Tragic Kulis / SP Quote / ISKCON Me Too / Guru's Lament Etc. 05 09

Tragic Gurukulis 

SR: Sad to say, but ITV's Nrisimhananda’s stepson Jiva was one of the Gurukulis that committed suicide. Jiva had a fundamentalist Christian father and was torn between two worlds, but there was also in my view, missing love and affection from his devotee family. So maybe he’s not the best judge of what it takes to successfully raise children in Iskcon.

BD: So sad. 

PADA: And the daughter of the ISKCON lawyer died evidently of drug overdose, some say it was a suicide. One ex-New Vrndanan "enforcer" had his son commit suicide right here in San Francisco under a bridge. And these are the people who want us to listen to them when it comes to child care? 

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(from Monkey On a Stick)

When Westeners tried talking to him about physical attraction and other nonsense he'd heard in their pop songs, he always gave the same explanation: ''What sounder foundation could a marriage have than devotion to Krishna? Surely, Krishna is a stronger bond than you transitory feelings?"

But the letters of marriage problems proved that the devotees had simply not advanced far enough. Prabhupada sliced the flap of the first envelope with an engraved silver letter opener given to him by one of his eager secretaries.
He ran his eye down the page: another complaining husband.

Prabhupada sighed and slit open another envelope. Here was a letter from a devotee in Chicago reporting that the temple president had delivered a speech saying that the number of devotees the movement attracted was no longer important. Prabhupada shook his head. This is all nonsense. The president was in maya.

So many were in maya.

''This is too much for one sick old man to handle,'' he said to his secretary, who was still standing by his side. "If only Krishna had sent me help in the form of one enlightened devotee. But none of these boys has experienced samadhi, none is advanced enough to be my successor.''

Then, he smiled at the irony. Maybe it was just as well. If there was only one successor, the others would surely gang up to destroy the man. Prabhupada once again rang his bell. Another devotee entered. 

''I will take massage now,'' he said, placing himself on the massage table. "As I once called Kirtanananda "Kitchenananda," I should call myself 'Problempada.' ''

The masseur didn't respond.

PADA: About right. If there had been one actual "pure devotee successor," the other guys certainly would have ganged up on him to destroy him. I am by no means "the successor," nor would I ever even want to be -- considering how dangerous that would be. Yet certainly many of my God brothers ganged up on me to harass me, ban me, stop me, and collude with the GBC's gangsters. A number of them wanted me destroyed and disappeared. Many of them still tell me "you are bogus, we need to worship the living person" blah blah blah. They never got it. They never wanted to get it. 

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ISKCON's ME TOO movement!

KKD: A trickle of written experiences of abuse in Mayapur have surfaced recently. It could lead us to wonder if this is the beginning of ISKCON’s own "Me Too" moment for males and females.

Even if an avalanche of revelations clutter the narrative of devotee chatter and bugs the top leaders as well, it’s best not to get enthused about prospects for reform or improvement. Things will probably remain the same. 

Here’s why. In normal society, Me Too victims have more of a chance to prosecute high profile perpetrators because the justice system is separate from governmental interference. It’s still difficult for victims to go through lengthy legal processes, but the chances are available. An independent judiciary allows it.

In ISKCON, both the CPO and justice ministry are under GBC control. Such control would forestall any potential for free and fair due process. An avalanche of revelations will stutter. No independent justice or CPO equals no fair chances at addressing abuse cases. The odds are stacked against attempts for justice when the GBC has full or partial control.

An avalanche might cause choppy waves, but not much more than that. Other strategies are required, otherwise we’re simply paddling in the shallow waters of repetitive inaction and Me Too stays a fantasy.

Ys KK Dasa.

PADA: Yep, one devotee said that after 45 years of contrived banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing devotee dissenters, the ISKCON leaders have simply invested too much time and effort in making their molester messiah's system work. There is no turning back now for one powerful reason, to admit that this was all a big lie would mean legal implications.  

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Patita Pavana das:

THE "GURU'S" LAMENT

How I wish that I never became a guru,
I'd love to place this burden on you,

My disciples now hate me for the things that I do,
I live in a cage like some fox in a zoo.

My position has burnt way down to the ground,
'Cause I cheated and lied all over this town,

The fire has spread with flames all around,
It's burning to ashes while the sirens do sound.

I ripped off the poor that I could be rich,
Then I turned and spent it on some little b*tch,

I demanded your worship on a level of God,
Yet now forever the path of sorrow I trod.

You offered me garlands, and flowers at my feet,
You groveled before me in my holy seat,

But once you peered into my wicked ruse,
Those garlands you offered have become just a noose!

Oh, I wish I had married like an ordinary guy,
There's no one to help me for the tears that I cry,

I've fallen for sure to some horrible depth,
All that I feel now is the pain of regret.

I forced you to recite prayers in fine Sanskrit rhyme,
You bowed and recited it time after time.

Those verses so hollow have now turned to fire
For their next recitation at my funeral pyre!

Oh the carrion crows are flying around,
Out in the distance hear the howls of the hounds,

No one laments for the place I must dwell,
The doors have now opened to the fires of hell!

O Kirtan, Tamal, Sats, Bhavananda and Ram,
The two Jayas, Hriday, Hari, Bhaga and Hans,
They all longed for glory and power and fame,
By placing themselves ahead of the Lord's Holy Name!

How I wish that I never became a guru,

I'd love to place this burden on you,

My disciples now hate me for the things that I do,
I am chained to my fate for this life that I blew.

--Patita Pavana dasa Adhikary. 8 May 23

IMAGE: From 1978: Eleven imposters to the throne pose before the picture of the genuine spiritual master. Each poser "guru" has met with tragedy. and regret.

PADA: Yep, the first ones now will later be last. I feel bad for them, because Sri Isopanisad says -- false acharyas go to the most obnoxious regions. Imagine what happens to these people -- who orchestrated banning, beating, molesting, suing and murders of vaishnavas. They are just going down to the bottom of the barrel level, and they will be the insects we find under the barrels. I do not wish anyone to be cursed, but they have cursed themselves.  

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KAILASA Update

PADA: Yep, after Kailasa ran off with half the money from the sale of the Berkeley farm, and half the cows, everyone said he wrangled his way into being a manager of the farm so he could steal the ISKCON's money just like the GBC gurus, and the cows ended up being kidnapped and he evidently had no plans to care for them. 

You never see him with these cows, and evidently you never will. He lied when he said he was going to care for them. Everyone said he is another cheater and ISKCON exploiter like all the rest of them. And never mind everyone was already fried with him for mistreating women. And now he says "there are no examples of anyone worshiping a pure devotee and Krishna who are dead, post mortem, and rigor mortis" because he thinks pure devotees and Krishna are post mortem, while his living bag of stools is the only authorized source of speaking. 

We are not desperate at all, Kailasa exposed himself as another ISKCON money grabbing, cow kidnapping misogynist, and he has no respect here at all. Of course the ISKCON money grabbing, cow kidnapping and misogynists are attracted to him, but they are the extreme minority these days. And that explains why the GBC were handing out KD's papers, great minds think alike, and so do bad ones. Misognyists love other misogynists, and that is going on among ISKCON leaders, and among the people who act like them. ys pd

OM: Man, ain't you desperate or what?! Go step outside the house, at least one step. Inhale some breath of fresh air ... Some sunbathe also... And relax. Because this ain't your birthday party.

PADA: Hee hee, like I said cattle rustling, ISKCON money grabbing misogynists stick together. ys pd

OM: "As Kailasa-Chandra indicated above, neither Sulochan nor his best friend Puranjana were considered strict devotees. Eric Johanson (formerly Vrindaban-Chandra Maharaja), a disciple of Hamsadutta who served at the Berkeley temple, recalled, “It was a well known fact around Berkeley temple that Puranjana dasa was a staunch critic of the zonal acharyas. Puranjana dasa and Sulochan dasa were [also] well known around the Berkeley temple for watching TV and not being all that serious about sadhana, spiritual practice.”

However, due to Kailasa-Chandra’s association, Sulochan became stricter about following the Vaishnava sadhana and again began chanting on beads, eight rounds daily.

PADA: Which is how Kailasa helped get Sulochana killed, by saying Sulochan was a "not following" TV watching fringie, which is what the GBC people said. We had no TVs, this is total fabrication. He was living in a van, he had no electricity even. 

And the person giving this testimony, Eric Johanson, was worshiping Hansadutta, who was drinking Vodka, taking percodans, and he was having affairs with half dozen women. Surely we should listen to his version as full truth. And this is what you guys think is "strictly following" -- worshiping a sexual predator drunk, who said Kirtanananda is the only pure devotee on the planet. 

Kailasa was not in Berkeley helping Sulochana, he was on the farm plotting on taking money and cows, and he did. Kailasa and his followers were painting Sulochan as a crazy fringie, to make him a target ... and they still are saying he was a TV fringie ... and that is why the GBC loves KD's writings ... 

Hee hee, like I said cattle rustling, ISKCON money grabbing misogynists stick together. Sorry, we are exposing you guys also on national public TV. ys pd

LM BVKS: You expose yourself so why not others others eh? Those without sin throw the first stone. If this is your life then may the Lord have mercy on you. Hare Krishna.

PADA: I have nothing to expose of myself? The CBS newslady told me, the GBC / BVKS "guru" is covered with the hands of boys, because this is a pedo-worship cult, she is evidently more advanced than all the ISKCON leaders put together, and she is not even a vegetarian. I am equal to someone like her, at least I have some standards. 

I never said people who eat hamburgers are without sins, I said they have less sins than the GBC guys because they do not worship deviants and pedos. And Om is citing Eric Johanson, who was worshiping Hansadutta, a drunk who was having affairs with half dozen women, nice authorities you guys got here! ys pd

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Govinda Dasi -- ISKCON Titanic / Mayapur Apologists / Farm Project 05 08

Krishna Art by PADA

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Govinda Dasi / THE ISKCON TITANIC

The sirens are blaring full blast right now and many will jump ship entirely, to drown in the watery depths of samsara. But many will head for the lifeboats, if there are indeed some provided. Some will believe one way, others will believe another way. But many will lose faith completely.

The crisis is clearly here. Yes, Prabhupada left Gaudiya Matha and started his own movement. But GM wasn't molesting and murdering little children, to my knowledge. We have a different story here. There will be different outcomes. Probably more dramatic. Like jail?

PADA: Some people have criticized PADA over the years, that we are being "overly dramatic" with our saying many ISKCON children have been victims of an orchestrated pedophile cult. "Just a few isolated instances" they say. OK but here someone implies the GBC regime has been molesting and -- even murdering little children by one means or the other. In any case, there clearly has been molesting, and there has been suicides of victims, in one way or other ... people have lost their lives. OK it could be said this is a form of murder.

Devotees have lost faith in the leaders. Whether appointed or not appointed is no longer the issue. 

PADA: Yep, who cares if the leaders were "appointed" as messiahs and sum total of the demigods acharyas of the jagat, or ritviks, or just mundane institutional Governing Body managers, whatever nomenclature and designation they had, or they thought they had, they failed to manage the society properly. And the result is a massive cloud of doubt over their management. And worse, people are wondering why many of them are not in jail. Of course we all know Yamaraja has his own jail for deviants.

If they believe they were appointed, then they lose faith in Prabhupada, in his divinity, his ability to see into the situation and the characters involved. 

PADA: First problem with people saying the ISKCON GBC's conditioned souls -- and / or no small amount of prone to deviate leaders -- are "appointed" to be worshiped as Krishna's successors, i.e. as Krishna's shaksat hari tvena equals in purity, that would make Krishna a mundane conditioned soul prone to deviate, if He and His successors are SHAKSAT equals (deviants). 

To advertise an impure person to be equal to God in quality, makes God impure, and this is an insult to God. Of course M Dasi says her dog is more pure than their gurus, because her dog is not harming any children, ever, and her dog would never even think of harming a child. Ever! That means the GBC and their ICC bureau are not advanced enough to worship her dog. Of course, by dint of recurring births, they might elevate to the advanced post of dog pooja in another many lifetimes.

If they believe in the hijacking, deliberate hijacking, of the movement, the devotees, and the properties (which does bear truth due to the way the rule of inheritance law was used to obtain them) then they can go forward with a belief that Prabhupada was simply surrounded by a band of thieves at the end of his life, and coerced into a situation by them.

There is a LOT of evidence for the latter scenario — like his deliberately thwarted desire to have all his disciples come to his bedside — prevented by those who had him surrounded. 

PADA: Yep, a criminal take over is the more likely scenario, and there is a lot of evidence he was complaining about being poisoned.

I personally know of several people who were there in Vrindaban at that time. Baradraj, Siddhasvarupa, Goursundar, Chandhi, Chaitanya Bhagavat, and others I did not know as well—all have told me the same stories of those days—the private meetings of the zonals, the duplicity, the intense mood. The guards at the door.

Guru Kripa isn't my favorite person but his testimony matches the rest of them. He is honest; he has no Iskcon income or guruhood to protect. 

After Srila Prabhupada left, when Baradraj returned to LA, he asked the devotees, “Why didn't you come, Prabhupada was calling all his disciples, why didn't you come?”  Rameshvar admitted to counseling the devotees not to go to Vrindaban, “to save the movement, to keep the marathon going, to keep the money coming in for the mortgages,”—all essentially for money. (According to Ameyatma’s testimony.)

That Los Angeles lie also prevented my going to Vrindaban. I could have gone at that time. Had I known that Prabhupada was calling us, I would have hopped a jet that very day.

Even in a court of law only the final will of the deceased is honored. Not the will written even a few months before. There are valid reasons why people change their wills toward the end of life. It is a fact that the dying often develop some special insights; sometimes they discover truths about people previously unknown to them. 

I do not say that in regards to Srila Prabhupada since I believe he could read everyone’s mind and heart and knew exactly what and who he was dealing with. From day one. But what could he do? He was surrounded. “Better to be killed by Rama than by Ravana.” No oxcart was provided.

Whatever the case historically, NOW is the time for true leaders to step forth. Leaders that truly love Srila Prabhupada. If ever there was a need for truth it is now! If ever there was a need for Prabhupada’s faithful servants, it is now! If ever there was a need for cohesion it is now!

Yes, home programs should be encouraged. But what do we do with the several thousand sincere devotees on the decks of the Titanic right now? Do we abandon them? Tell them to “go home and chant Hare Krishna?” Most of them dont even have homes to go to! They live in ashrams, temples, vans, tents, even suitcases. 

In Iskcon, only the very fortunate have homes, especially those that hold positions in the hijacked mission. And 6-digit salaries. Those are likely to be the ones to throw everyone overboard in order to maintain the corrupt system. The coming economic collapse should take care of that. Good timing, Krishna. 

So we need to pray for direction: how to provide lifeboats for the faithful, and how to point everyone in the direction that matters — toward Srila Prabhupada. If we are sincere, and not hell-bent and determined to be “right”, and simply ask for guidance in a humble spirit, we may get the help needed. It’s called surrender.

Remember, the sinking of the Titanic was preplanned. Planned by those who wanted to create the Federal Reserve to take over the assets of the United States. It was all about money and control. Think about that for a while. And think about who did it. There are uncanny similarities.

PADA: Yep. Govinda Dasi was in charge of the "ISKCON History Forum" and when I got on there, I started to say that the GBC had only been appointed as proxies and not gurus. She started to attack me as a "ritvik snitvik." Then she handed over the forum to Ajit Krishnadas and Torben, and they kicked me off after telling me Jayapataka's obedient puppy Bhakti Vikas swami is bona fide. 

Oh oh pilgrims, see the article below on Mayapur apologists, showing Bhakti Vikas swami being one of them, or one of the main ones. In other words Govinda Dasi handed her forum over to the main apologists for the pedophile messiah's regime sabha in Mayapur. Then someone told me, she ALSO hangs out with the Narayan Maharaja people, and NM is another apologist for the regime and he has been Tamal's main cheer leader and bucket boy. If you want to know how we got to where we are now, it was the leaders -- and the acquiescing rank and file. 

I am not sure what her position is on all this now, or what can be verified about her situation with the NM camp, or whatever it is, but she never communicated anything to me after branding me as a bogus ritvik snitvik. Of course these Ajit and Torben type of people commonly say to PADA -- "there are no examples in shastra of anyone worshiping a pure devotee." 

Hee hee, but there are plenty of examples of their people -- who worship an anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club. Yep we have to stop worshiping pure devotees so we can worship JPS's / BVKS's / Ajit Krishna's / and Torben's / pedophile / child beating and anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club. 

Why is Govinda Dasi handing things off to them, and not us? Umm, because we don't worship anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's clubs. Or what is the explanation? None is ever given. OK never mind, we will explain what happened ourselves.

It looks like Govinda Dasi is waking up here somewhat, and that is good news, however she waited until the ship was 3,500 feet under water -- and most of the passengers either died or dispersed to who knows where -- which is a little late in the game. But hey, better late than never, and credit should be given when it is due. 

Sorry, the ritvik snitviks have been right all along, you'll have to worship a pure devotee -- or you are doomed, and so is your society doomed, and the children of said society are doomed, and so on and so forth. The ritvik snitviks are the main people who were blowing the warning fog horn here since 1978, but they did not want to heed our alerts, to their peril. 

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RE: Pankajanghri das

A devotee: The last time I saw Pankajanghri prabhu in person was in December 2019. That was, incidentally the last time I saw HH Bhakti Caru Swami as well. Because I attended HH Bhakti-vidya Purna Swami's morning classes, I missed the temple Bhagavatam classes and hadn't heard from Jananivas and Pankajanghri prabhus. I learned that he gave a Caitanya-caritamrta class for the Chinese devotees so I made a point to attend before leaving the Dham. I was so pleased to receive cake prasadam at the end.

PADA: Good question. Did he know about Bhakti Vidya Purna's atrocious behavior with children? OK these people are hanging out with Bhakti Vidhya Purna swami, and Pankajanghri was part of the Mayapura upper level senior devotees. The real question for me is, how did they not know? 

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Mayapur Apologists Association.

AC: How to provide justice and protection for the opressed ones in a society where it's leaders feel more sympathy for the abuser than for a victim? Isn't this tolerance encouraging the opressors to continue and commit even more of their abominable activities?

I wish those statements by Iskcon leaders on former BVPS's crimes were not true.

BHAKTI VAIBHAVA SWAMI

“My objection is . . . related to the fact he is being removed from the gurukula in Mayapur … forbidden to lecture in any ISKCON center. This year in Mayapur I felt very sad and indeed emotional, having to watch BVPS packing his things and leaving for good. I felt sad and wrote my letter of protest to Dhira Govinda prabhu that I cannot financially support such actions.”

“I want to see some balance in light of his outstanding service he has rendered over the many years.”

“You have to respect the moral rights of a sannyasi. To abuse a child is a crime and to abuse a sannyasi is a crime as well according to sastra.” (2000)

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BADRINARAYAN SWAMI

“I don’t want to make BVP Maharaja’s life harder or soil his reputation further. I respect him as a preacher… I do not want to make a bad situation even worse by putting the above out into the public record.” (2000)

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KAVICANDRA SWAMI

“BVPS tried to rectify the issue by making a nice school and treating boys nicely.” (2000)

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KADAMBA KANANA SWAMI

“Deep down in his heart he knows he’s a devotee and that he stepped over the line, and therefore he knows that he’s being punished and that he deserved it, and in this way he’s still a devotee, he’s still saintly.”

“As far as the ‘api cet sudaracaro’ verse, to debate whether it’s applicable or not in this situation, is not very important.” (2022)

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SRI PRAHLAD

“What I deny is the degree of physical abuse claimed by the victims. I also deny the need for punishment, as Maharaja has already been purified and reformed.” 

(2000)

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First CPO Director Dhira Govinda speaking on Anirdesya Vapu’s (BVP) child abuse case (2022):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98VdfY86PUw

SIVARAMA SWAMI

Sivarama Swami dismissed BVP’s decades of child abuse saying “But he gave 50 years of his life to ISKCON, and his abuse aside, he did valuable service.”
Sivarama Swami asked the GBC what kind of financial package would be set up for BVP.

As well as, "How can an abuser also be saintly—good GBC discussion topic. Its there in our main scripture and we can’t ignore it. At least I can’t. Nor should any devotee." (2022)

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HRIDAYANANDA SWAMI

“Following up on Sivarama Swami’s clear, strong statement…” See above. (2022)

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BHAKTI VIKASA SWAMI

“This all happened many years ago, and see what he has done in the meantime. Anyone who wants to blame him should go and see what he has done in Mayapur . . . Bhakti Vidya-purna Swami has developed that gurukula and he has done something wonderful.

"We might also consider one statement of Krsna’s in the Bhagavad-gita (9.30): api cet su-duracaro, bhajate mam ananya-bhak / sadhur eva sa mantavyah, samyag vyavasito hi sah. Even if one commits abominable activities, if his resolution is to serve Me only, such a person, Krsna says, must be considered a sadhu. Do we want to edit this out of Bhagavad-gita? Is there some crime which is unforgivable?” (2016)

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Farm Project

Hare Krsna Maharajas and Prabhus,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

We'll be having a mini slide show of pictures taken this month and last month on our farm. Devotees who join when the meeting starts will get to be some of the first people to see pictures of Bhumi's kittens! Plus our greenhouse bounty and the first brassica beds all planted! Visiting the farm is like summer camp for all ages: petting the cows, beautiful horses, a vintage tractor and vintage devotees. Plus prasadam.

We haven't been milking a cow lately due to my health, but the farmer who we buy our milk from called a couple of days ago and donated 7.5 gallons of milk that had been briefly frozen. I made shrikhand and will make most of it into curd and fromage blanc. We've been discussing ajnata sukriti, which also came up in our Bhagavatam class.

Please join our Zoom meeting this evening at 5:30 - 7:00 pm Pacific Daylight time! New Nandagram Farm Community is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

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Intention: We hope that our Zoom meetings will enliven devotees to take up our spiritual master’s mission with renewed enthusiasm in light of the current strong attacks by the demons who think they’re the doers!

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This Group Meeting will be held by the servants of the New Nandagram Farm Community in Western Washington state. 5:30 Meeting called to order/introduction of attendees/ group prayers. 5:40 Opening thoughts/current events (barnyard stories) with reading from 'Make Vrndavana', compiled by the late Gopinatha Acharya Das.

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Where is the Anger? / ISKCON Psycho-babble / Women's Dharma ETC. 05 08

Narasimgha Jayanti Vrndavan.

If Krishna Gets Angry Over Child Abuse,

Shouldn't We? 

AD: Where is the anger?

Well the excuses the GBC provides are the type of excuses one would tell to a child-like mentality person, or to a person one considers not very inteligent. They are making fools of us all. They don't provide better excuses because they don't have any. They are just perfectly aware ... or even more aware of the situation then we are. They count on the silence and stupidity of the majority of blind people. Practically like our politicians in the government. That's exactly the same types of excuses i read from our politics in the news.

The sooner we realize these excuses are not so dumb -- because of their lack of intelligence -- but rather a calculated and organized silent declaration of how they intend their abusive system to continue, then the better it is for ISKCON's children. They should know what is going on and they are covering it up ... or they are dumb as rocks. I think they know.

How many "maharajas" and "prominent" leaders with nice positions actually signed the latest letter which is asking those responsible to resign? Probably a big protest like in France right now but against child abuse would be something that can only save the next generation of abused children. I wonder for how long we are going to be fooled like that. 

Each day that passes by ... under their law, how many more children are sodomised. Instead of distributing books to a non devotee part of society on the streets maybe we should start to distribute the testimony of Vedasara, but to the devotees. Clearly most of the devotees didn't even read it or not care enough to make a huge protest. 

It's just impossible to imagine the child abuse going on and the tolerance for it in the last 40 years but at the same time it is also difficult to imagine and understand how after so many dumb excuses there is not somebody who will make a protest and get very angry. I'm sure that after everybody finally realising how they are fooling us, a solution would come much faster if a large group of concerned devotees appear with a microphone and big speakers in front of the temples. 

Just like at the government protests. Stating the facts, reading their absurd statements and excuses, reading the testimonies. Presenting iskcon history as it is. The essence of what is being discussed should be spoken publicly on a big protest. Then hopefully enough people will understand and help to stop this.

PADA: Yep, rather oddly, many devotees were very angry -- at me -- for exposing the molesting, book changes, poison issue and numbers of other crimes. If there had been actual anger at the perps and their enablers, the crooks would have been charged with crimes a long time ago. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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ISKCON's New Age Psycho-babble

DD: Sri Caitanya Deva has stated that the fifth goal of life is love of Krishna, prema pum-artha mahan. Nothing else should be the goal of one’s life. Sense gratification and the cultivation of all things not actually related to Krishna’s service such as: 

astrology, palmistry, reiki, frivolous sports, gemology, crystal worship, UFO abductions, conspiracy theories, women’s liberation, channeling, past life regressions, body building, boji-stones, colonics, blue-green algae diets, grape fasts, self-urine therapy, hollow Earth theories, pyramids, ouja boards, pendulums, exorcism, numerology, tarot cards, copper plate Babas, tantric practices, Machiavellian politics, Coveyian management systems and new age prophecies are actually a waste of time because they do not directly foster love of Krishna. Unfortunately we see these thing filtering into ISKCON, never mind the Radhanath / Hindu "motivational speakers" program.

If we want love of Krishna, then we should take to chanting the holy name as our life’s occupation. (Note: The above mentioned non-Krishna related topics are unfortunately very popular among many western Vaisnavas including gurus and sannyasis.)

In the time of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura and also during the time of my Guru Maharaja, Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada there was no other focus for their disciples other than chanting the holy name and distributing the chanting of the holy name to the fallen souls. Now in the absence of these great personalities many ‘isms’, false doctrines and non-Krishna conscious practices have all but consumed a major section of the western Gaudiya Vaisnavas. 

If the Krishna consciousness movement wants to truly get back on track then it would be advisable for its members to take up again the holy name as the central focus and abandon all activities not recommended in sastra by the previous acharyas.

It is especially disheartening to see senior disciples and sannyasis of Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada traveling around the world delivering seminars on astrology, rekhi, UFOs, channeling, motivational talks, relationships counselling, and other non-Krishna conscious topics. The fact of the matter is that the dovetailing process of our material propensities and material desires is slowly but surely suffocating the Hare Krishna movement. 

Due to extreme attachment to these non-Krishna activities it is difficult these days to find the association of devotees who are prepared to make the necessary self-sacrifices to improve this movement.

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Women's Stri Dharma  

PADA: Ok well the "men" sannyasas in ISKCON created a huge molesting program -- which I had to help have the GBC sued in 1986 for $3M and later on in 1997 for $400M, and instead of cleaning up Mayapur they simply added more trouble makers. 

And now I am working with mainly a group of ladies to challenge them -- again. And I was interviewed already for many mass medias already, and I am being interviewed again this fall by a major TV network. My conclusion is -- that the ISKCON men as a class -- lack discrimination. 

And that is why the gang of four sannyasas kicked me out of ISKCON in 1979 for opposing their false acharya, who was having affairs with married women and he was offering LSD to the shalagram. When a famous CBS TV newslady interviewed me in 1986, she showed me footage her crew filmed at New Vrndavana -- of a huge "Jaya Bhaktipada" kirtan. 

And he was sitting on a big seat covered with the hands of -- maybe two dozen boys. And she said, before we start I have to ask, "is this pedo - heaven"? I said "yep it is." And she said -- thank goodness we met you, none of the other several hundred people we interviewed agreed, at least one of you Hare Krishnas sees what is going on. So people see what they want to see. 

She also said, many of the mothers at New Vrndavana had totally different looking kids which means, these women were "passed around" to different men. I said yep, very possible, that is what happened to Sulochana's wife. Later on "People Magazine" used a cover photo of Kirtanananda sitting on his seat with many boys, so they obviously saw the obvious. That newslady said, "if this was going on in my Church, I would go up there and pull that man off his seat all by myself, I would not care about my safety, I would not tolerate this. Why don't your people read the Bhagavad Gita? 

They are supposed to fight for justice. Yep, so if she could see what was what in about two seconds, anyone else could. People see what they want to see, the emperor has fine clothes, or no clothes, depends on the sincerity of the viewer. She was sincere, she got it immediately. In sum, to say that we need to rely on the men to make things go correctly, has not worked. If the men class actually were doing their job, none of this would have happened. In sum, the CBS newslady figured out everything in two seconds, when many ISKCON men never did, because she understands dharma, worshiping bogus people is adharma and not dharma. In sum dharma is eternal, it never changes and anyone who follows is a dharmi, and anyone who doesn't is adharmi. ys pd

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Arming psychos is not the problem? 

PADA: Perfect sense. The reason the USA has on average 600 mass shootings per year, and maybe more than that this year, is because -- the USA hands off industrial military grade assault weapons and thousands of rounds of ammo -- to mentally ill people, drug addicts, and the evil class of people. Should we stop giving these kinds of weapons to these kinds of people? Nope. That would restrict their "freedom."    

Sorry, if you'd want to place that amount of firepower into the hands of the mentally unstable, drug addicted and evil people, then you are making the problem more than the mentally unstable people, because you are their empowering and enabling help mates. Is it sane to give that degree of fire power to the mentally unhinged? Maybe not! Just saying. "Well it is a mental health issue," ummm so you want the mentally deranged to be armed to the teeth? 

Same thing with placing loaded guns into the hands of toddlers, and then someone gets killed, is it the fault of the toddler -- or the people who gave guns to the toddler? The USA was supposed to have a well regulated armed militia, that does not include the crazy town insane folks. Did I forget to mention that empowering the crazy town folks with assault weapons makes the whole USA look crazy town to other countries, never mind it is placing everyone in peril. 

ISKCON has a similar sort of problem. They make / empower / enable mentally unstable people into their acharyas and messiahs who are -- ok just not that glued together -- or they are just flat out insane, and there is a lot of trouble as a result.

ys pd

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Book Changes

MM: I have a few thoughts I want to share about book changes. Some people believe that it's okay to change Prabhupada's books if it will lead to a good outcome. They argue that the new editions helped many people become devotees and that the old editions had many pictures, which made them more expensive to print.

However, in my opinion, those individuals are missing the whole point of the Bhagavad Gita which is to give up proprietorship, cease playing Isvara and serve Krsna without consideration of good or bad results. By advocating for the "correction" of Prabhupada's words, they are committing guru aparadha, and are failing to imbibe Krsna's teaching about results:

"You have a right to perform your prescribed duty, but you are not entitled to the fruits of action. Never consider yourself to be the cause of the results of your activities, and never be attached to not doing your duty."

The same point could be made for the recent concern from certain leaders about chanting at Parliament. The result of chanting is always auspicious, and followers of Mahaprabhu should do it regardless of any perceived inauspiciousness (such as less government favor or less money). As Krsna says "Those who are attached to the fruit of their work are called misers"

Furthermore, the original version of the Bhagavad Gita may have had some mistakes but Prabhupada signed off on it which means it is done. You simply can't make a modified second edition of another authors book!

As for the art work..

The original Bhagavad Gita AS IT IS has a transcendentally attractive cover painting with a beautiful title. In comparison, the new editions are dull and underwhelming, with uninspired fonts and paintings that do not depict Krsna anywhere near as sweetly. These changes were made on the advice of a non-devotee marketing company, who couldn't even help distribute the books effectively.

If my painting made it into Prabhupadas's Gita I would be devastated if someone removed it. But regardless of my personal preference, opinions or their rationale behind the changes, it is simply not our place to alter Prabhupada's books - neither their content nor their artwork - after the author has left us. 

To do so is a grave offense.

Prabhupada's books are his legacy, entirely created by him, and should remain as he left them. This applies not only to his books, but also to his movement. If someone wants to change something, they should start their own movement. But as devotees of Srila Prabhupada, we should strive to keep his movement AS IT IS.
Thank you Garuda prabhu, Dhanesvara prabhu, Sitapati and Danna mataji for being champions of this conversation.

Discussion of ISKCON Mayapur 05 07

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/west-bengal-man-iskcon-monk-rape-sexual-harassment-nabadweep-mayapur-2375746-2023-05-06?

All the VIPS of the Mayapur Molester Crew

BD: TOVP. It is like a dysfunctional abusive Soap Opera entitled; “As the stomach turns”.

PR: TOVP = Temple of violent predators. 

UD: TOVP = Temple of Vile Pedophiles.

OM: Amazing that Hridaya Chaitanya uses 90% of his letter to speculate about the [abused] writer of the letter. Of course, a Bengali person who doesn't know English will ask for some help, to write such an important letter. And he uses another 9% of his letter to criticize the victims of abuse. The victim's financial situation ... or supposed misconduct regarding the land management ... does not have any to do with being abused. 

CK: You are so right! It is the content that should be the focus, not trying to demean the person who the abuse happened to or to heap abuse on other parties. Hrdaya Caitanya must think we are all mentally deficient not to see through his absurd response.

RD: And everyone much be mentally deficient to think that we don't all see the many, many layers of games that everyone in Mayapur management is playing.
Obviously this is only the exterior ... the same people have been playing these mind games for years, really for decades like this ... and they still think they can confuse and trick people.

OM: Thank you mata. Yes, let's keep the focus on the protection of the victim and independently do an Investigation about it.

AG: I saw Subekshsna today at 8 am, smiling like nothing is happening.....

GP: Big administration ... big money in one pot = big mess.

VD: It's a mess. Total mess. Nothing can be extricated from this mess without Divine intervention. It's a mess of their own doing. The GBC are 100% culpable in this mess and completely incapable of any rectification.

BB: The GBC does not want rectification, they are making WAY too much loot by running their corrupt program. This is all about control and money.

PD: Sulochan called the GBC the "Rectal-fication committee." They are experts at creating and causing an anal sex problem, they are not experts at fixing their problem. In other words, the GBC are the reason there is an anal sex epidemic problem in the first place, it is their self-created problem.

DL: How painful to read GBC Hrdaya Caitanya’s Prabhu’s letter. He is completely victim blaming and victim shaming. The letter says "My ISKCON initiated name is Sarvadeva Gopinatha Dasa but to put me down he has addressed me as Sri Rup Gosh, a ‘doubtful character.' "

AD: English is not my mother language many times in the past, and sometimes even now, I ask for help when I need to write something important. If the victim asked for a translator, what is the problem? Please. Let's keep focused : the main point is- is the content of the letter true? Who typed it doesn't matter at all.

DL: You have misunderstood my intention. Is Hridaya Caitanya making ad hominem attacks to deflect the real issues of corruption and ongoing sexual abuse of the young Bengali devotees?

OM: Yes! No doubt to me.

DD: The delegitimization of the accuser and his supporters has begun.

JD: Hrday Chaianya prabhu is in charge of the French yatra for the last 20 years.

YD: And we’ve seen the negative results ... 

GP: Many big temples in India get taken over by the government to manage the massive donations, if they messed up too much that may happen.

MD: I watched a film about Buddhism. Same issue there, molesting issue.

https://youtu.be/7I9sd-ZkYNE

Abuse in Buddhism | ARTE.tv Documentary

DD: It looks like Jagadartiha was stood down as a result of the Mayapur investigation.

DL: Good news... but how long before he is reinstated?

DD: A serious shake up is needed - let's see what Lord Gaurasundara has in mind

KC: I don't like to comment publicly, but you are so right. There is such clear misdirection in Hrdaya Caitanya's response to the devotee's letter. I don't want to get into it on social media, but I pray that Lord Caitanya's house gets cleaned up. New leadership is required in Mayapur. A big clean up is overdue.

SR: https://www.indiatoday.in/.../west-bengal-man-iskcon-monk...

Bengal man accuses Iskcon monk of rape, case filed

INDIATODAY.IN

Bengal man accuses Iskcon monk of rape, case filed

MK: Thanks, Prabhu; I'd read most of it ... now going to the papers though! That is good! A conflagration! Purification by fire?

PD: A few years ago Jayapataka conducted a huge initiation in Mayapur. Then he asked, how many of you cannot read and write? And maybe 1/3 raised their hands, indicating they cannot read and write. So then JPS said -- in future I would like all initiates to know reading and writing. In other words, they have many illiterate persons or poor villagers who have little ability to fight a big regime, easy to exploit. Every once in awhile some of his followers write me, and they have no clue what has been going on in ISKCON, he keeps them in ignorance. Even his Los Angeles devotees have little clue about the history. ys pd

I think I did a good job on earth.

Made a giant molester cesspool out of the dham.

Took karma from 50,000 people without authority.

Made an illicit sex messiah's club that bans,

beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas.

My work is nearly done here! 

angel108b@yahoo.com

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Gradations of Guru.

PADA: Yep, some of Narayan Maharaja's GBC's gurus are engaged in illicit sex with men, some with women, some with children, some are drug addicts, some drink Vodka, some are porno swamis, lots of gradations here! But no one can worship Srila Prabhupada or else they are "ritvik poison." Told ya! ys pd 

angel108b@yahoo.com  

Who is Responsible? / A Nice Letter / Shanti Mantra (VIDEO) 05 06

What is the responsibility of those who tolerate child abuse?

"There was a poetry by Rabindranath Tagore. The purport of the poetry, that one who is mischievous, he is culprit, but one who tolerates mischievous activity, he is also culprit. If you are mischievous, you are criminal. But if you tolerate mischievous activities that is also criminal."
Srila Prabhupada May 3rd, 1973.

https://vanisource.org/.../730503_-_Morning_Walk_-_Los...

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VKD: Here’s a beautiful email we received from one of our godbrother’s. 

Hare Krishna prabhus. 

Please accept my pranams, I was only 13 when I joined with my mother at New Govardhan farm in Australia in May 1977. Sometime in early October that year, as Prabhupada’s health worsened, our TP Sabhapati prabhu said we were to start kirtan around the clock (in shifts), in sinc with all the other ISKCON temples in Australia and around the world. We were engaged in 24 hour kirtan for weeks and in rotations, hoping the worldwide chanting would give Prabhupada the strength to get better. 

Then on November 14 Sabhapati prabhu came into the temple room with tears in his eyes, with the words, “Prabhupada has left his body!” WOW! I’ll never get to meet him! I still remember clearly within only hours after Srila Prabhupada’s departure, the worldwide directive filtered down from our temple president (and all temple presidents back then) to all devotees, was that now we were to take shelter of Prabhupada’s “Vani incarnation”. 

That was the directive then and there! 

Not that other gurus (Westerners or otherwise) would come up through the ranks and become elected to take over from Prabhupada. Not as gurus! What happened!? (now we all know what happened). And then, even before the end of the year, there were whispers of Prabhupada’s being poisoned. 

These days, with so much proof gathered over the years, it seems most certain it [poisoning] was a fact, 110%. The point I’d most humbly like to make (or suggest), with heavy heart and tears in my eyes and head at the feet of the vaisnavas, is that the external energy has presented so many side-tracks to me (to us) over the years. 

Maya has expertly designed various methods, both false and true to divert us from focusing on becoming Krishna Conscious. Maya is so expert and sneaky, she does it without us even realising. And our minds are so weak and fickle due to association with the material energy since time immemorial, we just accept, “O let me accept this new side track, O let me accept that new side track”. 

And in the meantime, our duration of human life is running out! Maya has won again. And again and again another birth. There are so many topics, whether about the bogus elected guru system (which, of course is true and should be brought out into the light for all to see), or the poisoning, or the moon landing hoax or “Killing For Krishna” or, or, or . . . . . It’s about emphasis. 

When it comes to sidetracks it doesn’t mean they’re lies -- but they have diverted us from our real business. Of course, when it comes to our beloved spiritual master, who is a direct representative of Lord Nityananda Himself, and even more so, the only one who is, out of his own causeless mercy, actually giving us the tools and means to cross this ocean of birth and death and placing our heads directly at the lotus feet of Radhe-Sham, any abuse or atrocities committed against him should never be tolerated. 

We will become ferocious. Naturally this needs to be acknowledged and the perpetrators dealt with, just as Lord Nrsimha eradicated the demon Hiranyakasipu, but then we must get on with the task of becoming Krishna Conscious ourselves and preaching straight up Krishna Consciousness. 

Not that we let these topics define us and become diversions or stumbling blocks on the path back to Krishna as Srila Prabhupada chiselled out for us. Srila Prabhupada wouldn’t have wanted that. We can easily let a separate focus place our spiritual lives on hold, “pause button” and our ability to carry out Srila Prabhupada’s mission. 

In every single case, we should always ask ourselves, “What would Srila Prabhupada do?” “What would Srila Prabhupada say?” “What would Srila Prabhupada’s instruction to me be?” What would Srila Prabhupada want our focus to be? Even though I joined young, went to gurukula in Vrindaban for some time, then did some pujari work in Mayapur and in Australia in the 80’s and ended up learning Bengali quite fluently, at some point, due to bad association, I became materially engrossed, performed all sorts of nonsense and ended up on “pause button” for a very, very long time. 

So I know what this “pause button” smells and tastes like. It made me realise that I’m truly no one very special at all. In fact, I’m someone quite unspecial! I was given so much mercy and had learned so much from so many. I even felt myself quite dedicated. But maya isn’t always gross and obvious and in your face. She is very subtle. She comes in disguise. 

Now I am in my 60th year (a baby in comparison to many of you exalted souls) but somehow, by the causeless mercy of Srila Prabhupada and some pretty amazing vaisnavas friends, I wake up early again (before my business goes crazy and takes over my day), I have increased my chanting and reading and feel I am slowly getting back on track (little steps). I eagerly tune in to the weekly Caitanya Caritamrita classes (work permitting) and play them back when possible if I miss them. 

I feel I derive much benefit from hearing Prabhupada’s lectures and the discussions and points made by the assembled vaisnavas. Please forgive me if I seemed partially (or fully) off track or my siddhanta not quite correct. Feel free to grant me a better perspective. With a blade of grass between my teeth and head at the feet of the true devotees, I pray for the mercy and blessings of the vaisnavas, for nothing else in this world has the power of deliverance. 

Thank you prabhus! 

KP: I was following Srila Prabhupada outside of ISKCON from 1974 to 1978. I read in the newspaper in 1977 that Srila Prabhupada had departed. I knew nothing about what was announced after his disappearance. Only after I got initiated later then I found out about the Guru hoax.

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PADA: This is a mantra I heard in a 1960s "Head Shop" -- and I was attracted to the sanskrit mantra idea -- before I heard about Hare Krishna. This is a very nice version. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

Madhavendra Puri / Missing Kid / Therapy / Veganism 05 06

Madavendra Puri Tithi

Srila Prabhupada’s Hare Krishna Society » Sripad Madhavendra Puri Tirobhava tithi [Disappearance day] – Saturday, March 4, 2023 [Mayapura, West Bengal, Bharata Bhumi time] (krishnaconsciousnessmovement.com)

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Police Search ISKCON for Missing Minor Boy

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/bihar/story/patna-iskon-missing-minor-boy-bihar-police-probes-temple-authorities-2368272-2023-05-04?

PADA: Not looking good pilgrims. Will they find out more about the children situation in ISKCON?

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Professional therapy needed.

**** Dasi: This reminds me when MG expelled my son from ISKCON's gurukul in 2011 for his complaints of being abused, he strongly advised me not to get him counselling of any kind in the karmi world. just to give him strong guidance within krishna consciousness. At least Bhurijana recognised that counselling should be conducted by professionals.

PADA: Yep. When you come in contact with a molester messiah's program, you will need professional psychiatric help. And maybe a bottle of Vodka and some percodans. No kidding. 

At least Rambhouru Brinkman is on hand, she will fix you up with her nice molester messiah's project guru, so your kids can worship her illicit sex with men, women and children / anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club, and then she will give you "grief therapy" for following her advice. 

Her husband Prithu Brinkman was angrily grabbing our leaflets, ripping them up and tossing them on the ground, then stomping on Srila Prabhupada's photo on the cover. Self evidently -- anyone who is not worshiping their anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiahs is bogus, especially when they want to worship pure devotees instead. And that is why Prithu went high into the ISKCON upper elite's circles, he is another pedophile pooaja violent jack booter enforcer. 

Perfect business arrangement. We give you the grief, we cure the grief. OK but who authorizes you folks to dish out grief to children from square one? And who will pay for the Vodka and percodans the victims might be in need of?

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PADA: Oh oh pilgrims, Vegan milk free devotees again ...


GK: Hare Krishna's should not use milk products, they should be vegans. 

DD: That's because you are just a fault finder and do not understand what real compassion means. It means following the orders of the spiritual master and then automatically all the animals will be benefited. 

Everyone in the Hare Krishna movement knows the goal is to have farms all over the world to protect cows and all animals and to utilize the way Lord Krishna has said the cow should be protected. Not that you just let her eat and get fat in the field and don't allow her to do service. same with the ox. I explained it to you before and I see others have tried but you just can't understand for some reason.

You are messing with God because you think you know better. There is a transition period until there's plenty of farms with protected cows but in the meantime… Only if absolutely necessary from unprotected cows… We make ghee and continue to offer milk to Krishna from the best possible sources we can find and if those cows get slaughtered we can know that they will only be slaughtered this one last life and not thousands of lives. (they just got saved from thousands of future slaughters). 

Why? because their milk and cheese has been offered to the Lord and they have been saved from future lives of slaughter. Devotional service is all auspicious. All action is for good. There is nothing negative and devotional service if done properly according to the orders of the spiritual master.

They are meant to be slaughtered over and over again. That spirit soul gets liberated when the milk is offered to Krishna. why is that so hard for you to understand? Because you are not able to understand you become very blasphemous and offensive. 

So during the transitional period still the cows will be benefited and they will be saved from thousands of such births. Your limited vision only lets you look at this one birth and you think you are a do-gooder.

Actually that spirit soul is meant to suffer slaughter over and over again so you don't even really save it from this one birth. You just delayed it because still all the births will have to be met with slaughter that is meant with their karma since that spirit soul most likely slaughtered animals in his past life so now he is taking the body to be slaughtered.

You just have a very limited perspective of what spiritual life means so therefore you jump around Facebook trying to condemn all the devotees. I really don't want to take time to try to explain it to somebody who definitely cannot understand. others can see you don't understand ... because it has been explained to you over and over again but you are very immature and not able to understand spiritual topics. 

So keep on trying to save the animals from this one life of slaughter (which is futile because you're just delaying it). Nobody wants to see it happen but you need to raise your intelligence a little bit if you really want to stop it learn how to be effective. Do you think manipulation of the material energy is the way to stop it? You just don't get it and you can't get it because you have a very closed mind and shallow understanding of spiritual life. Everyone got it way back when Srila Prabhupada was here. He only had to explain it once and we all understood what to do.

PADA: Unfortunately, there would not be any cows anywhere in the USA, without the modern cow industry. Devotees almost always purchase their cows from the professional dairy industry or other cow businesses, because there are no other cows. To say there are some cruelty free cows roaming around somewhere is not realizing the situation. 

Meanwhile my airline pilot neighbor who used to fly commercial aircraft to India said, he would rather be a cow here in the USA, because in India the cows suffer too much and no one cares for them. At least the cows here get some attention, food water etc. 

It is also true that Srila Prabhupada said that when we offer dairy to the deity, the cow is benefitted. That will save that cow from many other future sufferings in future lives. In other words, not offering their milk to Krishna is also cruel punishment. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

A Plan to Save ISKCON (DA Das)

DA Das

The root of it goes into the 11 at the top having usurped the Guru position, and then making it the norm to USE the guru-authority to empower those who worshipped them as-good-as-god -- to then drive out from the temples all who would not worship them with blind faith, especially the disciples of Srila Prabhupada who could see right through their farce.

So that became the norm. Keeping THEIR PERSON in charge was all important, and good administration was never a concern, because they had acted as HEIRS & INHERITORS of Srila Prabhupada's assets (becoming the new owners they were & are free to do as they like with the assets, when the truth is -- they were merely replaceable Trustees! Srila Prabhupada made it crystal clear in his DEFINITION of the GBC that the person who happens to be Trusted is not important, and that whatever power he has came to him only from Srila Prabhupada THROUGH the Trust.

GBC Definition:

https://www.canva.com/.../_SffccQ2MJdQa7UymF_b1g/view...

This would apply equally well to the BBT.

So it has been our own silence collectively that has allowed them to STEAL the assets of Srila Prabhupada (Books by the BBTI Inc and Temples / Manpower by the 'Iskcon GBC Society West Bengal') right under our noses.

Here is the legal lesson we all need to have so we can unite and act decisively as one to remove all the failed trustees of both trusts them take away from them all this unauthorized power they have placed upon their own persons - www.bit.ly/savebbt39 'Rights - Duties of Trust Beneficiaries'. We are acting as irresponsible Trust Beneficiaries so long as we don't unite to replace them with new Trustees who shall be under our collective control. We are betraying the Trust Srila Prabhupada placed in us.

HDG was not fearful of criticising the GBC. No! Capture his mood from these 15 slides - swipe to see all -

www.bit.ly/GBCmisconduct

Whatever resolutions they passed that were not authorised or within the limited powers given to them by Srila Prabhupada is not binding upon us. We have foolishly allowed this "Vaishnava culture" of obeying Guru and respecting sannyasis to enable them

WE ARE THEIR ENABLERS! When we wake up to this, their days in power are numbered. It really is as simple as that! Just have faith in the Trusts Srila Prabhupada set up and reset everything exactly back to the way HDG set it up - put in new Trustees and monitor and control them - this in one stroke we shall undo all this ness they have done.

Let each and every temple hold their own elections and there will be a fairly smooth transition of power after 3 to 4 elections at best! Truth, Srila Prabhupada and Lord Nrsimha are on our side. So win we must!

It is only A) our sectarian HATRED for each other that is making us cause pain to Srila Prabhupada; & B) our desire to also control the process of initiation which they now have - either to give so-called diksha or to stop it -- these keep us divided and block us from acting rationally!

Solution for A) is love every human who loves Srila Prabhupada and respect their differences of opinions and affiliations with other entities.

Solution for B) is

Realise that what Institutions call Diksha is not real Diksha but mere branding / institutional rubber stamping born of the fear of losing all manpower to 'the enemy camp'! Have faith... Krishna and Srila Prabhupada will pay your bills. And if they want to close down your temple or centre, let it go but don't stop chanting hare Krishna!

A deeper analysis of this big problem that we have ALL imbibed from the GBC is our desire to interfere with and control the process of initiation... when in truth it is a personal relationship between two consenting adults just like marriage.

Why do we do this? How did we get infected? Because the current system misUSES Guru Order to control the manpower and run the temple, instead of using the simple democratic process that Srila Prabhupada gave us in the DOM - conduct local elections with no GBC interference to elect TP, Secretary and Treasurer. This is mission drift... It means that we think the purpose of opening a temple or a centre is to collect disciples! It is not: memorise these 7 purposes of Iskcon: www.bit.ly/SEVENPURPOSES

For a deep and humourous analysis of this Guru issue that can help us to accept this: DE INSTITUTIONALISE THE PROCESS OF KULA-GURU SO-CALLED DIKSHA.
Don't worry... People who progress to the point where they develop lobha for Prema will be guided by Lord Krishna to surrender to Srila Prabhupada and to any one whom they are attracted to who is serving Srila Prabhupada perfectly.

Whoever they take initiation from shall have nothing to do with the stability of our temple. ~

"na dhanam NA JANAM (don't want followers) na sundariim"

If we just act purely in Krsna consciousness and treat each other with love and respect, then millions will be attracted to the movement of Srila Prabhupada! We have to keep JDG in the centre and dissolve this present groups-of-personality-cults that it has DEGENERATED into!

"I am a small nobody. What difference can I make?" Lots: learn about it here - www.bit.ly/savebbt46N

To know how the 11 GBC's who made themselves 'guru' for their own personal power and ambition, listen to videos by Rupanuga and Revatinandan Prabhu in this list of Painful History Videos - www.bit.ly/painfulhistory0 (In particular no's. 5 & 6).

Let their real history be known so that we can wake up and use the new generation VOTING-BASED SOCIAL MEDIA to unite us and help us trust each other by creating a new DAO version of Iskcon that none of us can steal control of. That will make us more wealthy and more powerful than the current power mongers and their cronies. 

Then we can start to take the Toys out of their grimy hands and return these stolen assets to the OBEDIENT devotional service of our Lord and Master His Divine Grace, Saviour of the Whole World, Sri Srimad A C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the illustrious Founder-Acarya of The International Society for Krishna Consciousness, the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust & the Bhaktivedanta Institute.

Hare Krishna

PADA: Yep, we enabled them by our compliance and acquiescing. Agreed. Many good points here. Everything starts with an informal seed group, or a steering committee, that has cohesion, and holds regular meetings to work out the details of reviving the original system. Most of the groups are currently scattered and are not coordinating efforts. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

Appearance of Radha Ramana Deity (+ VIDEO) 05 05

PADA: Yep, this is one reason we need to clean up Hare Krishna. People are then not going to worship Krishna in this life -- and they will fall back into the material pool. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

SRI RADHARAMANA JI APPEARANCE DAY

The Self-Manifested Deity - Seeing His devotee’s desire to increase His loving service, Lord Krishna responds in a most glorious way.

When Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu visited South India on His tour of the holy places, He visited the Sri Rangam Temple. In front of the Deity He chanted and danced in ecstatic sankirtana. The head priest of the Sri Rangam Temple, Sri Vyenkata Bhatta, was very much impressed with Sri Mahaprabhu’s love of God.

After Mahaprabhu’s kirtana, Vyenkata Bhatta invited Him to his house. There he requested Mahaprabhu to stay during the four months of Chaturmasya, which was soon to start. Mahaprabhu, as a sannyasi, accepted his request.

Vyenkata Bhatta directed his son, Gopala Bhatta, to render all services to Mahaprabhu during this period, and Gopala Bhatta with great sincerity took care of Sri Mahaprabhu’s every need. As a result he received great benefit by Mahaprabhu’s association. Being pleased with Gopala Bhatta’s devotional affection, Mahaprabhu gave him initiation and ordered him that after the disappearance (death) of his parents he should go to Vrindavana to live there, performing bhajana, devotional service, and writing books.

At the age of thirty, after his parents disappeared, Gopala Bhatta went to Vrindavana. When he reached there, he heard that Mahaprabhu had already visited Vrindavana and had returned to Puri. Hearing this, Gopala Bhatta was disappointed, thinking that Mahaprabhu had never ordered him to visit Him in Puri. Mahaprabhu, however, through Rupa Goswami and Sanatana Goswami, sent Gopala Bhatta His personal asana (seat) and cloth as signs of His blessings.

Later, when Gopala Bhatta heard of the disappearance of Mahaprabhu, he felt great separation from the Lord. But in a dream Mahaprabhu instructed him, “If you want My darshana, if you want to see Me, make a pilgrimage to Nepal.”

In Nepal, Gopala Bhatta visited the Gandak River and took his bath there. After his bath, he filled his waterpot, but was surprised to see that some shalagrama-shilas had entered it. He emptied them back into the river and refilled his water pot, but again he saw that some shalagrama- shilas had entered his water. pot. He emptied his waterpot one more time, and upon filling it a third time, he saw that now twelve shalagrama-shilas were there. Thinking that this must be some mercy of the Lord, he decided to bring all the shalagrama-shilas to Vrindavana.

Gopala Bhatta gave initiation to Gopinatha Dasa, a brahmacari who lived with him and rendered him all services.

One day a wealthy man came to Vrindavana and offered Gopala Bhatta all kinds of dresses and ornaments for his shalagramas. Gopala Bhatta, however, told him to give them to somebody else, since his shalagramas were of a round shape and therefore the dresses and ornaments could not be used.

This incident made Gopala Bhatta think deeply. It was Nrisimha Cahturdashi, the appearance day of Lord Nrisimhadeva, and Gopala Bhatta remembered how Lord Nrisimha, in His form as half- lion, half-man, had come out of a pillar. Gopala Bhatta prayed to the Lord, “O Lord, You are very merciful. You fulfill all the desires of Your devotees. I wish to serve You in Your full form.” He read the pastimes of Lord Nrisimhadeva in the Srimad-Bhagavatm, and after chanting in ecstasy he fell unconscious. The next morning he awoke to find that one of the twelve shalagramas, the Damodara shila, had manifested as Sri Radha Ramana. He informed Sanatana Goswami and Rupa Goswami.

Gopala Bhatta started serving Sri Radha-Ramanaji. After some years, however, he became concerned: after his disappearance, who would continue the service of Sri Radha- Ramana? He asked Gopinatha Dasa, his brahmacari disciple, to get married and take the service of Sri Radha- Ramana as a hereditary duty. Gopinatha Dasa did not want to marry but suggested his younger brother, who was married. Gopala Bhatta agreed and initiated him.

After the disappearance of Sri Gopala Bhatta Goswami, this disciple, known as Damodara Dasa Goswami, continued the worship of Sri Radha- Ramanaji. Since then the Goswami families descended from Damodara Dasa Goswami and, spiritually, from Gopala Bhatta Goswami have continued the worship of Sri Radha-Ramana very nicely in Vrindavana to this very day.

Before preaching in the West, Srila Prabhupada, the Founder- Acharya of ISKCON, was for many years a close friend of Sri Vishwambhar Goswami, an acharya in the line of Gopala Bhatta Goswami. Srila Prabhupada advised his devotees to learn the high standard of Deity worship and Vaishnava etiquette from the Sri Radha-Ramana Temple. Many times Srila Prabhupada visited the Sri Radha-Ramana Temple and was very much impressed.