Struggle for Truth VIDEO / Purujit / Devotees Keeping Pets 12 14 25

PADA: Yeah deception is a good term, at the same time, an understatement. We are more realistically talking about massive wholesale criminal fraud, and potentially using poison and murder to attain a guru post artificially. But this is good, it makes the main point, the GBC guru program is a scam. ys pd

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PURUJIT DASA

PADA: Thanks KD. I agree, looks like Mr. Purujit has aged 40 years in 4 years. Something is wrong here. And for him to use this photo means, he and his handlers don't realize how odd this looks. Agreed, he looks angry, mean, worn out, and about as blissful as a sour lemon.   

A woman said, he looks like another spooky ghoul GBC guru. I really don't know what is going on with these folks, they never communicate. His followers said that PADA is a dried up old fart, out of touch with the newer devotees, and that is probably true. 

But it looks like they are turning into -- out of touch -- dried up -- old farts themselves. Be careful what curses we put on others, it might boomerang back to sender. Hee hee! Anyway, this is sad, he seems to be having some sort of melt down. I feel bad for the guy. Overall, I think he wanted to be a big cheese authority in the Krishna world, and he probably knows that is not going to happen by now. 

Same type problem with that Mathura Pati guy, he started promoting Mukunda's Hitler-anuga, Zionist bankers stuff -- and we had to help an Austria devotee threaten to report him to the Germany authorities for that, because it is illegal in Germany. We actually had to use the Germany laws to stop this jack booted fool from promoting worship of the Third Reich in the name of Krishna. But then again there are children abuse victims who say to PADA, these people are also defending Auschwitz for kids by attacking PADA.

Anyway! These maverick devotees almost always become attracted to things that are not authorized by Srila Prabhupada, or condemned by Srila Prabhupada. He specifally ordered all of us -- avoid Hitler topics, it will give us a bad name. And it has.

And some of them do potentially illegal things as well, which is also not good for Krishna's name. Every devotee sangha on Earth has wrote to complain to PADA about these HKC Jaipur and Mathura Pati folks promoting Mukunda's Hitler-anuga program, it is not pleasing to anyone. It is also NOT authorized by Krishna, it is a deviation. And then Mathura Pati goes and hangs out with fellow maverick Purujit.  

Meanwhile our old fart out of touch topics are being discussed all over the place, such as the bogus guru appointment, child molesting, books changes, poison case and other PADA issues. These issues are getting discussed MORE all the time, because these are the "in touch" issues and always have been. And other devotees, and indeed the Supreme Court of India, are taking more interest in PADA's topics. 

For example the $20,000,000 Bangalore case was founded on our original 1978 PADA idea, these 11 gurus were never appointed. Sorry, our ideas are gaining steam and are not old fart and out of touch issues. These are the big issues for young and old devotees alike. And other devotees are taking them up.  

https://www.dharmasanga.org/blog/children/please-dont-ignore-the-cries-of-srila-prabhupadas-abused-children/? 

The good news is, more people are onto these self promoter agenda guys, and they are not making much progress in hi-jacking the reform. Purujit's changed up self edited Gita -- has the same non-authorized problem -- and has thus had many complaints to PADA. 

And it is just not going to fly, plain and simple. Meanwhile a few people have said that since PADA is exposing child abuse, and they oppose PADA, that makes them hand maiden enablers for the abuse by suppressing our complaints. Well yup. 

And that might be why a person ages 40 years in 4 years. In any case, all along we are going after the bogus appointment issue, illicit sex acharyas issue, molesting issue, books changing issue, poison issue, and other issues, and they should be helping us and not trying to suppress us, which only helps the bad guys.

 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com  

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VRNDAVANA DEVOTEES DROWNED

PADA: Wow pilgrims. Nine devotees went in, only four survived. Danger at every step! Let's hope they are getting a better new situation now in their next lives. God speed spirit souls. We keep hearing about people drowning in rivers in India, ever since we first heard about India. Shouldn't they use life jackets in these "fast flowing" rivers over there? Might help! 

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LALA GOPAL DASI

Yes what Dhamaghosa says is true. I was in the Montreal temple at the time and even helped with the decoration of the new gurus vyasasans. We were told that the 11 gurus were pure devotees so when Kirtananda came to the temple my street smarts immediately detected that he was a homosexual. I said as much to my husband who at that time was in charge of the farm community. Even though I had a small baby, he told me to leave because I was being so offensive to a pure devotee.

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MUNDANE WELFARE WORK AND DEVOTEE'S PET ANIMALS

[Dhamaghosh dasa]

Hare Krsna-right now I am reading during morning prasadam the SB 5th Canto and have come to this story of Bharata Maharaja and his little deer friend. This is very instructive for us all for many different reasons.

SB 5.8.8-Gradually Mahārāja Bharata became very affectionate toward the deer. He began to raise it and maintain it by giving it grass. He was always careful to protect it from the attacks of tigers and other animals. When it itched, he petted it, and in this way he always tried to keep it in a comfortable condition. 

He sometimes kissed it out of love. Being attached to raising the deer, Mahārāja Bharata forgot the rules and regulations for the advancement of spiritual life, and he gradually forgot to worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead. After a few days, he forgot everything about his spiritual advancement.

SB 5.8.9 purport .. Naturally such an advanced person thinks of the suffering of the people in general. However, if one does not know of the material sufferings of fallen souls and becomes sympathetic because of bodily comforts, as in the case of Bharata Mahārāja, such sympathy or compassion is the cause of one’s downfall. 

If one is actually sympathetic to fallen, suffering humanity, he should try to elevate people from material consciousness to spiritual consciousness. As far as the deer was concerned, Bharata Mahārāja became very sympathetic, but he forgot that it was impossible for him to elevate a deer to spiritual consciousness, because, after all, a deer is but an animal. It was very dangerous for Bharata Mahārāja to sacrifice all his regulative principles simply to take care of an animal. 

The principles enunciated in Bhagavad-gītā should be followed. Yam hi na vyathayanty ete puruṣaṁ puruṣarṣabha. As far as the material body is concerned, we cannot do anything for anyone. However, by the grace of Krsna, we may raise a person to spiritual consciousness if we ourselves follow the rules and regulations. If we give up our own spiritual activities and simply become concerned with the bodily comforts of others, we will fall into a dangerous position.

Note – We should also note that many devotees raise cats and dogs and think they can elevate their pet to spiritual consciousness, which Prabhupada tells us here is “impossible”. They think their dog is chanting Hare Krsna when it – woof woofs or similar other such nonsense things. What they don't realize is they are taking a huge risk of becoming a dog or cat in their next life by misplacing affection - not for God - Krsna but for an animal.

PADA: Well sure, but one of the reasons so many devotees started to get pet dogs and cats, and fish and other animals -- is -- ISKCON disintegrated. And then many devotees went back to regular mundane jobs, and doing material things like watching football, Netflix etc. and of course -- accumulating pet animals. I understand how all that happens. 

Some of the biggest book distributors here left ISKCON and rented an apartment, and when I went there for some errand, they were all watching football and drinking beer. They asked me if I wanted a beer? Hee hee. 

So once devotees get out of a temple routine they tend to fall back to their previous life, and Srila Prabhupada said that: If we sell the New York temple the devotees will be scatterred and they will fall back to material things, which happened. 

SB 5.8.10 purport…Material conditions are already established by the superior administration according to one’s karma. They cannot be changed. The only benefit we can render to suffering beings is to try to raise them to spiritual consciousness. Material comforts cannot be increased or decreased. It is therefore said in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (1.5.18), tal labhyate duḥkhavad anyataḥ sukham: “As far as material happiness is concerned, that comes without effort, just as tribulations come without effort.” 

When one changes to spiritual consciousness, then the material atmosphere will change. Otherwise, one is stuck with his or her previous consciousness for that body. Srila Prabhupada is also severely warning us to be wary of doing philanthropic activities in the name of Vishnu Seva while forgetting our original intent-to please Lord Vishnu thru His bona fide representative, the spiritual master. If one serves Krsna prasadam but includes eggs in that meal, how is that pleasing to Lord Vishnu?

PADA: Right. Well many devotees have started assorted philanthropy activities / self help / new age yoga / psycho-babble / "empowerment" therapies / "bridge" preaching / and other assorted charities / to help people with more or less material things. Of course a number of them started to grow and sell marijuana and sell designer drugs etc. too. 

Personally, I see this more as an attempt at making a modes of goodness type business. Some of the food programs made by devotees have also had to compromise on the ingredients, because the funding is coming from the government etc. These governments are not saintly and that is always a problem. 

However! This is an attempt at dove tailing their business with a sort of devotional tinge. I don't think this is as bad as them just -- say for example -- becoming cigarette salesmen. I would rather see devotees giving food to the poor than have them -- OK driving a taxi in San Francisco which is what happened to me.

So I get it, they are sort of going back to the material world, but trying to make a softer footprint on doing bad karmic things. Yep, I personally drove a cab for years in the city, and so I sympathize with devotees who are making some sort of business with a lower karmic impact. It is sad, but me -- and them -- have had to do something to survive in the material world and I get that too. 

Srila Prabhupada said in the material world sometimes unfortunate women have to become prostitutes "by the tricks of fate." Of course they can still become Krishna devotees even in that state. In other words, I think we have to be careful not to judge devotees who have to make an income by some -- not so good -- means or other, or if they have pet cats and dogs and so on, they should just be encouraged to do the best they can in their circumstances. 

Thus, I personally don't ask devotees what their business occupation is, or if they have pets etc., because I already know they are struggling along with their situation, and we are too. At this point, we all have to make the best of a bad bargain. That being said, having a compromised job and keeping pets is not ideal, that is also true, but we cannot all do the ideal things in Kali Yuga. Meanwhile, if I took birth as an animal pet, I'd rather be a pet in the home of these devotees.   

ys pd 

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