ISKCON India Bureau Fights "Western Mleccha GBC Gurus"?

[PADA: More trouble is brewing between the anti-female diksha guru party of Basu Ghosh / Bhakti Vikas swami and their "India bureau" -- vs the pro-female diksha guru party of the Anuttama / Brahmatirtha / Krishna Westernized "ISKCON GBC." A reliable spy in India says things are really deteriorating more and more as  a number of "India bodied" devotees are gradually saying the real reason we have this "female diksha guru" problem, and a host of other problems, is that the WESTERN MLECCHA born devotees and their GBC gurus have no perspective on India culture. One of our other spies also told us some time ago that Gaura Govinda maharaja would sometimes speak about the trouble with the Western mleccha ISKCON GBC gurus in private conversations.

So there is a sort of movement that seems to be growing -- that is seeing the "Western devotees" and their Western GBC gurus as the cause of all the mayhem in ISKCON -- and therefore we should rely more on the India born folks to get things back on track, and jettison these Western folks as authority. 

OK maybe, but India is chocker block full of bogus gurus including some who acted as "advisors" to the GBC's "mleccha" guru process in the first place. Never mind we can find people there making a deity of Donald Trump and so many other crazy things going on over there in India. 

So our spy predicts that ISKCON will not only split more into major schisms on the Female Diksha Guru (FDG) issue, but it will start to fragment into racially biased camps. We already had a former associate of the ISKCON India Bureau lecture PADA editor on the failures of the "Western Mleccha Devotees." So our spy sees ISKCON dividing into more and more divisions on these racial vision points, and once the race card is unleashed, it may be impossible to put that genie back into the bottle. 

Meanwhile Basu Ghosh is saying the entire GBC guru program is making a big mistake by authorizing female gurus, so he is saying what we have said all along, these gurus are speaking without shastra authority. Anyway, our spy is on to something, ISKCON is drifting more and more into a "Hindu bodied program" and the Westerners are more and more viewed as trouble making interlopers into Vedic culture. Our spy thinks this will be the final nail in ISKCON's coffin, it will gradually be divided into racial biased camps and that will cause further disintegration and failure. 

Perhaps he is right? At the same time, wait a minute, wasn't it us Western mleccha folks who originally opposed the false GBC guru process? And we got little to no help from the India bureau types, and a number of India folks went along with the GBC false gurus? If we start to divide issues on racial platforms, that will be a disaster, we need everyone to come together to solve this mess in united fashion.      

Text PAMHO:31901908 (118 lines) From: Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN) 

Date: 31-Jan-20 10:23 +0530 Reference: Text PAMHO:31901195 by MM To: MM [107903] (received: 31-Jan-20 05:56 +0100), krishnakirti@gmail.com (sent: 31-Jan-20 05:55 +0100), damodara.bvks@gmail.com (sent: 31-Jan-20 05:55 +0100) Cc: Anuttama (das) ACBSP (IC N.America) [204555] (forwarded: 31-Jan-20 06:00 +0100), Urmila (dd) ACBSP (Padma Education) [61370] 

(forwarded: 31-Jan-20 06:00 +0100), "AD" <ad@iskcon.org> (sent: 31-Jan-20 05:55 +0100), pancharatna@gmail.com (sent: 31-Jan-20 05:55 +0100), nrsimhananda@gmail.com (sent: 31-Jan-20 05:55 +0100) 

Bcc: ICC (Indian Continental Committee) [9241] 

Subject: Response from Madana-mohan dasa 

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Home Base: ISKCON Baroda Camp: 

Dear Madan Mohan Prabhu, and other receivers of this. 

Namonamaha. Jaya Srila Prabhupada! 

Received your message, copied herein below. Admittedly, I have not gone through the attached document. What I understand is that it is quite long - now I see that it is 184 pages, and I will need some time to study and consider it's points. What I wish to respond to is this: 

However, since you sought to extend your debate on the topic of Vaisnava-diksa-gurus to many ISKCON constituencies and fora, and in the process, directly or indirectly, you called into question the competence of the entire GBC and its individual members, of the entire Sastric Advisory Council and its individual members, as well as of the SABHA, I feel obliged to add the senior 

devotees who represent those constituencies as recipients of this message For the record: The ISKCON India Governing Council (Bureau) passed the following parts of a resolution calling on the GBC to rescind their authorization of female diksha gurus passed at Tirupati during October 2019. 

Parts of the resolution are: 

a. The Bureau hereby expresses its strong opposition to the GBC resolution on female diksha gurus, passed during their 2019 meeting, at Tirupati. If you wish, this too can be interpreted as "calling into question the competence of the entire GBC". 

This too: b. The Bureau calls on the GBC body to rescind the resolution on female diksha gurus during its 2020 AGM, and, as requested by the Bureau in February 2019, to enter into a dialogue on the issue with us, to come to a mutually agreeable solution on the basis of guru, sadhu, and shastra, c. Further, the Bureau calls on the GBC body to reconstitute the Shastric Advisory Council (SAC), in consultation with the Bureau, as it appears that the conclusions of 

the SAC papers of 2005 and 2013 on the topic of female diksha gurus, which informed the GBC's resolution, are incorrect. 

In the circumstances, I think that there is no need whatsoever for Krishna Kirti Prabhu or Damodar Prabhu to dialogue with the Sabha or the SAC, but they may represent the Bureau - since Anuttama Prabhu witnessed their presentations to the ICC and the IIAC at Ahmedabad two months ago - directly to the GBC body at Mayapur, where I understand further discussion on this topic will be held during the GBC plenary, starting February 11, 2020. 

Thanks for your understanding here. 

Hope this meets you well. dasanudas, Basu Ghosh Das [in case you may not be aware, "Vice Chairman" ISKCON India Governing Council (Bureau), and member, Mayapur Executive Board] 

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Madana Mohan Das:

Dear Damodara Prabhu and Krsna-kirti Prabhu, I feel obliged to add the senior devotees who represent those constituencies as recipients of this message: 

* Anuttama Prabhu as a GBC member who represented the GBC at the Indian 

Bureau in November 2019; 

* Urmila Devi as the chair of the SAC; 

* Nrsimhananda Prabhu, as the chair of the SABHA; and 

* Pancaratra Prabhu who, as I understand, was one of the organizers of the  discussion thread in February-March 2019. 

I also added Basu Ghosh Prabhu as one of the most senior, respected and vocal participants of the VDG discussion. And while, again, the text was meant as my personal response to you, if these senior devotees see any merit in my humble attempt to defend the bodies they represent and the decisions they made on those bodies in regard to VDG, they are welcome to use the text as they see fit.  I would like to restate that I still prefer to discuss the topic with you in person in an amicable and constructive atmosphere rather than in a public email forum that is prone to unwarranted hostilities. 

[PADA: There is the major problem right there. We wanted to openly discuss the problems and the leaders said we need to discuss in private, ok they wanted to cover up the problems. They never write me a private message to ask about anything, its a hoax.] 

Should you share my willingness, I will look forward to meeting you at the next opportunity. Please forgive me if anything I wrote in the document will cause you any personal insult. That was not my intention. The document is also available at this link: > 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LxiVjTxCVLX8qSQybXoBjxPo_DEcqgOJVHxwsj > Zu_wU > > 

Thank you. Your servant, Madana-mohan dasa (Text PAMHO:31901908) --------------------------------------

His Grace Sriman Sankarshan Das Adhikari speaks on Female Diksha Gurus

BY: SANKARSHAN DAS ADHIKARI
ON: JANUARY 22, 2020
IN: FEMALE DIKSHA GURUS ( FDG )
WITH: 2 COMMENTS

My Dear Basu Ghosh Prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Here is a video where His Holiness Tamal Krishna Goswami recalls how much Srila Prabhupada glorified Yamuna devi, but stated “If she weren’t a woman I would make her a GBC.” My wife recalls when some of our ladies were pushing to get ladies on the GBC how they were threatening the GBC that they would go to the media if the GBC did not allow women GBCs. And now they want to take it step further with lady gurus even though Srila Prabhupada has written very clearly in his purport to SB 4.12.32:

“Suniti, however, being a woman, and specifically his mother, could not become Dhruva Maharaja’s diksa-guru.”

Here’s the video of TKG: