PADA: Gaura Govinda Maharaja says the conditioned souls (nitya badas) are already badha at their origin, and worse GGM says the badha souls started in worse than hell (in brahmajyoti). OK he is basically following the Vatican -- which also says God selects some children to be with Him and some not with Him, God is biased. Nope, God is equal justice, in fact even mundane people try to be equal justice with their children.
A pure devotee does not desire ekatva, oneness with the Supreme Lord, as desired by the impersonalists.
Its very simple really. The Gaudiya Matha folks supported the idea that we do not fall from Vaikuntha, and they also supported false gurus who have been falling down left, right and center. And they also supported the GBCs false gurus -- and their program had to be sued for child molesting. And all along when we objected to the GBC's guru process then people like the Sridhara Maharaja, Gaura Govinda Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja camps etc. said we are offenders, apa-siddhanta, we do not know the shastra, we are making things up, etc.
A pure devotee does not desire ekatva, oneness with the Supreme Lord, as desired by the impersonalists.
SB 3.29.13, Purport: A pure devotee does not desire ekatva, oneness with the Supreme Lord, as desired by the impersonalists, the mental speculators and the meditators. To become one with the Supreme Lord is beyond the dream of a pure devotee. Sometimes he may accept promotion to the Vaikuṇṭha planets to serve the Lord there, but he will never accept merging into the Brahman effulgence, which he considers worse than hellish.
Such ekatva, or merging into the effulgence of the Supreme Lord, is called kaivalya, but the happiness derived from kaivalya is considered by the pure devotee to be hellish. The devotee is so fond of rendering service to the Supreme Lord that the five kinds of liberation are not important to him. If one is engaged in pure transcendental loving service to the Lord, it is understood that he has already achieved the five kinds of liberation.
PADA: God starts off some of His children in brahmajyoti -- worse than hell. That is GGM's idea. GGM has no idea that God would be equal, of course because he follows Vatican jeeva tattva. The Vatican also teaches that God starts some souls with Him in heaven, and some of us (less fortunates) are not started with Him in heaven. Of course GGM teaches that God places some of His children in a place that is worse than hell.
PADA: God starts off some of His children in brahmajyoti -- worse than hell. That is GGM's idea. GGM has no idea that God would be equal, of course because he follows Vatican jeeva tattva. The Vatican also teaches that God starts some souls with Him in heaven, and some of us (less fortunates) are not started with Him in heaven. Of course GGM teaches that God places some of His children in a place that is worse than hell.
Its very simple really. The Gaudiya Matha folks supported the idea that we do not fall from Vaikuntha, and they also supported false gurus who have been falling down left, right and center. And they also supported the GBCs false gurus -- and their program had to be sued for child molesting. And all along when we objected to the GBC's guru process then people like the Sridhara Maharaja, Gaura Govinda Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja camps etc. said we are offenders, apa-siddhanta, we do not know the shastra, we are making things up, etc.
And as soon as we said there is a child molesting program, then their camps said this is Vaishnava aparadha against senior people who are "more advanced than you." These guys already deleted me? That is why their program had to be sued in court for $400,000,000? They did not listen to my objections?
As soon as I said sex with taxi drivers is not acharya, they said this is Vaishnava aparadha against my seniors. So as soon as someone says, sex with taxi drivers is not acharya, that is Vaishnava aparadah, ok never mind then the victims had to take it to the court in Dallas and the court figured out that this is all dangerous deviations. The only good news is, I objected to all this and that means I will not be implicated in acquiescing or supporting as many others will be. ys pd
So this is all connected, the same people who said the souls do not originate with Krishna are the same people who endorsed bogus gurus in 1936 and later enabled the GBC gurus after 1977. And all of this is because they are tinged with mayavada. Srila Prabhupada is right on. These guys were attacking me the whole time I said there is a crisis with the children etc. They enabled that process, and they said it was all lullabies and offensive statements against the seniors. Yes, Srila Prabhupada wanted me to know what these people really stand for so I knew what I was up against. ys pd
ReplyDeleteSo there is no quote where Srila Prabhupada or Krishna saying that Krishna tosses some souls into the hell of brahmajyoti at their original state? And there is no quote that gurus are voted in by deviants? If they have found none since 1980s. you won't find any either. These are made up mayavada speculations.
ReplyDeleteYes, brahmajyoti people have to come here, to the hell of material existence, that is what GGM is saying, God is placing His children into the hell brahmajyoti and thus the material world, they have to fall here. I am glad you found a quote to support that he is saying that God is placing the children of God into hell. Good progress! Yes, God places the children in brahmajyoti, then they have to come here, so whole idea is that God is placing them into hell. Glad you verified that! ys pd
Dear PADA It is more and more evident what one former prominent Prabhupada disciple recently said. From begin there was a clique who always conspired to take the control of ISKCON away from Prabhupada. These are folks related to a secret freemason lodge who are familiar with occultism, astrology, mind control, untraceable poison weapons, black magic, mysterious murder.
ReplyDeletePrabhupada mentions this as "the great sinister movement within our movement". These folks are not into friendship, they simply want to control people and do not want to confront demonic governments run by their comrades. Preaching to uplift suffering humanity is now dead. Prabhupada could control them with the help of the devotee congregations. But this changed when thousands of hard-working Prabhupada disciples were forced to leave. Now it is all about to relocate ISKCON back to India, turn Western temples into tourist locations and run the movement as a lasting profit-oriented global org aka Hindu culture.
[PADA: Yup. And Gaura Govinda maharaja personally told me he has to cooperate, tolerate and work with them. ys pd]