Malati "Making A Horror Show" (ISKCON) 05 14

krishna1008: Prithu Putra and Malati Dasi (Melanie Nagel)

krishna1008: ISKCON's Malati Implicates Herself in the Murder Conspiracy

MD: Here is some post I wrote 25 years ago about Malati dd. I hope Malati dd the GBC member has improved her attitude and behavior since then towards the young devotees under her. I don't like complaining or finding faults in other devotees, but things were really out of hand at this girl's ashram and many of the innocent young people there were really suffering. Malati dd brought many of her girls to Alachua over 25 years ago for some conference and some of them were in in so much distress and were complaining about their treatment and nightmarish experiences. I witnessed it firsthand when Malati dd came around the corner and would blast them severely for minor things.

TO CONTINUE

I found this old editorial I wrote 25 years ago. I was a bit rebellious and challenging to the GBC, but since there is absolutely no one on Facebook right now, I am going to print it and see how much trouble I can get in. Hardly anyone will see it anyway.

Fixing The Situation At Malati's Asrama

BY M DASA

EDITORIAL, Jun 29 1999 — My dear prabhu and respected vaisnavas . We are hearing so much about the situation at Malati's 'asrama' lately that gradually it is becoming clear that the situation there must be counter productive to anyone developing Krsna consciousness. One cannot develop the gentle qualities of a devotee by being subjected to an atmosphere of guilt, threats, and intimidation. 

PADA: 1999 is when we were in the middle of having the GBC sued for mass child molesting. That was not a good time to jump on board the GBC's management circle and start to tell people they had to worship the founder fathers of a mass molesting regime as their messiahs. That is cruelty to children right out of the gate, who tells children to worship a pedos and predators guru regime as their messiahs? 

OK very deviant and foolish people like Malati. And then she becomes a sort of abuser of people herself because she is associated with same. She wants people to worship cruelty to children, and she becomes what she worships. 

Sooner or later those who take shelter there will have a change of heart about wanting to be part of our movement and go away.

PADA: Of course that is a blessing, anyone who goes away won't have their children molested in Malati's "guru schools." I always recommend people save themselves and their children from these people. As one woman told me, I do not go to the temple because if I wanted to be depressed, I would watch a horror movie. 

Someone healthy and responsible had better step in there and take control before something goes wrong or someone goes over the edge. It is the responsibility of the GBC to take an aggressive and positive role in the actual development of our movement, but unfortunately sometimes we do not see any evidence of that. 

We need someone with some courage and leadership to actually open their eyes and see that something is wrong and that something practical needs to be done in a real-life situation. I don't mean for the GBC to start writing something we can't even understand that begins with... "Wherein we resolve...", But I mean to get up, get in their car and drive there and walk in the door and assess the situation and perhaps relieve Malati of her management position so that she can take a little rest.

We need leaders again that are actually part of our lives. Real people who care about the everyday lives of the devotees and are willing to throw away politics and roll up their sleeves and do something practical. Poor Malati must be miserable always struggling, trying to keep strict control and force everyone around her to do as they are told.

PADA: Yep, a lot of these "gurus" are suffering from fall downs, taking alcohol and / or psychotropics, very severe health and many other mental problems. They are miserable people as a group. So if we worship miserable people, we ourselves become miserable. And if we promote the worship of a pedo guru system, we might become contaminated with sympathy for that agenda. 

Contrasted to what is being described as an insane asylum would be an asrama for young, innocent girls where there is respect for others and encouragement and gentle guidance -- a place for spiritual nurturement and god-sisterhood--as they gradually purify their lives. A true leader knows how to enthuse others by their love, enthusiasm, encouragement, understanding, and most of all, kindness. 

PADA: Malati is promoting the GBC jack boot Gestapo that forces children to worship pedos, she thus becomes one of the Gestapo herself.

One naturally wants to emulate such leaders and follow them. But this forcing by intimidation or 'guilt tripping' and threats will lead nowhere. Maybe a 'leader' might reach some of their personal goals, but these young people that are coming to us and trusting us to help them become Krsna's servants are getting cheated. 

They are what all these buildings and books are all about. They are for the benefit of the unfortunate souls who seek out Srila Prabhupada to shelter them from the onslaught and ravages of material nature. They are not for our own material benefits!

It is quite likely that Malati is just not fit for the job. She is probably a very nice devotee but is in way over her head. There are many other ways that she can serve Krsna. We have a temple president here at Alachua who is also a woman named Nanda dd. She is a very qualified manager and knows how to get others to help her in so many endeavors. 

She does not threaten or yell. She encourages and sets a good example. Every day I see her alone cleaning out some closet in the temple, or sweeping the veranda, or washing all the pots by herself after the Sunday feast. 

PADA: Alachua is like the headquarters of the illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's club. Going there to help others worship their pedo's messiah's program is not going to fix anything. 

As soon as the Alachua's management group see the leaders of their favorite anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiahs club, they fall of their chairs and lick the jack boots of those people. There are people from Alachua who still argue with me that we need to worship their living pedos program, and they want me to help them make their Jimmy Savile's disciples into the new Jesus of the planet. They confuse anal sex epidemic programs with Vaikuntha, and that is one reason Malati is not able to improve herself, she is promoting them and that contaminates herself.  

Malati could come here and take a break in the country for a while and just do nothing but chant and relax for a while. After a few days she can gradually start serving Krsna doing some tasks. There are more closets to clean and if she would help Mother Nandaji with the pots on Sunday that would help her cleanse her heart.

Too much emphasis is given nowadays to position or political standing. Let the GBC wash the pots, and we will soon bridge some of the gaps. There is an art to leading devotees. And it is never too late for old dogs to learn new tricks I was there in Detroit in 1969 when a letter came to Bhagavan das from Srila Prabhupada where our gurudeva gave this simple formula for getting others to engage in devotional service. 

I am so grateful to have read this with my own eyes. It has turned out to be one of the major instructions that have formed my understanding of how this desire for Krsna consciousness activity can be instilled in others in a way that is far different from the 'just surrender prabhu,' regardless of whether you want to do it or not.

Srila Prabhupada wrote ''My dear Bhagavan, please accept my blessings. I am so glad to see that whenever someone comes to serve Krsna, you know the art of engaging them as they like to serve Krsna, not forcing them to do something that they do not like to do. No intelligent person will accept that process"
I remain the humble servant to the Vaisnavas, M dasa

MA Das: I really really like the letter. But I would have blacked out “her” name. For educational purposes, the letter is a worthwhile read; otherwise , why bring up something that happened 25 years ago?

PADA: Malati is still serving the anal sex epidemic messiah's club now, not 25 years ago. She was with them when we were having them sued, that means she knew there was rampant molesting going on.

MF: Yes, I think she has much improved. And I think 25 years ago and before then also were heavily institutionally influenced by overbearing management attitudes and negative reinforcement practices, which were obviously ineffective and also harmful. But such was the ethos which unfortunately got passed down from the other belligerent self-appointed "leaders" of the time! 

PADA: The same belligerent leaders are still in charge now? And they are bringing in their child abuser pals to Mayapur now, just as they did 25 years ago. And more reports of abuse from Mayapur are surfacing all the time. If anything, Mayapur is looking worse now than it ever did 25 years ago. Hundreds or even thousands of people are recently getting on board with the idea that Mayapur is a citadel of sin and not a holy place.

Yet, much has changed and improved since then, and we should focus more on the present positive empowerment of appreciation, compassionate understanding, forgiveness, and encouragement, rather than on any chronically critical and outdated perceptions of obsessing about what's in the rearview mirror! Hare Krishna

PADA: A wave of more reports of abuse are surfacing now, that means this is a current issue and not a rear view mirror issue.

DL: Sadhu sadhu. M prabhu, thank you for speaking my heart. When I first came to the movement, I was hoping for some loving, kindness and caring guidance from the senior ladies in our movement, perhaps imagining how Saci devi and Vishnupriya would care for and comfort each other once Mahaprabhu had left.

Imagine my shock when instead I got an icy cold-shoulder, instant chastisement and / or a series of barked commands. 

I'm not referring to Malati dd necessarily, as I haven't had much dealing with her. There are a few sweet ladies here and there. But, in general, it's a horror story. Please don't try to be gurus. Just try to be nice vaishanvis.

GG: Malati promotes a horror movie as gurus, and she becomes part of the horror movie herself, as one of the demons who is attacking others. She becomes what she associates with.

EB: Very fitting and profound Prabhuji. The sky will fall when GBC members will wash the biggest pots and dust the shoes of the congregation like in sikh temples where by millionaires wash the dishes, women with gold bangles scrubbing away, men washing big pots, children wiping the shoes of the congregation with their head scarf. There is no rich nor powerful nor superior nor president. All equal in the eyes of God engaged in service. It's time we send the GBC and so called sanyasis for training in sikh temples. I am saying this because I grew up in one as a child.

HN: Y'all really need some cows.

PADA: You cannot save cows and be a fool like Narayan Maharaja and promote pedo guru systems at the same time. You need to save the people first, and cows later. Malati ran off with Prithu Putra who was making some sort of Devil worship cult, and Malati was making Devilish illustrations for his publications. She told a woman that she was going to die from heroin overdose and that woman took her back to the ISKCON temple and brought her back in. 

She was unable to cope with the situation and she never should have been made any type of ISKCON leader. Prithu Putra was one of the original people who verified that Srila Prabhupada had made a poison complaint however, he knew a lot of things were going on, but he decided to just let ISKCON go down and he was not going to help rectify the situation. 

And that lead to his untimely departure. These people never understood what the Bhagavad Gita says, fight for justice, or you will go down in infamy and you will be impacted severely anyways. And they were. People with these types of mental imbalances should never be in charge of younger people either, people who cannot manage their own lives will not be able to manage others. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

Yep, these guys were living like Saudi Princes while the 

children were given rotten oatmeal to eat. 

Of course, Srila Prabhupada told us,

in India even a fool can advertise as an avatar,

and there will be many followers.

PADA: Decide what you want and write it down, I recommend a legal pad. OK that is like writing five hundred things down that I want. Oh yeah, what I want is to NOT write down the five hundred things that I want on a paper and "go for it," I want to know what Krishna wants, not what I want. What a bunch of hodge podge horse manure. And this is one of their messiahs? And what is the yellow braid garland? I give up. ys pd

Harming ISKCON Children is Vaishnava Aparaha (Y Dasi)

Y Dasi: In elevating the victims as devotees, let us take a step back and reconsider the concept of Vaishnava aparadh, and the fact that in the Kali Yuga, the bulk of us are aspiring Vaishnavas. Let’s keep in mind the times we are living in, and careful assessment of scriptures is necessary to aid us in our discrimination of who is a Vaishnava and who is a pure Vaishnava, and who does not have the favor of the Lord.

Regarding the phrase krsna krpa hoileo ("even though he may receive Krishna's mercy"), Srila Saraswati Thakur comments:

“People may think that because an offender appears to continue to chant without difficulty, the Lord must still favor him, but they are wrong. The Lord is not even slightly moved by their sham devotion.”

Srila Prabhupada writes:

“Even if one is a Vaishnava, if he commits offenses to the Holy Name, he becomes unfit to render pure devotion. Although it may appear that he is still being shown favor by the Lord as he continues to make a show of chanting without difficulty, the Lord is actually very displeased with him because of his antagonism toward devotees. Therefore, to give up nama-aparadha we must first give up sadhu-ninda or finding fault with devotees.”

Mahaprabhu also quotes Hari-bhakti-sudhodaya:

“A Brahmin's sins are burnt to ashes by the powerful fire of krsna-bhakti. Whereas if a Vedic scholar is an atheist, he is derided. Anyone devoid of devotion may take birth in a great family or nation, have extensive knowledge of the scriptures, perform austerities, or chant Vedic mantras, but such things are like ornaments on a dead body. Only fools will be impressed.”

Vrindavan Das says,

“In Kali-yuga, demons will be born in smarta Brahmin families to harass and torture the righteous devotees of the Lord. The demons choose Kali-yuga to be born in, so they can torment those rare persons who adhere to the path enunciated by the Vedas (sruti ). They viciously attempt to disrupt the devotee's service to the Supreme Lord.”

Srila Saraswati Prabhupada writes in his Anubhasya commentary:

“Although one who has completely renounced the world (akincana ) and one who is completely sheltered in Krishna (saranagatah ) may appear to be the same externally, the devotee who has given up the world has also offered his soul. At the time of initiation, the devotee gives up material conceptions while he begins to understand sambandha-jnana, one's eternal relationship with God and those who are part of the family of God. 

"When the devotee gives up the shelter of maya, he takes shelter of Krishna and is Krishnized. At this stage, the devotee's delusion as enjoyer of material pleasures dissipates, and his real self merges with his new identity as an eternal servant of Krishna. The devotee attains his spiritual body (sac cid ananda svarupa )and his eternal service to Krishna, serving him in his own transcendental form. The pure devotee's ecstatic service is an elevated stage of devotion which is often misinterpreted and misunderstood by those unacquainted with the science of devotion. For this kind of aparadha one is deprived of the shelter of a Vaishnava guru." (Anubhasya, Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya 4.193)

Finally,

“When people reject materialism and conduct their lives under my direction, they attain immortality. They become eligible to be with me and share spiritual emotions (rasa) with me in their spiritual identity." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 11.29.34)

PADA: Yep, some victims told me, "normal people treat their dogs way better than we were treated. The leaders did not value us as much as ordinary people value their dogs." I could not argue that point with them. I also do not believe "the leaders did know these things were going on." I believe I was targeted for pointing out these "things are going on," to try to silence me. 

And that is why when one big sannyasa saw me at Rathayatra, he said "Holy sh*t, you still walking around the planet? You should be six foot under by now." Yep, nice to see you too maharaja. I should be six foot under evidently, so they can exploit others without restriction. ys pd

Y Dasi: This issue is also that not everyone is supposed to be a leader, some leaders are not supposed to be in leadership positions so long, and leaders require training and a system of checks and balances. The leaders of this system tend to have zero training, and become autocrats. They also accept a mode of materialism, which does not give them an agency to be worshipped.

PADA: Yep, but even every ordinary mundane person knows that children need to be treated with kindness, have their basic material needs met, have proper teachers and not predator teachers, not have to be forced to worship predator deviants as their gurus, not to be beaten and molested, and so on. This is common knowledge known to any normal adult person anywhere on the planet, with zero training. 

I am not a trained person, but I would never dream of treating children in this manner, and neither would nearly cent percent of the adult population of the USA. The people mistreating children do not necessarily lack training, but they do lack basic human feelings and discrimination, and that is why some folks say they are narcissistic psychopaths, predator enablers etc. and they are not up to the standard of an ordinary moral human being. Even the media people told me, they do not worry about mistreating anyone, either Krishna's children or Krishna's adults, because, they are not Krishna's devotees. ys pd

Y Dasi: Prabhupada made us understand that they are Vaikuntha children, and yes I agree with you. If they are Vaikuntha children, Prabhupada even told us in Goloka there is no sex (or materialistic sex). So, sexual abuse is off limits on all fronts; because our aim is always to go back to Krsna, to Krsna’s planet, and this abuse doesn’t happen there. So, these so called teachers are merely entangling themselves in demonic behavior. They won’t go to Goloka, but to hellish planets.

YD Dasi: I think they have "training," let us in bring very coarse thugs and attack the Vaisnavas!

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PADA: Right, when I said there is an abuse problem, I got booted out of the society in 1979 by the gang of four gurus. "Sue us in court" they said. OK fine, so I had them sued for abuse in 1986 for $3,000,000, and later on sued after 1997 for $400,000,000. I also heled with documents for the Karnataka case, and helped the BBTI case. 

All told, disciples of Jayapataka wrote to me and complained I cost them $100,000,000 in legal fees. Then they said, why didn't you work this out internally? Because there is no such thing as them listening to me internally, this is self evident a myth. A society that has no internal system of checks and balances -- because there are a few policy makers at the top, making top down decisions and not listening to us minor league peons, is overly centralized. 

And also, will be bankrupted in short order for not paying attention to these issues, as happened. In other words, they wanted to spend $100,00,000 rather than listen to us. So that is the result of an overly centralized top down management system, it loses touch with the underclass -- to its peril. 

I worked for a Fortune 500 company that had every six months a huge meeting with all of us, including the janitors, asking for suggestions how things could be run better. So even a lower tier person like me could raise issues, because they understood that the underclass are their eyes and ears on the bottom levels, and all levels need to operate simultaneously. And sure enough, they would often appreciate our suggestions, and that is how actual management works normally. ys pd

And exactly who gets protected over there? 

Sivarama Swami Health Crisis / Vaishnava Aparadha 05 12

Request for prayers for HH Sivarama Swami’s well-being

Dear Devotees,

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda.

I would like to inform you about HH Śivarama Swami’s recent health issues.
Mahārāja has a chronic spinal problem that has matured over the last six months to the point where it is affecting his walking and requires surgery. Upon arrival to Hungary, he also had a second bout with Covid, and the Narasingha Caturdasi / Vyasa-puja weekend festival was, as usual, physically demanding. 

PADA: Yep, it is so exhausting making pretend I am another Vyasa, and I can absorb sins like Jesus. It is a big job being another Jesus, but hey, someone has to do it! 

Understandably, Mahārāja was exhausted, but on Tuesday he developed a pre-stroke condition with warning signs, the main symptoms being left-sided hyperesthesia, numbness in the whole body (paresthesia), loss of balance, hypersensitivity, loss of ability to concentrate and a severe headache. 

PADA: Oh no, another guru with severe headaches like Satsvarupa, Hansadutta etc. Hey maybe you were never qualified to absorb sins like Jesus, and the karma is catching up. Hansadutta and Satsvarupa were taking psychotropics for their headaches, but guess what, karma is not halted by doctors and pills you idiots! This begs the question, why are so many of their gurus suffering fall downs, serious ailments and premature deaths? 

His long-term neurologist has examined him very thoroughly and as it is possible that he has had a transient ischemic attack or mini-stroke (due to decreased blood flow to the brain resulting in sudden onset of neurologic symptoms) tomorrow he will have a safety brain MRI / MRA scan.

PADA: And when these gurus fall down or fall ill, then sometimes the followers say -- we need to pray for guru maharaja, who is suffering greatly from taking our sins. No, he was not supposed to advertise that he can take your sins in the first place. 

A mini-stroke is -- often as not -- a sign a major stroke is coming along soon. Jayapataka also had a stroke. Even Bhakti Swarupa Damodar was said to have had a stroke, partial paralysis etc. These are signs that you guys cannot absorb karma, among other things. 

Currently, Mahārāja is staying in the Budapest temple, and despite these medical challenges he remains in good spirits although he is very tired and rests a lot. When he has finished his rounds he works on Vilāpa-kusumāñjali, editing his Introduction to Volume 2 and his commentary to Verse 46. 

As soon as there are new developments or information, we shall send an update, and in the meantime, we humbly request the Vaisnavas’ prayers for Mahārāja’s well-being. On behalf of the SRS Health support team,

your servant,

Mañjarī Devī Dāsī

PADA: Sorry but Sivarama's whole adult life has been dedicated to establishing his bogus program of worship of their illicit sex with men, women and children acharyas. And when people do not accept their bogus acharyas, they can be banned, beaten, sued and killed. One PADA friendly lady just now said she had to erase her internet identity because she feared "they are coming to get me." What kind of program causes people to have such anxiety and fear? Anxiety and fear are the results of association with the asuras, not the suras. 

This type activity has no authority from the Supreme Being. The Veda Vada Rata class make acharyas artificially, and the shastra says, they go to worse hells than the regular people on the street "and it would have been better if they had never heard of the Vedas." Ditto that! 

In sum! We cannot violate the orders of God, and pose as saints, and take sins without authority, and then pray to God to fix our problems. Not going to work. At the same time, I personally do not wish these people either well or unwell. Their karma train is already running along to its own time schedule, and its not my position to request the train to slow down or speed up, but let us say, there are a considerable number of people who hope all these guys will depart as soon as possible. They have made their own bed, and now they will have to lie in it.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

Yep, right they should have all retired a long time ago.

But they are too attached. 

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PPD: "YOU ARE COMMITTING VAISHNAVA APARADHA"

That line, more than any other, was responsible for silencing dissenters among the 1st and 2nd generation followers of Shrila Prabhupada. At one point, the mere suggestion that there shouldn't be eleven "Vyasa Asanas" beside Prabhupada's sacred seat would earn the devotee an earful on the subject of "offending pure devotees."

I was reading a letter on the FB page of Hrishikesha Prabhu (Books by Hare Krishna Historian Henry Doktorski). It id a letter Hrishikesh received from convicted devotee murderer--and hard time lifer-- Tirtha dasa (Thomas Drescher). In Tirtha's letter, he uses the cliche "Vaishnava aparadha" as a veiled threat meaning ""I've got you in my radar, so you'd better watch your back." It is laughable that Tirtha, a cold blooded assassin of devotees, would call Doktorski's literary presentations of unchangeable historical facts as "Vaishnava aparadha." Have a look:

Tirtha threatens, “For your sake, I just hope you don’t continue with your attempt to publish your book. You can’t see it, but you are riding toward oblivion on Vaishnava aparadhas [offenses to Vaishnavas]. You have no standing in these matters, since you are no longer within the family of Vaishnavas. You will gain nothing but pain and suffering in your life.”

It is indeed a very sad history in ISKCON that Kali chelas in saffron--whose every self-motivated activities were tainted with aparadha against Shrila Prabhupada and the entire sampradaya--would use this tactic of intimidation to try to silence the genuine observation of Prabhupada's real servants. I am certain that all of my friends on this thread must have heard this robotic cult mantra at some point, "You are offending a pure devotee" (read Bhava, Ram, Tamal, Bhagavan, K. Swami, etc).

In 20/ 20 hindsight, one must ask, "Who then is the aparadhi here?
IMAGE: (L) Tirtha, cold-blooded killer of Sulochan and Chakradhari, and self-appointed "authority on Vaishnava aparadha." (R) Hrishikesha Prabhu with his well-researched books on what happened to ISKCON.

Leaving Ritviks / Gopijana / Kailasa / Moving Molesters Around 05 12

PADA: I left the ritviks evidently -- to join the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children guru sampradaya -- which worships deviants as -- Krishna's gurus, acharyas and "God's successors." OK ask any ordinary hamburger eating citizen of the USA walking to Walmart, are God's successors often found "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children." 

Nope! And that would be a big "nay, nay, nay, no way"!  

OK any average USA citizen is ten million percent smarter than all of these "India scholars" put together. These GBC guys keep showing us charts and documents, but none of these documents ever says "henceforward -- ISKCON shall be worshiping illicit sex, pedophiles, porno swamis and drunks as Krishna's acharyas." Rather, the books and documents say that anyone who worships deviants -- has to go to hell. 

Wow. So Krishna is pure, and therefore His successors are often drunks, debauchees, skirt chasers, homosexuals, pedophiles, porno swamis, and people who live like Saudi Princes while the children in their schools are being fed rotten moldy oatmeal. Did I forget the mention their guru program reportedly made an anal reconstructive surgery epidemic program in the Dham of Sridham Mayapur. 

Obviously all these India scholars have ZERO clue that God is pure and therefore His successors are as well. But any ordinary Western person knows -- God is pure and so therefore His succesors are as well. It is common understanding in the West.  

Pretty amazing really, they sit there drooling on themselves totally stumped with the basic question -- of whether God is pure and therefore -- so are His successors. Again, if you ask any drunk in NYC central park the same question, the drunk replies -- nope, child molesters are not, were not, and could not have been God's successors. Nope and nope! 

That is because the drunk has some nominal moral sense and respect for God, and clearly, they do not. Oh yeah, these guys like Jayapataka, founder father of the anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiahs club, and Gopal Krishna, who helps bury pedophiles in samadhis! Told ya! ys pd 

angel108b@yahoo.com

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RE: Gopijana / Prahlad das / HKC Jaipur update

PADA: Yes, as soon as I said thousands of children are being molested, then Gopijana ilk was upset and they said "Sulochan and Puranjan are bogus sahajiya gopis" because he was working at New Vrndavana under Kirtanananda. All of the molester lovers attacked us. Even HKC Jaipur's Prahlad das (Paul Coats?) started to complain -- that me and Sulochana are bogus gopis sahajiyas. 

OK and Prahlad has been citing Bhavananda's bucket boy, and Radhanath's cheer leaders, and he is complaining -- we are bogus, while he is quoting from his favorite anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club pals. Anal sex epidemic and messiahs clubs are bona fide, and anyone complaining is a bogus gopi. 

And that is how these thinkers made all this molesting happen in the first place. And the Dayalu Nitai HKC Jaipur folks said -- Prahlad is their senior man there, because they also cannot figure out that anal sex epidemics and messiahs is a bogus program, and us bogus gopis -- ok we are also bogus, but not as bogus as them because they are a peril to every child on the planet. 

Umm, that also makes us bogus gopis ten billion percent more advanced than them since, we are not ever going to cite the pedophile messiah's folks as our authority. Really amazing, the bogus gopis know that pedophiles are not God's successors, but the "sincere chanters" like GBC / Gopijana / Prahlad das / HKC Jaipur ilk have been kissing the jack books of their favorite molester messiah pals, and they are advertising that is the sincere follower! A sincere follower of their anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club is bona fide? 

Did If forget to mention the Gopijana / New Vrndavan team was hunting us, to kill us bogus gopis? And they came after us ... to take down ... the people who have been complaining about their molester messiah's project. And they did take Sulochana down. Where does Srila Prabhupada say it is our job to assassinate bogus gopis -- or anyone else?  

The PADA / Prahlad site has ALSO been advertising Radhanath's pals. It is always the same issues ... and yes all of these people opposed the Windle Turley lawsuit ... and they said they had no problems with victims taking their lives (which would have made another newspaper story anyway if allowed to continue). Yep, they kept saying PADA is a liar, when I said children are being abused, to cover for their molesters pals. They wanted the suicides to continue because that is what they said at the time "let them (victims) all die in a bloodbath" -- so we can save our pedophile gurus process.

And yes, Tamal went to India to resolve the lawsuit, and he died as a result, and the PADA Problems people cried badly that their hero was gone. Oh boo hoo, their pedo-pada messiah's club founder is gone! Gimme a kleenex already! ys pd

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Kailasa Update

No, this is not correct. The reason Trivrikrama swami, Ravindra swarupa and Kirtanananda type people etc. have been distributing Kailasa's papers at the GBC meetings and to their followers is because -- Kailasa says that anyone who accepts Srila Prabhupada's divyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha) is being cheated and is apa-siddhanta. He says that all the time. 

Kailasa wrote many articles for Rocana saying that anyone who accepts Srila Prabhupada divyam jnanam process (diksha) is being cheated, and that is how come the GBC loves you people. And Kailasa's stealing ISKCON money and cows is why people here said he is another GBC cheater. And his frying out Jadurani made people think he is another GBC misogynist. 

Sorry, the reason the GBC people are circulating Kailasa's writings is -- he says what they say -- anyone who worships pure pure devotees and accepts their divyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha) process -- is being cheated and that is also called atheism. He says our people are apa-siddhanta all the time, and so did Kirtanananda. 

Sorry, the real explanation is not, that anyone who is following divyam jnanam that destroys sins is being cheated. Of course Kailasa also does not like the Christian ritviks either, because they saved my life from the people who were distributing his papers. ys pd

Ravindra Swarupa's Guru Pal's

"Visions of Vaikuntha"

No wonder they like Kailasa's writings!

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MOVING MOLESTERS AROUND

PADA: A former teacher at Satsvarupa's gurukula told me "every single student was molested." The molester allegedly came from another zone where he was molesting, then he was moved to another zone and another zone, and yet no one was alerted, no police reports, nothing was done according to that teacher. And this teacher was too paranoid to do anything themselves. ys pd

SR: Sadly that was often the case.

CP: More than often it happened again & again for many decades since the 70s 80s 90s & still happening till this dayprabhu.

KE: Who is MG?

CP: Madhava Gouranga.

KE: What role does he play?

CP: He was principal of Mayapur gurukul when my child was abused there, and we were forced to leave. My comment was probably about him advising me not to seek counselling for my child, only to seek support from within iskcon. He expelled my child for being abused. We also now know that he managed to withhold an investigation and skip the reporting required, despite four kids being expelled. One of the expelled kids was in trouble for not sharing my sons secret immediately when he discovered it. 

MG is a very deranged and damaged person, and desperately needs to NOT be in charge of children in any capacity ever again.

KE: Yes, correct ... moving molesters, that's been going on for years worldwide. In Australia & New Zealand happened many times. And. A repeat offender was sent from New Zealand from New Varshan to Sydney into into a Block of Units where there were young children living there. One of my best friends informed Patapan's wife Jai Sri that this Ashram teacher had sexually abused many children. Same thing happened in New Goverdhana. 

Same at Adelaide Temple Kripa Kara. Abused a young girl in temple he was T.P protected by Ramai Swami our GBC representative & several other Temple Presidents & then he abused two more family members. Another devotee Dàvid Kerr who has passed away ... his daughter was sexually abused by an Indian Pujari staying at New Goverdhana.

When her father beat this pujari up, he was harassed and given a hard time. Instead of listening to David Kerr ... this Indian devottee should of been taken to the police. Instead Ajita Prabhu, the Temple President sent him back to India where he could molest over there. 

So many sex offenders have been sent elsewhere. Different Zones which gives them an open slate to reoffend & ruin other children minors or teenagers, instead of protecting children. Big mistake Not to Alert Police ..

BG Narasingha Swami / Kailasa Updates 05 10

Except the BG Narasingha and Sridhara Maharaja gurus are falling down left and right, and into illicit sex with men, women and children. Yep, like they are saying Krishna is not God. What kind of fools make illicit sex deviants into God's successors?

These guys are also Sridhara Maharaja Followers:

krishna1008: Neither Sridhara Maharaja "Successor" Has Legal Proof?

PADA: thanks for your question about BG Narasingha swami's writings. He was a follower of BR Sridhara Maharaja, who was a big cheer leader of the GBC's 11 gurus. Notice that he says the the "ritviks" are worshiping pure devotees "out of frustration," and that worshiping pure devotees is "a concoction" and we therefore need to worship Sridhara's acharyas, the first one being a bi-sexual deviant in 1936, and later on the GBC's 11, which includes illicit sex with men, women and children. 

We are not worshiping their pedophiles and deviants messiahs "out of frustraion"? Ummm, well no, no normal person wants to worship pedophiles and deviants as their messiahs, at all. Well jeepers, why would we not be frustrated with their idea of worshiping deviants as messiahs? 

We also said that people like BG Narasingha should not take karma, because that will make them get sick, fall down or both. Srila Prabhupada said that devotees would not be affected by cancer if they followed his process, but BG Narasingha and many other got cancer, because evidently they are not following the process properly. He took a lot of karma by being a guru without authority, and he helped Sridhara promote the GBC's pedophile messiah's club, all of which is "bad karma." 

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

CONCOCTED IDEA BORN OUT OF FRUSTRATION
Dear ______,

Initiation is not something you have to do. it is something that when you are advancing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness you will want to do. Initiation is a reciprocal relationship of affection between Kṛṣṇa and you which only transpires via the bona-fide representative of Krsna.

All liberated souls are eternal and ‘alive’ through their instructions. Lord Kṛṣṇa is also ‘alive’ in Bhagavad-gītā, but none of this changes the bona-fide process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness wherein to enter Kṛṣṇa’s family we will need to accept mantra-dīkṣā from a bona fide living guru. This is the teaching of all great ācāryas. Śrīla Prabhupāda taught this also and Lord Caitanya (incarnation of Kṛṣṇa) and even Kṛṣṇa Himself taught this essential principle by their personal example. When even God accepts a living guru, then who are we to think that we can do something different?

Śrīla Prabhupāda never taught the so-called ‘Ṛtvik’ idea. Ṛtvik is a concocted idea born out of fighting and frustration, and it does not stand up to the Vedic inspection. It is not an eternal philosophy as are the teachings of the Vedas and the bona-fide ācāryas.

I hope this meets you well.
Śrī Hari-jana-kiṅkara,
Swami BG Narasingha

https://swaminarasingha.com/writings/letters/2006-letters/

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Are criminals, sexual predators and deviants "God's acharya successors"?

https://gosai.com/ashrama/swami-bg-narasingha

BB Vishnu

A Critical Essay Addressing the Ritvik Misconception in light of bona-fide siddhanta

[PADA: Yep, worship of pure devotees, and not conditioned souls posing as acharyas is a misconception. We need to worship bogus / illicit sex / intoxicated / criminal gurus who are rubber stamped by Sridhara Maharaja / Narayan Maharaja / et al. Who knew! There is good news, one of their current followers recently debated us and he said he could not give us the name of the current acharya for their program but "there might be a pure person out there somewhere." Bluffers! They cannot even name who their acharya is?]

"One should not proudly think that one can understand the transcendental loving service of the Lord simply by reading books... One must accept a Vaisnava guru (adau gurv-asrayam), and then by questions and answers one should gradually learn what pure devotional service to Krsna is. That is called the parampara system." (Cc. Antya-lila 7.53, purp.) — AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

The nature of devotional truths is that they are not revealed by debates (tarko 'pratisthah). The proper conception for any tattva is revealed in the heart only by virtue of ones' spiritual qualifications (adurlabham atma-bhaktau). We have experienced in our preaching that often the simplest spiritual concepts cannot be understood, even when painstakingly explained. This is due to the [non-devotee] recipients' disqualifications or impurities.

Similarly, many devotees are disqualified from understanding finer siddhantic truths by virtue of their impurities, material desires, subtle and gross deviations from the strict line of Sri Rupanuga-varga, and particularly because of their offenses to other Vaisnavas. Devotional faith is illumined with proper understanding. Real, substantial faith can never be blindly based on incomplete knowledge and semi-devotional considerations. True faith recognizes real spiritual substance, for it is the seed of the hladini-sakti, the potency to give pleasure to Sri Krsna, embodied and distributed to us by the Absolute Pleasure Potency, Srimati Radharani. Faith is the substance that is of the same spiritual quality as the spiritual world: it is our most substantial connection with that highest realm of attainment.

Ritvik Misconceptions

All those who are associated directly or indirectly with the formal ISKCON movement accept that Srila Prabhupada appointed ritvik priests to initiate on his behalf during his final manifest days. However, the concept that all initiations in ISKCON after the departure of Srila Prabhupada would be done by ritvik priests is inconsistent with all of his teachings, all sastra, all predecessor acaryas, all sampradayas, and all Vedic and Pancaratrika tradition.

[PADA: In 1936 Sridhara Maharaja made a person who turned out to be a bi-sexual deviant into the Gaudiya Matha's "acharya" citing that "if we do not have a living guru we will not be following shastra." And eventually it came out that their "guru" was having at least one illicit affair, and the dissenting devotees who protested Sridhara Maharaja's bogus guru deviation process were banned, some were beaten up, some were killed. Later on their "guru" committed suicide by drinking poison as his scandals piled up, and his son was killed with poison to help cover up these scandals.

Then, after 1977, Sridhara Maharaja endorsed another layer of conditioned souls as gurus, the ISKCON GBC's 11 bogus gurus. And the same type deviations happened. Their anointed gurus started falling into scandals, and those who protested were banned, beaten, sued, and some were assassinated. The "order" to worship the acharya under a management body (Governing Body) and not make conditioned souls into acharyas was not followed.

Of course Jayadvaita swami has summed up that the "guru parampara" supported by the GBC, Sridhara Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja et al. contains "illicit sex with men, women and children." I am glad that they are excluding sex with goats in their guru parampara from Vaikuntha, that is at least Sridhara Maharaja's sampradaya's only credit.]

Taking into consideration all the available documents, tapes and instructions of Srila Prabhupada we see that he did not leave clear instructions regarding the managerial aspect of the process of initiation after his departure, although he did give a clear understanding of its spiritual principles. Srila Prabhupada many times mentioned his Guru Maharaja's desire in this matter and he left it up to the GBC to manage all material and spiritual affairs.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada said perhaps thousands of times, we cannot make false gurus like Sridhara Maharaja of the Gaudiya Matha has done. We can only have a managerial body because no one is qualified to be guru. He said this -- over and over and over and over.

Yet the followers of Sridhara Maharaja say "this is not clear." What is not clear? The GBC were only appointed as managers, not as gurus, as BB Vishnu more or less admits above. The idea that conditioned souls cannot become gurus is explained by Srila Prabhupada COUNTLESS times, its very clear.]

His idea was 'Let them manage; then whoever will be qualified for becoming acarya, they will elect. Why should I enforce it upon them?' That was his plan. 'Let them manage by strong governing body, as it is going on. Then acarya will come by his qualifications.' (SPL 21.9.73)

[PADA: Yes, Srila Prabhupada said a qualified person can potentially become guru later on, maybe. Yet! Only if someone is up to the pure standard of acharya, but Sridhara Maharaja thinks conditioned souls are ALREADY "qualified as acharas" when they clearly are not. So ALL the ISKCON people could MAYBE and theoretically "become gurus eventually" (all of the disciples). Fine, but then the bogus gurus certified by the GBC and Sridhara Maharaja eliminated ALMOST ALL of the rank and file devotees, who were for the most part nearly all banned and exiled, if not beaten and murdered on the way out the door.

Then the few elite gurus selected by the GBC and endorsed by Sridhara Maharaja hi-jacked the assets of ISKCON after removing almost ALL of the people who were potentially going to be spiritually elevated. A person who is already pure or can become pure later, if there is one who manifests eventually, will manifest by his own self-effulgent qualifications and not by the rubber stamp of the GBC and their self-proclaimed "advisors" like Sridhara Maharaja. Yes, the acharya appears by his qualifications and not because people like Sridhara Maharaja endorse conditioned souls as acharyas.]

Mundane votes have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaisnava acarya. A Vaisnava acarya is self-effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgment. (C.c. Madhya-lila 1.220, purp.) His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. (SPL 28.4.74)

[PADA: Yet Sridhara Maharaja said the GBC can vote in more acharyas. So (A) mundane votes cannot select an acharya, therefore (B) lets make mundane votes to select the acharya? These folks are arguing with their own shadow.]

We can understand from these statements that it is highly unlikely that Srila Prabhupada would appoint any successor acaryas. It is also clear from a thorough study of Srila Prabhupada's teachings that he desired that the traditional parampara system be followed in his mission, and that his consistent desire is that his disciples initiate disciples when qualified.

[PADA: They were not qualified to be gurus, and that has been proven in spades. That means Sridhara Maharaja made a big mistake promoting them as gurus, and worse as "zonal acharyas." And worse, he said "none should protest" which made us "protesters" targets for violence, as happened.]

His many consistent instructions in this regard were given at various times under many different circumstances such as lectures, letters to specific devotees and room conversations.

I wish that in my absence all my disciples become the bona fide spiritual master to spread Krsna consciousness throughout the whole world. (SPL Madhusudana, Nov. 2, 1967)

[PADA: Yes, the kindergarten teacher tells his students that he hopes ALL of them could become brain surgeons eventually. That does not mean one, some or all of them have already become brain surgeons? This is a generalized idea, its not a specific instruction for one, some, or everyone to be gurus now. No one is named here to be the actual guru or gurus, and thus we cannot telescope the general instructions for a potential future person or persons to become pure -- to be a specific instruction for specific people to be gurus now, as the Sridhara Maharaja program does all the time.]

Regarding your question about the disciplic succession coming down from Arjuna, it is just like I have got my disciples, so in the future these many disciples may have many branches of disciplic succession. (Los Angeles, 25 January, 1969)

Every one of you should be spiritual master next. (Hamburg, September 5, 1969)

[PADA: So the Sridhara Maharaja / GBC program kicks nearly everyone of these potential gurus out, then says, everyone of them is a potential guru? So why did they kick out all of these people, if they were supposed to become some sort of gurus? They are all gurus, so lets kick them all out? What kind of society bans, beats and assassinates its potential gurus? Oh I almost forgot, its Sridhara / Narayan maharaja's!

They are potentially going to be gurus, so lets ban, beat, sue, remove and -- kill these potential "gurus"? This is also the same identical program Sridhara Maharaja orchestrated in the Gaudiya Matha, the rank and file were banned, exiled and removed, then they said -- well these people were all supposed become pure and become some sort of gurus?

So why is the GBC / Sridhara Maharaja program saying (A) they are supposed to become pure therefore, (B) lets ban, beat, sue, remove and kill them? And lets help the GBC create a mass child abuse program and then become their hand maidens in a program to ban, beat, sue, and assassinate those who protest that deviation as well?]

These students, who are initiated from me, all of them will act as I am doing. Just like I have got many Godbrothers, they are all acting. Similarly, all these disciples which I am making, initiating, they are being trained to become future spiritual masters. (RC Detroit, July 18, 1971)

You, all my disciples, everyone should become spiritual master. (London, August 22, 1973)

[PADA: When or if, they are qualified. Of course the Sridhara Maharaja program kicks out almost all the devotees, so they cannot become more qualified at any service.]

Every student is expected to become acarya. Acarya means one who knows the scriptural injunctions and follows them practically in life, and teaches them to his disciples... I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy... Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bonafide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. (SPL Tusta Krsna, December 2, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada, quoting his Guru Maharaja, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, writes very clearly that the order of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is for everyone to become spiritual master (yare dekhi tare kaha krsna upadesa amara ajnaya guru hana tare ei desa) and that one is qualified to become guru if he knows the science of Krsna consciousness (yei krsna-tattva vetta sei guru haya).

[PADA: Yes, anyone can BECOME pure, that does not mean they have ALREADY become pure. Srila Prabhupada said we neophytes are like unripe mangoes. Yes, an unripe mango might MAYBE become a ripe and tasty mango EVENTUALLY, but we cannot telescope the unripe with the ripe prematurely.]

Srila Prabhupada writes that this order applies equally to siksa and diksa guru and that we MUST accept this principle or Krsna consciousness will not spread all over the world. This instruction of Srila Prabhupada, which is his Bhaktivedanta purport to the exact verse enunciating this principle, is irrefutably clear.

[PADA: Wrong. Srila Prabhupada said that we neophytes cannot absorb sins as diksha gurus and if we do so we will fall down, get sick, and many of our God brother associates died prematurely from taking sins without authority. Of course Sridhara Maharaja did the same thing after 1936, he endorsed premature acharyas and a number of them fell down, got sick, or died, or commited suicide, as happened to his main bogus acharya.]

The word guru [in this verse, yei krsna-tattva sei guru haya] is equally applicable to vartma-pradarsaka-guru, siksa-guru and diksa-guru. Unless we accept the principle enunciated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, this Krsna consciousness movement cannot spread all over the world. (Cc. Madhya-lila 8.128, purp.)

It is simply inconsistent and out of concert with all his teachings to think that Srila Prabhupada wished his ISKCON movement to utilize a posthumous ritvik system of initiation on his behalf for all time.

[PADA: A neophyte can absorb sins like Jesus -- simply does not work. Some of the Narayan Maharaja people think this is some kind of joke, but when neophytes try to take sins, Srila Prabhupada told us "they will have to suffer." And they are.]

Generally diksa (initiation) follows siksa (instruction), and the siksa of the initiating guru continues after diksa with innumerable instruction sessions, where the guru on a regular basis answers important philosophical questions, which are essential for healthy, normal spiritual advancement. This cannot be separated from the relationship of guru and disciple.

Regarding the guru disciple relationship, siksa is the most essential element: the transferral of transcendental knowledge (divya-jnanam) comprises the essence of initiation. Be it with our diksa or our siksa guru, we need a substantial siksa relationship with an advanced realized Vaisnava who can guide us by providing properly conceived answers to our particular questions, according to time, place, circumstance and personal necessity.

[PADA: So the Prabhupadanugas are acting as shiksha devotees, and they agree this is the essence. Yet then these deviants say -- we should not have these neophytes acting MERELY as minor league shiksha devotee preachers, rather we should tell them they are as good as Jesus, and they can absorb sins as diksha gurus. No, the church laymen, preachers, priests or shiksha gurus cannot act in that capacity.]

This substantial siksa is essential to help one extract and understand the teachings of Srila Prabhupada and the previous acaryas. Further, it is the injunction of the Bhakti-sandarbha of Sri Jiva Goswami that only one on the transcendental platform can associate with a non-manifest personality.

[PADA: Right, Sridhara Maharaja says we cannot worship the actual acharya, we have to worship the fools he manifests as acharya instead, i.e. his 1936 bi-sexual deviant. Then, after 1977 he manifests even more deviants for us to promote as his messiahs, like sexual predators, homosexuals, criminals, machine gun swamis and so on, as his alleged acharyas. Why is he manifesting all these fools as his process of the parampara from God, and acharyas?]

Srila Prabhupada is always with the sincere disciple in the form of his instructions, but the degree to which we are able to associate with him is limited by our degree of realization. For example, Krishna's pastimes are eternally going on in Vrindavan, but now they are unmanifest.

Only one with the vision described by Narottama das Thakur in Prarthana will see the land made of cintamani, the kalpa-vriksa trees, and Krishna performing His pastimes with His associates. In the same manner, Srila Prabhupada is here with us, but our ability to associate with him is limited by our degree of faith and realization.

[PADA: Exactly right! Some people see the pure devotee in his books, other people see pure devotees as: assorted deviants such as homosexuals, pedophiles, criminals, molesters, drunkards, and so on. When Hansadutta told Sridhara Maharaja he was having affairs and he was taking intoxicants, Sridhara Maharaja said, you have to go back and continue to be a guru or your followers will be discouraged. Great, we have to tell people to worship debauchees so they will not be discouraged! Sridhara Maharaja also helped save Ramesvara from resigning, helped keep Tamal, Jayatirtha and others the guru seat, and so on, in other words he keeps deviants in the guru seat.]

Is Everything In Srila Prabhupada's Books?

"Everything" is in Srila Prabhupada's books, and when properly understood, these books are sufficient in themselves for one to advance in Krsna consciousness and attain perfection. This does not mean that every piece of information is in Prabhupada's books, but that the methodology and instructions for attaining perfection in Krsna consciousness are.

[PADA: Yes, many people write to report that -- thank goodness they are reading the books -- because this has saved them from worshiping the Sridhara Maharaja endorsed illicit sex with men, women and children guru process. Of course any average ten year old child knows that we cannot worship debauchees as acharyas, that is not proper understanding of God and His successors.]

If we faithfully follow the instructions given in these books we will imbibe the proper devotional conceptions and Krsna will reveal to us through His agents, the Vaishnavas and sadhus, those additional things that are necessary. (cf. Bg. 9.22 and C.c. Madhya-lila 22.54).

"I carry what you lack and preserve what you have." And "by even a moment's association with a pure devotee, one can attain all success." In Srila Prabhupada's letter of November 22, 1974 he offers encouraging words by stating that by such daily sincere reading of his books, everything will be revealed in time.

The problem arises in extracting, understanding and properly applying the many instructions therein.

[PADA: Yes, nowhere in the Vedas does it say we should worship conditioned souls as acharyas. Nor does it say that when these bogus acharyas are having illicit sex, taking intoxicants, and orchestrating beatings, molesting, bogus lawsuits, murders and assorted other crimes -- that we should sit back and "wait and see" as Sridhara Maharaja advised the GBC. We are witnessing a process of banning, beating, molesting, suing, murders and so many other crimes, and we need to "wait and see" -- waiting for -- what?

Why are we waiting for more people to become victims of these abuses?

There is only concern for preserving the false guru regime and not for the victims, of course that is also what happened after 1936 in India. They "waited," as more and more people were banned, beaten and killed. Why should we "wait and see" and enable and allow more victimization?]

Sastra is passive and the advanced devotee is the active principle in extracting the devotional conclusions. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, in his 1931 Harmonist article (The Harmonist, Dec. 1931, vol. XXIX No. 6), while extolling the virtues of Bhaktivinoda Thakura, emphatically states this same point. "One cannot simply read the words of Bhaktivinode Thakura; one must hear them from the lips of a pure devotee." An excerpt of this article, a very strong statement against the ritvik idea by our param guru Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, is presented at the end of this article.

[PADA: OK so we need to worship deviants as acharyas, and that is advice from the living lips or a pure devotee? Meanwhile, any ten year old child knows we cannot attain God by worship of debauchees?]

Simply repeating Srila Prabhupada's instructions or cutting and pasting them into papers without understanding them cannot substitute for realizing their essence by virtue of purely practicing them. The innumerable philosophical controversies amongst Srila Prabhupada's direct disciples and followers stand strongly as a testament to this. There is much confusion regarding proper understandings of jiva-tattva, guru-tattva, rasa-tattva and Vaisnava-tattva, just to name a few. This problem cannot be denied, and substantiates that we need continuous and properly qualified siksa, always.

Volumes of letters written by Srila Prabhupada in response to his disciples many very individual needs and specific questions further substantiates that the continuous flow of guidance is necessary throughout ones' spiritual life–Prabhupada did not tell his disciples to go look it up in a book. On the contrary, he stated:

One should not proudly think that one can understand the transcendental loving service of the Lord simply by reading books. One must become a servant of a Vaisnava. As Narottama dasa Thakura has confirmed, chadiya vaisnava-seva nistara peyeche keba: one cannot be in a transcendental position unless one very faithfully serves a pure Vaisnava. One must accept a Vaisnava guru (adau gurv-asrayam), and then by questions and answers one should gradually learn what pure devotional service to Krsna is. That is called the parampara system." (Cc. Antya-lila 7.54,purp.)

The disciple, if he cannot understand the statement of the scriptures or any saintly person, he submits his doubts before the spiritual master and he clears it. In this way we have to make progress. (Montreal, July 9, 1968) By reading you cannot understand. (Bom. Jan. 8, 1977)

Question: Through a book can you contact the spiritual master?
Prabhupada: No, you have to associate.
Devotee: "Can you associate through a book?" she asked.
Prabhupada: Yes, through books and also personal. Because when you make a spiritual master you have got personal touch. Not that in air you make a spiritual master. You make a spiritual master concrete. So as soon as you make a spiritual master, you should be inquisitive. (RC London, Sept. 23, 1969)

The present uncertainty as to the proper guru system in some temples in ISKCON seems to be a managerial consideration, not a philosophical one. However, no amount of external arrangement can replace or satisfy our internal spiritual necessity.

In their attempts to propagate the ritvik misconception, the ritvik proponents, have not been able to provide a proper siddhantic explanation of this issue. Their engagement in mundane grammatical and logical debates reveals a lack of spiritual acquisition–realization seen through the eye of divine service. There is not a single example in our sampradaya nor by any of our acaryas, nor any other bonafide sampradaya where devotees take initiation from a guru by proxy after he has left this world.

The ritvik proponents continuously try to shun their burden of proof and instead state that there is "no scriptural reference indicating this ritvik practice is a deviation from siddhanta." When such a novel and unprecedented idea is introduced (initiation by a non-manifest personality) the Gaudiya Vaisnava tradition dictates that sastric references be provided to validate its authenticity. This has not been done.

In Srila Prabhupada's own words, such statements (even of the guru) which cannot be verified by sastra must be rejected along with the guru. (C.c. Madhya-lila 20.352, purp.). Thus if we follow the dry ritvik logic one step further, we arrive at a most unpleasant and unpalatable conclusion.

Bhaktivinoda Thakura has mentioned thirteen apasampradayas that deviate from the strict line of Sri Caitanya. The ritvik conception is ideologically closest to the Kartabhaja apasampradaya; one of these thirteen:

In Bangladesh, a new version of the Kartabhaja sect was founded by one Anukul Chandra. Posing himself as a Supreme Lord, Anukul Chandra has been worshipped by his followers as such. Specific features of his worship were his "Visvarupa darsanas," which centered on a very degraded practice. He is now dead, but his followers propagate that he can initiate latter-day devotees through preachers known as ritviks. New initiates must agree to follow the principles—be vegetarian once a week and worship no deity other than Anukul Chandra's picture.

The example of condemnation of an improper attitude and understanding of the guru principle provides illumination for the present day situation.

Virabhadra Goswami in a letter to Srinivasa Acarya ostracized one Jayagopala from Vaisnava society for claiming himself as a disciple of his param guru. This is described in Gaudiya Vaisnava Abhidhana, khanda 3.

Many devotees look to the ritvik idea as a new life-giving conception that will solve the biggest disaster in ISKCON—that of the guru issue. This is like seeing the external symptoms of a woman whose stomach is growing. Some may conceive that new life may arise from this, but actually it is only a tumor that will not bring about a new life but will only bring death to the woman herself. In the words of the most exalted and until recently, the seniormost Gaudiya Vaisnava on the planet, Srila Bhakti Promode Puri Goswami Maharaja, whose clear statement on the ritvik idea says it all, "It is the death of the sampradaya."

[PADA: Srila Bhakti Pramode Puri supported the idea that Jayapataka's (child molester) guru regime in Mayapura is bona fide. Did we forget to mention, Jayapataka is one of the people close to the poison complaint conspiracy where Srila Prabhupada complains of being poisoned? Why do Sridhara Maharaja's / Narayan Maharaja's etc. programs always go back to glorification of the cheer leaders of the molester messiahs process, the main suspects in the poisoning complaint from Prabhupada etc.?]

Lord Krsna once asked Duryodhana to go into the kingdom and bring back a person more qualified than himself, and He asked Yudhisthira to find a person less qualified than himself. After some time each returned alone: Duryodhana said that he could not find anyone more qualified than himself, and Yudhisthira said that everyone was more qualified than himself. Like Duryodhana, most ritvik proponents are representing that they alone are qualified to judge the (dis) qualifications of others. This kind of thinking is avaisnava and contrary to our devotional line — it is apa-sampradayic. If one lacks the realization to understand these many essential points, that does not mean that others do not understand these points.

[PADA: The ritviks should not judge that Sridhara's banning, beating, molesting and murdering guru process is bogus? That is how these folks enabled all these crimes, Sridhara complained that we dissenters are wrong to protest, and we should not protest. OK so people are being banned, beaten, molested, sued and assassinated, and "none should protest" --- which enables the criminals.]

The deliberate attempt to create and maintain Vaisnavas on the plane of lower adhikari (kanistha adhikari) – as is the case in ISKCON and among ritvik vadis, is a symptom of the incapacity to surrender and reach a higher plane of self abnegation, the plane where the greatest necessity is being served.

The essence of Bhagavad-gita is that we give up all our present conceptions and attachments and place ourselves at the disposal of the highest necessity of the Lord's agents.

The ritvik idea is a symptom of hrdaya-durbalya, the anartha of weakness of the heart that makes one unable to fully embrace the life of pure devotion.

Ritvik vadis wish to maintain the whole management and guru system on the level of lower adhikari. If one is really sincere and cannot tolerate impurity within the formal establishment, then one should accept an exclusive life of devotion (sannyasa) and establish a higher standard of purity. One must offer his impurity in the fire of sacrifice on behalf of the Lord.

The adhikari or spiritual standing of a devotee may be judged by his ideal or aspiration. The highest spiritual acquisition is not a matter of demand or right; it can only be sanctioned from the highest quarter, that of the Lord and His associates. "If God sees you are sincere, He will give you a spiritual master." (Rome, 6.23.74) In this endeavor it is all risk and no gain, for we cannot demand anything in return for our service. Pure devotional service is selfless.

The ritvik proponents are lacking a genuine spiritual aspiration. The underlying attitude of the ritvik idea is in essence abhakti, opposed to devotion, for it is indicative of a diseased condition to demand this connection with the plane of transcendence without proper qualifications.

Srila B. R. Sridhara Deva Goswami Maharaja has commented, "We cannot really help ourselves very much; because in our present state we are mainly guided by our previous samskara or acquired nature. This highest spiritual fortune is but a gracious grant from the Absolute Lord, and not a matter of right to be demanded or fought out." By cultivation of this mood of negativity (necessity) we attract the attention of the Lord. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu exemplifies this in the last verse of the Siksastaka, aslisya va pada-ratam pinastu mam... 'You may embrace me or trample me, but you will always be the only Lord of my life.'"

Devotees should realize that their difficulties are due to their own past misdeeds, and they should hope and pray that their situation be resolved (tat te'nukampam su-sumiksamano, Bhag. 10.14.8).

Eulogy of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura

[PADA: Even some "karmi" type person wrote me a few days ago saying he is appalled that the Krishna religion seems to allow all sorts of crimes going on left, right and center and the people do not take action to fix that.

Anyway, the ritviks are bogus because they worship a pure devotee and they do not worship Sridhara Maharaja's bi-sexual 1936 bogus guru, and his "later day saints" of illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's program. The ritviks do not worship debauchees as their messiahs, therefore they are "not in the parampara." Not in what parampara? ys pd]

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KAILASA UPDATE

PADA: Om, You guys just now said we are liars and fringies, which is how you guys made us targets "go get the liar crazy PTSD offender fools non-following fringies," and that is how you folks enabled the molesting, and that is how you folks helped eliminate Sulochana by saying he is a liar fringie, and you are still at it, calling us liar fringies, liar fools, to make us targets. And that is how you guys get us dissenting people KILLED, and that ENABLES the molesting. 

Don't you have anything better to do than to make us targets, after you already have Sulochana's departure on your hands by saying he is a liar fringie? You said we were fringies then, you made us targets, and you still are calling us liar fringies NOW. 

And Eric Johanson is your source, because he says we are fringies, while he was worshiping Hansadutta, who was saying Kirtanananda is the only pure devotee on the planet, and we "fringies" are offending the pure devotees. OK and Sulochana was murdered as a result. I would have been taken out myself without help from the FEDS. Why are you guys always citing this group as your authority?

I am quoting you guys here, so I am not sure how you can say I made this up? Meanwhile, Kailasa says that the books are post mortem because they do not deliver any divyam jnanam that destroys sins, and you failed to even address that either. So you are saying the same things the regime says, they also say the books are post mortem. Why are you their sock puppets? ys pd

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