DUSYANTA DASA: Hare Krsna. Yes I think the main point that you overlooked was the RELATIONSHIP with the Diksa Guru is different than the relationship with the Shiksa Guru. The Shiksa and Diksa Guru function in the same way but have different dealings with the disciples.
[PD: Correct, the diksha guru provide pure divyam jnanam and he destroys / absorbs sins like Jesus, the shiksha guru may be a kanistha and he thus cannot perform these functions.]
DD: The ritviks pretend to have a Diksa relationship with Srila Prabhupada after He has disappeared where as Srila Prabhupada has instructed to serve His vani after he has disappeared, its an eternal constant.
[PD: No, the ritviks have an actual relation with Srila Prabhupada. How does Dusyanta know all these thousands of ritviks in Russia, China, Malaysia and so on, are pretenders? And if the ritivks are all pretenders, then who are the real followers of guru? And who is that guru? Dusyanta does not mention: Where the real process is being followed; Who is the real guru; What process is he himself following? Who does he worship as the guru, and who does he promote to others as the guru? He simply tells us, we ritviks have no guru to promote, ok, so who is the guru then?]
DD: So if you did not serve Srila Prabhupada’s vapuh how can you have a Diksa relationship????
[PD: Because you are still getting the divyam jnanam which destroys sins through his vani.]
DD: Diksa is a personal relationship with a Diksa Guru not with a Book.
[PD: So who is the guru YOU CLAIM is giving the personal relationship with people now? Is it Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, or the Pirate's ghosts on pier 13? And notice that Dusyanta, Locanananda, Rocana, George A Smith et al., they never give us the actual name of their alleged guru that they are all promoting? So they worship -- zero, and / or promote worship of zero?]
DD: The relationship with Lord Krsna in His Bhagavad-Gita form is Shiksa Guru not Diksa Guru.
[PD: Lord Krishna is not giving us "divyam jnanam NOW AND TODAY which destroys sins" (aka diksha) by speaking the Bhagavad Gita? This is total atheist idea.]
DD: So after Srila Prabhupada disappeared He is only available in His Vani form, His Book form as Shiksa Guru. You dont have a Diksa Guru relationship after the disappearance.
[PD: The divyam jnanam which destroys sins has stopped, says who? Where does Srila Prabhupada say that Lord Krishna's divyam jnanam in the Bhagavad Gita has stopped because Krishna's apparent manifest body is not appearing to us in a physical form? This is atheist idea, the Lord is dead because His physical form does not appear to us. Total atheism.]
DD: All you all did was to quote what the PROCESS of Diksa is-no problem.
[PD: And you are not identifying your source of diksha? You are promoting nothing-ness as your source of diksha, this is atheism.]
DD: But what about your Diksa relationship serving Vapuh. When you serve Vani its Shiksa relationship. You have mixed up the types of relationships with the different Gurus when they are in their vapuh and when they are in their Vani.
[PD: But you have no guru at all? You never tell us who it is? So you have no vapuh, no vani, no books, no temples, no devotees, nothing-ness. This is sunnyavada, you worship zero. Atheism.]
DD: Where does it say Shiksa Gurus dont take sins?
[PD: Srila Prabhupada told us we can ONLY act as shiksha gurus, therefore do not allow people to touch your feet and take their sins.]
DD: What is the point in being so judgemental and agressive, how is that a Vaisnava quality or are you just conditioned soul yourselves? Try to be more cool, better to have a cool head.
[PD: Well we are simply asking you why you never offer up the name of your guru, show us his books, show us his devotees, show us what process you follow, and all you ever give us is one big fat zero for all of the above? We are sorry, we do not worship zero. This is atheist idea. ys pd]