[Ex-ISKCON gurukula Child] -- R Dasi Writes

R Dasi  

Dear and most respected elders and peers, 

I was once upon a time quite excited about this group. I found the goal to be well intentioned, and hoped that the time spent here would be positive and focused on improved outcomes. 

I am a Krsna Kid. I was fortunate enough to be spared the horrors that many of my peers faced, at the hands of their own parents, of their gurukula teachers, at the hands of male and female members of our community, and at the hands of the Leadership. 

I was spared, and still I saw. I saw the withdrawn girls raped by their own fathers, the sisters and friends molested by 'upstanding' males in the community. I know more details than I would ever want to about the boys who were molested in the gurukulas and other places, both in India and Australia. 

I understand the agony of being a parent who has trusted authorities who have then behaved in ways damaging to children. I have my own children. We have fortunately not experienced any absolute misuse of power.  

However this blaming and shaming that is happening here is not helping. IT is not constructive, and it cannot be useful. If we engage our time, we should be engaged in things that are up-lifting. Calling out the past devious and demonic actions is giving energy to the wrong source. 

We should be educating parents how to protect their children. We should be drafting home, community and local temple protection policies. We should be engaging in education and re-education. 

[PADA: The GBC is currently telling ISKCON's little children to worship their illicit sex with men, women and children "guru chain from Krishna," which evidently also worships sex with cats in a samadhi. Telling little children to worship a pedophile guru lineage NOW is one form of current abuse going on NOW, never mind it is evidently illegally corrupting the morals of minors NOW. 

We cannot tell little children that God's successors are often debauchees, drunks, sexual predators, porno swamis, and / or pedophiles, and solve the problem. Preaching to little children that God's successors are often deviants means, God is a deviant, because His successors are deviants. That is what they are preaching NOW. The guru is shaksat hari, same in quality as God, and that is why the guru is a deviant or a pedophile. That is what they preach NOW! 

This is not the past problem, they are currently corrupting the morals of minors NOW. And the Narayan Maharaja people are teaching their children to worship the hand maiden of their pedophile guru program that bans, beats, sues, molests and kills vaishnavas NOW. NM was Tamal's hand maiden and these children are being told the vociferous "rasika advisors" and assistants of an anal sex epidemic program are God's successors too. And that is what the preach NOW. So all of this needs to be addressed NOW, or it won't be fixed NOW. We cannot get rid of the kingdom of Kamsa, without removing Kamsa and all his hand maiden associates.] 

The process of Krsna Conciousness, as Srila Prabhupada intended was / is not to engage in anger and aggression on the behalf of those who could not protect themselves. 

[PADA: Well if you see someone excessively beating up a child, you legally have to report that to the police, or you are guilty of aiding and abetting. That is the law of the karmis even. It is your duty as a human being to check child abuse, whether the victims are asking for help or not. 

The victims asking for help or not asking for help -- has nothing to do with our duty as adult human beings. And if the adults do not act with anger and aggression towards pedophile guru cults, that enables the pedophile guru cults, as it has in ISKCON. It is our duty to act with anger and aggression when people harm brahmanas, women, children, cows etc. We have to protect the vulnerable, or at least attempt, or be implicated in the regime that is harming the vulnerable.]

If we focus on trying to remove the weeds that exist instead of strengthening the nourishing plants and flowers, we are fighting a loosing battle. 

[PADA: We are nourishing people. Many people are joining us in agreeing to challenge the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children guru process. Even several karmi writers want to help, and we are helping them write books on this issue currently. Checking child abuse is not a losing battle, it is the duty of any moral and sane adult to conduct that battle. How can we strengthen the plants, while the plants are worshiping illicit sex with men, women and children as their gurus?]

I recognise that I am junior to most if not all of you here. And yet, this topic, this topic I know intimately. The biggest danger to our young, is NOT the pedophiles and creeps within the community. It is the lack of support afterwards and the anger towards KRSNA and the Vaisnavas that victims and their families often feel. 

[PADA: They are angry in part because -- they have to see the same pedophile infrastructure leaders strutting around like nothing is wrong.]

THIS aspect is the demon we should be fighting. 

[PADA: We cannot fight something intangible and abstract like "an aspect," we have to name names and identify the perps and their enablers, and identify their regime. The asura class are not some abstract "aspect," they are actual people -- as is their system of enabling abuse. This has been the conscious creation of actual people with actual names, i.e. the leaders and their hand maidens like Narayan Maharaja.]

Victims have no method of dealing with the feelings.. Inherent victim blaming due to the nature of Karma. 

[PADA: The victims need us to help them identify that they have been attacked by demons, to validate their feelings. This whole "it is your karma" argument was devised by the GBC ilk and their hand maidens like Narayan Maharaja, and simply re-victimizes the victims. How do you propose we address this, without naming the names of the people who have made this infrastructure, and who are currently telling children to worship a pedophile like Lokanath, and to worship the entire infrastructure that creates one Lokanath imbroglio after another?] 

Srila Prabhupadas teachings on how the victims should introspect are in this day an age akin to victim blaming. This is not a critique on him or his teachings. BUT if we keep trying to bring down the creeps, we are playing an endless game of Wack a Mole. This world is perverted.. there is no escape from that, except for under the protection of chanting the Holy name. 

[PADA: Umm, nope. We have to identify the perps, the leaders, and their infrastructure system. And we have to name names, and help expose the corruption. Exposing child molesting guru cults is not useless. Tens of thousands of people are currently reading our exposes, and we are saving tens of thousands of children from being tossed into their wood chipper thereby.  

Allowing more children to be tossed into their wood chipper is not a good option. And even if we do not fix the problem, it is still our duty to go to war against evil, even if we win or lose technically. That is the entire teaching of Krishna in the Gita, fight evil, or go down in history as compromised with evil. And thus go to hell with the evil we enabled. Win or lose is not the issue, we have to fight whether we win or not, or go down to a bad situation with the Kauravas and other exploiters.]

So many of us Krsna Kids develop a severe bitter aversion to chanting, because we associate it with the terrible things we endured or witnessed. Character assassination of creeps and their supporters DOES nothing good for the victims.

[PADA: Yes, but even if we cannot save the first wave of previous victims, we have to save others from being the next wave of victims.]

IT is a pure waste of time and energy. Connecting with victims, engaging in supportive activities. Finding ways to make Chanting tolerable at all... 

[PADA: Who wants to go to a temple to chant the glories of the members of a pedophile guru process, and see them sitting in big seats?]

I still struggle with this and I was never touched by anyone. And yet, in my heart... there is this resentment and bitterness towards the creeps.. That bitterness prevents me from experiencing the sweetness of the holy names.

[PADA: Right, well if you are bitter, that means we should save another wave of children from also being victimized and then -- being bitter. If we had purchased a bad product that hurt our child, like a bad child car seat, we should expose the bad product -- to save other's kids from getting hurt. We might be bitter towards the company anyway, but that does not mean we should stop trying to save others. If rape victims do not report their rape, then others are going to be victims of the same process.]

I have spoken to countless kids who were abused. 

There are 3 categories.. 

1) Those who continue with Krsna Conciousness

2) Those who feel totally displaced outside of KC and yet see temples, devotees and our practices and feel threatened. 

3) Those who reflect on their time in this process and consider that they were saved from an abusive cult. 

[PADA: And some who hate Krishna and they eat hamburgers, and I know these types personally. Again, it is our duty to object, and not help make another wave of these types of victims.]

There are some who sway between these three, but by and large...  The Krsna youth.. The Vaikuntha Children as Srila Prabhupada called them.. They are in one of these three groups. 

Every member in this group has an opportunity to contribute in a way that is harmonious, cohesive, uplifting, healing, supportive and as such a service to the movement, the victims and the community. But each of us must recalibrate our compass to focus on the goal, regularly. What is our goal?? 

Protecting the weak in the society from the exploitation of those who exploit. Can this be done by smashing down all those who exploit?? 

[PADA: If the baby seat was defective and hurt or killed our kid, is there any good way to stop another victim, without exposing the bogus car seat company? Nope. There is not any other option, we have to expose the bogus product, or we are implicated in enabling another child to get hurt.]

NO.. There is hope if we give shelter, strength, encouragement and guidance to the weak. Yours in the service of the unprotected and unsheltered, Yours in the service of the naive and well intentioned. Yours in the service of Sri Hari, Guru and the Vaisnavas.

R dasi

[PADA: Allowing an abuse infrastructure to continue has been the problem all along. This should have been dismantled decades ago. Better late than never. Sorry, you have not really explained why allowing an illicit sex with men, women and children guru program to continue without our objecting is a good option, for anyone involved, past, present, or future. 

ys pd] 

VD: GBC Gurus and the fake Iskcon should be dismantled. The leadership is composed of the same fake leaders that sat idly while the abuse was been perpetrated. How will you expect any progress in re-establishing order.

CK: The Lord of our hearts will dismantle all the fakery, He likes to work through us too let's be instrument's for transformation

CHD: I agree but that is not going to happen for a long long time..

PADA: The child abuse regime needs to be addressed so there will not be further victims. And the corrupt "GBC Justices committee" system they employed to make their molesting webs, nests and infrastructure continue -- needs to be dismantled. The people who created, supported and enabled that infrastructure have to be held to account. And moreover, people need to establish what is proper behavior for a guru and what is not. Or nothing substantial changes. ys pd