PADA: Dear God, please save this bewildered soul. Pranada Dasi was Satsvarupa's love interest. And I recall some people were blaming her for "bringing Satsvarupa down and ruining ISKCON." Sheesh, there is some real victim support right there!
And after seeing how so many "men gurus" fall down, get sick, and die early -- from taking karma -- now she wants WOMEN to start taking karma, so they too can get sick, fall down and die. What!
And she was gloating that Jayapataka gave her some sort of reward for her books, well OK -- but when the leader of the Aushwitz for kids program gives you a medal of honor, you are in trouble.
Now she is "appealing" to Sivarama swami to make women into diksha gurus, whooaa! If you have to appeal to Sivarama to make the right choice then -- Sivarama is NOT a guru -- if he needs your correcting and chastising! And if you really are -- the next in line parampara guru -- you would just go out and be the guru, you would not need the rubber stamp of these foolish folks. Just go out and do your guru thing! You might do better than the current lot, who knows!
But overall her mood seems to be a little bit somber, sad, morose, spaced out, depressed, and about as lively as a slug walking across my driveway. Yep, hate to say this about anyone, but someone squeezed all the orange juice out of this poor woman -- and all that is left is the discarded peel.
OK we all know who messed up her life, and it was the GBC guru clown show. Another life turned into a mess, thanks to all their psychological manhandling. I feel bad for her, honest! She wants to see women suffer the same way all these GBC men guru clowns got sick, fell down and -- died. That means she has been infested with guru -brain - eating - itus, which can be fatal materially and spiritually.
PRANADA SAYS:
I've just released a video response to Sivarama Swami.
"Unveiled: Behind ISKCON's Debates about Vaishnavi Diksa Gurus" traces the decades - long conversation about Vaishnavis offering diksa — what’s at stake RIGHT NOW as we approach the GBC meetings. The moratorium is over, but Indian leaders are not giving up.
Please watch and share it widely so this truth-filled history and call for unity reaches every devotee still waiting to be seen and heard.
* The surprising behind-the-scenes wrangling of 25 years
* Leaked meeting minutes from ISKCON Indian leaders meeting
* Personal message to Sivarama Swami
* The surprising behind-the-scenes wrangling of 25 years
* Leaked meeting minutes from ISKCON Indian leaders meeting
* Personal message to Sivarama Swami
Unveiled: Behind ISKCON's Debates about Vaishnavi Diksa Gurus
She thinks ISKCON India is going to break away from the USA. It already has. Lokanath was told he was not welcome in the USA, and he is the biggest guru in India. Lets have them implode on themselves.
ys pd
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PADA: This is the trailer for an upcoming series on the "pure activities" of the post-1978 GBC gurus. "Wolves in Saffron." It is really a true and good title. Had the ISKCON society been guided by ritviks or managers, and not "pure devotee gurus" this problem would have been fixed when we first brought it up in 1978. Instead the "pure devotee gurus" got rid of us and kept the mistreatment going on.
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WOLVES IN SAFFRON
But yeah I understand the other side of the coin, this is sad when we have to expose ISKCON's dirty laundry. It makes a bad impression of ISKCON. At the same time, we cannot allow people to think ISKCON's dirty laundry is the real pure program. And we cannot allow people to become victims of their bogus guru cults, especially -- women and children.
ys pd
https://wolvesinsaffron.com/?
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PADA AND PEERS
PADA: I should work with my peers? My peers had me chased out of ISKCON and then they sent their enforcers to take me out of my body, and I was only saved by help from the FEDS.
I also had to sue my peers for mass child mistreatment. They never discuss any of this with me, they use force, restraining, oppressing and so on -- against me only. Your family is wise, do not help people who promote false acharyas, better to stop doing that.
Your shiksha, diksha gurus and peers cannot answer my points, that is not new, they cannot answer me since 1979. Srila Prabhupada says when a guru has an amorous affair with a disciple, it is the same as a father having an amorous affair with his own daughter. It is incest. And many -- or most -- of the GBC gurus have been falling into amorous affairs with their disciples -- which Srila Prabhupada confirms -- is a form of incest.
Meanwhile, Srila Prabhupada also says, the uncivilized tribal people, aborigines or cave men societies worship something wonderful in God's creation -- such as the sun, moon, a huge mountain etc. In other words the tribals, aborigines and cave men never worship an incest guru program, they worship something wonderful in Krishna's creation. Why doesn't the GBC come up to the standards of the tribals and cave men, and worship something nice and not falling down intoxicated womanizers? You, and none of them, are able to answer, that is the real point. ys pd
KS DASI
Update on this post. I spoke with my son about the incident that has scarred him for life although he doesn’t realize it as much as I do. The other boys were not beaten. My son was singled out and beat on his back until he had welts and blood. The gurukuli in the ashram the rascal Mayapur Chandra (who has been profiled on this page for accepting donations for the Radha Kund widows but has disappeared with his wife because the money which apparently was being taken by them to travel and lead a comfortable lifestyle) was the kid who started the trouble because he taken someone’s chewable vitamins, but wouldn’t admit it so my son was singled out by this man.
Update on this post. I spoke with my son about the incident that has scarred him for life although he doesn’t realize it as much as I do. The other boys were not beaten. My son was singled out and beat on his back until he had welts and blood. The gurukuli in the ashram the rascal Mayapur Chandra (who has been profiled on this page for accepting donations for the Radha Kund widows but has disappeared with his wife because the money which apparently was being taken by them to travel and lead a comfortable lifestyle) was the kid who started the trouble because he taken someone’s chewable vitamins, but wouldn’t admit it so my son was singled out by this man.
No doubt Mayapur would not get in trouble because of who his father is and that is the well-known devotee Sruta Kirti das. I am incredulous that so many people on this post will defend the child abuser. My son is the kindest gentlest devotional person anyone could know. He has always been close to me and we have always been open to talking about things. I had never doubted his word. In fact I have spoken with the kind hearted ashram teacher who left Rupa in charge that day and he admitted it happened.
Of course, like all the victims of child abuse my son felt guilty but especially because he was afraid of being offensive to devotees in spite of all that he went through in this life mostly because of abuse within ISKCON. We had not spoken of this until today for many years.
He recalled how he thought about how he wished Rupa Manohar dead for the painful abuse but now at age 50 he’s just too tired of the world and has just let it go. He shrugged his shoulders and had very little reaction when I told him that Rupa had passed from this world.
I found out today a disciple of Srila Prabhupada named Rupa Manohar das passed away yesterday in Maui. He was the first devotee that caused bodily pain to my son (5 years old at the time along with 4 other boys) in the small ashram at New Navadwipa Honolulu 1979. The boys were beaten badly with a bamboo cane as they lay upon their floor beds.
Rupa Manohar was not the ashram teacher. The ashram teacher and his wife were wonderful devotees. They had left Rupa Manohar in charge so they could do some errands. When they found out what had happened they were very upset and angry. He was never allowed to be in charge of the young 5-6 years olds ever again.
The beating was the first my small son had ever experienced. He has never forgotten and neither have I. I’m aware that we have to find it in our hearts to forgive, and my son is a good example. He says he has forgiven everyone that hurt him beat him, abused him throughout his years in gurukula. As a mother, it’s more difficult for me. Understanding that this person knowingly and purposely caused pain and harm to your child is a hard pill to swallow. I pray that you Rupa will have a better birth in the next life and not beat on children.
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COWS NOT PROTECTED
When "cow protection" becomes a justification for cow slaughter.
When "cow protection" becomes a justification for cow slaughter.
The GBC ISKCON has a Sastric Advisory Committee (SAC)—a structure designed to protect the purity of the teachings and prevent distortions of the shastras. This is why it is especially dangerous when a member of such a council publicly promotes ideas that effectively destroy the very dharma of cow protection.
This refers to the position of Hari Prashad das, a member of the SAC, who asserts that only Indian (desi) cows are "real cows," while the rest allegedly do not fall under the shastric category of "go" and, therefore, can be slaughtered.
This is not a petty terminological debate. It is an ideological landmine.
This refers to the position of Hari Prashad das, a member of the SAC, who asserts that only Indian (desi) cows are "real cows," while the rest allegedly do not fall under the shastric category of "go" and, therefore, can be slaughtered.
This is not a petty terminological debate. It is an ideological landmine.
What is the distortion of the sastras?
Their arguments rely on fragmentary citations from Jiva Goswami and logical treatises, where the word gavaya (forest bison) is mentioned solely in the context of a logical analogy, not a biological or ethical definition of a cow.
From the simple statement "gavaya is like a cow," they falsely conclude that there exists a category of "pseudo-cows" that can be excluded from the defense.
The sastras do not define cows by breed, geography, or selection. A cow is a species, not a marketing or national construct. Otherwise, one would have to admit that a German person is "not a person," and an Indian dog is "more of a dog" than all others. Absurd.
The sastras do not define cows by breed, geography, or selection. A cow is a species, not a marketing or national construct. Otherwise, one would have to admit that a German person is "not a person," and an Indian dog is "more of a dog" than all others. Absurd.
Practical Consequences.
This philosophy has already led to tragic results: hundreds of cows have been slaughtered because someone authoritatively declared, "These are not real cows." Moreover, such ideas are publicly voiced even at GBC ISKCON cow protection conferences, where the thesis "Non-Indian cows can be killed" is voiced—and no one objects.
Who benefits? Only the cow killers. This doctrine provides religious justification for the slaughter of 80–90% of cows under the guise of "shastric accuracy." Why the "personal opinion" argument doesn't work.
A member of the Sastra Advisory Board remains an authority outside of
meetings. You can't be a guardian of the Sastras on Monday and publicly distort them on Tuesday.
If a doctor promotes dangerous quackery on his personal blog, the hospital can't say, "That's his personal opinion." Manipulating the Sastras is not a "difference of opinion." It's a sign of incompetence.
Srila Prabhupada's Position.
Srila Prabhupada never taught that only Indian cows were sacred. He wanted to import Western breeds to Vrindavan, calling them cows and demanding protection for all. The idea of "selectively sanctifying cows" is a modern invention that contradicts the spirit and letter of the parampara.
Silence as complicity.
He who knows the truth and remains silent becomes an accomplice to sin.
The silence of leaders in this situation is not neutrality, but complicity in adharma.
The silence of leaders in this situation is not neutrality, but complicity in adharma.
Conclusion.
If we justify killing cows of the "wrong breed," we are no longer defending dharma—we are betraying it, hiding behind Sanskrit. Truth does not need manipulation. And a cow does not need a passport.
SD Dasi: Waiting 25 years ... to be recognized as the GBC's woman guru. Why not make yourself the guru 25 years ago? And have your OWN mission going strong by now? Why the wait? They have no guru potency.
ReplyDeleteThese women ... always waiting for GBC "men" to do everything for them. And the GBC men have a LONG and HORRIBLE record -- more than 25 years -- not caring a whit for us women ... or children.
Why she waits 25 years for them to act? Why aren't these women gurus making their own guru-ship and their own mission. They have no potency to be independent ... which is first qualification of guru ... independence from bogus guru ... rubber stamping ... religion.
Good question! Why does she need "guru stamp of approval" from the SAME people causing so much child abuse. That means children are not important ... but her getting their guru stamp is all that matters.
She is not even mentioning all the abuse. All she wants is the approval of the people making all the abuse. The GBC hopes she has to wait another 25 years, because by then, she will not be here anymore.
My prediction? She is only waiting for departure from her body and not to become guru. She will leave her body long before they listen to her. She is in illusion.
But her guru Satsvarupa says he needs to take pills to continue his service. That means, she wants a guru stamp from -- what you said is -- the intoxicated and womanizer fool's department. There is no value to a guru stamp of approval from these degraded fools. She looks like a lost sheep in the video, because, she is. But she is a victim.
MMD: Really? Pranada has an affair with sum total of the demigods Satsvarupa. And he has to take pills ... to continue his service ... of being loaded on pills.
ReplyDeleteLoaded on pills because?
He is creating suffering for everyone else, like Jim Jones and other bogus gurus are loaded on pills. Then they can avoid thinking about all the trouble they are making for others ... being constantly intoxicated and brain numb.
I am told ... WW II Germans used a lot of same type pills to incite their soldiers ... to do WAR crimes ... they would not normally do. Intoxicated ... so they can be numb to all the pain they are dishing out.
Problem for Pranada? She still thinks her glorious Satsvarupa guru system is authorized ... she needs their bogus blessing. She is still SDG's love lost service maiden. Her first love is actually for Satsvarupa, and that is why she wants to be elected into his guru family.
That is her REAL family. I am told ... even some of her kids suffered from these gurus. But her love for these gurus is higher than that for her own kids. Defends the gurus who make all these children get abused ... not the children who get abused.
She needs to please Sivarama? Tamal's top general in the battle against women and children! Let us women work under the victimizing men, just makes more suffering for the victims.
Another person who has Stockholm syndrome, worships her kidnappers. I also feel bad for her. Clearly a lot of brain damage ... as we can clearly see in her video. Brain dead. This is result of bad association, we become a zombie when we associated with them. Very bad advertising for ISKCON, "I too want to be in the bogus guru camp ... so we can make more trouble for others."