to be abused by the 'gurus' and leave the mission before it sinks in, that something is wrong in ISKCON!
Now we even have the scientist preacher getting into the debate! Does hewant to be a guru too? He had one librarian who was interested in himbefore; but I think she got fried with his politics. He authored the paper,'The Ritvik Heresy' where he uses a tape that has been proven to be doctored as his 'main evidence' and ignores Srila Prabhupada's written order of July 9th 1977!
Srila Prabhupada never made a policy change on a tape! He did everything in writing. At the same time on the May 28th tape he says he's appointing officiating acharyas or ritviks to initiate his disciples 'after his departure' in the beginning of the tape, before any doctoring occurs. He also says that you can be a 'regular guru' when heorders us. Has any of the current gurus received this order? And if they have they should be a guru in their own temples. They should have the potency to inspire and expandthe preaching mission as Srila Prabhupada did. For this 'scientificpreacher' to preach about the initiation system is like the frog in thewell trying to understand the ocean.
This is Dr. Frog Philosophy! That's the real heresy! This author has also written a piece called Officiating Acharya = Ritvik Acharya = Diksa Guru.On one hand in his Ritvik Heresy paper, he condemns the ritvik initiation system and on the other hand here he's saying the ritvik priests are equal to diksa gurus! "Things equal to the same thing are equal to one another."That's scientific! The real tittle should read Officiating Acharya = RitvikAcharya = Deputy.
These are the terms Srila Prabhupada used.
On October 18 1977, less than a month before his departure, Srila Prabhupada said: Hare Krsna. One Bengali gentleman has come from New York? Tamal KG: Yes; Mr Sukamal Roy Chowdury.Srila Prabhupada: So I have deputed some of you to initiate. Hmm?TKG: Yes. Actually...Yes, Srila Prabhupada.Srila Prabhupada: So I think Jayapataka can do that if he likes. I have already deputed. Tell him.TKG: Yes.Srila Prabhupada: So, deputies, Jayapataka's name was there? Bhagavan: It is already on there, Srila Prabhupada. His name was on that list.Srila Prabhupada: So I depute him to do this at Mayapura, and you may gowith him. I stop for the time being. Is that alright? TKG: Stopped doing what, Srila Prabhupada? Srila Prabhupada: This initiation. I have deputed the, my disciples. Is itclear or not?Giriraja: It's clear.Srila Prabhupada: You have got the list of names? TKG: Yes, Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada: And if by Krsna's grace I recover from this condition,then I shall begin again, or I may not be pressed in this condition to initiate. It is not good. Giriraja: We will explain to him so that he will understand properly. Srila Prabhupada: Hm? Hm?
Giriraja: I said we will explain to the Bengali gentleman just as you havedescribed to us, so that he'll be satisfied with this arrangement.
We need to stick to what the guru actually said and not engage in speculations and fancy word jugglery that is so common today. Srila Prabhupada never appointed diksa gurus as is alleged by so many today. H epreached strongly against it.
I just read another long article against theritvik initiation system that started out saying it was short. Anyone who read it could see that it was very long. Many articles claim that the ritvik system isn't supported by guru, sastra and sadhu. Isn't Srila Prabhupada the guru? He said to do it! Whatever the bona fide guru says to his disciples is as good as sastra and there is nothing in sastra forbidding it! Ritvik priests, or officiators, are mentioned in the sastra.
In the Krsna book there are the brahmin priests and ritviks are mentionedi n other parts of the Srimad Bhagavatam. It is supported by sadhus such asSridhara Maharaja who also ordered a ritvik initiation system before hepassed away. It is also supported by hundreds of current sadhus. So theritvik system is supported by guru, sastra and sadhu and the sooner we face the Truth and act on it the better off we'll be!
I personally heard Srila Prabhupada order the ritvik initiation system forthe future of ISKCON but no GBC man, (except one who didn't keep his wordthat there would be major changes in ISKCON), has cared to ask me about it.They ask everyone but the witnesses in this regard and that alone issuspicious. The Ritvik Heresy papers are still in the LA Temple room for the innocent public based on unscientific research, the same thing the author criticizes the materialistic scientists for, while the Truth is still hidden.
It's time to stop listening to the croaking of the frogs in the wells, who will just get eaten by the snakes of offenses, and listen to Srila Prabhupada without adding or subtracting anything. Your servant, GauridasaPandita Dasa
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Wednesday, December 11, 2013
Tuesday, December 10, 2013
Mahapurusha Das: Involve District Attorney in Philidelphia
[PADA: Devotees who have been mistreated in Philadelphia are being advised by Mahapurusha das to write to the District Attorney's office. We agree. ys pd]
BY: MAHAPURUSHA DASA
After reading the articles written by Martin Luther and myself, I am confident that devotees of the Lord throughout the world get an idea of what is going on in ISKCON Philadelphia. It is a terrible and tragic situation and I feel horrible to be the bearer of more bad news.
The situation in ISKCON Philadelphia is very serious. Ravindra Svaurapa dasa (William H. Deadwyler, Ph.D.) is alleged to have committed aggravated assault in the City of Philadelphia. Aggravated assault that does not involve serious bodily injury is a second degree felony, punishable by up to ten years in prison and a fine of up to $25,000. There is a substantial amount of evidence alleged in this accusation.
The other more important thing, however, is that I allege there has been witness intimidation. If so, this is a very serious crime, especially in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Actually, witness intimidation has recently become a federal offense in Pennsylvania. Witness intimidation is a major obstruction of justice, especially in violent crimes. Violent crimes, especially assault, are particularly reviled here in Philadelphia by the Justice system. Even more when they are committed by those in some kind of power. If a person is harassed and intimidated to prevent them from reporting a crime, this may also be considered witness intimidation.
I allege that both Ghandharvika dasi and Savitri dasi's testimony of events were both manipulated and distorted by both Ravindra Svarupa and ISKCON Resolve. Of course, other GBC were implicated, as the whole incident was reviewed by the North American GBC.
This my humble request of ISKCON Philadelphia: hand Ravindra Svarupa over to civil authorities. We want to resolve this issue. All of us want him out of power. Just call the police. Get a restraining order to protect Mother Savitri, and contact the District Attorney's Office of Philadelphia. I have been putting together all of this evidence against Ravindra Svarupa and I am about to present the evidence to them. They will then decide if there is enough evidence to warrant an investigation; this is standard procedure. These are very serious allegations and the authorities must be made aware of them. Obviously, ISKCON leadership is not prepared or qualified to deal with civil and criminal complaints. Putting your faith in ISKCON Resolve to solve this is ridiculous and naïve, especially when you see that they appear to be implicated in the whole situation. Most of them work at different jobs. This would never be acceptable anywhere. If the matter is taken to the authorities, I guarantee he will have to leave immediately and the congregation will not be left with some type of "pension".
Mother Ghandharvika: Everyone knows what happened. You were manipulated by your so-called guru and you need to come clean about what happened. Not only is this for your own sake, but for the ultimate benefit of the Krishna Consciousness Movement. How can you let him treat you like this? He has made you look like a coward, liar and fool. Everyone, including myself, will understand how Ravindra Svarupa, ISKCON Resolve and the GBC manipulated and lied to you. Please tell the truth.
To the GBC, ISKCON Resolve and Ravindra Svarupa dasa: You need confess your crimes and sins in this situation and maybe the Justice system and the Lord will take mercy on you. It is horrible and unconscionable how Ghandharvika and Savitri have been treated under the guidance of Ravindra Svarupa dasa. And I haven't even begun to formally make my own allegations of abuse, which are forthcoming and you are aware of. I allege that these events clearly show that ISKCON Resolve directly intimidated and manipulated the testimony and account of these women in regard to the abuse perpetrated by Ravindra Svarupa dasa. You should be forewarned that I plan to see all these allegations to the limit of justice in the service of Lord Krishna and Srila Prabhupada.
Oneiskcon Site says: GBC Are Authoritarian Dictator Tyrants: Agreed!
http://www.oneiskcon.com/a-glimpse-at-a-previous-incarnation-of-the-parallel-lines-paper/
RAYA NITAI Dasa; I was privileged to have a small part in the process of designing this piece of legislation. I was presented with an eighth draft of the paper about a year ago and I gave some input at that time, although it appears to have been largely discarded.
[PADA: The Paralell Lines of Authority paper idea has been around for over a decade, and its never been finalized because there are no examples of God's successor gurus being under the control of a managerial body, and having (1) gurus and (2) managers on paralell (equal) platforms. There is no such thing as the managers of a Church being equals to Jesus and having paralell positions of authority. Its an insane proposal from square one.]
I was asked by the member of the Parallel Lines Committee who gave me the draft, not to share it with anyone so that there would not be different versions of the paper floating around.
[PADA: There are already different versions floating around?]
Therefore, I have not and will not share the draft with anyone. However, in order to show the direction the committee has adopted in regards to creating this legislation, I will provide short excerpts from the eighth draft that have been omitted from the final edition. I feel that this is necessary to illustrate to the reader exactly what is in the minds of the leadership of ISKCON.
When the final edition was made public, I noticed that many important points that were previously included in the eighth draft were left out, making the final edition an extremely one-sided and authoritarian piece of legislation. I also noticed that many quotes from Srila Prabhupada that were very relevant to the subject matter had been omitted.
In this report, I will show, in-depth, how the leadership of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness is mirroring the current secular geo-political trend of implementing authoritarian rule over the public and effectively eliminating most, if not all of every citizen’s Krishna-given liberties.
This trend also bears a canny resemblance to the Zonal-Acharya system, which was allowed, by the GBC, to foster for over a decade after the disappearance of our beloved Founder-Acharya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. The difference being the GBC acting as the sole, unified Zonal-Acharya, instead of a group of swamis and gurus, with little connection to one another, competing for supremacy.
[PADA: Yep, what we said all along, its a bunch of tyrant dictators posing as messiahs, thanks Raya Nitai das and One ISKCON for agreeing with PADA. You guys are saying what we said in 1979, welcome aboard! ys pd]
RAYA NITAI Dasa; I was privileged to have a small part in the process of designing this piece of legislation. I was presented with an eighth draft of the paper about a year ago and I gave some input at that time, although it appears to have been largely discarded.
[PADA: The Paralell Lines of Authority paper idea has been around for over a decade, and its never been finalized because there are no examples of God's successor gurus being under the control of a managerial body, and having (1) gurus and (2) managers on paralell (equal) platforms. There is no such thing as the managers of a Church being equals to Jesus and having paralell positions of authority. Its an insane proposal from square one.]
I was asked by the member of the Parallel Lines Committee who gave me the draft, not to share it with anyone so that there would not be different versions of the paper floating around.
[PADA: There are already different versions floating around?]
Therefore, I have not and will not share the draft with anyone. However, in order to show the direction the committee has adopted in regards to creating this legislation, I will provide short excerpts from the eighth draft that have been omitted from the final edition. I feel that this is necessary to illustrate to the reader exactly what is in the minds of the leadership of ISKCON.
When the final edition was made public, I noticed that many important points that were previously included in the eighth draft were left out, making the final edition an extremely one-sided and authoritarian piece of legislation. I also noticed that many quotes from Srila Prabhupada that were very relevant to the subject matter had been omitted.
In this report, I will show, in-depth, how the leadership of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness is mirroring the current secular geo-political trend of implementing authoritarian rule over the public and effectively eliminating most, if not all of every citizen’s Krishna-given liberties.
This trend also bears a canny resemblance to the Zonal-Acharya system, which was allowed, by the GBC, to foster for over a decade after the disappearance of our beloved Founder-Acharya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. The difference being the GBC acting as the sole, unified Zonal-Acharya, instead of a group of swamis and gurus, with little connection to one another, competing for supremacy.
[PADA: Yep, what we said all along, its a bunch of tyrant dictators posing as messiahs, thanks Raya Nitai das and One ISKCON for agreeing with PADA. You guys are saying what we said in 1979, welcome aboard! ys pd]
The Ritviks Have Conquered the Internet
Out of hundreds of thousands or even millions of hits, the top ones are all ritvik sites:
http://www.bing.com/search?q=11+appointed+gurus
https://www.google.com/#q=11+appointed+gurus
Pratyatosa das
http://www.bing.com/search?q=11+appointed+gurus
https://www.google.com/#q=11+appointed+gurus
Pratyatosa das
Narayan Maharaja use of "Swami Maharaja"
PADA: I never said Narayan Maharaja was a God brother? I said he associated with the God brothers who criticized Srila Prabhupada and called him "Swami Maharaja." He was with their inner party and he agreed with their bogus nomenclatures. I said he used the same bogus title "Swami Maharaja" that the bogus God brothers used.
There are about two hundred thousand generic "swami maharajas" all over India, its a generic title and should not be applied to a pure devotee of Krishna. There is only one AC Bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupada, and they refused to give him credit for being authorized to use that title. Even if they did not want to use that title themselves, fine, its a free world, -- but they have no authority to try to stop others from using that title. They are not my boss or Srila Prabhupada's either.
NM said so many other bogus things its hard to even count them, but here is another example: he said Srila Prabhupada was wrong to have the Lord Naransingha deity in the Radha Krisna temple because -- "Lord Narasinghadeva frightens away Srimate Radharani."
Really? Srimate Radharani is a direct expansion of Krishna, she is not frightened by anything, much less an incarnation of Krishna, she is Shaksat Hari direct, about ten trillion fold.
The reason we worship Lord Narasinghadeva is to benefit us, to protect us. It has nothing to do with Radha and Krishna rasa? And the good news is, worship of Lord Narasinghadeva protected me from being killed by the gurus NM was supporting. They killed Sulochana and according to the FBI, would have killed me too, the Lord saved me from the hands of NM and the bogus guru cults he was supporting.
NM was apparently not happy Lord Narasinghadeva kept me from getting crushed when he was telling everyone "Tamal Krishna swami is the dear tree of Radha," --- while Tamal was telling everyone to support Kirtanananda, and the cult that was out to kill me. NM was supporting the cult that was trying to kill me, and Lord Narasingha evidently saved me, no wonder NM holds a grudge against Narasingha dev and he wants to kick Him out of the temples. ys pd
Monday, December 9, 2013
Dear James Walker, who is Swamiji?
Dear PADA:
I am not a coward, hiding under the name of anonymous.
My name is James Walker, a prospective disciple of Swamiji. I found Swamiji when I was searching for a genuine Guru on the internet. I had never had contact with ISKCON Gurus before meeting Swamiji, but after meeting such a real Guru as Swamiji, when I learned about the living ISKCON Gurus, it was clear to me that they are all bogus.
In regards to the unnamed person that says Swamiji had a son from a western woman and that he rejected taking a DNA test to prove that he is not the father of that son, that is completely nonsense because in my experience of being with Swamiji for the last 7 years I know Swamiji would never deny such a proposal because he is a very simple and straightforward devotee. The statement that he would rather bloop and not serve Srila Prabhupada rather than give his DNA is outrageous because such a statement would NEVER come from Swamiji's mouth, as he has always been totally dedicated to his Guru.
[PADA: Sorry, you lost me here, I am not sure who is the swamiji you are discussing? ys pd]
My name is James Walker, a prospective disciple of Swamiji. I found Swamiji when I was searching for a genuine Guru on the internet. I had never had contact with ISKCON Gurus before meeting Swamiji, but after meeting such a real Guru as Swamiji, when I learned about the living ISKCON Gurus, it was clear to me that they are all bogus.
In regards to the unnamed person that says Swamiji had a son from a western woman and that he rejected taking a DNA test to prove that he is not the father of that son, that is completely nonsense because in my experience of being with Swamiji for the last 7 years I know Swamiji would never deny such a proposal because he is a very simple and straightforward devotee. The statement that he would rather bloop and not serve Srila Prabhupada rather than give his DNA is outrageous because such a statement would NEVER come from Swamiji's mouth, as he has always been totally dedicated to his Guru.
[PADA: Sorry, you lost me here, I am not sure who is the swamiji you are discussing? ys pd]
Role of Ritvik Devotees / Nelson Mandela / ISKCON Times
ISKCON Times
Hare Krishna,
Role of Devotees under Ritvik System
Please note that the function of the Ritvik Representative is one of check and balance - to approve or not approve President’s recommendation – and thus Ritviks are given very limited role whereas Temple President has more responsibility to make decision/judgment to recommend devotees for first and second initiation.Also note that Only TPs and Ritviks are given role in the process of initiations and GBCs, Sannyasis, and other Senior Devotees (who are not TPs or Ritviks) are not given any role.
The Untold Story of Nelson Mandela & the Bhagavad Gita
I thought you might like to know a little bit of the untold side of Nelson Mandela. He came several times to ISKCON's Ratha Yatra in South Africa while he was president of the nation. The first time Bhakti Tirtha Swami met him, in the course of their conversation, Maharaja quoted a Gita verse. Half-way thru the verse, Mandela quoted the rest of it. Bhakti Tirtha Swami was surprised. He asked "You know the Gita?" Mandela said "Try me." Every Gita verse Bhakti Tirtha Maharaja knew, Nelson knew as well.
Controversial "Made snana" begins amid protests
Devotees perform "Made Snana" in their belief that doing so would cure them of various ailments, especially those related to skin and help overcome miseries.
Why Lord Perumal sleeps on His left hand side
Bhujanga-sayana Perumal, who was very fond of Thirumazhisai-alwar, said, “I do not dwell in the places where my devotees are not respected,” and decided to follow Thirumazhisai-alwar, shedding His deity form. It is said that the Lord accompanied Thirumazhisai-alwar and Kanni-kannan along with His serpent, Anantha.
Jai Srila Prabhupada!
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ISKCON TimesSunday, December 8, 2013
Symptoms of Empires In Decline
[PADA: Article notes symptoms of : Empires In Decline i.e. Kali Yuga increasing. ]
https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/90/hedges-american-psychosis.html
https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/90/hedges-american-psychosis.html
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