Krishna West -- Cyril Wohrer / Radhanath vs Sulochana / ISKCON Children 12 31 25

 

 

Hrdayananda's Krishna West / Chandrashekhar (Cyril Wohrer) vs PADA

PADA: OK Hrdayananda makes a lot of noise about the reason ISKCON has deteriorated in the West as mainly, it is not accommodating the culture of the Western people. So we should make societal adjustments to facilitate them, starting with, not asking them to wear India clothes (like dhotis and saris). OK this is what Kirtanananda was saying in 1960s, we should wear Western clothes.

Except, if you ask the average ex-ISKCON senior devotee why they are not in ISKCON today, maybe 95% of them would say they cannot get along with ISKCON's imperious tyrant hokey gurus, like for example Hrdayananda. The GBC gurus are infamous for removing "dissenters" -- which ended up being nearly all of us. 

In some cases, all of us, because a number of ISKCON temples now have ZERO senior Srila Prabhupada devotees left residing in -- or even attending -- the temple. And more and more the ISKCON temples have a "management board" of mainly Hindus. OK people are rejecting the GBC authority, and therefore jettisoning their participation. And they advise their family and friends not to participate either, so they won't fall into the hands of the imperious milord tyrants. 

Many of the temples now are nearly completely empty during the week. Sometimes they have "big programs" like they had in Atlanta recently -- but by looking at the photos -- it seems there was maybe one Caucasian lady there, all the rest were Hindus. 

Most of these Hindu men at the Sunday temple congregation dress as Westerners and the ladies might wear saris. But for starters, Western people are not coming to ISKCON whether dressed in pants or dhotis, or whatever. They also would not come if the dress code was changed to jeans and mini skirts, they are gone. And as long at the current GBC policies remain, they will never come back, dress code is not even on their radar. 

But yeah! We need to adjust to the Western culture, and what is that culture? OK the Western people want to worship a pure devotee, like Jesus. Are they going to worship Hrdayananda's and Jayadvaita's -- illicit sex with men, women and maybe children / homosexual and pedophile messiah's project? Nope. Never going to happen. 

The Western people expect the highest standard for their guru. And they are not going to accept the lower class, if not the homosexuals, pedophiles, debauchees and drunks -- as their standard for guru. That will never happen in the West. So Hrdayananda wants us to adopt to the Western culture, but he is doing the exact opposite, he is creating a bogus swami, guru, avatar type system that prevails in INDIA. The Western people are not interested in that process. They want an actual pure devotee guru, or none at all. 

Of course as soon as the Hrdayananda program finds out a person wants to worship a pure devotee, that person can be banned, beaten, sued, and maybe -- killed. As has happened. And the GBC crew says "we do not want to have Srila Prabhupada as the guru -- and then be like the bogus Christian ritviks." 

OK so they do not want the Western standard for guru worship, which is -- to worship a pure devotee. But we are allowed to worship their illicit sex with men, women and children and / or homosexual pedophile / drunks and drug addicts messiah's club program, that is allowed. So they are fighting against opening things up to the Western culture standard, and keeping the bogus God men of India standard, which is an insult to the bogus God men because homosexuals and pedophiles are lower than even them. 

I was just talking to a devotee the other day that worshiping lusty dogs and intoxicated fools is basically worse than the modes of tamasa guna ignorance. The people in the modes of ignorance, or mleccha dharma, still worship Jesus, Mohammed or some sort of actually saintly person. 

The tamasa people would never worship a debauchee and / or pedophile guru system. Sulochana said that a dog will never ban, beat, molest, sue or kill a Vaishnavas. Indeed a dog is friendly with Vaishnavas. Therefore a dog is more advanced than their guru program which harms Vaishnavas. He said -- a child is safe in the dog society, but not safe in theirs. Sulochana said, that proves they are not advanced enough to worship a dog. 

So when people are not advanced enough to worship a dog, they will never jump start a religion in the West. Because mleccha dharma is vastly superior to worshiping debauchees and pedophiles. As for the children still being in the society, some of them told me that the karmis treat their dogs better than we were treated. OK so the Hrdayananda society treats children badly, then wonders why the children left ISKCON. 

Many of the children want to sue or expose ISKCON as a pedophile loving cult. And that is also why we are helping another Delhi case against the ISKCON GBC. Hrdayananda was giving me the stink eye when we were in Los Angeles helping the victims suing his program for $400,000,000. Then after that -- the Jayapataka people jumped on my case and complained that I have cost the GBC $100,000,000 in legal. But there was not enough money for kids shoes, soap, clothes, blankets, never mind proper teachers. And now there are no funds for a CPO, but another $20,000,000 laying around to start another Bangalore lawsuit.

Sorry, no one cares if Hrdayananda wears a dhoti or hawaiian shorts, they do not accept his authority. And they believe he has been part of the process of having us Vaishnavas banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed. And that is why almost no one wants to participate in his process, and they never will. 

Trying to say that the whole problem is, wearing different clothes, when people are being systematically banned, beaten, sued and killed, is ignoring the real issue. And that just infuriates the victims all the more, and they tell me -- no one cared about us then -- or now. 

Arguing about what shirt to wear is making the victims realize, they don't care now and never did. Until that perception is changed, people are not coming, neither they should. This Cyril Wohrer guy once told me he does not know who I am and has no interest in what I am saying. Well duh, I am saying it is a hazard to children to support the Hrdayananda process. And we all know what happens when no one cares to hear that. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

RADHANNATHA AND SULOCHANA's MURDER (Henry Doktorski research)

One of the conspirators in the 1986 plot to assassinate the dissident Hare Krishna devotee Sulochan dasa (Steven Bryant), has just today provided very important information which was not known to me until now.

We all know, from newspaper articles, trial transcripts, and even the New Vrindaban publication "Brijabasi Spirit," that law enforcement found Bhaktipada's fingerprints on the $4000 in cash Tirtha (Thomas Drescher) carried on him when he was arrested by Kent Ohio police on March 27, 1986.

This cash was given to Bhaktipada a few days earlier in a brown paper bag by Dharmatma (Dennis Gorrick), the director of New Vrindaban sankirtan fundraising, who often had large amounts of cash in his safe. Dharmatma claims that Radhanath Swami sat in the passenger seat of Bhaktipada's vehicle when Bhaktipada came to Dharmatma's Sankirtan House to pick up money.

What we did not know was that Radhanath's fingerprints were also found on the cash. So that means both Bhaktipada AND Radhanath Swami counted the currency. This implicates Radhanath Swami without question in the murder of Sulochan.

Why was this information about Radhanath's fingerprints on the bills not mentioned by the prosecutors? Because they were focused only on putting Bhaktipada in prison. They were out to get The Swami (the head swami). They didn't care about the others involved in the plot.

What the prosecutors may not have known, was that Bhaktipada DID NOT order the murder of Sulochan. Radhanath Swami ordered the murder. Radhanath was very, very lucky. He got away scot free, and it was Tirtha and Tapahpunja who had to go to prison for the murder. Bhaktipada was never convicted of participating in the murder. There was no evidence. (Except for Tirtha's made-up story which he invented for the August 1994 Grand Jury, 8 years after the murder.)

Krishna Katha, a disciple of Ramesvara Swami, who assisted Tirtha in tracking and hunting Sulochan in Los Angeles prior to Sulochan's murder, in a comment on my Facebook page, claimed: "[When I was questioned regarding the murder of Sulochan] The detectives in Los Angeles told me that Radhanath's fingerprints were found on the money carried by Tirtha when they arrested Tirtha . . . [when he was] about . . . to flee the country. jus sayin'."

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ISKCON CHILDREN

DD: Iam currently participating in a study of New Religious Movements - responding to hundreds of questions (and likely spending as many as 50-60 hours of written responses). Here's my response to the question: "Does the movement have minors?"

Are there minors in this religious movement?

Yes

Notes: Married devotees have been raising children to observe the teachings of Krishna consciousness since the inception of the Western movement in the late 60s. The founder spoke of the successful raising of children to lead productive lives in Krishna consciousness as the movement's "most important responsibilities."

The movement however does not have a good track record of satisfying such expectations and raising children well to take up the faith lifelong. The founder envisioned the need for providing a Krishna conscious education and referred to secular schools as "slaughterhouses" - i.e. encouraging faithlessness due to the prevalence of atheistic mindsets and also corrupting "association for the children". He introduced an iteration of a traditional system of education known as "gurukula" - boarding schools where children would receive schooling in the scriptural teachings. 

Insufficient stock was placed in providing a sufficiently robust academic education such that graduates might easily find employment and integrate into society. It was perhaps presumed that the children would be gainfully employed within the movement as priests - which has not turned out to be a realistic expectation. And, as such, many graduates have found themselves poorly equipped to integrate into society and find reasonable employment. Added to this, there was considerable naivete about the needs for safeguards and many children - particularly in the boarding schools - either faced harsh and cruel and excessive punishments from under-qualified and unsuitable teachers (corporal punishment, etc) as well as sexual abuse.

Some schools were notorious for such abuse - such as the Vrindavan and Mayapur gurukulas - with successive generations of children widely exposed to physical beatings and sexual abuse. This has resulted in many children growing up with disordered lives, deranged faith, lifelong trauma and all the attendant effects - addictions, broken marriages, inability to hold down a job and, in some cases, suicide.

There have been very significant class action lawsuits which created both bad press and financial trouble for the movement. The leadership of the movement established in 1998 its first Child Protection Office - which was initially well funded. But the leadership became more and more frustrated with the CPO when more and more leaders themselves (or their cronies) came under investigation and were found liable for abuse. Funding and support dried up. 

And, just last year, the GBC decided to terminate the CPO Director and establish a new regime - the Child Protection Oversight Committee - run by a former CPO Director who had been let go for incompetence prior but is known to "take direction" - by contrast with the previous CPO Director who was very comfortable speaking truth to power. Unsurprisingly, the new CPOC is starting to revisit old cases on the pretext of "procedural review" and is beginning to overturn verdicts. 

This level of moral confusion and corruption is a major cause of a rapid decline in trust in the Society's leadership which has been in steady decline since the departure of the founder and the guru falldowns of the early to mid 1980s.
Parents, in most instances, have naturally lost all trust in the Society's competence to run boarding schools - though one or two remain and are still regarded as high risk. 

Most children now go to the movement's day schools, regular secular schools or are home educated. Academic educations are improving with many schools following the state-based curriculum. Children are now less likely to be viewed as a botheration or a product of mundane attachment - attitudes which were commonplace (and not child friendly to say the least) in the early days of the movement. Nowadays they are much more likely to be raised in a loving home and supported and cared for by the community.

Temples may still lack many of the facilities and provisions that one might expect of public places in this day and age. I recall a mother pointing out that there is no "baby changing facility" anywhere. But many temples now have playgrounds and other designated children's areas - and "Sunday school" style arrangements. And also many children are somewhat free-range which is not an enitrely safe setting.
Children often grow up with some heavy expectations over their heads. "You have been lucky to take birth in a family of devotees, Why can't you be more serious about your commitment to chanting - and hearing the wonderful stories and philosophy? 

Why do you still engage in frivolous play? I hope you're going to be a lifelong devotee (implied: you will be a disappointment otherwise). Prabhupada predicted that you were supposed to be able to 'light the sacrificial fire simply by chanting mantras'...."

Young girls are often admonished to 'cover their heads' and not be 'unchaste' and 'not laugh too audibly' - and get blamed for 'agitating the minds of the monks.'
Immature monks often weaponise scriptural statements portraying family life and family attachments as 'maya' - unfavourable to spiritual practice.

Those now coming of age are much more likely now to gain a quality education (go to Uni), raise loving families, secure good jobs, etc as well as become successful ambassadors of the movement (particularly as kirtaniyas - celebrated kirtan performers).