Tuesday, June 11, 2013
Monday, June 10, 2013
Yes! (apa) ISKCON's Bhakti Caru Swami is finally getting it! (sort of at least)
PADA: SG is promoting our idea, that we are taking shelter of Srila Prabhupada through his vani, in his books. That’s essentially what we have been preaching since 1978. So that means our idea is being incorporated in many places, including ISKCON, albeit gradually.
I have also noted recently that Bhakti Caru swami is preaching a very similar idea to ours, that we all need to focus on Srila Prabhupada through his vani — books. That is a huge change from what BCS was preaching in the 1990s, when he was saying our “vani seva of the pure devotee” idea is “the Christian idea” because we have no “living body” to worship in our process.
He was saying then that we need to all worship a living body, which is chock full of stools and so on. He was saying that worship of a live body is the only way to reach Krishna, except, — Krishna never said he wanted people to worship material bodies, full of stools and etc. to attain Him? Where does He say that?
“If you want to attain Me, worship a bucket of manure”?
And so we defeated BCS by our saying, his idea is foolish and wrong, and he is finally realizing that himself, although it took us 30 years to pound that idea into his head.
Amazing, we had to preach to BCS for 30 years — before he finally started to get it, worship of a bucket of manure, is not the Gaudiya Vaishnava process? He is slower than a pack of turtles, 30 years before he understood that God is not attained by worship of a bucket of manure?
So he has changed to more or less our idea. He was saying that worship of someone like Jesus is bogus because we need to worship his program, worship of a bag of blood, pus, stools and mucous, instead of pure devotees. BCS has been totally in the bodily concept of life. BCS has been in MUCH WORSE illusion than the ordinary materialists, since even the materialists do not worship a bag of “live” stools, they worship Jesus. They are way more advanced than BCS, they never worship a bag of manure, ever.
Nope, they have been much more advanced than BCS, they worship Jesus. In fact, no religion one earth agrees with BCS 1990s idea — that we need to worship a living bucket of manure to attain Godhead? This is total foolishness, and he even agrees now, so he is preaching our idea to a large extent. Very good, that means our preaching works, its finally sinking in — even into BCS, albeit it took us 30 years of pounding the idea into his very dull brain before he could figure this out. Yes, BCS living bucket of manure pooja idea is fading out, and our idea is being accepted and incorporated, very nice! ys pd
I have also noted recently that Bhakti Caru swami is preaching a very similar idea to ours, that we all need to focus on Srila Prabhupada through his vani — books. That is a huge change from what BCS was preaching in the 1990s, when he was saying our “vani seva of the pure devotee” idea is “the Christian idea” because we have no “living body” to worship in our process.
He was saying then that we need to all worship a living body, which is chock full of stools and so on. He was saying that worship of a live body is the only way to reach Krishna, except, — Krishna never said he wanted people to worship material bodies, full of stools and etc. to attain Him? Where does He say that?
“If you want to attain Me, worship a bucket of manure”?
And so we defeated BCS by our saying, his idea is foolish and wrong, and he is finally realizing that himself, although it took us 30 years to pound that idea into his head.
Amazing, we had to preach to BCS for 30 years — before he finally started to get it, worship of a bucket of manure, is not the Gaudiya Vaishnava process? He is slower than a pack of turtles, 30 years before he understood that God is not attained by worship of a bucket of manure?
So he has changed to more or less our idea. He was saying that worship of someone like Jesus is bogus because we need to worship his program, worship of a bag of blood, pus, stools and mucous, instead of pure devotees. BCS has been totally in the bodily concept of life. BCS has been in MUCH WORSE illusion than the ordinary materialists, since even the materialists do not worship a bag of “live” stools, they worship Jesus. They are way more advanced than BCS, they never worship a bag of manure, ever.
Nope, they have been much more advanced than BCS, they worship Jesus. In fact, no religion one earth agrees with BCS 1990s idea — that we need to worship a living bucket of manure to attain Godhead? This is total foolishness, and he even agrees now, so he is preaching our idea to a large extent. Very good, that means our preaching works, its finally sinking in — even into BCS, albeit it took us 30 years of pounding the idea into his very dull brain before he could figure this out. Yes, BCS living bucket of manure pooja idea is fading out, and our idea is being accepted and incorporated, very nice! ys pd
Sunday, June 9, 2013
ISKCON Sridhara Swami's "Homage to Srila Prabhupada" (with PADA comments)
[.. In Sridhar Swami`s life, Srila Prabhupada`s sparked a thirty-five-year spiritual journey that began far from its ending point in holy India. Sridhar Swami described himself as a shy person before coming to Krsna consciousness. Born John Colcleugh in 1948 in Vancouver, Canada, his quest for spiritual understanding led him, in 1969, from engineering school to a Sunday feast at the Frederick Street San Francisco Krsna temple. The first person he met at the door was a kind and energetic devotee named Jayananda Dasa. Since it was early in the day, Jayananda invited his young guest to vacuum the rug and help in the kitchen. By the end of the evening, John was ready for more.
He moved in to the San Francisco ashram to begin his study of Srila Prabhupada`s Bhagavad-gita As It Is. Later, he transferred to the fledgling Krsna center in his native Vancouver. In 1970 he returned to San Francisco for the Rathayatra festival and met Srila Prabhupada for the first time. John was deeply impressed and, having completed the required training, was initiated by Srila Prabhupada as Sridhar Das Brahmacari. His Holiness Sridhar Swami left this world on March 14, 2004, it was on his terms--in holy Mayapur, surrounded by loving Vaisnavas, and just after he`d helped install Sri Panca-tattva with his dearest Godbrothers and friends.]
Homage To Srila Prabhupada By His Holiness Sridhara Swami
Published June 8, 2013
HHSS: Who wants to manage?
[PADA: All of us were the mangers, and we were managing ISKCON nicely. And then you folks kicked us all out. I was a co-temple president, helped with all sorts of book keeping issues, and so many other important things. And then you folks said, "Get out, we do not need anyone to manage the society anymore, we are going to replace all of you with our own crew, of ignorant people who cannot even read (at least Jayapataka said many of his followers cannot even read), and / or deviants, crooks, criminals and child molesters."
And I was given 24 hours to get off the property.
Of course while kicking us out, you then welcomed in all sorts of crooks, criminals and child molesters. For example, the Berkeley police made 74 felony arrests right outside the Berkely temple in one year, and the officer got an award from the city for a record number of felony arrests. Yep, you folks made ISKCON into a haven for crooks and molesters, and everyone knew that, including the public, because your criminal problems were exposed in the media. You made us walk the plank and leave, so you could bring in your criminals and molesters program -- apparently -- what you always wanted.
And then after getting rid of us, you folks went on giant purge rampage, and similarly kicked out hundreds of all the best of Srila Prabhupada's and ISKCON's senior managers, as well as almost all of the best of ISKCON's cooks, poojaris, samkirtana devotees like Gopa Vrndapal and Mulaprakrti, scholars like Pradyumna, artists like Jadurani and so on.
You kicked out all of these important people who were the leaders and managers of ISKCON, and now you wonder, why are the managers all gone? Your party had the first English devotee Kulashekhara almost beaten to death, and he suffered in pain for the rest of his life. Then you glorified the people who orchestrated these types of beatings (ok Bhakti Tirtha swami) as a nice person. Don't you know that your program of having devotees beaten takes you straight to the stone rollers in Yamaraja's empire, where you will be squashed like bugs repeatedly?
Now you wonder where they all are? Well look in a mirror, they are gone because you folks purged us all out, and beat us, and killed us.
And one of the poojaris your party purged out told me, she lost her will to live after you folks kicked her out of her service to Krishna, and then she died of cancer. OK, you people killed her either directly or indirectly. And she is one of thousands of such victims. Sorry, her blood is on your people's hands. Don't you know that Yamaraja's folks have counted every drop of her blood and you will have to spend many years in hell for each drop?
Lets face it. You folks did not want managers, you did not want nice samkirtana devotees, you did not want nice poojaris, you wanted criminal chaos, and so -- that is exactly what you got. You converted ISKCON into your party's private criminal enterprise, as has been noted all over the media since 1978. And that is why today, almost nobody wants to "manage" what little is left -- when their job will be, that they have to defend the bogus GBC's idea that Gods' messiahs are often caught engaged in illicit sex, drugs, crimes and so on.
Who wants to be left holding your stinky stools bag?
You have made the society into a haven for deviants, perverts, crimes and molesting, then you wonder why top notch managerial devotees are not attracted? Because you folks made the movement sink into a criminal enterprise hell. And you folks removed almost all the saintly people in order to do that, and that is why hardly any saintly people are now coming, instead you are attracting criminals and molesters, and not first class managers. If you want to know how all that has happened, go look in a mirror.]
HHSS: Set it all aside; My life’s now half over. Got to renovate my pride. Establish my identity, Let all devotees know I’m marching to Pretoria -- Just call me Major Domo. But just before I embark, On such a glorious campaign, Reflect, O conditioned soul; For whom is the refrain? Who gave you life?
He moved in to the San Francisco ashram to begin his study of Srila Prabhupada`s Bhagavad-gita As It Is. Later, he transferred to the fledgling Krsna center in his native Vancouver. In 1970 he returned to San Francisco for the Rathayatra festival and met Srila Prabhupada for the first time. John was deeply impressed and, having completed the required training, was initiated by Srila Prabhupada as Sridhar Das Brahmacari. His Holiness Sridhar Swami left this world on March 14, 2004, it was on his terms--in holy Mayapur, surrounded by loving Vaisnavas, and just after he`d helped install Sri Panca-tattva with his dearest Godbrothers and friends.]
Homage To Srila Prabhupada By His Holiness Sridhara Swami
Published June 8, 2013
Anxiety again, No place to hide. Can this be spiritual life? Is ISKCON bona fide?
[PADA: Why would a leader of ISKCON even have to ask this question, is ISKCON bona fide? HHSS also says later in this article that ISKCON is in the healing process, ... healing from what? "Healing from" -- his attack on ISKCON, by his making bogus gurus in ISKCON? He agrees with us, ISKCON has almost died, so it has to be healed, but healed from what? From the policies of HH Sridhara swami? Well ok, so why has HH Sridhara Swami tried to make ISKCON die in the first place, so now that it now needs to be healed?
Anyway, the corporate ISKCON of today is not bona fide, and that is why (as Lokanatha swami said in 1988) -- the devotees have almost all left ISKCON, and as such -- its only a skeleton crew remaining. Lokanatha swami further asks, where have all the devotees gone? And he adds "in some temples there are more deities than devotees." So HHSS people have been well aware ALL ALONG since 1978, of their policy of "purge of devotees," the program they have con-jointly orchestrated -- all along. You folks drove out all the devotees, made the movement sick, and now you are going to heal it, by suing us, and driving another 3,500 people out of ISKCON? The plan to fix the situation, is to make even more illness, sickness and death for ISKCON, by driving out another wave of devotees?
If Sridhara Swami's "ISKCON" program is bona fide, why is his program getting rid of almost everyone and making ISKCON into a skeleton? When we say "someone looks like a skeleton" -- that means, he is ill, sickly, near death. So, Sridhara Swami's own leaders are admitting: their program -- collectively -- has made ISKCON into a sick and dying skeleton. Of course this is also mentioned in the Chaitanya Charitamrta, the sick and dying branches of Lord Chaitanya's tree.
Why have people like Sridhara Swami wanted to make ISKCON a dying skeleton for the past 35 years? And now Sridhara Swami's program is infuriated that there are 3,500 people left somewhere in ISKCON, so his group is madly trying to jettison that group with lawsuits, so he will have, even more of a skeleton? As soon as the HHSS party finds out there is life somewhere in ISKCON, anywhere, then -- remove it, sue it, and kill it. Any living symptom must be stopped. That is the policy for 35 years now, and its still going on full tilt. HHSS is one of the brains behind the plan to make ISKCON a skeleton.]
Anyway, the corporate ISKCON of today is not bona fide, and that is why (as Lokanatha swami said in 1988) -- the devotees have almost all left ISKCON, and as such -- its only a skeleton crew remaining. Lokanatha swami further asks, where have all the devotees gone? And he adds "in some temples there are more deities than devotees." So HHSS people have been well aware ALL ALONG since 1978, of their policy of "purge of devotees," the program they have con-jointly orchestrated -- all along. You folks drove out all the devotees, made the movement sick, and now you are going to heal it, by suing us, and driving another 3,500 people out of ISKCON? The plan to fix the situation, is to make even more illness, sickness and death for ISKCON, by driving out another wave of devotees?
If Sridhara Swami's "ISKCON" program is bona fide, why is his program getting rid of almost everyone and making ISKCON into a skeleton? When we say "someone looks like a skeleton" -- that means, he is ill, sickly, near death. So, Sridhara Swami's own leaders are admitting: their program -- collectively -- has made ISKCON into a sick and dying skeleton. Of course this is also mentioned in the Chaitanya Charitamrta, the sick and dying branches of Lord Chaitanya's tree.
Why have people like Sridhara Swami wanted to make ISKCON a dying skeleton for the past 35 years? And now Sridhara Swami's program is infuriated that there are 3,500 people left somewhere in ISKCON, so his group is madly trying to jettison that group with lawsuits, so he will have, even more of a skeleton? As soon as the HHSS party finds out there is life somewhere in ISKCON, anywhere, then -- remove it, sue it, and kill it. Any living symptom must be stopped. That is the policy for 35 years now, and its still going on full tilt. HHSS is one of the brains behind the plan to make ISKCON a skeleton.]
Sridhara Swami program's -- lets make ISKCON's temples into skeletons?
HHSS: Who wants to manage?
[PADA: All of us were the mangers, and we were managing ISKCON nicely. And then you folks kicked us all out. I was a co-temple president, helped with all sorts of book keeping issues, and so many other important things. And then you folks said, "Get out, we do not need anyone to manage the society anymore, we are going to replace all of you with our own crew, of ignorant people who cannot even read (at least Jayapataka said many of his followers cannot even read), and / or deviants, crooks, criminals and child molesters."
And I was given 24 hours to get off the property.
Of course while kicking us out, you then welcomed in all sorts of crooks, criminals and child molesters. For example, the Berkeley police made 74 felony arrests right outside the Berkely temple in one year, and the officer got an award from the city for a record number of felony arrests. Yep, you folks made ISKCON into a haven for crooks and molesters, and everyone knew that, including the public, because your criminal problems were exposed in the media. You made us walk the plank and leave, so you could bring in your criminals and molesters program -- apparently -- what you always wanted.
And then after getting rid of us, you folks went on giant purge rampage, and similarly kicked out hundreds of all the best of Srila Prabhupada's and ISKCON's senior managers, as well as almost all of the best of ISKCON's cooks, poojaris, samkirtana devotees like Gopa Vrndapal and Mulaprakrti, scholars like Pradyumna, artists like Jadurani and so on.
You kicked out all of these important people who were the leaders and managers of ISKCON, and now you wonder, why are the managers all gone? Your party had the first English devotee Kulashekhara almost beaten to death, and he suffered in pain for the rest of his life. Then you glorified the people who orchestrated these types of beatings (ok Bhakti Tirtha swami) as a nice person. Don't you know that your program of having devotees beaten takes you straight to the stone rollers in Yamaraja's empire, where you will be squashed like bugs repeatedly?
Now you wonder where they all are? Well look in a mirror, they are gone because you folks purged us all out, and beat us, and killed us.
And one of the poojaris your party purged out told me, she lost her will to live after you folks kicked her out of her service to Krishna, and then she died of cancer. OK, you people killed her either directly or indirectly. And she is one of thousands of such victims. Sorry, her blood is on your people's hands. Don't you know that Yamaraja's folks have counted every drop of her blood and you will have to spend many years in hell for each drop?
For simply making this one woman poojari die, they will all meet this type of fate -- and much more!
Lets face it. You folks did not want managers, you did not want nice samkirtana devotees, you did not want nice poojaris, you wanted criminal chaos, and so -- that is exactly what you got. You converted ISKCON into your party's private criminal enterprise, as has been noted all over the media since 1978. And that is why today, almost nobody wants to "manage" what little is left -- when their job will be, that they have to defend the bogus GBC's idea that Gods' messiahs are often caught engaged in illicit sex, drugs, crimes and so on.
Who wants to be left holding your stinky stools bag?
You have made the society into a haven for deviants, perverts, crimes and molesting, then you wonder why top notch managerial devotees are not attracted? Because you folks made the movement sink into a criminal enterprise hell. And you folks removed almost all the saintly people in order to do that, and that is why hardly any saintly people are now coming, instead you are attracting criminals and molesters, and not first class managers. If you want to know how all that has happened, go look in a mirror.]
HHSS: Set it all aside; My life’s now half over. Got to renovate my pride. Establish my identity, Let all devotees know I’m marching to Pretoria -- Just call me Major Domo. But just before I embark, On such a glorious campaign, Reflect, O conditioned soul; For whom is the refrain? Who gave you life?
[PADA: Your gave your life to be dedicated to making ISKCON into a walking dead skeleton, a haven for criminals and child molesters, and horrific media publicity. So yes, you had better reflect on that. You will certainly be asked about your odious empire by the agents of Yamaraja, they will want to know (just as we do): "Who authorized you folks to have the Lord's devotees systematically banned, beaten, molested and assassinated"?
Who gave you people a license to stomp on the Lord's vaishnavas like your party has been doing for 35 years? Sorry, you have no authority to do these things to the Vaishnavas, and that means -- you will have to account for all this yourself, you have no authority to do these things to the Lord's devotees. Its all going to be your karma, at this point -- ten thousand percent, with interest multiplied by the second.
Who gave you people a license to stomp on the Lord's vaishnavas like your party has been doing for 35 years? Sorry, you have no authority to do these things to the Vaishnavas, and that means -- you will have to account for all this yourself, you have no authority to do these things to the Lord's devotees. Its all going to be your karma, at this point -- ten thousand percent, with interest multiplied by the second.
Hounds of Yamaraja are waiting for HHSS folks!
Your folks hands have the blood of thousand of vaisnvavas on them, innocent devotees who were put on your death march, driven out of their father's home of ISKCON under your giant (and no small amount of violent) jack boots. And you will have to account for each and every soul you have jettisoned from the mission of the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada. As Jesus says, "Forgive them Lord, they know not what they are doing."
And you will also have to account for why you gave Krishna a bad name to millions of people, thus turning them away from Krishna. Your crusade has been, to make everyone cringe at the name of Krishna. So your karma will be, you are responsible for ruining the spiritual lives of millions of people. We certainly do not envy you, you will have to pay all this with compounding interest by the second. Every second your karma increases another couple of percentage points. Which is why -- Srila Prabhupada said Professor Sannyal was lucky to have died, so he could not commit further offenses. You people are not lucky, you were allowed to continue with your offenses, which simply means, you will go deeper into the most obnoxious regions and stay there longer.
And you will also have to account for why you gave Krishna a bad name to millions of people, thus turning them away from Krishna. Your crusade has been, to make everyone cringe at the name of Krishna. So your karma will be, you are responsible for ruining the spiritual lives of millions of people. We certainly do not envy you, you will have to pay all this with compounding interest by the second. Every second your karma increases another couple of percentage points. Which is why -- Srila Prabhupada said Professor Sannyal was lucky to have died, so he could not commit further offenses. You people are not lucky, you were allowed to continue with your offenses, which simply means, you will go deeper into the most obnoxious regions and stay there longer.
Yes, you have no idea how people like you, who orchestrated mistreating the Lord's Vaishnavas, will be taken to the lowest regions of the universe, where the authorities will throw away the key to keep you folks away, so you will not be committing further mischief to the devotees of God. BR Sridhara Maharaja said you leaders are "driving an army tank over your own troops and killing them." So, all this will have to be accounted for. You are killing your own troops, and this was stated in 1982, and you folks just got worse after that.]
Driving an Army Tank over -- your own troops?
HHSS: Who gave you rhyme? Who gave you all the reason, To pass away your time, It is for him that now you live, And for him you’ll die, And in the time that’s in between, To spread his mission you must try.
Whatever is the needful, Just see the time and place, Measure carefully your cadence, Lest your father be disgraced.
[PADA: Good point, yes you have disgraced the Krishna religion and now you folks are burying a dead homosexual pedophile in the holy dham to put salt in the wounds you have made already.]
HHSS: Anxiety is piety, When his pleasure is the goal. Be steady now; it’s not the time, To hoist your flag upon a pole.
[PADA: Yes, you hoisted the flag of worship of homosexuals and pedophiles as God's messiahs and banned, beat and killed anyone who would not bow down to your flag. We got it already!]
HHSS: You always hated duty, But now you’re not your own. You’re a slave upon the master’s ship,
Headed back to home. Srila Prabhupada is all you have, And he is using you, In his master plan to save the world, So surrender all you do. It may involve a little trouble, You may have to get through pain, But when you think of what he’s given, You surely can’t complain. Just follow the example, Of all your learned brothers.
[PADA: You had your brothers and sisters banned, beaten, molested -- and killed. Do not think for one second you are going where we are. No. You are going down, read the shastra, false gurus go to the most obnoxious regions, shastra says they go to a lower place than the materialists, shastra say you folks are the most dangerous elements in human society, so -- please, do not lump us in with your lot, we are not with your group and never will be for all eternity.]
HHSS: Srila Prabhupada will guide you To transcend your meager druthers. Srila Prabhupada, please accept this insignificant beggar as your servant. Although I am practically asara, or useless, due to my deep-rooted lust and envy, somehow I have recognized one thing: Your mission will be successful. Some foolish persons have claimed that there is a difference between you, your mission, and ISKCON as you set it up.
[PADA: Right, worship of illicit sex with men, women and children is "what he set up." How come you guys cannot go through five seconds without blaspheming and attacking the pure devotees of God?]
HHSS: Using this as an excuse, they find fault and then leave to create another institution, supposedly free from faults. For my part I could never be able to tolerate having your prestige diminished by the failure of the society you so painstakingly endeavored to establish.
[PADA: And which you painstakingly dis-mantled by forcing people to worship illicit sex with men, women and children as God's messiahs, which resulted in the whole society being almost destroyed, and those who made that policy, like HHSS, going to the lowest planets in the universe. We also did not leave, we were made to walk the plank and be exiled, we were kicked out the door, by you people.]
HHSS: While foolish persons may juggle words, trying to camouflage their own ambitions as your mission, I am bound to work by all means, however inconsequential, for ISKCON as it was, is, and will be. You would sometimes quote the British: “England with all my faults, I love thee.” There may have been faults in ISKCON, and I am sure there always will be, but I will not abandon ship so easily.
[PADA: That figures, the founder fathers and enforcers of the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophile acharyas program will always "love thee and thy fellow creators of this hellish empire." And they will not abandon the "good ship" of molester messiahs either, they are with that program to the last breath, of course then the dogs of Yama take over. Hee hee!]
Although day by day ISKCON is regaining its health, some are still reluctant to take up responsibility (such as being temple president or whatever). This is another cop-out on Srila Prabhupada. Now is the time, more than ever, for devotees to come forward and help rebuild the house in which we want all men to live.
Srila Prabhupada, I am trying to use my intelligence to serve you in the best capacity I can, but only you know perfectly well my material desires and my weaknesses. Therefore please neglect my whimsical and irresponsible plans, and use me as you desire. Your mission will be successful, and those who surrender to do the needful will surely get your blessings. I pray to be in that number.
Your menial servant,
Sridhar Swami
SRIDHAR SWAMI’S MESSAGE: I have a terminal disease and have nothing to gain from anyone but I want very much for Srila Prabhupada to be respected as the real servant of Siddhanta Saraswati and you can be sure that when the dust of the cloud, now covering some peoples minds, finally settles, only his ISKCON will remain as a ray of hope for any sincere spiritual seekers.
[PADA: Yes, your terminal disease is: you are one of the co-conspirators of the program to violently enforce having the children of ISKCON worship child molesters as their messiahs. The dust cloud over ISKCON you discuss, is you and your party.
I get letters every day from people saying, "When will Krishna get rid of this lot so the movement can go forward, like Krishna had Kamsa taken away to save the people"? And as each of you dies, all of my friends and associates cheer with glee, just like people cheered when Kamsa was gone. You have ruined this movement for your own personal gains, poojas, or whatever benefits, but now its going to be payback time.
You will go just where the Sri Isopanisad says you will, to the most obnoxious regions of the universe. And they will throw away the key when you get there, because when you are up here, you cause troubles for the devotees of God. You need to be locked up for a long time, and shastra says, you will be. All glories to Srila Prabhupada, the dust cloud is going away, they are going away, they have terminal illness, they are dying off, and getting out of our way. Krishna is taking the road blocks off the road. Yipee! ys pd
Whatever is the needful, Just see the time and place, Measure carefully your cadence, Lest your father be disgraced.
[PADA: Good point, yes you have disgraced the Krishna religion and now you folks are burying a dead homosexual pedophile in the holy dham to put salt in the wounds you have made already.]
HHSS: Anxiety is piety, When his pleasure is the goal. Be steady now; it’s not the time, To hoist your flag upon a pole.
[PADA: Yes, you hoisted the flag of worship of homosexuals and pedophiles as God's messiahs and banned, beat and killed anyone who would not bow down to your flag. We got it already!]
HHSS: You always hated duty, But now you’re not your own. You’re a slave upon the master’s ship,
Headed back to home. Srila Prabhupada is all you have, And he is using you, In his master plan to save the world, So surrender all you do. It may involve a little trouble, You may have to get through pain, But when you think of what he’s given, You surely can’t complain. Just follow the example, Of all your learned brothers.
[PADA: You had your brothers and sisters banned, beaten, molested -- and killed. Do not think for one second you are going where we are. No. You are going down, read the shastra, false gurus go to the most obnoxious regions, shastra says they go to a lower place than the materialists, shastra say you folks are the most dangerous elements in human society, so -- please, do not lump us in with your lot, we are not with your group and never will be for all eternity.]
HHSS: Srila Prabhupada will guide you To transcend your meager druthers. Srila Prabhupada, please accept this insignificant beggar as your servant. Although I am practically asara, or useless, due to my deep-rooted lust and envy, somehow I have recognized one thing: Your mission will be successful. Some foolish persons have claimed that there is a difference between you, your mission, and ISKCON as you set it up.
[PADA: Right, worship of illicit sex with men, women and children is "what he set up." How come you guys cannot go through five seconds without blaspheming and attacking the pure devotees of God?]
HHSS: Using this as an excuse, they find fault and then leave to create another institution, supposedly free from faults. For my part I could never be able to tolerate having your prestige diminished by the failure of the society you so painstakingly endeavored to establish.
[PADA: And which you painstakingly dis-mantled by forcing people to worship illicit sex with men, women and children as God's messiahs, which resulted in the whole society being almost destroyed, and those who made that policy, like HHSS, going to the lowest planets in the universe. We also did not leave, we were made to walk the plank and be exiled, we were kicked out the door, by you people.]
HHSS: While foolish persons may juggle words, trying to camouflage their own ambitions as your mission, I am bound to work by all means, however inconsequential, for ISKCON as it was, is, and will be. You would sometimes quote the British: “England with all my faults, I love thee.” There may have been faults in ISKCON, and I am sure there always will be, but I will not abandon ship so easily.
[PADA: That figures, the founder fathers and enforcers of the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophile acharyas program will always "love thee and thy fellow creators of this hellish empire." And they will not abandon the "good ship" of molester messiahs either, they are with that program to the last breath, of course then the dogs of Yama take over. Hee hee!]
Although day by day ISKCON is regaining its health, some are still reluctant to take up responsibility (such as being temple president or whatever). This is another cop-out on Srila Prabhupada. Now is the time, more than ever, for devotees to come forward and help rebuild the house in which we want all men to live.
Srila Prabhupada, I am trying to use my intelligence to serve you in the best capacity I can, but only you know perfectly well my material desires and my weaknesses. Therefore please neglect my whimsical and irresponsible plans, and use me as you desire. Your mission will be successful, and those who surrender to do the needful will surely get your blessings. I pray to be in that number.
Your menial servant,
Sridhar Swami
SRIDHAR SWAMI’S MESSAGE: I have a terminal disease and have nothing to gain from anyone but I want very much for Srila Prabhupada to be respected as the real servant of Siddhanta Saraswati and you can be sure that when the dust of the cloud, now covering some peoples minds, finally settles, only his ISKCON will remain as a ray of hope for any sincere spiritual seekers.
[PADA: Yes, your terminal disease is: you are one of the co-conspirators of the program to violently enforce having the children of ISKCON worship child molesters as their messiahs. The dust cloud over ISKCON you discuss, is you and your party.
I get letters every day from people saying, "When will Krishna get rid of this lot so the movement can go forward, like Krishna had Kamsa taken away to save the people"? And as each of you dies, all of my friends and associates cheer with glee, just like people cheered when Kamsa was gone. You have ruined this movement for your own personal gains, poojas, or whatever benefits, but now its going to be payback time.
You will go just where the Sri Isopanisad says you will, to the most obnoxious regions of the universe. And they will throw away the key when you get there, because when you are up here, you cause troubles for the devotees of God. You need to be locked up for a long time, and shastra says, you will be. All glories to Srila Prabhupada, the dust cloud is going away, they are going away, they have terminal illness, they are dying off, and getting out of our way. Krishna is taking the road blocks off the road. Yipee! ys pd
Be a bogus guru, and have fun while you can, pay back time is coming! Soon!
Vedic Village (Fiji) #23
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VEDIC VILLAGE REVIEW # 23
June 9, 2013. Prabhupadanuga Farm in Fiji
FOUNDATION AND CONSTITUTION
In response to our recent newsletters, we have received some inquiries from devotees who may be interested in participating in the New Jayapur farm project here in Fiji, or they are curious to learn more as to how we will structure things such as property ownership, jobs, local economy, village regulations, management, etc. There were also many questions about Fiji in general.
Establishing a daivi-varnashram Prabhupadanuga Vedic village entails chaulking out one road from many different paths, charting a specific course- it is far more than just having a nice piece of land and some blind faith that all else will fall in place… There really needs to be a definite plan. To go much beyond a single family homestead into the realm of a village project requires, in my opinion, the following:
A. The project’s real estate property should be held by a non-profit, religious/educational type of legal entity where the charter spells out the specific purpose and philosophical basis of the organization and its members. The charter shall be unchangeable, and will remain as a basis to the project forever. The charter should also hold that a project constitution will be the guiding principle to the details of the project.
B. The constitution addresses many issues, to ensure project stability, define purity of spiritual purpose and philosophy, and also enumerate details regarding things such as tolerance of mundane media, required spiritual standards, dress code, internal economics, even pets, etc. The constitution may be modified by a deliberate process. Members are bound to the constitution by contractual agreement, with recourse as guarantee to conformance.
New Jayapura has 857 acres freehold fully titled land by the seashore in Fiji which is held by a non-profit overseas foundation with a charter describing its purpose and philosophy- namely to develop Vedic villages and abide by the instructions of Srila Prabhupada (to be brief). A constitution has been drafted and is being finalized with input from many nice devotees who have contributed from their vision, experience, and realizations. Of course the essence of the constitution is Srila Prabhupada’s teachings. In future newsletters we will try to discuss various themes and points in our emerging constitution, and we hope that others will take time to share their thoughts and feedback.
SUBDIVIDE, LEASE, OR FREE LAND?
Someone wrote (abbreviated): “I am interested in more information about your Vedic Village. Are you selling lots? Would you allocate land at no or little charge to devotees wanting to build a home? In the Vedic culture as I understand it the saintly King would allocate free land…and then apply a 15% tax.”
REPLY: This is a perennial question. New Jayapura will not subdivide its land and sell lots or parcels as in a land development. Many problems arise from this course of action, as seen in other devotee projects. This was done in Surabhi Kunj and Prabhupada Village, both in North Carolina, USA. Many unique homes were built there by enthusiastic devotees; straw bale, dome, log, concrete, and timber-frame are some of the types of homes. But gradually, due to the inevitable departure of some of the residents, karmis bought in and the integrity of the project was spoiled. One can wait a long time to find another devotee to buy your home in such a situation, and often time is too short, requiring open marketing. We ourselves experienced local devotees obstructing efforts to sell our property at fair market value, as they tried to scare away “outsiders” from buying into the diluted devotee subdivision. Once the title is sold, it is out of the project control, and the project fails. In Prabhupada Village, all efforts were made to find devotees to buy those parcels being vacated by departing devotees, and today the problem there is a frightening disparity of philosophical orientations, from rtvik to ISKCONites, from Narayan Maharaj to Tripurari Swami disciples… (what to speak of the apathetic, invisible residents that hardly participate).
Therefore, from experience we see the practical problems that will always follow from subdividing and selling parcels in a project. We are looking to establish more than just a “devotee neighborhood”- which is nice in many ways (as in Alachua), but cannot really be described as what Prabhupada had in mind for daivi-varnashram villages. At the same time though, interested parties are reluctant to relocate somewhere without a solid basis of security, commonly found in outright purchase of title.
Another option, which we have adopted, is the conditional lease, which conveys rights of use to a specific parcel under specific conditions (as per the lease document). The best of both worlds, so to speak, is contained in the lease arrangement- residents obtain legal security and rights to their land and home, but under conditions (such as abiding by certain spiritual principles), and if necessary, the project’s integrity is safeguarded by the ability to revoke an errant member’s lease.
It will be very difficult to find devotees eager to spend their meager funds on building a home on a lease parcel, however, and that is understandable, at least in the early stages of the project. (Later, we may have to turn away many applicants!) But 98% of interested devotees do not have the funds to build a home anyway, whether on titled or leased land, and still have some savings on top of that by which to support themselves during their transition from the modern rat-race economy into a self sufficient village lifestyle.
So our solution is very simple: we are offering to qualified and vetted interested parties a free home (basic, simple) and a land parcel on a trial basis, with option of long-term land lease thereafter. The process for interested parties is to inquire, come visit for at least a few weeks, and then maybe, if the chemistry and all details prove satisfactory on both sides, give life here a trial run. Go from there. It does not require a huge commitment, neither much more than plane tickets. New Jayapur has started construction of its first cottage for this program, a smallish 2 bedroom unit overlooking the garden. Members can of course expand and embellish their free home on their free lease-land, and in the future, those who want to and have the means, may build homes at their own cost on their leases.
Thus there is very little risk to incoming residents. Not much to lose, but possibly to gain a place in a stable, Prabhupada-centered farm village… and in the idyllic South Seas! (Hmmm, interesting…) By the way, there are no other lands nearby the farm for sale, neither are we encouraging such.
So the short answer is: subdivision-no. Free lease land and free home-yes (conditions apply).
VILLAGE ECONOMY
This is a vast subject, but let’s try and cover a few things anyway… Another devotee wrote, wondering how we would be apply to supply jobs and how residents could earn some money for those items not provided by local self-sufficiency. Srila Prabhupada did not want us to run commercial farms solely for profit-making, but he encouraged us to sell or trade excess agricultural produce. The raison d’etre for New Jayapur is simple living, high thinking, not huge agricultural enterprise for becoming wealthy with paper money (for what…?). Prabhupada spoke highly about the Bengali farmers who worked in their fields for 3 months, and had all they needed for the whole year. Presumably the other 9 months are to be fully spent in various spiritual practices, reading, chanting, discussion, teaching, preaching, writing, puja...
Our jobs will be first of all to produce our own food. Annad bhavanti bhuvani- these are the words of the Supreme Lord, which Prabhupada wrote to me about New Talavan farm which he visited in 1975. Then we will trade or sell excess production to obtain other necessities. Of course, even though most everyone should have at least a little garden, not everyone is a farmer by varna. There are mostly sudras in natural human society, and they are engaged/employed by others in a wide variety of work according to their skills and nature. There are administrators, accountants, carpenters, artistic designers, technicians, cowherders, nurses, schoolteachers, traders, shop-owners… and more… that naturally will have jobs simply by offering their services to the village community or as assistants to others that will do so. As the village membership grows, so too will the local village economy, naturally. The free market works wonderfully well. We can well envision our own currency backed by grain, gold, or cows…
At present, we employ about 10 workers from town or nearby villages, and they are paid local rates, which is not much, but life in Fiji can be very affordable except for imported items of course. The Fiji tropics are very conducive to simple living- requiring no heat, AC, insulation, water bill, subways, expressway traffic… It is conceivable that some incoming members could replace these outside workers, although perhaps part-time work would be more commonly suitable. The main thing we have to digest is this- that we devotees from the western countries must learn simple living, to do without daily (even weekly) visits to WalMart, the health food store, the grocery supermarket, the gas station, the bank, the lawyer, and most of all, to do without so many endless little so-called necessities that we can do without just fine. True simple living is freedom… and does not cost very much. Village life requires very little money once land, home, tools, clothes, Prabhupada’s books, and a garden is in place… just some little maintenance income is needed (if we give up all those unnecessary “necessities”, that is). Incoming residents should have some amount of savings for the TRANSITION period (from one way of life to Prabhupada’s simple living way of life).
We, the products of a modern consumerist society, have been trained from birth to consume, spend, earn dollars, ad infinitum. We must readjust to a new way of life, in the farm village, sharing, growing, conserving, simplifying, renouncing so much useless burden in the trappings of modern life- disposables, time-wasters, endless mind-dulling entertainments, and redundancies. Instead, the village gives us the opportunity to peacefully chant Hare Krishna, honor prasadam, grow our own food, milk the cows, churn butter, read Prabhupada’s books, attend the morning program, associate with devotees, attend festivals, and save so much time for spiritual life. We will leave behind the demoniac society and make our own oasis of Vaishnavas in a safe, remote place (like Fiji)- a forerunner of the coming Golden Age of Lord Gauranga.
Yours in Prabhupada’s service,
Nityananda das
New Jayapur, Vanua Levu, Fiji Islands
PS. If you would like to be added to our regular mailings of Vedic Village Review news bulletins, please send us an email at srigovinda@gmail.com, or send us your feedback and news from your side. Hare Krishna! All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!Saturday, June 8, 2013
Message to Svayam Rasesvari Shutler from PADA
Svayam Rasesvari Shutler Puranjan, This is a falsehood. This never happened. I appreciate that you are giving me so much power, but I am just a mere servant of Lord Jagannath at New Jagannath Puri. I have seen you but once and I merely greeted you pleasantly and left because I was busy. You are fabricating things to make your case, but I think you have me confused with someone else. Please don't muddy my name to advance your agenda. Can you tell me when and where this happened? I clearly remember the one and only time I ever saw you, and no one else except my husband was present. You are a fabricator.
You have proven yourself to be a great embellisher of the truth. Now it makes me wonder how many times you have done this to others. I see no more need to discuss this further.
PD: OK notice, as soon as I say there is a problem, like for example mass child molesting, the followers of the GBC gurus say, oh this Puranjan is a liar, a fabricator, an embellisher of truth and so forth. He does not like children to be molested -- so he has an AGENDA. Right, we have an agenda, and its against Svayam's molester messiahs program. In other words, they have defended the mass molester guru program by discounting the critics of that regime, and this has PERPETUATED the child abuse and molesting.
Its amazing to me to see the outside (karmi?) people, the police, the TV people, they immediately are appalled at the whole mess, the way the kulis were treated, the way I was treated and etc., whereas the Svayam sector, they never register any human feeling for anyone else? That is why we have to go outside, these outside people have some human sentiment. I am glad to have that confirmed, I was right to do that the whole time, starting with going to the police in 1986.
Anyway, now you know why all the molesting went on and on and on, I said there is a molesting program, and you Svayam types of folks said -- Puranjan is a liar, so it continued on. People like these GBC's guru groupies are the cause of the mass molesting program all along, you and your ilk defended that regime, and you still defends the orchestrators of that program like Lokananth swami, and you still attack the persons who tried to ring the alarm on the mass molesting program. And you still attack anyone who disagreed with the mass molesting program as -- a liar, your attitude is why all the molesting took place. And that is again, what I discuss in my video. Sorry, its all factual, you people called me a liar and a demon, and that defended the molester infrastructure program.
PD: OK notice, as soon as I say there is a problem, like for example mass child molesting, the followers of the GBC gurus say, oh this Puranjan is a liar, a fabricator, an embellisher of truth and so forth. He does not like children to be molested -- so he has an AGENDA. Right, we have an agenda, and its against Svayam's molester messiahs program. In other words, they have defended the mass molester guru program by discounting the critics of that regime, and this has PERPETUATED the child abuse and molesting.
Its amazing to me to see the outside (karmi?) people, the police, the TV people, they immediately are appalled at the whole mess, the way the kulis were treated, the way I was treated and etc., whereas the Svayam sector, they never register any human feeling for anyone else? That is why we have to go outside, these outside people have some human sentiment. I am glad to have that confirmed, I was right to do that the whole time, starting with going to the police in 1986.
Anyway, now you know why all the molesting went on and on and on, I said there is a molesting program, and you Svayam types of folks said -- Puranjan is a liar, so it continued on. People like these GBC's guru groupies are the cause of the mass molesting program all along, you and your ilk defended that regime, and you still defends the orchestrators of that program like Lokananth swami, and you still attack the persons who tried to ring the alarm on the mass molesting program. And you still attack anyone who disagreed with the mass molesting program as -- a liar, your attitude is why all the molesting took place. And that is again, what I discuss in my video. Sorry, its all factual, you people called me a liar and a demon, and that defended the molester infrastructure program.
Of course Svayam Rasevari Shutler is worshiping a child molester (Lokanatha swami) as her savior and guru, and they call his victim a liar as well, these people are worshiping child molesting and they have the right to call us the bad guys? ys pd
http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/black/lokanath.htm
http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/black/lokanath.htm
Lokanatha swami molested me (Satya dasi)
July 11th, 2010
Hari bol,
July 11th, 2010
Hari bol,
 IskCon Guru Lokanath Swami NASTY, VILE PEDOPHILE touching innocent girl's crotch |
I am the girl that Lokanatha touched inappropriately. It did NOT just happen one time in the living room, on the sofa, but rather throughout the week that he stayed he touched me various times inappropriately. I am surprised now (at age 32) that that NASTY, VILE PEDOPHILE did not try to rape me.
He took my innocent father's words of "she is growing up here in America, why don't you teach her some more Indian culture" and turned into his way of taking advantage of me. He called me various times through out that week (it was Easter vacation so I had off), and it was hot, so I was wearing shorts. I was 11 and 1/2 years of age. I sat down next to him after he insisted many times, and he decided he would teach me how to play the harmonium. He several times, rubbed his hand up and down my leg, inner leg, and out, as I was seated there next to him and the harmonium. I asked him "what are you doing?" to which he replied "nothing, just concentrate on the harmonium." I cannot TELL YOU HOW HORRIFIED AND DIRTY I FELT inside.
Through out the days, he then once woke me up singing "jeeva jago, nidra chadi uttha jeeva" and when I got up ( I was wearing shorts), he patted me on my butt. I ran into my mother's room, and into her walk in closet and hid, and he came in after me. He pulled me out, saying "why are you hiding" and again touched me on my butt, held my hands and put his arms around me.
Again he called me for harmonium lessons, and then when he touched me inappropriateley AGAIN on my leg, I got up and ran into the kitchen and went to my mother who was cooking prasadam for this ASS. I went to my friend Sangeeta's home later that day to play, and I told her he disgusts me, I don't like him, and I don't like the way he touches me. He makes me feel so dirty. She didn't know how to react, at age 8, but she said just tell your mother.
The next day, he called me in the living room, and asked me to bring the Krsna book and read it to him. He had me sit RIGHT NEXT TO HIM, leaving no space between us. He PLACED HIS HANDS ON MY CROTCH, NOT ON MY LAP, and said I am keeping the book from touching you there, so just keep reading. He kept his hand there, and any time my mother would walk by the room,he would QUICKLY REMOVE HIS HAND AND PLACE IT ABOVE MY HEAD (around me). He did this several times throughout the course of an hour, and after that sick feeling inside me became the most prominent thing for me, I told him I was tired, and I left the room.
The day after that, some of his bogus followers were there at our house, and when I came inside from playing with my friend (having a dirty feeling inside me the whole time), the ASS had a nerve to call me several times to sit next to HIM in front of everybody. I told him NO!, and ran away.
Thank GOODNESS the nasty pedophile left the day after, and when my dad suggested I touch his most UNHOLY DISGUSTING FEET I SAID NO! I will not. I told my mother about everything the night before, and she was shocked, disgusted and appaulled at everything.
What could a defenseless 11 year old child do? Just say no, and tell her mother. There was no legal actions that I knew of at the time that I could take. If I had known how to kick that ASS in his groins to teach him a good lesson, I would have. But I didn't know at the time what to do.
Yes, that silly investigation happened by Yashoda and she just followed me around the house, asking me where this and that happened, and how this and that happened. We WERE PROMISED THAT LOKANATHA would be punished. He was NOT.
His stupid misled followers still blindly followed him, and accused me of lying.
I will never forget what I have been through.. Till this day, Ravindra Swarupa, the head of our nearest temple, acts like nothing happened, and was nonchallant about the whole thing. He has always had a cold, DISRESPECTFUL approach towards our family. We trusted him, and he nor the GBC (garbage committee) never followed through. BUT THAT IS OK, THE LAW OF KARMA AND LORD SHRI KRISHNA WILL. That is who THEY will have to answer to ultimately.
PLEASE POST THIS TO YOUR WEBSITE. I have remained quiet long enough. I will not be quiet any longer.
Thank you,
 Bir Krishna Goswami - Protector of child molesters, Protector of VILE PEDOPHILE Sannyasi's false guru stealing Srila Prabhupadas' disciples, preaching bogus philosophy |
Satya
Friday, June 7, 2013
Thursday, June 6, 2013
Bollywood movies are demoniac!
http://krishnatube.com/video/601/Bollywood-Is-Demoniac-1
Is this Nirantara, the supporter of the worship of illicit sex messiahs project? ys pd
Is this Nirantara, the supporter of the worship of illicit sex messiahs project? ys pd
Untimely deaths -- connected?
RE: http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2012/08/mysterious-ex-gurukulis-death-in.html
Dear prabhu, There have been a number of untimely deaths of ex-gurukulis, and even a number of pre-mature deaths of ISKCON adults. Some ex-gurukuli cases are clearly suicides, other cases are much more murky, and thus some suspect foul play.
Dear prabhu, There have been a number of untimely deaths of ex-gurukulis, and even a number of pre-mature deaths of ISKCON adults. Some ex-gurukuli cases are clearly suicides, other cases are much more murky, and thus some suspect foul play.
I was told recently that an adult devotee's death, that appeared to be an accident, was not. He was involved in a love triangle, and it went haywire.
As for the story above, I cannot say what happened for sure, other than that -- some people are not happy with the suicide explanation. And that is why I am asking for any other input someone may have, like for example, was this person exhibiting any signs that he was depressed, or was he asking too many questions etc., and what are the circumstances?
A woman was also found hanging in Vrndavana, and it looked like a suicide, but really some deviated devotees wanted her land, it was a murder. Aindra's death is also suspect in the eyes of many people. I feel that there has been an effort overall to sweep the ex-gurukulis off the map, and take them out of the spotlight. If this devotee knew something, and he was asking about things he "should not have been," and he was a threat to the powers that be, then I believe foul play may have something to do with his death.
Apart from that, I feel many other ex-gurukuli deaths are caused not so much by commission, but omission, which I discuss in the video below. Therefore, even if his death was a pure suicide, or as some say, a death from drugs, that is also in part due to the overall oppression of this group, ... i.e. repression leads to depression, which can lead to suicide. This issue has never been clearly opened up, hence its creating ongoing problems. That is what I am aiming at here: ys pd http://youtu.be/DqYjk3xNWJ4
Children of ISKCON - Jvalamukhi dd - Dallas $400m Gurukula Lawsuit
The problems with the children of ISKCON
Children of ISKCON - Jvalamukhi dd - Dallas $400m Gurukula Lawsuit
The problems with the children of ISKCON
Tuesday, June 4, 2013
Rocana on DOM / ISKCON / Rtiviks (Sampradaya Sun)
ROCANA: May 31, 2013 — CANADA (SUN) — A study of the confluence of three separatist movements: the DOM, ISKCON Inc. and Ritvikism.
2005 Unauthorized Amendments to ISKCON Inc. Articles, Part 2
Today we present Part Two of a summary in which we briefly highlight some of the unauthorized changes that have been made to Srila Prabhupada's 1966 ISKCON Inc. articles of corporation. A pdf copy of the 2005 amended articles [35] can be found here.
2005 Certificate of Amendment of the Certificate of Incorporation for the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, Inc. (July 13, 1966). Section 19 establishes the requirements for being an "initiated disciple". Items (a-b) provide for the 4 regs and 16 rounds. Items (d) and (e) clarify that the "initiated disciple" is either pre-1977 (ACBSP) or initiated via post-samadhi ritvik diksa.
2005 Unauthorized Amendments to ISKCON Inc. Articles, Part 2
Today we present Part Two of a summary in which we briefly highlight some of the unauthorized changes that have been made to Srila Prabhupada's 1966 ISKCON Inc. articles of corporation. A pdf copy of the 2005 amended articles [35] can be found here.
2005 Certificate of Amendment of the Certificate of Incorporation for the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, Inc. (July 13, 1966). Section 19 establishes the requirements for being an "initiated disciple". Items (a-b) provide for the 4 regs and 16 rounds. Items (d) and (e) clarify that the "initiated disciple" is either pre-1977 (ACBSP) or initiated via post-samadhi ritvik diksa.
[PADA: What does Srila Prabhupada's "last will" actually say? His will says -- in the future (when he is no longer here) his properties will be managed by -- my "initiated" disciples. Rocana simply ignores these legal documents. Rocana also ignores the fact that the DOM is another legal document, and it has been accepted as such by the courts, apparently the bogus GBC itself submitted this document into the courts. The DOM certainly does not authorize the current GBC guru system, rather is designates a "Governing Body" or managerial proxies for the acharya.
Anyway, the statement in "the will" says -- "my initiated disciples," and that means this process shall be going on -- henceforward -- indefinitely. Thus, the "last will" allows for his initiated disciples to be produced -- for generations to come -- long after he is gone. That is also sometimes called the ritvik system. Of course this is confirmed on the appointment tape of May 28th, where he also says "initiations" will be going on using ritviks "in the future" after he is no longer physically present. Yep, Rocana handily forgets that as well.
Rocana has never explained how the people who are going to "manage his properties" after Srila Prabhupada is not physically here, would be "his disciples" long after he was gone, without the ritvik idea? Unless of course Rocana thinks us original devotees of Srila Prabhupada are going to live for centuries into the future, which is apparently not happening by the way?
What "other" arrangement was made then? Rocana never tells us? Rocana apparently says that Srila Prabhupada's "last will" is a faulty document, the May 28th tape is faulty, the DOM is faulty, because all this provides for "his disciples" indefinitely. Yet Rocana never cites any other documents to show -- what else was ordered? He attacks what these documents are promoting, while not making any specific plan for -- what else should be done instead?
And why is Rocana always challenging the existing documents, while alleging there are other documents, but he never shows us any of these alleged "other" instructions and documents? OK it seems as though, -- Rocana is bluffing. He has no proof of any other orders or documents, that is why he never presents any, ever. There are no other documents, plain and simple.]
ROCANA: According to this requirement, only Srila Prabhupada's direct disciples (ACBSP's) and Ritvik-initiated disciples will be members in good standing - no diksa grand-disciples will be considered members in good standing of ISKCON Inc.
Anyway, the statement in "the will" says -- "my initiated disciples," and that means this process shall be going on -- henceforward -- indefinitely. Thus, the "last will" allows for his initiated disciples to be produced -- for generations to come -- long after he is gone. That is also sometimes called the ritvik system. Of course this is confirmed on the appointment tape of May 28th, where he also says "initiations" will be going on using ritviks "in the future" after he is no longer physically present. Yep, Rocana handily forgets that as well.
Rocana has never explained how the people who are going to "manage his properties" after Srila Prabhupada is not physically here, would be "his disciples" long after he was gone, without the ritvik idea? Unless of course Rocana thinks us original devotees of Srila Prabhupada are going to live for centuries into the future, which is apparently not happening by the way?
What "other" arrangement was made then? Rocana never tells us? Rocana apparently says that Srila Prabhupada's "last will" is a faulty document, the May 28th tape is faulty, the DOM is faulty, because all this provides for "his disciples" indefinitely. Yet Rocana never cites any other documents to show -- what else was ordered? He attacks what these documents are promoting, while not making any specific plan for -- what else should be done instead?
And why is Rocana always challenging the existing documents, while alleging there are other documents, but he never shows us any of these alleged "other" instructions and documents? OK it seems as though, -- Rocana is bluffing. He has no proof of any other orders or documents, that is why he never presents any, ever. There are no other documents, plain and simple.]
ROCANA: According to this requirement, only Srila Prabhupada's direct disciples (ACBSP's) and Ritvik-initiated disciples will be members in good standing - no diksa grand-disciples will be considered members in good standing of ISKCON Inc.
[PADA: OK, except Rocana consistently forgets to tell us -- grand disciples of -- whom specifically? First of all we must recall, that Rocana backed the bogus GBC gurus program, claiming that the disciples of the molester messiahs project are going to be "the grand disciples" of ISKCON. If Rocana is now promoting someone else as his messiahs instead of the bogus GBC's guru project, Rocana never tells us? Rocana simply says there will be "grand disciples," but Rocana never says --"initiated by whom," other than that he has supported the bogus GBC's and their molester messiahs program? How can anyone be a grand disciple of a molester messiahs program? Rocana has not answered that in 35 years? He is simply baffled, as we just now baffled Bhakta Shishir with the same question.
And then Rocana's article produces a laundry list of some of the deviated people that bogus the ISKCON leaders have placed in charge of Long Island ISKCON such as: Bhavananada swami; Hari Sauri aka Prabhupada Kripa maharaja; Chandrashekhara swami (from New Vrndavana) and many others, who were all part of the molester beej guru sampradaya. Why do we need to surrender to that program?
So Rocana keeps saying there will be "grand disciples" of -- this group's program (which he also condemns at the same time)? If there is a person who making these grand disciples, who is he? Rocana keeps saying, the initiations will go on, and there will be grand disciples, but initiated by -- whom? No one and nobody? Who will be the diksha guru in his system? So Rocana has no actual persons named in his system, and that is called mayavada, person-less.
Rocana is wrangling the first point, what is diksha? Diksha means to get pure divyam jnanam (di) which destroys sins (ksha), but under the bogus GBC and Rocana idea, they think worship of their illicit sex messiahs program is giving people pure divyam jnanam which destroys sins (diksha). That means Rocana has no clue what is diksha. Sorry, worship of illicit sex is not giving pure divyam jnanam. Of course people like Rocana, Bhakti Vikas swami and other GBC guru followers like Bhakti Shishir have never even read the shastra, or they would know all these things by now.]
And then Rocana's article produces a laundry list of some of the deviated people that bogus the ISKCON leaders have placed in charge of Long Island ISKCON such as: Bhavananada swami; Hari Sauri aka Prabhupada Kripa maharaja; Chandrashekhara swami (from New Vrndavana) and many others, who were all part of the molester beej guru sampradaya. Why do we need to surrender to that program?
So Rocana keeps saying there will be "grand disciples" of -- this group's program (which he also condemns at the same time)? If there is a person who making these grand disciples, who is he? Rocana keeps saying, the initiations will go on, and there will be grand disciples, but initiated by -- whom? No one and nobody? Who will be the diksha guru in his system? So Rocana has no actual persons named in his system, and that is called mayavada, person-less.
Rocana is wrangling the first point, what is diksha? Diksha means to get pure divyam jnanam (di) which destroys sins (ksha), but under the bogus GBC and Rocana idea, they think worship of their illicit sex messiahs program is giving people pure divyam jnanam which destroys sins (diksha). That means Rocana has no clue what is diksha. Sorry, worship of illicit sex is not giving pure divyam jnanam. Of course people like Rocana, Bhakti Vikas swami and other GBC guru followers like Bhakti Shishir have never even read the shastra, or they would know all these things by now.]
ROCANA: The sentimental notion some non-Ritvik DOM adherents are carrying, that the ISKCON Inc. movement will 'heal ISKCON', is completely disproved by this clause.
[PADA: We never said we could heal ISKCON? What we say is: -- who can say for sure? Yes we may heal it. And no, we might not -- "heal ISKCON," because its mental speculation to say these bogus people will surrender to the right idea, and to say they never will cure themselves, that is also speculation?
The Gaudiya Matha never accepted the right idea, they never healed. Notice that Srila Prabhupada never said he would heal that institution either? If he was not interested in healing the Gaudiya Matha, how can we propose to do better and heal our broken institution? We never said we could heal anything ourselves in any case?
Most folks we know tell us, ISKCON is already a basket case, and is beyond repair, thanks to people like Rocana promoting his molester messiahs, who made ISKCON go down the tubes. ISKCON's official corporate structure may or may not be salvage-able, and many sectors of it have already been shut down and lost, and these programs and temples may be lost for a long time, or indefinitely in many instances.
Rocana's bogus messiahs program made ISKCON go down the tubes, as we detailed here:
http://youtu.be/DqYjk3xNWJ4
Where did we say we could save this whole mess? We never did? Rocana is making another straw man argument. What we said is: We want people to worship the pure devotee, and our people are mostly doing that outside the official ISKCON anyway. The ISKCON institution and its buildings are mostly empty already, there is almost no one left there to heal anyway. We cannot heal an empty building anyway, that makes no sense? We want to heal individuals from mis-understandings, and we are doing that.
Ninety nine percent of the devotees now live outside the official ISKCON institution and many of them could care less about it, because its not relevant to their lives. They are practicing whatever they are doing in regards to Krishna consciousness, independently. The official ISKCON temple here in Berkeley for example, has about one percent of the area's devotees living there. Almost all the devotees are living OUT side of the temple today.
The temple itself therefore has little or even almost nothing to do with the lives these other 99 percent of devotees. These official ISKCON temples have become almost irrelevant to almost everyone here in the SF Bay area. People are not attending, except maybe a few times a year for festivals. How can we heal that? We never said we could fix this, nor has Rocana any plan of his own to fill these temples either, and heal the problem of no manpower?
Most of the devotees are living aloof from the institution, and they associate with one another maybe on public internet medias and so forth these days, or they do not associate at all in many cases. And Rocana does the same thing really, he is not relevant to his ISKCON local temple where he is. His main foot print is internet medias. The official ISKCON temples are barely even relevant to Rocana, what to speak of all of us. So what is there to heal, if, no one lives there, or participates there? Its not relevant to most people. What is relevant is establishing the proper siddhanta, and we are doing that.]
ROCANA: Item (e) adds a new element: that the GBC will appoint the ritviks, and the Temple Presidents will judge the qualifications of the candidate for initiation according to Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 24.330. Never mind the opening statement of that purport, which say: "A disciple's qualifications must be observed by the spiritual master before he is accepted as a disciple."
[PADA: Good point, we have all observed that Rocana's bogus GBC guru parampara, which contains illicit sex, what to speak of murders of dissenters. So after we have all seen these horrid qualifications of Rocana's guru parampara, it is being rejected wholesale all over the planet.]
ROCANA: Item (c) states that ISKCON Inc. has a fiduciary duty to ensure the BBT Trustees follow the Trust Agreement terms.
[PADA: And the BBT says that Srila Prabhupada is their writer for hire? And they are changing his books. Why is Rocana defending this ship of fools?]
ROCANA: As we point out in DOR [43], Ritviks claim that the Will instructs that the ritvik system ordered on July 9th 1977 must continue and cannot be changed, but the Will they refer to was executed more than a month before the July 9th Letter was signed. Therefore, it refers to the system in place at the time the Will was drawn/executed.
[PADA: Does this make any sense, "the will" was made to apply only to the time it was written, and not after the person who wrote "the will" departs? This is totally insane? All wills relate to AFTER the time the will was written! The July 9th letter simply confirms the will. So yes, "the will" says there will be my initiated disciples, and the July 9th letter says that too. What difference does it make if the will was made before July 9th or not, it refers to the time he is not going to be here physically? Rocana is really getting desperate to say a will only applies to the day it was written and not later on?]
ROCANA: And if that system is ordered to continue without change, then the system instructed on July 9th obviates the system being protected under the Will. Thus Annexure J cannot be used as evidence in support of a July 9, 1977 order for post-samadhi ritvik diksa initiations.
[PADA: A letter than confirms what the will says, and the May tape that confirms ritviks after he departs, cannot be used to confirm the will? This is really going in circles? Rocana also complains our plan does not welcome the people who are initiated by the GBC's gurus already. Another straw man idea. Nope, we are working with hundreds of them, such as the Bangalore temple, mostly former guru disciples. This is the problem, Rocana does not think before he speaks? We are already working with hundreds of ex-disciples of GBC gurus, and he says, we are rejecting them? He has never figured out what is going on here? ys pd]
[PADA: We never said we could heal ISKCON? What we say is: -- who can say for sure? Yes we may heal it. And no, we might not -- "heal ISKCON," because its mental speculation to say these bogus people will surrender to the right idea, and to say they never will cure themselves, that is also speculation?
The Gaudiya Matha never accepted the right idea, they never healed. Notice that Srila Prabhupada never said he would heal that institution either? If he was not interested in healing the Gaudiya Matha, how can we propose to do better and heal our broken institution? We never said we could heal anything ourselves in any case?
Most folks we know tell us, ISKCON is already a basket case, and is beyond repair, thanks to people like Rocana promoting his molester messiahs, who made ISKCON go down the tubes. ISKCON's official corporate structure may or may not be salvage-able, and many sectors of it have already been shut down and lost, and these programs and temples may be lost for a long time, or indefinitely in many instances.
Rocana's bogus messiahs program made ISKCON go down the tubes, as we detailed here:
http://youtu.be/DqYjk3xNWJ4
Where did we say we could save this whole mess? We never did? Rocana is making another straw man argument. What we said is: We want people to worship the pure devotee, and our people are mostly doing that outside the official ISKCON anyway. The ISKCON institution and its buildings are mostly empty already, there is almost no one left there to heal anyway. We cannot heal an empty building anyway, that makes no sense? We want to heal individuals from mis-understandings, and we are doing that.
Ninety nine percent of the devotees now live outside the official ISKCON institution and many of them could care less about it, because its not relevant to their lives. They are practicing whatever they are doing in regards to Krishna consciousness, independently. The official ISKCON temple here in Berkeley for example, has about one percent of the area's devotees living there. Almost all the devotees are living OUT side of the temple today.
The temple itself therefore has little or even almost nothing to do with the lives these other 99 percent of devotees. These official ISKCON temples have become almost irrelevant to almost everyone here in the SF Bay area. People are not attending, except maybe a few times a year for festivals. How can we heal that? We never said we could fix this, nor has Rocana any plan of his own to fill these temples either, and heal the problem of no manpower?
Most of the devotees are living aloof from the institution, and they associate with one another maybe on public internet medias and so forth these days, or they do not associate at all in many cases. And Rocana does the same thing really, he is not relevant to his ISKCON local temple where he is. His main foot print is internet medias. The official ISKCON temples are barely even relevant to Rocana, what to speak of all of us. So what is there to heal, if, no one lives there, or participates there? Its not relevant to most people. What is relevant is establishing the proper siddhanta, and we are doing that.]
ROCANA: Item (e) adds a new element: that the GBC will appoint the ritviks, and the Temple Presidents will judge the qualifications of the candidate for initiation according to Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 24.330. Never mind the opening statement of that purport, which say: "A disciple's qualifications must be observed by the spiritual master before he is accepted as a disciple."
[PADA: Good point, we have all observed that Rocana's bogus GBC guru parampara, which contains illicit sex, what to speak of murders of dissenters. So after we have all seen these horrid qualifications of Rocana's guru parampara, it is being rejected wholesale all over the planet.]
ROCANA: Item (c) states that ISKCON Inc. has a fiduciary duty to ensure the BBT Trustees follow the Trust Agreement terms.
[PADA: And the BBT says that Srila Prabhupada is their writer for hire? And they are changing his books. Why is Rocana defending this ship of fools?]
ROCANA: As we point out in DOR [43], Ritviks claim that the Will instructs that the ritvik system ordered on July 9th 1977 must continue and cannot be changed, but the Will they refer to was executed more than a month before the July 9th Letter was signed. Therefore, it refers to the system in place at the time the Will was drawn/executed.
[PADA: Does this make any sense, "the will" was made to apply only to the time it was written, and not after the person who wrote "the will" departs? This is totally insane? All wills relate to AFTER the time the will was written! The July 9th letter simply confirms the will. So yes, "the will" says there will be my initiated disciples, and the July 9th letter says that too. What difference does it make if the will was made before July 9th or not, it refers to the time he is not going to be here physically? Rocana is really getting desperate to say a will only applies to the day it was written and not later on?]
ROCANA: And if that system is ordered to continue without change, then the system instructed on July 9th obviates the system being protected under the Will. Thus Annexure J cannot be used as evidence in support of a July 9, 1977 order for post-samadhi ritvik diksa initiations.
[PADA: A letter than confirms what the will says, and the May tape that confirms ritviks after he departs, cannot be used to confirm the will? This is really going in circles? Rocana also complains our plan does not welcome the people who are initiated by the GBC's gurus already. Another straw man idea. Nope, we are working with hundreds of them, such as the Bangalore temple, mostly former guru disciples. This is the problem, Rocana does not think before he speaks? We are already working with hundreds of ex-disciples of GBC gurus, and he says, we are rejecting them? He has never figured out what is going on here? ys pd]
Monday, June 3, 2013
Deadly Devotion Show Tuesday Jun 4th on Lion TV
Deadly Devotion is premiering Tuesday night, June 4th at 9/ 8c. The Hare Krishna episode airs on 7/2.
Lion TV is @ 212-206-8633 If you want to find local listings for the show in your area, Lion is part of PBS. ys pdhttps://www.facebook.com/InvestigationDiscovery
Amburish wants GBC lawsuits to stop (update)
Pratyatosa dasa:
See: http://chakra.org/2013articles/060313_a.html
The Temple President of ISKCON's richest temple and ISKCON's richest devotee now speaking with one mind on the "Let's compromise." issue!
I've been thinking for years, "If only Ambarish Prabhu (from Michigan, USA) would do something about the situation." Money talks! This should be interesting! :-)
[PADA: Right, we heard this before, that Amburish was upset with the GBC when they went to the Delhi courts, he wanted this USD $15,000,000 expenditure to stop because the GBC cannot fund the TVOP building if all their money is paying lawyers instead. Maybe money will be the thing the GBC finally has to surrender to. ys pd]
http://www.iskcontruth.com/2013/06/ambarish-das-writes-to-gbc-on-iskcon.html?utm_source=Breaking+News
See: http://chakra.org/2013articles/060313_a.html
The Temple President of ISKCON's richest temple and ISKCON's richest devotee now speaking with one mind on the "Let's compromise." issue!
I've been thinking for years, "If only Ambarish Prabhu (from Michigan, USA) would do something about the situation." Money talks! This should be interesting! :-)
[PADA: Right, we heard this before, that Amburish was upset with the GBC when they went to the Delhi courts, he wanted this USD $15,000,000 expenditure to stop because the GBC cannot fund the TVOP building if all their money is paying lawyers instead. Maybe money will be the thing the GBC finally has to surrender to. ys pd]
http://www.iskcontruth.com/2013/06/ambarish-das-writes-to-gbc-on-iskcon.html?utm_source=Breaking+News
Sunday, June 2, 2013
PADA debates Bhakta Shishir R. Katote (RE: ONEISKCON)
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http://youtu.be/DyQ4aBbN5pk
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http://youtu.be/DyQ4aBbN5pk
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ISKCON promotes Interfaith, simultaneously, says its bogus?
http://www.oneiskcon.com/if-jesus-is-a-vedic-guru-then-zeus-and-hades-are-manjiris/
PADA: Wow, we should not call in the Christian police, FBI and media when the goondas from Bhaka Shishir's program are out to kill us? We should just roll over and die? Just die and be happy! Thanks a lot prabhu, I am so impressed with your concern for us, "You have to die, do not call in the cops, just die"!
Anyway, the people who are currently promoting "interfaith" Jesus worship as an acharya right now, are in fact the folks in the Bhakta Shishir program? His gurus are always doing this interfaith pooja, where Bhakta Shishir's gurus go to worship Jesus. The people who are going to Christian Churches to worship with the Christians, and who in fact go to these Churches all the time to worship Jesus as of TODAY are, the Bhakta Shishir program.
His program is doing that TODAY? We are not promoting this interfaith process, his program is doing that. We are not. So, when is oneiskcon going to declare, their gurus are bogus for promoting interfaith, which Srila Prabhupada says, is hodge podge? And why is Bhakta Shishir promoting this hodge podge program? And why does Bhakti Vikas swami tell us that his own program is bogus, and he still promotes that program?
Is this not why Jesus says, "Oh ye hypocrites, sons of vipers." And why is that instruction now null and void, sorry its eternal spiritual reality. ys pd
PADA: Wow, we should not call in the Christian police, FBI and media when the goondas from Bhaka Shishir's program are out to kill us? We should just roll over and die? Just die and be happy! Thanks a lot prabhu, I am so impressed with your concern for us, "You have to die, do not call in the cops, just die"!
Anyway, the people who are currently promoting "interfaith" Jesus worship as an acharya right now, are in fact the folks in the Bhakta Shishir program? His gurus are always doing this interfaith pooja, where Bhakta Shishir's gurus go to worship Jesus. The people who are going to Christian Churches to worship with the Christians, and who in fact go to these Churches all the time to worship Jesus as of TODAY are, the Bhakta Shishir program.
His program is doing that TODAY? We are not promoting this interfaith process, his program is doing that. We are not. So, when is oneiskcon going to declare, their gurus are bogus for promoting interfaith, which Srila Prabhupada says, is hodge podge? And why is Bhakta Shishir promoting this hodge podge program? And why does Bhakti Vikas swami tell us that his own program is bogus, and he still promotes that program?
Is this not why Jesus says, "Oh ye hypocrites, sons of vipers." And why is that instruction now null and void, sorry its eternal spiritual reality. ys pd
Oh Lord, save us from these hypocrites!
Saturday, June 1, 2013
Another false acharya program? (Radha Raman mandira)
William Acbsp: Padmanabha Goswami or his Son? One of the two, Jashoda knows him, they are friends.
Nimai Nitay: I suspect it is that guy Anupam-Chandan (the son of Padmanabha goswami), who was "initiated" by his own physical father and later on he used by himself the title of "Vaishnavacarya." And Anupam - chandan's file of offences at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Maharaja is very thick!!!
This bewildered guy preaches a mixture of mayavada and sahajiya, and some hodge podge hinduism with materialistic and even sometimes demoniac tendencies. These caste "goswamis" do not know even what the meaning and the real lifestyle of a true Goswami should be, therefore in their pursuit for accumulating more money and influence are always engaged in deriding and offending Lord Krsna's pure devotees, their faithful followers and the organizations established by Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sraswati Goswami Maharaja Prabhupada, namely Iskcon and Gaudiya math!!!!!
*** Devi: Who is the "Vaishnavacharya Chandan Gosvami," featured on the Sri Radha Ramana page? We Gaudiya Vaisnavas worship Lord Radha Ramana and so long we only take darshan of the Deity there is no harm. Just don't go into any philosophy presented by them. We stick anyway to what Srila Prabhupada says.
Nimai Nitay Sri Radha Ramana is the Deity of Srila Gopala Bhatta Goswami and indeed the Gaudiya vaisnavas worship Them both. But we are very much against the aparadhi-caste "goswamis," who even being born in the External Vrindavan are constantly engaged to criticize Srila Prabhupada and other Pure Devotees of Lord Krsna, because the pure devotees have exposed the nasty deeds and business schemes of these "Goswami" personalities from this artificially created caste of so-called "Goswamis" and the smarta "brahmins."
Aparadha means going eliminating Radha, or without Radha, or outside of Radha. So how ironically it sounds, when these so called "vrajavasis" = great offenders of pure vaishnavas say Radhe Radhe!!! Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Prabhupada, whom these exact same caste "goswamis" and smarta "brahmins" ploted to kill four times, he has said that they all live in Naraka kunda and never in Radha kunda!!!!!
William Acbsp: The devotee I'm referring, his father was Padmanabha, a good friend of Srila Prabhupada and as I'm aware, and Srila Prabhupada was pleased of the way the deity is worshiped in the Radharaman temple and recommended we should copy. We are only interested in the authorized way they worship the deities and the rest,we make no compromise. We just keep a good report with them,that's all. Anyway, back to the initial intent of my comment and it was to appreciate the Beauty of the deity. We can pick up Gold from a filthy place.
Rathangapani Dasa: Yes I have always thought Radharamana one of the most attractive murtis I've had the privilege of seeing.
William Acbsp Self manifested? it blows my mind. Krsna definitely shows his Tribhanga feature here.
Rathanga,one day you'll live with him.
Nimai Nitay: Devotees who live in Vrindavan have requested, recommended to Anupam - Chandan's family, to stop this hypocrisy and remove all the pictures of Srila Prabhupada, where they are kept together with Chandan's grandfather and father (keeping them there for influence and business purposes). Yes, they were respective and polite to Srila Prabhupada, but for one reason or another, they have ALLOWED their grandson / son to have very offensive behavior, statements and actions -- having proclaimed himself to be the Acarya and Founder of the Sri Radha-Ramana mandir, although we all know that the Original and Eternal Acarya Founder of the Sri Radha-Ramana mandir is Srila Gopala Bhatta Goswami Himself!!!
Anupam "goswami" is his karmi name and the "initiated" is Chandan "goswami" and now he is on a world tour started from UK to play his bogus role of "initiating spiritual master" and to spill more poison against Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Maharaja Prabhupada and Their movements Iskcon and Gaudiya math.
He preaches also, that the name of God is Krishn and not Krsna, although so many times we explained to him, that in sanskrit the name is written KRSNAH with dots under R,S,N and H, but the H is pronounced deep in the throat or is not pronounced at all, so it becomes KSRNA with a short A (otherwise with long A becomes Krsnaa,which is a female name,the name of Draupadi) and is certainly a Purusha Male name and when considering,understanding the sanskrit names of Gods, Goddesses etc we should NOT think in terms of male female as we have it in the material world.
We also told him, that hindi is very different language from Devanagari Sanskrit and in hindi they may say Shiv, but in Sanskrit the original name is Shivah / Shiva etc etc. Like this all the file of this bollywood style, new "love guru" on the scene of the guru business can be revealed, but actually some other God brothers are engaged to present the full picture regarding the sahajiya offender guy.
When confronted by us the bewildered guy Anupam - Chandan expressed such arrogance and false pride, that even the demons will be / are envious of him (everything is on a record), thinking himself to be a big Vaisnavacarya, a big guru or a kind of God, or at least a gopi.
We have told him already, that Sri RadhaRamanji does not need their gallons of milk and elaborate worship, because billions Goddesses of Fortune and zillions pure devotees worship HIM -- and that Sri Radha Ramanji stays there, because of the Causless Mercy of His pure devotee, namely Srila Gopala Bhatta Goswami and for the benefit of the sincere pilgrims.
This is been done, because the Orders of Srila Jiva Goswami, His representative Srila Bhaktisidhanta Saraswati Goswami Maharaja Prabhupada and our Srila Prabhupada are very clear, that we have to defend, protect and preserve the pure teachings of the Sri Brahma - Madhva - Gaudiya Sampradaya and especially the Teaching of Lord Gauranga AS IT IS. All these bogus gurus, incarnations, yogis and for India the caste "goswamis" and smarta "brahmins" who are described in the Varaha Purana, that in Kali yuga they will be actually demons in disguise of religious clothes, and Srila Prabhupada has confirmed so many times, that due to their false "preaching" India (and the world) is in such poor state of miserable existence full of impersonalism, voidism and atheism.
Otherwise, yes indeed Prabhus -- Sri RadhaRamanji is very attractive and transcendentally sweet. HE appeared to satisfy the desire of His beloved manjari Sri Ananga Manjari -- Srila Gopala Bhatta Goswami, who on his earthly lila as one of the Six Goswamis of Vrindavana, and who was very meek, humble and merciful. I can't remember right now, how exactly Sri RadhaRamanji "escaped" when the Moughol (muslims) invaders entered the External Bahir Vrindavan (under the control of Maha Maya and Internal Antar Vrindavana completely under the control of Yoga Maya Srimati Radharani) and all the Original Deities of the other Goswamis etc were saved in Jaipur, Rajasthan.
Nimai Nitay: I suspect it is that guy Anupam-Chandan (the son of Padmanabha goswami), who was "initiated" by his own physical father and later on he used by himself the title of "Vaishnavacarya." And Anupam - chandan's file of offences at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Maharaja is very thick!!!
This bewildered guy preaches a mixture of mayavada and sahajiya, and some hodge podge hinduism with materialistic and even sometimes demoniac tendencies. These caste "goswamis" do not know even what the meaning and the real lifestyle of a true Goswami should be, therefore in their pursuit for accumulating more money and influence are always engaged in deriding and offending Lord Krsna's pure devotees, their faithful followers and the organizations established by Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sraswati Goswami Maharaja Prabhupada, namely Iskcon and Gaudiya math!!!!!
*** Devi: Who is the "Vaishnavacharya Chandan Gosvami," featured on the Sri Radha Ramana page? We Gaudiya Vaisnavas worship Lord Radha Ramana and so long we only take darshan of the Deity there is no harm. Just don't go into any philosophy presented by them. We stick anyway to what Srila Prabhupada says.
Nimai Nitay Sri Radha Ramana is the Deity of Srila Gopala Bhatta Goswami and indeed the Gaudiya vaisnavas worship Them both. But we are very much against the aparadhi-caste "goswamis," who even being born in the External Vrindavan are constantly engaged to criticize Srila Prabhupada and other Pure Devotees of Lord Krsna, because the pure devotees have exposed the nasty deeds and business schemes of these "Goswami" personalities from this artificially created caste of so-called "Goswamis" and the smarta "brahmins."
Aparadha means going eliminating Radha, or without Radha, or outside of Radha. So how ironically it sounds, when these so called "vrajavasis" = great offenders of pure vaishnavas say Radhe Radhe!!! Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Prabhupada, whom these exact same caste "goswamis" and smarta "brahmins" ploted to kill four times, he has said that they all live in Naraka kunda and never in Radha kunda!!!!!
William Acbsp: The devotee I'm referring, his father was Padmanabha, a good friend of Srila Prabhupada and as I'm aware, and Srila Prabhupada was pleased of the way the deity is worshiped in the Radharaman temple and recommended we should copy. We are only interested in the authorized way they worship the deities and the rest,we make no compromise. We just keep a good report with them,that's all. Anyway, back to the initial intent of my comment and it was to appreciate the Beauty of the deity. We can pick up Gold from a filthy place.
Rathangapani Dasa: Yes I have always thought Radharamana one of the most attractive murtis I've had the privilege of seeing.
William Acbsp Self manifested? it blows my mind. Krsna definitely shows his Tribhanga feature here.
Rathanga,one day you'll live with him.
Nimai Nitay: Devotees who live in Vrindavan have requested, recommended to Anupam - Chandan's family, to stop this hypocrisy and remove all the pictures of Srila Prabhupada, where they are kept together with Chandan's grandfather and father (keeping them there for influence and business purposes). Yes, they were respective and polite to Srila Prabhupada, but for one reason or another, they have ALLOWED their grandson / son to have very offensive behavior, statements and actions -- having proclaimed himself to be the Acarya and Founder of the Sri Radha-Ramana mandir, although we all know that the Original and Eternal Acarya Founder of the Sri Radha-Ramana mandir is Srila Gopala Bhatta Goswami Himself!!!
Anupam "goswami" is his karmi name and the "initiated" is Chandan "goswami" and now he is on a world tour started from UK to play his bogus role of "initiating spiritual master" and to spill more poison against Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Maharaja Prabhupada and Their movements Iskcon and Gaudiya math.
He preaches also, that the name of God is Krishn and not Krsna, although so many times we explained to him, that in sanskrit the name is written KRSNAH with dots under R,S,N and H, but the H is pronounced deep in the throat or is not pronounced at all, so it becomes KSRNA with a short A (otherwise with long A becomes Krsnaa,which is a female name,the name of Draupadi) and is certainly a Purusha Male name and when considering,understanding the sanskrit names of Gods, Goddesses etc we should NOT think in terms of male female as we have it in the material world.
We also told him, that hindi is very different language from Devanagari Sanskrit and in hindi they may say Shiv, but in Sanskrit the original name is Shivah / Shiva etc etc. Like this all the file of this bollywood style, new "love guru" on the scene of the guru business can be revealed, but actually some other God brothers are engaged to present the full picture regarding the sahajiya offender guy.
When confronted by us the bewildered guy Anupam - Chandan expressed such arrogance and false pride, that even the demons will be / are envious of him (everything is on a record), thinking himself to be a big Vaisnavacarya, a big guru or a kind of God, or at least a gopi.
We have told him already, that Sri RadhaRamanji does not need their gallons of milk and elaborate worship, because billions Goddesses of Fortune and zillions pure devotees worship HIM -- and that Sri Radha Ramanji stays there, because of the Causless Mercy of His pure devotee, namely Srila Gopala Bhatta Goswami and for the benefit of the sincere pilgrims.
This is been done, because the Orders of Srila Jiva Goswami, His representative Srila Bhaktisidhanta Saraswati Goswami Maharaja Prabhupada and our Srila Prabhupada are very clear, that we have to defend, protect and preserve the pure teachings of the Sri Brahma - Madhva - Gaudiya Sampradaya and especially the Teaching of Lord Gauranga AS IT IS. All these bogus gurus, incarnations, yogis and for India the caste "goswamis" and smarta "brahmins" who are described in the Varaha Purana, that in Kali yuga they will be actually demons in disguise of religious clothes, and Srila Prabhupada has confirmed so many times, that due to their false "preaching" India (and the world) is in such poor state of miserable existence full of impersonalism, voidism and atheism.
Otherwise, yes indeed Prabhus -- Sri RadhaRamanji is very attractive and transcendentally sweet. HE appeared to satisfy the desire of His beloved manjari Sri Ananga Manjari -- Srila Gopala Bhatta Goswami, who on his earthly lila as one of the Six Goswamis of Vrindavana, and who was very meek, humble and merciful. I can't remember right now, how exactly Sri RadhaRamanji "escaped" when the Moughol (muslims) invaders entered the External Bahir Vrindavan (under the control of Maha Maya and Internal Antar Vrindavana completely under the control of Yoga Maya Srimati Radharani) and all the Original Deities of the other Goswamis etc were saved in Jaipur, Rajasthan.
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