ISKCON Taken To Court VIDEO / Building Collapse Criminal Probe / Vyasa seats 12 23 25

 

PADA: Various observers inside and outside of the ISKCON child abuse issue agree, the abuse has been "industrial scale." Industrial scale abuse of children means basically one thing, or one logical conclusion, this has been a totally demoniac society. Someone told me this has been an anal reconstructive surgery epidemic process. Someone else said this has been Auschwitz for kids.

No normal society tolerates this level of abuse without taking steps to REMOVE THOSE RESPONSIBLE. In ISKCON, the exact opposite happens. the GBC leaders are given big golden seats, new laptops, private residences with servants, unlimited travel and health care expense, and they are worshiped as messiahs. 

No wonder a large number of victims feel alienated, and some took their lives. The victims are getting little to none support, or they are branded as fringie outcastes, or people with bad karma, while the leaders are having their feet washed by servants etc. The levels of hypocrisy here is staggering, the victimizers are worshiped the victims are outcastes. And that explains how this became industrial level, it was enabled by many hand maidens. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

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ISKCON TEMPLE COLLAPSE CRIMINAL PROBE

Veralam South Africa ISKCON Temple Collapse Update

As of late December 2025, formal criminal charges have not yet been finalized, but authorities have declared the site an active crime scene and signaled that criminal proceedings will be pursued against those found responsible.

Who is Under Investigation?

Investigations are focused on the parties responsible for the illegal construction and the structural failures identified in preliminary reports:

The Temple Trustees / Developers:

The eThinkwini Municipality revealed that it had rejected building plan applications from the site’s trustees twice — once in 2022 and again in 2023. Construction reportedly continued in direct defiance of several court orders to cease work.

The Builder and Material Suppliers: Public Works Minister Dean Macpherson stated that authorities are working to track down the specific builder and the supplier of the concrete used, which was described as "friable" and "substandard".

Engineers and Technical Personnel:

Investigators are examining the role of anyone who provided technical oversight for the project, as the construction was deemed "unauthorized and unsupervised".

Current Legal Status

Criminal Case: The South African Police Service (SAPS) has taken over the site to lead a criminal probe into possible negligence and unlawful construction.

Statutory Investigation: The Department of Employment and Labour is conducting a parallel investigation into health and safety violations.

Investigative Team: The same specialized team that investigated the 2024 building collapse in George has been brought in to lead the forensic and structural analysis.

Public Works Minister Macpherson has emphasized that "consequence management" will be implemented, and those who flouted regulations will face the full weight of the law once the final investigative reports are concluded.

PADA: Friable concrete? -- describes something that crumbles easily, breaks apart with little pressure, or turns to powder when rubbed. This was also our initial observation -- the concrete seems to have turned into powder because it was not the proper mix of ingredients. 

Having our own amateur experience with concrete ourselves, it does not work properly if there is not the proper ratio of ingredients, proper amount of water in the mix and etc. OK it was not up to concrete building standard. That is why the rebar was left bare, the concrete just turned into dust, i.e. crumbled apart. 

The chain of authority that authorized all this should lead to the GBC managers. ys pd 

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JRR

Why did Srila Prabhupada have his murtis placed on all vyasasans in every Iskcon temple?

The vyāsāsana is the seat of Vyāsadeva and can only be occupied by one who factually represents Srila Vyāsadeva. Srila Prabhupada had his murtis placed on all vyāsāsanas in every Iskcon temple because none of his disciples were fit to occupy the seat of Vyāsadeva. If they were fit to be seated on the vyāsāsana Srila Prabhupada would not have ordered his murti to be seated on every vyāsāsana. 

There would have been no need for this.

If he were planing on his disciples taking his post, becoming the next acaryas upon his physical departure he would have left these vyāsāsanas empty, being confident that his disciples were competent to occupy the seat of Vyāsadeva upon his physical disappearance.

Because they were not fit to occupy this post, Srila Prabhupada had life size murtis of his Divine Grace made and placed on every single vyasasana throughout all of iskcon. This was Srila Prabhupada's way of making sure no rascal would attempt to artificially seat themselves on the vyasasana.

Srila Prabhupada knows past present and future. He knew he had some envious overly ambitious disciples who were eager to artificially take his seat as soon as they had the opportunity to do so. Srila Prabhupada outwitted them, of course. No fool can place himself higher than Srila Prabhupada, however much they my artificially attempt to do so. It is artificial, and will not stand. Srila Prabhupada's murtis however, will be seated for all eternity on the seat of Vyāsadeva, and worshiped as good as Lord Krishna Himself. These pretenders will not last, they will / are dying off. They will be forgotten.

However, Srila Prabhupada as the proper bonafide acarya and representative of Srila Vyāsadeva and Lord Sri Krishna will remain seated on the vyāsāsana of every Iskcon temple throughout the whole world and will be worshiped by all present and future generations to come. Such is the mercy of His Divine Grace.
Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada KI JAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ys Jaya Radhe Devi Dasi
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"No one should be allowed to sit on the vyāsāsana who is not spotless in character"
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"So one who is representative of Vyāsadeva, he can sit on this throne."
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"So anyone who represents the great ācārya, Vyāsadeva, he is allowed to sit on the vyāsāsana."
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"..the Ācārya is the living representative of Vyāsadeva"
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"A representative is one who can exactly present the viewpoint of Śrī Vyāsadeva."
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Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So these mūrtis can be placed on the vyāsāsana.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
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"The photos of my murti are very nice. The murti of the Spiritual Master should be treated as good as the Deity."
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"A gosvāmī, or the bona fide representative of Śrī Vyāsadeva, must be free from all kinds of vices. The four major vices of Kali-yuga are (1) illicit connection with women, (2) animal slaughter, (3) intoxication, (4) speculative gambling of all sorts. A gosvāmī must be free from all these vices before he can dare sit on the vyāsāsana. No one should be allowed to sit on the vyāsāsana who is not spotless in character and who is not freed from the above-mentioned vices."
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"This throne is called vyāsāsana, sitting place of Vyāsadeva. So one who is representative of Vyāsadeva, he can sit on this throne. So guru, by paramparā system, guru is seated on the vyāsāsana because he is the representative. Just like in the high-court, the bench, it is called bench. Actually, the bench is to be used by the head of the executive power, the king or the president. But the high-court judge is the representative of the head executive; therefore, he sits on that bench."
Bhagavad-gītā 2.16
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London, August 22, 1973
"This āsana where they have seated me, it is called vyāsāsana. The guru is the representative of Vyāsadeva. Everyone of you have heard the name of Vyāsadeva, Veda Vyāsa. So anyone who represents the great ācārya, Vyāsadeva, he is allowed to sit on the vyāsāsana. "
Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā Lecture
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Hyderabad, August 19, 1976
"Śrī Vyāsadeva is the original spiritual preceptor for all men. And all other preceptors are considered to be his representatives. A representative is one who can exactly present the viewpoint of Śrī Vyāsadeva. Śrī Vyāsadeva impregnated the message of Bhāgavatam unto Śrīla Śukadeva Gosvāmī, and Śrī Sūta Gosvāmī heard it from him (Śrī Śukadeva Gosvāmī). All bona fide representatives of Śrī Vyāsadeva in the chain of disciplic succession are to be understood to be gosvāmīs. "
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"...the Ācārya is the living representative of Vyāsadeva, the divine compiler of the Vedas, the Purāṇas, the Bhagavad-gītā, the Mahābhārata, and the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam."
/ssr/2/the_absolute_necessity_of_a_spiritual_master
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "One point," he says... "One point I would like to clear up in connection with our distribution of mūrtis. I have had many requests and inquiries about placing the form of Your Divine Grace on the vyāsāsana along with or instead of on the altar for worship. Is this permissible? In some temples the altar is too small and will not accommodate the present size of the..."
Prabhupāda: No. Vyāsāsana is good.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So either one is all right.
Prabhupāda: No. If there is picture in the middle and vyāsāsana.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So these mūrtis can be placed on the vyāsāsana.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Room Conversation-Recent Mail
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July 14, 1977, Vṛndāvana
"The photos of my murti are very nice. The murti of the Spiritual Master should be treated as good as the Deity."
Letter to: Karandhara
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Mayapur
29 January, 1976

Bombay vs Bangalore ISKCON PADA Video / Shani Deva Prayer 12 22 25

PRAYERS TO NARASIMHA BY SHANI DEVA

Shree Shanaishcarakrita Shree Narasimha Stuti

Many are afraid of the most malefic planet Shani because generally he is associated with extreme sorrow and suffering. However, Shanideva himself has devised a way of solving this problem by obtaining the blessings of Lord Narasimha. Shanideva made anagreement with the Lord that he would never trouble those who recite his Narasimha Stuti when they are facing troubles related to dvaadashaashtamapancama (a situation where Shanikaata lasts for 7 1/2 births).

If one recites (or hears the video) with devotion Shani’s Shree Narasimha Stuti, especially on Shanivaara (Saturdays) and when Shani graha comes into one's life, one will please the Lord who is the Supersoul of Shanaishchara and the Lord will remove all obstacles and suffering and bless His devotee.

sulabho bhakti yuktaanaam durdarsho dushta chetasaam |

ananya gatikaanaam cha prabhu bhaktaikavatsalah

shanaishcara tatra nrisimhadeva chakaaraamalacittavritih |

pranamya shashtaangam asheshaloka kireeta neeraajita paadapadmam || 1 |

Lord Narasimhadeva is easily accessible to the devotees and punishes those who are evil minded. He is the saviour for those who are helpless who desire to seek refuge in Him.

When the Celestials of innumerable planets bow down to His lotus feet, the bright jewels from their crowns are reflected on His toenails which gives the impression that lamps are being waved in front of them. Unto His lotus feet, Lord Shanideva prostrated and prayed (in the court of Lord Brahma).

Shree Shaniruvaacha

yat paadapankajaraja paramaadharena

samsevitam sakala kalmasha raasheenaasham |

kalyaana kaarakam asheshani jaanugaanam |

sa tvam nrisimha mayi dehi kripaavalokam ||2||

Shree Shanideva said By the mercy of the dust of Your lotus feet which destroy a

multitude of sins, grant infinite auspiciousness to Your devotee who always worships Your lotus feet with devotion. O Lord Narasimha, please bestow upon me Your merciful sidelong glance.

sarvatra chanchalatayaa sthitayaapi lakshmyaah |

brahmaadivandyapadayaa stirayaanya sevi ||

paadaaravindayugalam paramaadharena |

sa tvam nrisimha mayi dehi kripaavalokam||3||

Your lotus feet are worshipped by Goddess Lakshmi, even though She is fickle by nature (cancala) and by Lord Brahma and Lord Shiva whose feet are worthy of worship with devotion. O Lord Narasimha, please bestow upon me Your merciful sidelong glance

yad roopam aagamashirah pratipaadhyamaadhya |

aadhyaatmikaadi paritaapa haram vicintyam ||

yogeeshvarair apathagaakhila dosha sanghaih |

sa tvam nrisimha mayi dehi kripaavalokam||4||

By contemplating or meditating upon Your appearance, which is expounded in the Vedas extensively, the best of the saints are liberated from the threefold miseries and from all misfortunes. O Lord Narasimha, please bestow upon me Your merciful sidelong glance.

prahlaada bhakta vachasaa harir aaviraasa |

stambhe hiranyakashipum ya udhaarabhaavah ||

urvau nidhaaya udharam nakhaarai dadhaara |

sa tvam nrisimha mayi dehi kripaavalokam||5||

By the word of His devotee named Prahlada, Lord Hari, who is generous and kind, appeared from a pillar and by placing Hiranyakashipu on His thighs split open the his stomach with His nails. O Lord Narasimha, please bestow upon me Your merciful sidelong glance.

yo naija bhaktam analaambudhi bhoodharogra |

shringaprapaata visha dhamti sareesupebhyah |

sarvaatmakah paramakaaruniko raraksha |

sa tvam nrisimha mayi dehi kripaavalokam||6||

You protected your own devotee Prahlada from a raging fire, the deep ocean, from falling from a tall mountain peak, poison, a mad elephant and the fangs of poisonous serpents. You are omnipresent and supremely generous. O Lord Narasimha, please bestow upon me Your merciful sidelong glance.

yannirvikaara pararoopa vicintanena |

yogeeshvaraa vishaya saagara veta raagaah ||

vishraamtim aapuravinaasha vateem paraakhyaam |

sa tvam nrisimha mayi dehi kripaavalokam ||7||

By meditating upon He whose great form is devoid of imperfections, the best of the saints attained liberation from the ocean of materialistic attachments and obtained unmitigated salvation. O Lord Narasimha, please bestow upon me Your merciful sidelong glance.

yad roopamugra parimardana bhaava shaali |

samchintanena sakalaagha vinaasha kaari |

bhoota jvara graha samudbhava bheeti naasham |

sa tvam nrisimha mayi dehi kripaavalokam ||8||

By meditating upon He whose form is fearsome, all peace, happiness and prosperity can be obtained, all sins can be obliterated, the fear arising from evil spirits, fevers and unfavorable planetary positions can be removed, O Lord Narasimha, please bestow upon me Your merciful sidelong glance.

yasyottamam yasha umaapatim padmajanma |

shakraadi daivata sabhaasu samastageetam ||

shaktaiva sarvashamala prashamaika daksham |

sa tvam nrisimha mayi dehi kripaavalokam ||9||

Your transcendental fame is sung gloriously in all the divine assemblies of Lord Shiva, Lord Brahma and Lord Indra etc. and whose power is steadfast in wiping out all impurities, O Lord Narasimha, please bestow upon me Your merciful sidelong glance.

evam shrutvaa stutim devah

shaninaam kalpitaam harih |

uvaasha brahma vrindasta

shanim tam bhaktavatsalah ||10||

On listening to the heartfelt prayer composed by Shanideva in the assembly of Lord Brahma, Lord Hari who is ever compassionate to His devotees, spoke to Shanideva as follows.

Shree Nrisimha uvaacha

prasannoham shane tubhyam |

varam varaya shobhanam ||

yam vaanchasi tameva tvam |

sarvaloka hitaavaham ||11||

Shree Nrisimhadeva said – O Shani, I am pleased with your devotion. What ever you desire that will benefit the world, ask for that boon and I will grant it.

Shree Shanir uvaaca

nrisimha tvam mayi kripaam

kuru deva dayaanidhe |

mad vaasaras tava preeti

kara syat devataapate ||12||

mat kritam tvat param stotram

shrinvanti cha patanti cha |

sarvaan kaaman poorayetaas

teshaam tvam lokabhaavana ||13||

Shree Shanideva replied – O Lord Narasimha, O reservoir of compassion, please be kind to me. O Lord of all Celestials, let my day of the week (Saturday) be Your favourite day. O Purifier of all the worlds, may You fulfil the desires of all those who listen to or read this great prayer to You composed by me.”

Shree Nrisimha uvaacha

tataivaastu shaneham vai

rakshobhuvana samsthitah |

bhakta kaamaan poorayishye

tvam mamaika vachah shrinu ||

tvat kritam mat param stotram

yah patecchrinu yaaccha yah |

dvaadashaashtama janmastaad

bhayam maastu tasya vai ||14||

Shree Nrisimhadeva said – O Shani, let it be so! By virtue of My being the universal protector (rakshobhuvana), I fulfil the desires of all My devotees. Please listen to My words let there be no fear of the twelfth and eighth birth positions consequentially any unfavorable birth positions and consequent troubles from you for anyone who reads or listens to this prayer to Me composed by you.

shani naraharim devam

tateti pratyuvaacha ha

tatah paramasamtushto

jayeti munayovadan ||15||

Then Shanideva replied to Lord Narahari that he would follow the Lord’s instructions. Then the joyful saints and sages present there (in Lord Brahma’s assembly) responded with cries of, ‘jaya, jaya!’”.

Shree Krishna uvaacha itam shanaishcarasyaata nrisimha deva.

Shree Krishna uvaacha

itam shanaishcarasyaata nrisimha deva |

samvaadam etat stavanam cha maanavah ||

shrinoti yah shraavayate cha bhaktyaa

sarvaanyaabheeshtaani cha vindate dhruvam ||16||

Shree Krishna told Dharmaraja, “Whoever listens to or recites this conversation between Shanideva and Lord Narasimha in the form of this prayer of devotion will definitely have all desires fulfilled and will always rejoice.”

iti shree bhavishyottara puraane

rakshobhuvana mahaatme shree

shanaishchara krita shree

nrisimha stuti sampoornam

Thus ends the prayers offered to the universal protector Shree Narasimha by the great soul

New Expose VID / Missing ISKCON Parents / Ajit Krishna / Purujit etc. 12 22 25

 

WHERE WERE THE PARENTS? 

PADA: The question I get from the media folks all the time is -- if there were apparently 2,000 cases of serious child mistreatment, or more, how many cases were reported to the authorities? OK nearly zilch. That means the parents also did not report it. Yes the leaders are the main suspects, but many -- if not most -- of the rank and file are also negligent. I remember when we started the lawsuit many PARENTS were yelling in my face for "ruining ISKCON." 

The blame goes a lot deeper than the leaders themselves. And many of those parents still hold a grudge against me even now, for advocating the issue. This is a society wide problem, not just the leaders. The result is -- many victims feel they did not get support and protection from -- any sector. And that is the main reason they are so far alienated, they feel they did not get support on any level, and let us face it, they didn't. One devotee told me his kid will never speak to him ever again, the kid blames the parent, and I told this devotee, his kid is correct. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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AJIT KRISHNADASA STILL FOLLOWS  HARIKESHA

PADA: Yeah prabhu, this was the same issue we had with Ajitkrsna and Torben in 2015. The ritvik idea is bogus, we need another guru. Sure, and who is the "other guru"? Name please! Nobody actually. Umm, why is it always "nobody is the guru" and he cannot be named? Or it is that they still follow the GBC gurus, or even Harikesha? 

A female PADA reader said, let us be honest, they want to ban us Prabhupada devotees, because they want Prabhupada also banned. OK that is the impression this creates. But Ajit Krishna got his training from Harikesh, who was cruelly banning Srila Prabhupada devotees left, right and center, sometimes with tragic and terrible results for the children of those devotees. 

And Ajit thinks following Harikesha's ideas of banning Srila Prabhupada devotees, and thus following Harikesha, is STILL the way forward today. Another woman wrote to tell me, once a female has her first sex encounter, she always has favorable emotions for that man, even if he turns out to be a violent jerk.  

And she says this also happens to many ISKCON people. They get a bogus guru, their first encounter with a guru, but they remain favorable to that guy, or his ideas, even when he turns out to be a jerk. Same process. She says ISKCON suffers from "battered wife syndrome." Hee hee, well yup. ys pd 

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PADA: Oh oh pilgrims, Purujit has stolen Mukunda's Prabhupada book. I dunno, maybe it is the case. But Mukunda, IRM, HKC Jaipur, Mathura Pati and many others often steal the quotes and citations, and arguments, that we compiled in the 1980s. Worse, we had to pay to print Sulochana's "Guru Business," because he was broke. And Mukunda later cut and pasted the book we originally printed and distributed -- without ever giving us credit for publishing it in the first place. 

But hey, I am not really looking for credit, but just wanted to make the record clear. We also advanced the child abuse issue, and then later on all sorts of people -- who were my former worst critics on this issue -- began to blow the emergency fog horn on that same issue. OK but only after stomping major jack boots on me beforehand. No credit ever given to us, no apology, no nothing -- except rarely. 

Same thing with the changed books issue. People like Ajit Krishna stole that issue from us. Same thing with the poison issue, HKC Jaipur people like Kamasahanta blasted me for bringing it up. Then he began to promote it himself -- without giving us credit, or giving an apology for being a jerk on this issue from square one. 

So there is a lot of theft of materials going on all the time. Am I unhappy with not getting credit? Well nope, actually I am just glad these issues are out there and even my opponents are using our stuff, albeit a little late in the game. Better they use our stuff than not.

Truth be told, getting credit can be dangerous to life and limb around ISKCON. We probably don't want much credit all the time in ISKCON land, since people who get credit for dissenting can end up dead. But the point is, this is clearly a case of one thief calling another thief a thief. 

And as far as stealing materials and erasing history, our critics do that all day long. All of this is making the GBC people argue, the ritviks are always fighting -- so they are bogus. OK but are any of these people actually ritviks? I think a lot of them are self promoters riding on our issues coat tails to promote themselves. 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com  

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PADA: I saw the video. NICE KIRTAN!

The League of Devotees is feeling festive at Hare Krishna Centre - Leicester, UK.

Leicester, United Kingdom

Christmas Kirtan - Leicester, UK - Saturday 20th December

Two of our member organisations - The Hare Krishna Project and Hare Krishna Centre - Leicester, UK - teamed up last night for a blissful evening of chanting, dancing, feasting and philosophy.

 
The League of Devotees is an international network of independent Hare Krishna temples and projects – supporting and encouraging one another – under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada.

Last night's kirtan event was held at 28 Evington Rd, Leicester - the home of Hare Krishna Centre - Leicester, UK (our first League of Devotees temple in the UK).
The centre was packed out with kirtan lovers to sing-in the Christmas holidays...

"There is no such requirement that Japa should be silently and chanting should be be done differently. Loudly or silently, everything is all right. There is no such restriction. Only thing is that we should chant very attentively, hearing the vibration very distinctly."

– Srila Prabhupada (Letter to Satsvarupa)

#HareKrishna #Leicester #HareKrishnaCentre #LeagueOfDevotees #SaturdayNightKirtan

New Bangalore Video Series / Ajit Krsnadasa / Bhakti Caru's De Facto Ritvik 12 21 25

AJIT KRISHNA

PADA: OK so Ajit Krishna still says that he and Torben did the right thing banning me from the ISKCON History forum, because ritvik (worshiping Srila Prabhupada as the pure devotee) is bogus. He says we Prabhupada worshiping devotees need to be banned, kicked out, and there is nothing wrong doing that. Which is what Tamal said, and which is what Bhakti Vikas swami not only advocates -- BVKS supports suing the Prabhupada devotees to have them removed. 

Evidently, Ajit implies at least -- we can worship more than one guru. OK implying that he has another guru. But worshiping another guru was never authorized by Srila Prabhupada, rather he said worshiping another guru is "spiritual prostitution and a personal insult to me." I heard him say that in person in India. 

Ajit Krishna says that Srila Prabhupada's statements in this regard "make no logical sense." What? Srila Prabhupada was actually crying when he told us that, this is spiritual prostitution. Sorry this is very logical.  

So it appears that Ajit Krishna is still with the Jayapataka GBC siddhanta camp, we can have another guru -- other than -- Srila Prabhupada. But he refuses to name that other guru, most likely, because if he does, we will identify that guru as deviated. Srila Prabhupada says not naming the guru is mayavada. And Ajit complained that makes no logical sense either. Srila Prabhupada makes no sense?  

But Ajit and Jayapataka have the same exact idea, they both think the ritviks need to be kicked out, banned, removed -- which is what Jayapataka is doing to us as well. The Jayapataka goondas kicked us out, and so does Ajit. 

Yeah lets kick out the bogus people who worship Srila Prabhupada, which is really just another GBC pt. II. He says my logic is faulty. Nope, kicking out the Srila Prabhupada devotees, the checks and balances Srila Prabhupada intended to act as a sort of second tier watchdog group, is how we got the changed books and changed everything else. 

If Ajit wants to ban and kick out people for the crime of worshiping a pure devotee, he has never left the GBC camp. The only good news is that he has gone over to the mayavada "not naming the guru" camp, and I admit -- the mayavadas are better than the GBC. I give them some credit. 

The ritviks are bogus because they are not mayavadas, not spiritual prostitutes, and can name their guru. And that is why they need to be banned. We cannot have people naming a pure devotee as their guru, lets us ban them! So that is no different than the GBC / BVKS banning policy, which means Ajit has not learned from his mistake of promoting these deviants and their corrupt policies in the first place. 

But if we ban the whistle blowers on the changed books, the pedophile problem, the changed deity pooja, the bogus appointment and other problems, then those problems have no checks and balances, which is what happened in ISKCON. And that is why those problems rose to become prominent, and hi-jacked the entire agenda. 

OK so we need to ban the whistle blowers on these problems, then we wonder why these problems become widespread? As the Berkeley police told me in 1986, the people who oppose you are feeding the criminal problems (like child abuse) by silencing the critics. Of course this is all a hysterical joke for Bhakti Vikas types, and Ajit is also showing me he thinks all this is a comedy show with a smiley face meme. He has never left the GBC. 

Rather oddly, after kicking me off the ISKCON forum, Ajit now wants me to show the transcripts of our discussions there, which he erased from my view? So yeah, he is just another version of Bhakti Vikas swami, ban the Srila Prabhupada devotees, and then we have all sorts of problems when the check and balance is removed. I don't need to show where Ajit promoted Bhakti Vikas swami's "banning" policy in the past, because Ajit has the same policy now. There is no difference between Ajit's current policy and BVKS's -- that I can see at all.     

A devotee recently said he can no longer afford health care because his premium went more than double, and he says -- removing health care will cause him and millions of others -- to suffer and -- die. OK so removing and banning the system that helps contain criminal things will make everything worse. And it has. 

Same thing, removing us whistle blowers caused all these other problems, and made them exponentially worse. Then the "reformers" -- including Ajit Krishna dasa and BVKS -- make pretend they are trying to fix these problems -- which they helped create with their banning the whistle blowers program. 

The other amazing thing is that when this all started, I asked them to identify and name their "other" guru, and they never have. They are just upset and angry when someone worships a pure devotee. And they are thus another version of GBC guru clones who want to suppress and remove us, so they are basically still BVKS parrots. 

Anyway, this is good, Ajit says that the policy of forbidding the worship of pure devotees is correct, the worshipers of pure devotees need to be banned. And that is why ISKCON has become the mess it is. Another devotee says, they never name their "other" guru because they would rather have people worship no one and nothing than Srila Prabhupada. They are envious of his being worshiped. Yep, worship no one -- which is mayavada, and which Srila Prabhupada says is covert atheist.  

Told ya! 

ys pd angel108b@yaoho.com   

LD: The ritviks? Are the SAME people who started the changed books argument in 1980s. And started KBI. And! Are only people ... on earth ... who even have original books! Need to get rid of them! And their books are gone too! That helps the book changers. They really do not want this problem solved. They want to get rid of the ritviks ... and that gets rid of original books. Method to the madness. Get rid of us? Eliminates the books. Jayadvaita's problem solved! 

Not "naming their guru" ... because we will find out? Their guru's hands are dirty. And their hands are all already dirty for getting rid of us. They have no authority to ban the worship of pure devotees ... and worship some dubious clowns. Anyone who worships pure devotees has to be banned, Ajit is another BVKS. both posing as reformers. 

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BHAKTI CARU SWAMI [BCS] INITIATION

a) BCS states that initiation is being given on behalf of Srila Prabhupada:

“And I am giving you initiation on behalf of ISKCON, on behalf of Prabhupada. […] On behalf of Srila Prabhupada I give you your spiritual name, Parama Karuna Dasa, […] So, your name on behalf of Srila Prabhupada I am giving as Nama Chintamani dasi,"

b) No mention is made of making any vow to BCS, and BCS speaks of only making a commitment to Srila Prabhupada, but never to himself:

“And your commitment to Srila Prabhupada will be shown by how sincerely you are practising the process.”

c) The ceremony consisted of chanting of Brahma-samhita, lecture about initiation and surrender, acamana (preparation for fire sacrifice), fire sacrifice, explanation of and making vows for chanting 16 rounds, giving of spiritual names, and explanation of avoiding the ten offenses while chanting.

Ritvik initiation

The initiate would go through the same procedure above and become initiated by Srila Prabhupada. One can verify this by checking the Bhaktivedanta Vedabase – for example “Lecture and initiation, Seattle, 20th October, 1968”. 

In most initiations, especially in later years, the ceremony was not conducted by Srila Prabhupada personally, but by a representative such as a temple president, just as BCS is doing here. In this latter case the spiritual name would be first received via a letter from Srila Prabhupada, or after July 9th, 1977, from one of the 11 appointed ritvik priests, who would accept the disciple and give the spiritual name on behalf of Srila Prabhupada, just as BCS has done here.

Role in life of initiate

BCS initiation

“You want to take initiation from me, but how often we will meet? I think I came to Germany after four years? The Prabhupada installation was? Five years, okay, yes, five years. So, if I come after five years, what will you do for those five years? The question naturally arises, then Maharaja, why are you giving initiation? 

[…] I agreed with one confidence. That ISKCON is there to take care of you. […] And you stay fixed up in ISKCON. Because, you see, you will hardly have my association. What is going to happen to your spiritual life, if you are simply depending upon me?”

Ritvik initiation

As above, when one got initiated on behalf of Srila Prabhupada via his representative during Srila Prabhupada’s physical presence, the initiate may or may not see or take guidance from that representative, but rather would depend on the physical association of all the other devotees in ISKCON.

BCS initiation

“Actually what attracted you to spiritual life is Srila Prabhupada. The devotees you met, they are Prabhupada’s devotees, ISKCON devotees means Prabhupada’s devotees. The books that you read are Prabhupada’s books. You are being sheltered by Prabhupada’s arrangement, in the form of ISKCON. 

[…] The point is: Always try to remember that Srila Prabhupada is your main spiritual shelter.” 

[…] And read Prabhupada’s books every day. Why is reading Srila Prabhupada’s books so important? When you read Prabhupada’s books, Prabhupada is guiding you. And Prabhupada’s vani is manifest in his books. Did you ever try this? You have any difficulty, you are in a difficult situation and you just opened Prabhupada’s books to direct you as if Prabhupada is directing you, giving you the answer. Prabhupada is still here in the form of his vani. Prabhupada’s vani is manifest in the form of his books.”

Ritvik initiation

As above, those initiated by Srila Prabhupada during his physical presence, whether via a representative or not, would have had their main association with Srila Prabhupada via his books, since, most of his disciples never met him.

Relationship with initiate

BCS initiation

BCS states he is not acting as the diksa guru, who connects the disciple to Krishna, but is connecting the initiate to Srila Prabhupada.

“And then you decided to accept me as your Guru. Then what is my duty as your Guru? To connect you to Srila Prabhupada. […] And Guru’s business is meant to be your transparent via-medium. And generally the Guru acts as a transparent via-medium between the disciple and Krishna. But here I am acting as a transparent via-medium between you all and Srila Prabhupada.”

Ritvik initiation

When one got initiated by Srila Prabhupada during his physical presence via his representative, this representative was not the diksa guru, since he did not connect one to Krishna. Rather, the representative merely helped the initiate to connect formally to Srila Prabhupada via the medium of the formal initiation ceremony. And as noted, this is how BCS has defined his relationship with the initiate (even though he has used the word “guru” for this.)

Conclusion

If BCS had agreed to obey Srila Prabhupada’s orders, and become authorised by the GBC to become his ritvik representative, and carry out initiations according to the procedure given in Srila Prabhupada’s July 9th 1977 directive, he could have carried out the ceremony as he did here. Conversely, someone wishing to become initiated by Srila Prabhupada could have participated in this ceremony, and think he was initiated as Srila Prabhupada’s disciple! 

Hence, due to the efforts of the IRM, with the battle having been won philosophically, the ISKCON gurus are being forced to effectively concede defeat by reinventing themselves as glorified ritviks. However, they continue cheating by ensuring the benefits of being treated as diksa gurus stay intact. 

This is all part and parcel of the evolution of ‘The Great Guru Hoax’, from Part 1 - labelled as acaryas – to Part 2 - labelled as “humbler” diksa gurus - to Part 3 – even acting and being labelled as ritviks. In this way the guru hoax has continued to mutate and survive, with each new version merely offering a different vehicle by which to achieve the same goal of controlling men, money and properties, with such control either remaining intact or merely changing hands.

D Dasi: Absolutely… They just want all the worship and all the recognition and all the money and attention but basically telling them they're not taking the responsibility of the disciples karma because they hand them over to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada acting like it's on his behalf. So they want all the rewards and fruit of results and they want His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada to take all the karma. They are just crooked businessmen disguising themselves as genuine followers. 

Good luck on that one! No matter how much trickery or word jugglery they give… It doesn't change what they are actually doing. I guess they don't understand that Krishna is in everybody's heart and knows exactly what's going on.

CMD: Sounds like ritvik by stealth.

PADA: Yeah Trivrikrama was yelling in 1990 that the GBC policy of restricting acharyas is the same as the ritvik idea and is thus "another name for ritvik." ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

ISKCON's Arati to Deviants / Mukunda UK / Ajit Krishna 12 20 25

Radha and Krishna.

This is an image I originally made in AI.

And then I did a lot of re-working in Procreate I-pad.

PADA: Yes this is a good question. If we are ordered to offer bhogha ONLY to the pure devotee, why are we instead offering bhogha to photos of people who are falling down left, right and center? And Jayadvaita says these gurus are -- in fact -- falling into illicit sex with men, women and possibly children. The only good news is that the family goat will not be engaged in amorous pastimes by these GBC gurus.  

When did Srila Prabhupada order that ISKCON should place the photos of the GBC managers on the altars and offer to them? And in some temples, there is a stack of GBC photos by the altars which means the photos are being changed around all the time. No one in the congregation even knows whose photo is on there half the time. Whole thing is ritvik-diculous. ys pd

MUKUNDA UK (Mark Whitely)

PADA: Yes prabhu he says Narada is not following Srila Prabhupada by helping Mukunda in promoting Hitler, except Srila Prabhupada orders his followers -- do not promote Hitler, never mind making promoting Hitler a 20 year ranting public issue. Mukunda does not even follow Srila Prabhupada, plain and simple. 

Meanwhile, Mukunda promotes defenders of the GBC like Naranaryan dasa, who says the GBC's pedophile messiah's project is "The Golden Body of ISKCON." And then HKC Jaipur and their henchman Prahlad say PADA is making offenses to their Divine Golden Body of pedophile messiah's pooja project. And Prahlad says he is going to send my photo to the pedophile messiah's goondas to get me taken out. We know whose team the HKC Jaipur folks are on.  

Wow, as soon as these people find a nice pedophile messiah's program, they think they have seen the Golden Body of God. Someone else told me, these people are like the worshipers of the Golden Calf Idol in the Bible, and they were punished by God. 

In short, they do not even know that a homosexual and pedophile messiah's program is not the Divine Golden Body of God, rather it is the Golden Body Idol of Satan. Then they want to lecture us on the glories of Hitler, whom Srila Prabhupada says is an asura. 

And someone else said, the asuras always glorify the other asuras, as we see from the Krishna book. OK Mukunda promotes other asuras because he is one, and that is why he promotes his favorite pedophile pooja defenders as the Golden Body of God, which is another one of his asura-vada examples. 

Mukunda evidently does not even know that pedophile pooja is not the Golden Body of God, and he is going to lecture us about the glories of Hitler? Some of Mukunda's relatives wrote to ask me -- what is the problem -- and I had to explain to them, I do not support pedophile pooja or its cheer leaders and defenders as the Golden Body of God. ys pd  

AJIT KRISHNA DASA

https://arsaprayoga.com/2025/12/19/jayadvaita-swami-makes-a-mad-change-revisited-bhagavad-gita-13-1-2/?

PADA: OK this is good, except Ajit Krishna had me kicked off the ISKCON History Forum and his program was saying Bhakti Vikas is a bona fide guru. Umm, BVKS is part of the books changers party? Whenever you guys want to start making sense, let me know. But yeah, these book changes are bogus, no question. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com  

ISKCON Gurus Are Irreligion / Mukunda UK vs Narada UK 12 18 25

 

PADA: Yeah, promoting illicit sex with men, women and children as God's successors is not religion. Even the atheists are not saying that God's successors are lusty dogs. The atheists are not attacking God day and night, insulting God, like the GBC process. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com 

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MUKUNDA UK VS NARADA UK

PADA: Oh oh pilgrims Mukunda UK is saying that Nathan Hartley (Narada dasa) wants Srila Prabhupada Truthers in jail. OK that is because Mukunda is not following Srila Prabhupada's direct orders -- not to discuss Hitler. 

After Hansadutta's Schloss was raided -- and the police found Mein Kamph type books there, this created a scandal in the German media. After that -- Srila Prabhupada forbade his followers from discussing Hitler, and he even put that into his Srimad Bhagavatam, his followers should NOT discuss Hiter. But Mukunda does not follow Srila Prabhupada. Every Vaishnava camp has wrote to PADA to complain about Mukunda's Hitler nonsense. 

But it is far worse than that. Mukunda also promotes people like Saint Radhanath's cheer leader Bhakta dasa, and the writings of Bhavananda's bucket boy Hari Sauri. The Dallas courts found that New Vrndavana was one of the worst examples of child abuse. Never mind Radhanath is alleged to have had a role in getting rid of Sulochana. Why is Mukunda promoting the mass child abuse program's cheer leaders, and probable help mate causes of Sulochana's departure? 

Never mind Hari Sauri's Mayapur is probably worse for child abuse than New Vrndavana. Why is Mukunda in bed with the molester messiah's program's defenders and henchmen? 

Then HKC Jaipur folks started to promote Mukunda, same thing, they are in the same bed. Sorry, Nathan Hartley is correct, Srila Prabhupada does not want his followers to promote Hitler-ness. It is giving Krishna a bad media image. And when it comes to who should be in jail, promoters of the cheer leaders of a pedophile guru process need to be in jail. 

Ask some of the victims! And no small amount of victims have told me Mukunda is just another defender of the pedophile guru's program because he is promoting their cheer leaders. He is just another member of the gang, pretending he isn't. Same thing victims have told me about Mathura Pati etc. 

In any case, promoting Hitler is never going to make Krishna look good, because Hitler is an asura and promoting him makes Krishna look like he favors asuras and their agendas.  

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-hitler-prajalpa-program-update.html

PADA: Looking at a few quotes we can find below that Srila Prabhupada clearly criticized Hitler in at many places. We can see that his many quotes criticizing Hitler are much much greater than allegedly supporting Hitler.

"So asura, to kill the asuras, however powerful they may be... We have seen. There were so many asuras in this world. There was Lenin, there was Stalin, there was Hitler, there was Hiraṇyakaśipu. So many. But they could not survive. It is not possible. They'll be finished. So asuras, to kill them ... Paritranaya sadhun..., vinasaya...(BG 4.8) To kill the duskrtam, these asuras, Krishna does not require to come. He comes only to give protection and pleasure to the devotees. That is his aim."

(Lecture on SB 1.8.20 -- Mayapura, September 30, 1974)

[PADA: Right, the first proposal is that Hitler is a demon, an asura. Why do the Hitler prajalpa people meditate on the demons, and they want the entire human society to do the same? What good is being accomplished by meditation on the asuras and demons? Glorifying the demons, ooops, that is also what the bogus GBC's false gurus do? They glorify people unworthy of such praise.

Hitler also lost the battle, whatever it was he set out to accomplish ... failed. And he apparently died from his own hand in a suicide in a bunker, self-evidently afraid to come out and fight on his own. What kind of example is this for human society to follow? We all need to all sit around in a bunker and not bother fighting ourselves, while we "manage" innocent hundreds of thousands of others to fight for us, and they are suffering and dying while we are living like kings? OK like Hitler does?

Srila Prabhupada says a leader sitting in a bunker is Kali Yuga and demoniac, the leader or King should put his own life on the line first. Yep. This is also what the false GBC's gurus do, they sit around in their offices and get their goons to come out to confront us "dissenters" on the sidewalk. Again, whatever the GBC's bogus gurus are doing, the Hitler-anugas think this is the right path for all society? What is the difference between the demons like Kamsa, who sends out various goons to fight on his behalf -- because he is too cowardly and frightened to go himself; and the Hitler-anuga's process? Hitler is also a guy who also gets various goons to fight on his behalf? And why do the Hitler-anugas glorify this mentality?

Srila Prabhupada ALSO says it is very sinful just to look at the cover of "Time" magazine, because there are often photos of these mundane politicians on the cover -- and its sinful just to see their faces. The Hitler-anugas promote and post photos of Hitler all over the place, while Srila Prabhupada says it is sinful just to see these types of people, meditate on their photos, and hear the words of such mundane men.

Why are the Hitler-anugas trying to drag the entire world down into their sinful activity of meditation on the demons and their photos? Srila Prabhupada says it is sinful, the Hitler-anugas think its wonderful, who is right? Did we forget to mention the GBC's false gurus also want people to meditate on the photos of their mundane men gurus? Birds of a feather?]

"To the atheists who are guided by the animal qualities of passion and ignorance, physically powerful men like ... Ravana, Meghnad, Jarasandha, Hitler, Mussolini, etc. are considered as Mahajans. (Srila Prabhupada)

[PADA: Hitler is being compared to the likes of "demons" of past and current times, such as Ravan, Mussolini, Jarasandha etc. Demons ALL have one thing in common, they are always exploiters of others. Sometimes they are sexual predators. For sure they are opposed to Krishna. Also notice, the asuras are controlled by the darkest modes of nature, the animal-like qualities of passion and ignorance. To sum up, the demons are controlled by the darkest natures of rajas and tamas guna, passion and ignorance, or worse -- animal consciousness. This is the direction we need to steer the human society into?

Why do these Hitler-anugas mediate on darkness, tamasic guna and animal consciousness, and they want others to do same? What is the benefit of absorbing oneself in animal consciousness, which leads one to a next birth as an animal? And if the mega-asuras are responsible for death and suffering of many others, then they are people who are going to the lowest regions of the universe, worse than the regular man on the street. Why would we mediate on such low class hell-bound persons? And why would we mix up the Vedas as allegedly supportive of these hell-bound individuals? People who cause massive suffering for others, oh I almost forgot, just like the GBC's false gurus, are the people we need to glorify. That will fix things!

As Srila Prabhupada says, a leader accepts the karma for the collective actions and reactions of all the citizen he is affecting, and if he is overseeing mass death and destruction, he will have to suffer millions of future lives to pay back the suffering he generated for millions of others. Why would we meditate on people who are going to suffer millions of future births for creating suffering for masses of other living beings? And this is the path to success? For whom? And what is the difference between these asuras causing people to suffer, and the GBC's false gurus causing people to suffer, aren't they ALL peas in a PADA?]

"The whole history of the world, you just study, is a history of sense gratification. Just take, for example, some twenty years ago one Mr. Adolf Hitler came in the scene, and there was great upheaval as war in Europe and America. From 1933 to 1947 or something like that, the whole world was in trouble. But he is gone, finished. And what did he do? Sense gratification, that's all."

(Bhagavad-gita Lecture 3.6-10. Los Angeles. 68-12-23)

[PADA: Right, Hitler created a major upheaval, and subsequent mass suffering for millions. Many died, not just from the howitzers, bullets, bombs, missiles etc., but also many hundreds of thousands of people were starving because the food and water supply system was upset and so on. Many also could not get proper water, electricity and basic food supplies for their babies and etc. Houses, apartments, hospitals, churches and schools were bombed, vehicles, roads and bridges were destroyed and so on.

In sum many people could not eat, their babies could not eat, their farm animals were starving, and the Hitler-anugas think this is a great path forward for humanity to follow? So this is why Srila Prabhupada says the asuras love to create horrible things, like atom bombs and wars that kill and destroy life, and devastates human society. Yep. "The whole world was in trouble," and that is the nature of the demons, they love to create trouble for the whole world. And some say the ISKCON GBC's gurus have done the same type thing, they created troubles all over the world for the sincere devotees, which means suffering for all of human society which is then affected.

Why do these Hitler-anugas think this path is the way forward for the world?

Lets not forget how badly many millions of animals suffered, they were also being bombed and because their system of care-takers and food and supplies was also blocked and so forth. This will make the world a better place, to have more of this suffering and death agenda?]

"No, the greater power is Krsna. If you take shelter of Krsna, they cannot do anything. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, he was a five years old boy. He took shelter of Krsna and his father was a great demon, very powerful. He wanted to chastise his boy. He could not. This is the proof. So you take shelter. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja, aham tvam sarva-pape... [Bg. 18.66]. "I give you protection."

"So people have no faith although He's God. He thinks God is less powerful than Hitler. That is his nonsense. If he takes actually shelter of Krsna, what this rascal, Hitler, can do? But he has no faith in God. He thinks Prabhu Hitler is greater than Lord. Prabhu Hitler. That is the difference between the crows and the swans. The crows think that we have got food in the garbage. And the swans think that we have got food in nice garden, in the clear water. And that is difference even in the birds kingdom."

(Room Conversation with Dr. Christian Hauser, Psychiatrist. Stockholm. 73-09-10)

[PADA: Hah hah, right, the Hitler-anugas are compared to dirty filthy minded crows, simply eating garbage, talking garbage, promoting garbage etc. Nice summary! So the swans will mediate on Krishna and the crows will mediate on their neo-Nazi garbage, and that is seen even in the bird kingdom. Right! So this is very amazing, the Hitler-anugas are simply of the same mentality as garbage minded crows. And of course, that is also why they are making things harder for some of the sincere devotees by mixing up their asura consciousness, animal consciousness, modes of darkness, asura-loving death and destruction program -- with the Vedas.]

"Just like in your Western countries there was Napoleon, there was Hitler, there was Mussolini, here also, big, big leaders, but what they are? Big, big servants of the senses, that's all. Big, big servants of the senses. Therefore Bhagavata has said, sva-vid-varahosttra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuḥ (SB 2.3.19). Purusah pasuḥ: "These big, big leaders are big, big animals, that's all." Samstutah purusah pasuḥ. So there are many instructive verses in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Therefore Srimad-Bhagavatam should be your life and soul to remain constantly in Krsna consciousness, yes, the unique gift of Sri Vyasadeva.

(Lecture SB 07.09.40 MAYAPUR - March 18, 1976)

[PADA: Again, purusah pasuh, human bodies who are really thinking like big animals. And mediation on animals takes one to birth as an animal ... we become what we mediate on. So the Hitler-anugas are trying to drag the whole world to their level, and take everyone to hell -- to become "big animals" in this life and the next, by meditation on such big animals. So that means, they are already animals because that is what they meditate on. Why are they trying to get the mass of people to meditate on big animals? Srila Prabhupada explains that too: Because the asuras want to degrade the entire human society, and take them down to their level.]

"An example can help us to understand the inconceivable potency of the Supreme Lord. In the recent history of warfare the Supreme Personality of Godhead created a Hitler and, before that, a Napoleon Bonaparte, and they each killed many living entities in war. But in the end Bonaparte and Hitler were also killed. People are still very much interested in writing and reading books about Hitler and Bonaparte and how they killed so many people in war.

Year after year many books are published for public reading regarding Hitler's killing thousands of Jews in confinement. But no one is researching who killed Hitler and who created such a gigantic killer of human beings. The devotees of the Lord are not much interested in the study of the flickering history of the world. They are interested only in Him who is the original creator, maintainer and annihilator. That is the purpose of the Krsna consciousness movement."

(Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.11.9 Purport)

[PADA: Devotees have no interest in these topics. OK, that means the non-devotees do! Of course!]

"..defect of the modern politicians. Here at the present moment, their philosophy is that one must be very cunning diplomat, then he's successful politician. This is their philosophy. The most crooked man, like Cāṇakya. But our philosophy is that the political head should be like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Lord Rāmacandra. That is difference.

Here Churchill or Hitler or similar man, crooked man... Without being crooked one cannot become politician. Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, he said that "Consistency in politics is the qualification of an ass." Consistency. You must change. ()

Now we have got our great personalities, leaders. They are praised, eulogized, our, these political leaders. "Our Hitler," "Our Gandhi," "Our Churchill," "Our Nixon." But sastra says these leaders, those who are not spiritual leaders, those who cannot give our life, they are worshiped by these classes of animals, animals. These so-called leaders, politicians, they are eulogized very much by whom? By these class of men: dogs, camels, asses and.." (Srila Prabhupada)

[PADA: Right, perhaps the real reason the Hitler-anugas like Hitler so much, he is a crooked man. Not honest, using deceit, using lies, using manipulation of innocent people. Hansadutta used to yell in the Berkeley temple "tell a lie so big: no one would believe a person would make up such a lie, its too big to doubt," as he was quoting Hitler's writer Mr. Goebbels. How has his thinking helped ISKCON, or even himself?

Again the Hitler-anugas think just like the bogus GBC's gurus, lets lie and cheat the mass of public. And then what? One goes down, and takes birth among -- spiders, snakes, dogs, camels and asses. Why is this the way forward for human society? So its clear, Srila Prabhupada says these Hitler-anuga conscious people are like hogs, dogs, camels, asses, they are humans in animal consciousness.

Of course bodily identification, as a Hitler-ite, or whatever it is, this is also called animal consciousness, to identify with a particular race or body is called illusion and ignorance. One Jewish lady was in a conversation with one of these people and she said, "You are more bodily conscious than I ever will be, I never discuss people's race and religions." She defeated them.]

Disciple: Nietzsche believed that everyone has a “will to power,” but that the weak seek power vainly. For instance, in his will to power, Hitler sought to subjugate as much of the world as possible, but he was ultimately unsuccessful, and he brought disaster upon himself and Germany. Instead of trying to conquer himself, he attempted to conquer others, and this is the "will to power" misdirected or misinterpreted.

Srila Prabhupada: Men like Hitler are not able to control the force of anger. A king or national leader has to use anger properly. Narottama Dasa Thakura says that we should control our powers and apply them in the proper cases. We may become angry, but our anger must be controlled.

(Beyond Illusion and Doubt. 12. Nietzsche)

[PADA: Yep, lust, anger and greed are the three gates to hell. Hey lets meditate on -- the people who are on their way there? And what is the result even now in this life, "he brought disaster to himself and Germany." Great, lets follow the people who bring about disaster to themselves and destroy their own homeland and the people therein. Sounds like a winner package! Again, Hitler and the GBC's gurus are credited with mass destruction, why is this the winning ideal?]

Prabhupada: Well, foolish men cannot accept any logic. Their logic is stick. "If you don't accept, I shall kick on your face. Accept it." That is the... That is wanted.

Karandhara: Like the example when Hitler killed the Jews. They will say, "Well, what should we do, just let Hitler go on killing the Jews because the Jews were sinful? Or should we try and stop Hitler?"

Prabhupada: Well, Hitler was imperfect and everything was imperfect. That you cannot compare Hitler's action with God's action. God is all-perfect. That is first proposition. God is all-perfect.

(Morning Walk. Los Angeles 73-12-16)

"Just like in the history of the world there were so many big, big men - Hitler, Napoleon, this Churchill, Gandhi, Nehru. But all their powers, position, in one minute it becomes vanquished. There is no question... They are so proud, they do not believe in God, but when the death comes, they cannot argue anything.

The death orders, "Immediately vacate"—finished. You have to vacate. At that time their power, opulence, position—nothing can help. So Kṛṣṇa says, therefore... The atheist class of men who do not believe in God, decry the authority of God, for them... Of course, everyone dies, but for them, mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham (BG 10.34): Kṛṣṇa comes as death and takes away everything in their possession. But foolish persons, they do not see, still.

God says, Kṛṣṇa says, that "This death I am." Still they'll not. And it is a fact. When Kṛṣṇa comes as death, as Hiraṇyakaśipu... He was atheist, did not believe in God, but when God, Nṛsiṁha-deva came, then he was vanquished, everything, within a second. Nirastaḥ. Sa tu te nirastaḥ.

(Lecture SB 07.09.23 Mayapur- March 01, 1976)

Prabhupada: Is that rational, that another living entity like me should be killed for my benefit, for satisfying my tongue?
Syamasundara: Their idea is that the animal is not in the same category as myself because it has no...
Prabhupada: So that's alright; then might is right? Hitler is right? When Hitler, Hitler kills the Jews, he's right? He thinks that they are not in my category.
Syamasundara: The animal cannot understand philosophy.
Prabhupada: What does he understand of philosophy? He is mad; he is less than an animal. He does not understand philosophy. He does not know that the animal has also a soul, the animal has also life. Then he should be killed first.

(Dialectical Spirtualism - Hegel)

[PADA: Again, Hitler is a mad man, and the GBC's gurus are mainly mad men, its the same agenda. And they both think "might is right." So Hitler thinks we can kill others who are not in our race, religion or category, this is called illusion. In any case, Hitler is LESS THAN ANIMAL. So again, the Hitler-anugas want to drag the human society to LESS THAN ANIMAL consciousness, because that is where they live. Why do we want to glorify -- less than animals, unless we are less than animals ourselves?]

"This nationalism, this nationalism also the same mistake, but they are fighting so much. Great, great, big, big men. In this country, Napoleon fought. In Germany, Hitler fought. And so many others, in our country Gandhi fought. But he is in ignorance. All these big big leaders, they are ignorance, andha, blind. Blind. They do not know that he is not this body and neither this land belongs to him. But they fight. The whole history of the world means this mistaken idea. "I" and "mine." Therefore Krsna says, yat taj jnanam. Ksetra-ksetrajnayor yat taj-jnanam matam mama. Krsna is giving, that one should know what he is and one should know what is his body, then he is in knowledge. The matter cannot understand this. The dogs, cats, cannot understand this. But a human being can understand this. Bhagavad-gita is meant for the human being, not for the cats and dogs. Therefore, the human society should take care of this knowledge. Then his life will be successful.(Lecture on BG 13.3 -- Paris, August 11, 1973)

[PADA: Well there you have it: the blind leading the blind; creating troubles for the entire world; demons, asuras, hogs, dogs, camels, asses, modes of darkness, cannot control anger; killing others because they are not of the same bodily identity, and so on and so forth. This is not the agenda that Krishna supports, plain and simple. ys pd]