ISKCON UK Simply "Facilitates" Their Pedophile Messiahs

We are only "facilitating" homosexual 

and pedophile

messiahs?

https://www.radha.name/news/general-news/iskcon-leader-explains-pedophile-messiahs-project

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/03/history-of-gbcs-praghosa-ireland-prithu.html

https://gbc.iskcon.org/praghosa-das/

Hare Krishna everyone.

Praghosa dasa, GBC member discusses Child Protection within Iskcon.

Podcast Takeaways #1:

Feat:
Damodara dasa.
Praghosa dasa.

(I will include a quote from Srila Prabhupada on GBC with each takeaway).

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“GBC men should not dictate very much, simply supervise and see that the standards are maintained.”

(Srila Prabhupada Letter, February 14th, 1972)./

DDD: A lot of people would see you’ve got all the powers, you’ve got all the reins, so whatever is happening with the society is down to you (the GBC). You’ve got the ability to drive it, you’ve got the ability to make things happen. I was just wondering if that is the practical experience or not?

PD: The conundrum from my perspective is he, (Srila Prabhupada ) used this phrase, or not just used it, it’s the first item in his Will, that the GBC is the Ultimate Managing Authority of Iskcon, of the Hare Krishna movement. But then, and there’s so many references, where Srila Prabhupada talks about a GBC can’t impose his opinion, or his views, or his authority for instance on the Temple President, as an example.

In one sense we’ve seen, and everybody does see I think that knows Iskcon reasonably well, does see the GBC as being in charge,... but actually they have very little power. It’s really a facilitating role. Trying to work with devotees, “yes, these are the standards we are meant to follow. This is the vision that Srila Prabhupada had, let’s all work together towards it.” 

But once you have somebody who chooses not to do that for whatever the reason may be, it’s not that the GBC can just issue a dictum and everything changes, it’s really not like that.

[PADA: OK so the ISKCON GBC votes in and then promotes pedophiles as their acharyas, and anyone who disagrees is viciously banned, if not beaten, sued -- or in some cases  -- assassinated. And all this is going on because the ISKCON leaders of UK are simply "facilitating" the worship of pedophiles as ISKCON's messiahs. 

We are only "facilitating" the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs, which is not actually the cause of this process. What? No, the people who orchestrate and facilitate meat packing plants -- are the efficient cause of the meat packing plants. 

Where does Krishna say we have to facilitate worship of illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs -- by ISKCON, or a GBC orchestrated process and / or dictums? As soon as I said Jayatirtha is a pedophile according to Srila Prabhupada's standards, I was booted out of ISKCON UK by GBC's dictums. Meanwhile Jayatirtha was being promoted as another Jesus who can absorb sins, but his head was chopped off later on because he was too sinful himself. 

The GBC wanted the children of ISKCON to worship the UK pedophile and other pedophiles as their messiahs, and they still do have pedophile messiahs now. And then Jayatirtha said to me "watch your back" (we might have you attacked or killed). So it is a violent pedophile worshiping cult, being either facilitated, or orchestrated, or what have you, this is all word salad that has no meaning to the victims.]  

Being the ultimate, of course ultimate as well can be misunderstood, not misunderstood, but people have different understandings of what that word means. But I think in the context of the reality of the GBC role, it doesn’t mean absolute, it means “has the last say” if you like. 

[PADA: Anyone who is orchestrating banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating others does have "the last say" -- direct or de facto. Hardly anyone can fight off such an odious cult process on their own effectively. Fortunately we have had "back up" from the police, FBI, media and courts -- otherwise we would not have been able to challenge them on our own ourselves. 

The ISKCON leaders have orchestrated a very violent pedophile worshiping cult, and they have had "the last say" on all matters related to this cult -- because they made the ENTIRE process the whole time with countless statements, decrees, lectures, position papers, edicts etc.]

But it certainly doesn’t mean absolute, and absolute power, and authority, that really doesn’t exist. Iskcon’s incorporated in many jurisdictions across the globe, and it’s the incorporation of Iskcon and the devotees, or the offices that have that legal authority to run that organisation, they’re the ones that actually have, quote-unquote, the power.

[PADA: Every single ISKCON temple has supported the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs / guru parampara as far as we know. If there are exceptions, we know of none. And dissenting people are often banned, removed, sued and threatened -- all over the planet -- as soon as they object to the GBC's anal reconstructive surgery epidemic for children guru worship process. We have to worship the orchestrators of their pedophile messiahs / anal sex epidemic program, or face severe repercussions -- including beatings, violence, lawsuits, death threats etc. The GBC has always had the power to either orchestrate this process, or not.] 

It’s not a GBC who just internally has the role of being the ultimate managing authority. They have that authority based on Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. But based on other aspects; legal, other kind of, um, yeah, other aspects, they don’t have that, they don’t have that.

[PADA: So people are being systematically banned, beaten, molested, sued and maybe assassinated by -- accident? How can all this be going on and the GBC has no power to change it, when the GBC are the orchestrators of these policies?]

It is a constant challenge actually. Obviously from some perspective you think, and certainly in certain circumstances you would think it would be great if you did have that, because it would make things more simple, you could make quick decisions etc, etc. But Srila Prabhupada didn’t give that kind of authority, and it really very much is a facilitation and a negotiation etc, and trying to work with people all the time.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada wanted to make sure there would be no worship of illicit sex, and subsequent banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and assassinations going on, clearly his policy is not being followed.]

DDD: So let’s turn to raising children in Krishna Consciousness. Clearly really a big strategic factor for our organisation. To what extent do you feel that there is a vision for what it means to grow up in Krishna Consciousness, to grow up in Iskcon?

PD: Without getting into the history of that (Damodara had cited Gurukula established in the 70’s) you can definitely argue, let’s put it this way, that’s been less than a successful model, and not least because there was too much imposition. Both imposition on children, and imposition in many respects on parents.

[PADA: The GBC imposes their worship of illicit sex with men, women and children and anal reconstructive surgery epidemic process on others, including the parents. The parents are not in the driver's seat of this process, they are victims of this process.]

They were the days actually, it’s interesting, they were the days when in one sense the GBC was no different to what we were just talking about earlier, about the powers that we have, but somehow or other, because it was even during Prabhupada’s time, and so close to Prabhupada’s time, that people did almost spontaneously agree to what their authorities were requesting them to do, even if they didn’t particularly like it. 

But anyway that all, as we say, came out in the wash later on and it was, it was too much of an imposition on some. It may have suited some, but for some it was too much of an imposition, on the children, on the parents, like that.

And we are all well aware of this, Iskcon and Iskcon leadership have been quite scarred by that history. Because that has been a very, very painful history that we’re all aware of, without necessarily getting into the details.

We all join the Hare Krishna Movement because we saw the futility of life and absorbing ourselves in sensory things. That’s why we joined the Hare Krishna Movement, this was the eternal answer to our problems, if you like, and the challenges we face in the material world. So obviously we want that same opportunity for the children.

[PADA: We wanted our children to worship deviants like homosexual pedophiles as their messiahs, and have ourselves banned, beaten, sued and killed for objecting to that odious worship process? No, this was all added ad hoc after 1978 by the GBC's of ISKCON including UK. They concocted this whole pedophile messiah's process for the children. And followers of the GBC's pedophile guru process are making threats of violence, threats of lawsuits etc. to our associated folks right now as we speak.] 

You mentioned the GBC being predominantly in the renounced order of life, and that’s true. Although there are more and more grhasta’s now, GBC members. I think off the top of my head I would say it’s roughly 2/3rds, 1/3rd, something like that.

But this is a challenge. Knowledge is one thing, realised knowledge is another thing. If you’ve known nothing but brahmacari life and the sannyasa life, I think for some that would be a real challenge to be able to have sufficient understanding, and sufficient empathy with both the grhasta ashram, and with children. I think that would be a challenge.

[PADA: The children were told (coerced) to worship the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children guru lineage all along, and they still are. The only changes that we see now are, they have added sex with cats to their guru parampara's activities. ys pd]