Brazilian ISKCON Authorities’ Response on Gay Marriage Disingenuous (Krishna Kirti Dasa)

Brazilian ISKCON Authorities’ Response on Gay Marriage Disingenuous

On August 7, 2019

by Krishna-kirti Dasa

[PADA: Its odd that some people will criticize the ISKCON GBC and their acharyas, then they tell us its not bona fide for us to promote Srila Prabhupada as the exclusive acharya -- because we still need a "living guru."  OK but if your idea is that acharyas need to be corrected by your advice, you have not understood what is an acharya.]

ISKCON’s Gay Marriage Controversy is something like a movie franchise. It keeps coming back, and it gets promoted with great fanfare. Part I debuted in 2009, and the initial announcement of this year’s ISKCON gay marriage made sure to mention that and the brouhaha that surrounded it. The present debut of Part II launched with more fanfare–a writeup in the regional Brazilian online news site Razões Para Acreditar and glowing support from ISKCON leaders and priests in Brazil. The people at GALVA (Gay and Lesbian Vaisnava Association) are understandably excited about it (but to be fair, they get excited about a lot of things they shouldn’t be getting excited about).

What is different about Part II from Part I is that while Part I was done surreptitiously with little thought given beforehand as to how the larger body of ISKCON’s members might react, the actors in Part II seem to have had the public-relations angle already worked out. The responses from some Brazilian ISKCON officials have been surprisingly swift, as if they already knew ahead of time what they were going to say. They were locked and loaded for homophobic bear.

Overall, their responses so far have been disingenuous. Rama Putra Das writes that “the gay marriage as being an official act of ISKCON is fake news.” Why? Because “the ceremony happened in private space which does not belong to ISKCON.”Got that? If it happens outside of a temple property, then it’s somehow OK. So devotees can grill meat there and eat it so long as it’s not on an officially owned ISKCON property, right? But the problem is that gay marriage itself, like eating meat, is sinful, and it’s a pretty good bet that Rama Putra Das knows that this is what we think about it.

The next one is by Lokasaksi Das (ACBSP), who writes, “Bhakti House is not a ISKCON temple or even a ISKCON project. . . . This does not mean that we agree with other speakers and activities that was done there.” This is similar to the previous one, but the new twist here is that ISKCON officials don’t have any authority to do or say anything about devotees who do things they are not supposed to do when they do them outside of an official temple property. Really? If some ISKCON pujari ate meat at the Bhakti House and Lokasaksi Prabhu came to know about it, would he let him worship Deities at the temple? Of course not. He wouldn’t just say nothing and forget about the matter. The condemnation would be swift, and the action would be stern. But somehow, it’s different when it comes to illicit sex. How come?

By their responses, one can almost see them hopping up and down and chanting “Location, Location, Location,” like some sort of magical incantation intoned to dispel the criticism they are facing. Perhaps wearing Harry Potter robes and brandishing magic wands might give their spell a better chance of working. (And that would be sooo Krishna-West if they did that.) But it’s not about the location. It never was, and they know it.

So, what is it really about? It’s about what constitutes illicit sex. We use Srila Prabhupada’s definition of it, and they use some other definition. That’s what it comes down to. And they don’t want to talk about that.

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(English - Spanish)

Given the sex scandal revelations of Swami Bhakti Aloka Paramadvaiti, born Ulrich Harlan, and the private confession of his serious misconduct, we ask the leaders and all the international community of Gaudiya Vaishnavas to please evaluate the following points with great urgency:

1. Taking advantage of his powerful position as an Acharya or religious authority, B.A. Paramadvaiti has committed repeated offenses against multiple Vaishnavis for more than ten years! He has offended in a premeditated and systematic manner women who are either young, vulnerable or both. He has had illicit sex with them and has sexually assaulted them. Thus, many of these Vaishnavis are still confused, frightened and traumatized by the experience of a paternal figure abusing them.

2. This fault was not a single occasional fault but a secret way of life. B.A. Paramadvaiti has been continually betraying communal trust without any sign of shame. If the scandal had not come to light by Radhakunda, Prisni and Bhavani Dasis, B.A. Paramadvaiti likely would have continued with these types of offenses until the end of his life.

3. Those faults also mean a serious offense to the sannyasi-vesha or sacred garments of the whole sannyasa tradition. That is to say, it is a mockery in front of Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur and the nyasi-shiromani—Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu himself.

In the light of these concerns, we request the leaders and all members of the international community of Gaudiya Vaishnavas to demand B.A. Paramadvaiti do the following:

1. To publicly apologize, including through his official social networking sites, to the worldwide community of Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu’s followers. Protecting the victims’ identity, he should specify in what way he fell down and devoted himself to live promiscuously, not just give some generic statement about how he deviated from sannyasa-dharma.

2. To completely abandon all positions of honor, namely: step down from the sannyasa-ashram and no longer wear saffron colored vestments; to resign from the position of Acharya; to no longer serve as Guru (which implies not accepting the Vyasa-puja and vyasasana) and to no longer allow his disciples initiate in his name (ritviks).

3. Above all, he must privately make amends to all the women he violated expressing sincere, uninhibited remorse. Because it is reasonable to expect that some may not want any contact, such amends should be made through the medium of a neutral and professional third party. Should any victim be in need of psychological or physical help as a result of his abuse of power, he should offer some financial assistance even if that requires drastic changes on his part.

4. Making it clear to his disciples that these changes are, in fact, his desire, he must promise publicly and reliably that he will comply with all the above points.

Any Vaishnava who reads this petition should considers that, although it is possible that there will always be philosophical differences between our groups, in no way can we allow a Guru to become a sexual predator and walk with impunity among us. If we do not try to stop this trend, what will be the future that our daughters and sons will face? What kind of Vaishnavism are we building today?

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Conversation about Prabhavishnu's Apparent Guru Status

JND: This (Prabhavishnu swami) person is a cockroach for cheating devotees like this, and anyone who supports this is also a cockroach. Washing the feet of lowlifes who go to prostitutes in Thailand, and then pretending they are gurus and pure devotees is the worst deviation. This is the proof that ISKCON is infiltrated by asuras, as the GBC supports such people and protects them.
People will hate me for speaking honestly, but anyway most friendships in this world are fake. We have to speak the truth and not allow these people to destroy Srila Prabhupada's movement..

GGDA: Is he Prabhavishnu Prabhu?

PADA: Yes.

DS: - They are just wearing saffon cloth that's all. You are staying in South India. You know How the Mutt Sanyasis are?? Just compare whether these idiots are equal to them?? Rest leave to your Hanumanji > He know how to destroy them .. now days Iskcon is nothing but another catholic [voted in Popes] organisation.

DKD: I just remembered how Rohini Suta Pr. was banned because he married a disciple. He didn't do anything else wrong -- then this. But he seems to have much less support maybe because he is of more straight nature.

JND: And Rohini Suta was not a sannyasi. He decided to get married and follow regulations, but they banned him. Meanwhile some people on the insiders club go to prostitutes, get caught, and nothing happens to them.

PADA: Double standards?

RKD: Some idiot is saying, accidentally fall down. Empty can makes big sound .

JND: The reason is obvious, he knows about other [GBC] people doing the same thing, so they have to protect him and keep him in power. I can list half a dozen ISKCON leaders doing the same type thing in Thailand.

WE: That’s some heavy stuff. I’m quite curious how you came to know of this deviation.

BV: I’ve done a short research just few minutes ago. Google is full of infos about him.

WE: The thing is with the internet, you can’t be 100% sure. I was thinking more like personal accounts from honest trustworthy people.

DK: Once they asked Bhakti Siddhanta Sarasvati Thakur how Kali will enter the Gaudiya Matha, Srila Thakur said that he will enter through the main door. Kali is very powerful. This is war against Kali and there will be many victims in spiritual organizations.

JND: It is hilarious that even in 2019, he hangs out in Thailand as a "preacher" of ISKCON. The Bangkok ISKCON website says: "H.G Prabavishnu Prabhu (prabhavisnu.acbsp@pamho.net) sannaya/senior disciple of Srila Prabhupada often visits and performs different preaching activities in Bangkok."

CV: Jahnava Nitai Das hanging out in the gogo bars?

VD: This is really sad. Wow! How low can he go? Cringeworthy.

MS: These verse is for such kind of “ Sadhus” :

.......envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification. (Sri Isopanisad Mantra 12)

RS: Better to wash the feet of a prostitute, then a pretender.

RV: The argument is -- that it is an accidental fall down like a spot on a moon ... like Bilva mangala was overcome by lust due to prārabda but determined in Bhakti. It is similar to the church protecting even paedophiles. Such things happened. [They should get married.]

Once you chant Harinam once you become an adhikari.

RKD: Agree, When they fall down they should married , if not he is eating his own Vomit.

HS: OMG cockroach... that is a great definition.

RKD: Yes. Some idiot is saying accidental fall down, please read and study Srila Prabhupada books.

GSD: Guru guru on the wall who's most fallen of them all?

RD: Lol. What a character!

PRT: it's a very sad situation. I agree that he has every right to practice Krishna Consciousness and preach but he doesn't have a right or deserve to be worshipped in this way.

MRD: These are symptoms of most of the bogus sects. Even when things are going wrong before you, you will never admit it, cuz you have no character, no spine, no developed persona, no self confidence, cant make any decision on your own, for every little stupid thing you have to ask guru, etc.. no power of self-decision. when one is surrounded with this kind of naive sheep, very easy to manipulate with religious quotes and taking things out of context and blending into your vision. 

Disciples and followers are the problem. These guys gurus, sanyasis, etc. they try it all, and they see its working. They can rape kids, have sex with women, steal money, kill acharya, change books, lie, pretend to be pure, anyone challenging them is banned as a deviant demon. They protect themselves etc.. so until you will have naive followers and blind disciples, you will always have "everything goes" gurus. You see in other sects and religions, they are still around, some more powerful, some less, it the nature of the sects, you can talk sh*t and blame all others, but as you can see, not one of them gets ever punished, never. 

He is moved to another post or a temple, etc.. Why do you expect someone wearing sanyasa clothes to be prefect or pure devotee? Sanyas is only an ashrama as any other ashrama and anyone can dress it, but only few have real bhakti regardless of ashrama, but it as we know, the show must go on. Take care of your own bhatki and leave this people alone, if it not helps you to be more aware of Krishna, just leave it. Nature has a way of correcting itself.

SDL Hare Krishna !!!

( article.....JND........)

Look , I am convinced that 90 % of ISKCON are honest , OR want to be honest ~~~~~~90 % love Prabhupada. OR want to love Prabhupada !!! I do not think that management is so dotish (a combination of mad and stupidity ) , .......to want simple devotees to become militant !!! We are supposed to have Kshatriyas, but ....................................... Nevertheless , the High Court Case for

1 ) FRAUD , for hiding Prabhupada's *Will* and other Legal documents, for 8 years, lying and misleading ISKCON, and all its followers worldwide. Thereby, hijacking and seizing his ISKCON !!! ..........PLUS Prabhupada's complaints of torture and poisoning, from his recordings, Conversations and books !!!

2 ) MURDER ...... for killing Sulocana and others ....

Prabhu, For stealing all Prabhupada legal documents. In 1985, 8 years after
Prabhupada's followers were already mislead, and giving it to all followers
Worldwide !!!

3 ) CONSPIRACY TO MURDER THE FOUNDER ACARYA SRILA PRABHUPADA !!

Prabhupada Will be, Must be, and Is going to be , ..........restored as the sole Diksa Guru in His ISKCON Movement !!! JOIN THE PRABHUPADA REVOLUTION !!!

~~~~~~~and be counted ~~~~~~~

Step Forward Silently OR Vocally !!!

All glories to all the Sincere followers of Prabhupada Worldwide !!!!

Sri Caitanya Nityananda The Acaryas Prabhupada Ki Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai !!!!!

PADA: Yep, Prabhavishnu was not helping me much when I said we have to get rid of Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja, illicit sex and LSD-pada, PV wanted a piece of the stolen pie. ys pd

CM: Its one thing to fall down..... but to pretend to be a guru when fallen is abominable. I don't know anything about these people beyond what you are suggesting here. When I fell down I left the San Francisco temple and went back to art school, not only because I wanted to practice art, but because I didn't want to sully Prabhupada's movement with my bullshit. Its very sad for me to have so little devotee association all these years, but I hope someday I will deserve it again. 

If a devotee falls down he or she may always come back as long as they are humble. Of course you are pointing out a profound lack of humility and grace in regards to this individual. Very unfortunate to sully the reputation of Prabhupada's movement in this way. All that said I don't think Prabhupada would want us to give up on ISKCON. He created it with great love.... the actions of some cannot really contaminate the essential ISKCON.

JND: You are one of the great warriors of ISKCON. I felt bad when Prithu (another fallen ISKCON guru) suddenly came in and closed down the San Francisco temple after your years of struggle and hard work to keep it open all alone. I think most of us agree, there is nothing wrong with devotees struggling to follow some aspects of spiritual life. What is wrong is when people are fallen for twenty years but still making people wash their feet, drink their foot water, and worship them equal to God.. That is disgusting behavior.

CM: Thanks you for your kind words Prabhu.

RK: Two Men = Two Opinions

Since Hanuman had been a sannyasi and then had gotten married, he lost his GBC position. Hanuman said, "Srila Prabhupada, I don't seem to get along well with my God-brothers."

Prabhupada smiled and said, "That's all right. Actually, I didn't like my spiritual master's Society either." We were surprised.

Then Prabhupada became serious. He counted with his fingers and said,

"I associated with my spiritual master about ten times. But I follow all his instructions. In that way, I am never separate from him, and he is never away from me. Wherever there are two men, there are two opinions. So now you go and preach the cult of Lord Chaitanya." ~ Nrhari dasa from Prabhupada Memories recorded by Siddhanta dasa

JND: So in this particular case, the two opinions are: 1) Prabhavishnu's opinion that he can keep going to prostitutes in Thailand for 20 years, get caught three times over 2 decades, and keep making people wash his feet and worship him as equal God. 2) The common sense opinion that those going to prostitutes are not pure devotees, they are not fit to be worshiped equal to God, and no one should be washing their feet. They should come back with humility and serve other devotees with menial service to remove their anartha - not that they should be worshiped by the new innocent devotees.

RK: JND humility and menial service to vaishnava will remove anarthas... that's true.

JND: I mentioned it before, I saw this joker getting worshipped in Mayapur 6 months after he was caught. The GBC are completely corrupt and cover for their own criminals. How about that ridiculous very common ISKCON guru explanation "I am serving all of you as your spiritual master. It is my devotional service to Krishna, to have you drink the water that washes my feet, and to make you people cook huge daily feasts for me, and to make you treat me like a royal king. It's my service to you and Krishna and Prabhupada. I really don't want to live like a king, but I have to because Krishna wants me to do this service."

GA: Do they really say such nonsense blatantly?

JND: Every single one of them says this. I'm not joking at all. I have heard it a hundred times.

TC: Possessing knowledge of bhakti does not qualify him to criticise a devotee

JND: The person isn't a devotee, he is cheater preying on devotee's innocence.

TC: You are not Krishna to judge who is a devotee and who is not a devotee Prabhu.

JND: You don't need to be Krishna to use your intelligence and discrimination to understand the sura and asura.

CV: The problem is -- still the people that follow him

JND: Even Ravana put on kavi cloth and a mala to kidnap sita. Being a devotee is not about the dress they wear. Anyone can imitate it. Divine qualities distinct from demoniac qualities (daivasura sampat vibhaga) distinguish the devotees from the asuras posing as devotees.

TC: Ravana is a demon. To compare a demon, Ravana with a Vaishnava shows that you are a mayayaprathajana

JND: Prabhavishnu is also a demon, just like Ravana.

TC: Intelligence stolen by maya. You are actually in maya for this offensive behavior towards a Vaisnava. Ok prabhu you are talking this much can you explain to me what Krishna is speaking in bhagavad gita 9.30 ???

JND: The guy went to prostitutes for more than 2 decades in Thailand, was caught by devotees three times in that span. Continued to have people worship him equal to God (saksat hari...). He had people wash his feet and drink that water as sacred charanamrita. He misused money meant for Krishna, to pay for prostitutes. Even after being caught three times, he continued to cheat the innocent devotees, and make them to keep worshiping him equal to God. 

Even today he spends large amounts of time in Thailand despite the GBC not wanting him to go to that country, and he insists its to "preach", like he insisted for the last 20 years while he was visiting prostitutes there. He is not a devotee, he is a cockroach.

TC: Tasmat chastram pramana te: that is difference between a demon and a divine person.

[PADA: Same problem we are having with the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur ilk, their spokesman said to me the followers of Radhanath are "innocent" and should not have to pay for the child abuse. They think that the followers of Radhanath are following a divine program and therefore they are innocent. Of course what then does Radhanath do with his money? He writes crack pot books ... we need more of his books?]
   
TC: Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita to respect a devotee as a sadhu even if he has committed the most abominable action. why do you disobey this instruction of Krishna. How sure are you about this and can you prove it?

JND: Ok, so looks like you are a retard. Because the verse you half quoted says tasmac chastram pramanam te karyakarya-vyavasthitau. The shastra determines what is proper action and improper forbidden action. Going to a prostitute in Thailand is forbidden action for a sannyasi. And we agree with your verse, you chose to cite, which says those who perform forbidden action against the shastra can be classified as asuras. We are in agreement.

TC: Answer my question. When Krishna orders you to consider a devotee who has committed the most abominable action as a sadhu, why do you disobey a direct order of Krishna? Or it is that you want to become Krishna and write your Gita now?

JND: Sorry, I don't have more time for a retard. Where in verse 9.30 does Krishna say anything about cockroaches acharyas? Bhajate mām ananya-bhāk, do you understand what unalloyed devotion to bhagavan means? You are quoting 9.30 without even knowing what it means. This person is not and has never been engaged in unalloyed pure devotional service to Lord Krishna. He was a cheater cheating the devotees, while engaged in abominable activities and pretending to be a guru.

Jahnava Nitai Das You are not even quoting the verse properly. Lord Krishna says "bhajate mam ananya-bhak", if he is engaged in unalloyed pure devotional service. Sorry, I again go back to my past conclusion, you are retarded because you think someone going to prostitutes in thailand for 20 years is engaged in unalloyed devotional service.

TC: Sannyasa is not the ultimate in bhakti. in fact nothing to do with bhakti.

JV: Are you committing the same crime you're accusing Jahnava Nitai Das of? Why are you insulting and speaking Ill of Nitai? You shouldn't insult devotees...no? You should follow your own advice.

JND: The retard here says we shouldn't judge anyone, but he chooses to judge people who he disagrees with. So its just hypocrisy. Srila Prabhupada on the other hand does not say we shouldn't judge.

"Similarly, here is the characteristic of pure devotee. Characteristics. You test whether he's truthful. "He's not truthful, sir." Then he's not pure devotee. He's doing something... He promised before his spiritual master, before the Deity, before the fire, "No illicit sex," but he's having illicit sex. So how he is advanced? How he's advanced? He's not even truthful, the first qualification. He's unclean. Truthfulness. Śaucam, means very clean." (Lecture on SB 1.16.26-30 -- Hawaii, January 23, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada tells us we should test if they are truthful or not. He doesn't say we should remain retards and not judge people.

Because my philosophy is we can judge people, your philosophy is you shouldn't judge people. I am following my philosophy correctly. You on the other hand are a hypocrite in that you don't follow your own retard philosophy of not judging people. Simple to understand?

Maybe he is initiated by the cockroach. That would explain a lot.

JV: I have no issues with calling a spade a spade. I was only pointing out your hypocrisy on the matter: you consider it illegal to call out the actual evils of your ISKCON guru, but you freely indulge in judging and insulting JN who is an actual Vaishnava who's trying to help fools like yourself not fall for frauds. If you act like a retard, you get called a retard!

PADA: Yes, that is what the GBC says since 1978, yes our gurus acting abominable so we have to forgive them, and that is how all the banning, beating, child molesting, lawsuits, murders and bad publicity took place, people forgave and did not address. Anyway, yes, they are saying Krishna's successor acharyas are generally abominable deviant people, that has been their mantra since 1978, agreed. ys pd

SSM: I can remember the fall down case of this particular sadhu. It's unfortunate the devotees don't understand.

JND: Fall down case... he was going to prostitutes for 25 years. He was just a cheater. He is still going to prostitutes. In the purport to Bhagavad Gita 9.30 Srila Prabhupada makes two important points. One is it refers to accidental fall down (a one time occurrence due to the influence of the flowing modes of material nature, not a long term ongoing deception). Second, the devotee must be "mam bhajate ananya-bhak", engaged in unalloyed exclusive devotion to Lord Krishna. These two points are not met in any of these cases of fake gurus who have been deceiving and cheating the innocent devotees for decades, and engaged in immoral behavior for decades. I am not saying there are no gurus or no devotees. I am saying those who are cheating people in this manner for decades are not being referenced in Bhagavad Gita 9.30.

CV Cockroaches followed by more cockroaches. Bro he is definately retarded.

JV: Why are there lots of retards here? What's the difficulty in understanding that one who pretends to be an acharya / guru when he is instead a chandāla, should be thrown out of his position? Please, people, don't surrender your God given common sense - use it!

SK: Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- March 13, 1975, Tehran:

Prabhupāda: So do that. Don't approach the cheater guru, bluffer guru, and be cheated. Stop this business. This has spoiled the whole spiritual atmosphere of the world. Take guru, the supreme guru, Kṛṣṇa.

If you want to be cheated or if you are a cheater, then you'll get a cheater guru.

Room Conversation -- January 8, 1977, Bombay:

JND: In the purport to Bhagavad Gita 9.30 Srila Prabhupada makes important points. One is it refers to accidental fall down (a one time occurrence due to the influence of the flowing modes of material nature, not a long term on going deception).

RSC: One time you said that Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not difficult, but to remain determined, that is difficult. Determination is difficult. So how do we...?

Prabhupāda: That determination comes by tapasya. Therefore we have got rules and regulations ... 

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HD: And these are the people teaching us guru-tattva and the "law of disciplic succession". What a joke. Prabhavisnu (who was my so-called guru) secretly visited prostitutes while we all worshipped him, offering him service, money and devotion from our hearts. We cooked for him, cleaned his rooms (including his toilet), his clothes and yes we bathed his feet as is the custom in ISKCON. We had no idea that he had been questioned regarding accusations of his visiting prostitutes. No one ever informed us of this. We were kept in the dark. 

Now seeing this picture we can understand that devotees do not understand the position of guru. If a man cheats, lies and secretly visits prostitutes, while posing as a guru, Swami and member of the GBC, why would anyone want to wash his feet??? What is his qualification? Would you wash the feet of some dirty old man who takes pleasure having sex with prostitutes? Has ISKCON strayed so far from the philosophy (truth) that devotees cannot accept such obvious deviations? Let's all just be honest, Prabhavisnu has failed as a disciple of Srila Prabhupada, what to speak of being a spiritual master, or even a sadhu, or even a senior member of ISKCON. So what spiritual benefit is he gaining allowing people to bathe his feet? And what benefit are these devotees making who are bathing his feet? So if this act is not taking place on the spiritual platform, then what is really happening? Some men washing the feet of a dirty old man! Enough to make any sane person feel sick.

Brief History of Dhanurdhar swami's Mistreatment of Children /

**** Dasi: Someone who I thought was my friend asked me to delete comments made about her guru, Dhanurdhara Swami, by his victims, in relation to his history of child abuse. When I refused, she told me our friendship was “in the trash” and deleted me and my husband as FB friends. Her disregard and lack of compassion for what the victims, my friends, experienced as young boys, saddens me deeply.

For the record, I WILL NOT SILENCE THE VICTIMS. Here are a few testimonials of what the young boys endured while under the care of Dhanurdhara Swami:

1. A das gives extensive testimony of physical and emotional abuse as well as neglect. This was corroborated by other witnesses.

2. AV das was told to rewrite letters before he could send them and his mail was censored. DDS beat him up, calling him a monkey from the jungles of Africa. He was racially humiliated.

3. B das told of mail censoring, and DDS ignoring complaints of sexual abuse.

4. B2 das states that DDS hit him bad enough to leave big welts and bruises.

5. BR das describes severe physical abuses by others in the school that DDS clearly knew about and did nothing about, and in fact condoned.

6. BV das describes beatings by DDS, to himself and others, and mail censoring. Other students verify the beatings to BV das, including for not dancing at arati.

7. CM das reports failure to protect students from beatings, and failure to protect him when he reported sexual abuse from another teacher.

8. D das – Describes physical abuse by DDS. Describes failure to protect from abuse and mail censoring. Intimidated to not tell anyone of beatings. He was beaten with a branch by DDS.

9. DD das reports some of the most severe personal abuse directly from DDS. “…continuous punching, like a bunch of times and slaps and ear pulls, and all of that. That was one of his things. To bring kids into the room and pound them for a while… I guess I was like a punching bag for him. DDS continually punched me in the stomach several times. I felt like a was a research animal. The humiliation and mental torture were worse than the physical. Ear pulling an slapping was on a daily basis. Punching in the stomach was something new and different. DDS also took his money from home, called his mother a demon, Also relates story of DDS throwing L das out of a second story window in Dallas.

10. D2 das describes DDS out of control ear slapping and emotional abuse during line-ups. Describes mail censoring and psychological abuse.

11. D3 das “The worst thing that DDS did to me was in assembly. He would twist my ear and then he’d slap both my ears. My ears would ring for a week. Psychological abuse. DDS tried to get me to not tell my father.”

12. D4 das describes medical neglect, being hungry all the time, and DDS’s failure to protect from physical abuse.

13. D5 das Describes medical neglect on part of DDS, in that DDS would get upset if others tried to help him if he were sick. Also describes psychological abuse and mail censoring.

14. GV das “DDS was the head acarya of hitting. He was not in control of his anger. DDS used to have a wall of different sized canes, and he would let the kids choose the cane. He used to smack kids on the ears. There was dried blood on my ears from it being pulled so hard.”

15. G das saw J’s bruises after DDS beat up J for the fire bomb incident. Gives detailed descriptions of food deprivation, including skipping meals if they missed part of the morning program. Told DDS about sexual abuse, and DDS did nothing, but chastised G.

16. J das Talks about DDS beating him for 5 to 10 minutes after fire bomb incident. The beating left marks. Lots of corroboration for this incident from other witnesses. DDS admits to this.

17. K das Reports DDS slapping him hard enough to knock him to the floor. “This was a normal occurrence for me.” Also describes emotional abuse and mail censoring. Also failure to protect from physical and sexual abuse.

18. KJ das Witnessed DDS savagely beating AV. DDS also beat KJ, while falsely accusing him of stealing comics.

19. KA das reports racial slurs and beating by DDS. S das witnessed DDS beating KA.

20. KC das describes medial neglect.

21. K2 das “ My dad sent a check. DDS yelled at me. He hit me for the check until I gave it to him. Witnessed beating of others, including AV. Not enough clothing. Describes atmosphere of pervasive violence and intimidation. “ I saw B beaten.. .You became immune to the violence it was so common place You got hit if your arms weren’t up dancing in Mangal arati. Describes medical neglect, bad food, mail censoring, and inadequate education.

22. LM das Describes DDS beating J after fire bomb incident. Aslo claims DDS knew of N abusing boys and did nothing. Medical neglect toward KA, almost causing death.

23. LS das Describes medical and other neglect.

24. L das “ I was tossed out of the second floor sanctuary window by DDS in Dallas. I remember hitting the ground. DDS never showed any concern for injuries.” This is confirmed by S das and DD das. Described children punished if they didn’t dance. Also meal deprivation as punishment, bad food, and mail censoring.

“I’ve been hit by every gurukula teacher at least 100 times, including DDS, Raghunatha, and Manihara, and Niragadeva (all have been found guilty by the CPO of child abuse).Describes being tied up and left in a room for 7 days. “On a daily basis you stood in assembly and with your hands behind your back you got several slaps to the face. Described that DDS and Manihara did the slapping. “My ears, the ears of my friends, they bled every day. We were pulled off the ground by our ears. Some kids were almost ripped off. All the teachers did it, including DDS. DDS said directly to me that if I didn’t keep quiet I would be dealt with accordingly. I did not disclose the abuse because I feared for my life…” He had bruises and welts, “every day of my life in Vrndavana.”

25. M das Describes morning line-up routine, including DDS ear twisting, ear slapping, and supporting and overseeing the physical and emotional abuse perpetrated by Raghunatha and Niragadeva. DDS knew of severe abuse on his brother. Describes medical neglect, bad food, and lack of cleanliness. Witnessed several brutal beatings done personally by DDS. DDS also watched as other teachers “brutally punched and beat children.”

26. R das Describes DDS laughing after seeing him badly bruised from a beating by Raghunatha. He “blew it off” when he told about DD being severely beaten. Reports that V told DDS about being sexual abused by Ananta Rupa, and DDS slapped him for saying such a thing. Describes psychological terrorizing, being locked in bathrooms for long periods of time.

27. S das Witnessed DDS beating several students, (lists several names). Describes beatings, says that children would have broken lips, black eyes, as a result of DDS’s beatings. “Marks sometimes lasted for weeks.”

28. S2 das Reports he was terrible medically neglected. “I had jaundice and typhoid and wasn’t taken to a hospital for a month. They, DDS, kept me in a room by myself where I was hallucinating and screaming. Describes tactics of intimidation by DDS, including that DDS threatened his life if he told about abuse. He also saw L being thrown out of second story window by DDS.

29. J2 das “DDS beat me senseless numerous times for the smallest things.

30. JG das DDS was strict, easily annoyed, and I remember him hitting boys.

31. M2 das witnessed beating by DDS, and DDS’s failure to protect from others beatings.

[PADA: Yep, only the tip of the iceberg of the GBC's "guru school" program's long history of violence to children, and the GBC's complicit actions of supporting this guy, and / or his supporters or others like him. Of course GBC also has Prabhavishnu back to having his feet washed in some sort of guru pooja after he fell down, there are no standards on any issue apparently.

Then again, not only GBC ilk protected and facilitated these guys like Dhanurdar, but their cheer leaders like Bhakta das / Sanat (Steve Voith) / Mukunda das UK (Mark Whitely) / Prahlad das UK (Paul Coats) / Bhakta Peter / Dayalu Nitai's Hare Krishna Community Jaipur's clan / Janardan West Virginia / Pancali (NZ) and their pals also say to PADA, what is the problem with having children worship deviants, be beaten and molested, and some commit suicide after the fact?  

Why are you placing objections to our favorite child molesting and child beating program? Why not have children continue to worship our lovely child beaters and / or child molesters as their swamis if not messiahs, what is wrong with that too? Why is PADA picking on these lovely and adorable people? Lets send PADA editor's photo to the molester messiah lover's club goondas, so we can get him killed and save our lovely child beating and molester messiah's agenda! 

Worse! Why is PADA even addressing this issue? Worse, "PADA is a liar" for even representing the victims claims.

Yep! We need to have PADA kicked off the internet, so our favorite child molesting and child beating friends will have no opposition. Birds of the same feather, flop together as Sulochana said. Yes, its amazing how this agenda has had so much support. And then some people wonder why we have had to go to the police, media, courts and FBI for help to counter this agenda? Because without the help of these police types of folks, we would have been assassinated by this agenda ages ago. 

And why does Hanuman Croatia say that Bhakti vikas swami is a great guy, when his sannyasa guru Jayapataka has been the ring leader of this operation in India? Oh boo hoo, PADA is disturbing our nice child beating, child molesting, child worship of sexual predators as their messiahs process. We got to cry now! Sheesh!

ys pd] 

New Dvaraka Kirtan Mela 03 Aug (Video)

PADA: Yes, actually lots of people are still attracted to chanting Krishna's name. However, the numbers of people actually living in USA ISKCON temples seems to dwindle -- and thus its mainly a few annual festivals where lots of (outsider dwelling) people turn out. Same things happened in the Gaudiya Matha, their bogus gurus chased away most of the citizens, and then they had some annual festivals where more people attended. 

Srila Prabhupada called this a sort of artificial "festival of fruits and flowers," because it was only being done here and there, and was not really solving the crisis that the mass of people had rejected the false guru process. Of course we do appreciate that at least something is going on sometimes, credit has to be given that at least this much is still allowed. And we do get nice inquiries from at least some of these types of folks, asking pretty good questions. So that is certainly a plus. ys pd 

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Some Reports on Child Abuse (Krishna children site)

http://krishnachildren.com/documents/

[PADA: Of course this list is probably just the tip of the iceberg, many cases were never reported. Some of the victims simply left in disgust, others committed suicide without having their complaints formally registered, and thus we will never get a complete record of their complaints -- and so on and so forth. Many hundreds of affidavit complaints were also submitted to the DALLAS courts naming various victimizers, but these are sealed by the courts.

It is amazing that so many of the leaders who orchestrated the abuse process were never prosecuted or charged criminally. Then again, that also happens in the Catholic church and other corrupted programs. Its also very odd that the people who promoted perverts like Kirtanananda as gurus (i.e. Radhanath swami / Devamrita swami / Kuladri / Umapati swami / Varshana swami / Satsvarupa et al.) are still some sort of leaders. Really?

And now Lokanath swami is being promoted in various places to "lead the kirtans"? Didn't the GBC promise his victim that Lokanath would not have a management and guru role anymore? So its a little bit shameless to continue to promote these people as big gurus and etc.

Meanwhile, a woman wrote to tell PADA, all of the PADA's opponents are essentially social misfits who have no clue that its important to defend women and children from abuse, or worse, they identify with the abuser class because they are of the same ilk. She seems to have the whole process figured out? ys pd]

India Women Gang Reigns in Bad Men

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-04/indian-women-get-together-to-punish-men-who-wrong-them/11369326

[PADA: Yep, it sometimes takes a group of women with large sticks to fix things.] 

ISKCON's Gay Marriage Program in Brazil

https://www.akincana.net/2019/08/03/iskcon-performs-the-first-hare-krishna-gay-marriage-cerimony-in-brazil/?

PADA: Told ya!

Burke Rochford Reviews "Killing for Krishna" (NovaReligio)

http://henrydoktorski.com/Killing4Krishna/NovaReligio.html?

Gaurahari das (Update)

PADA: "Srila Gaurahari Dasa Babaji" is supposedly the bridge between Srila Prabhupada and Jesus. OK maybe. The only good news is, he is not acting as a bridge between Srila Prabhupada and the Illuminati-ites / Hitler-anugas, like some other bogus groups are doing. And this is what happens when the mind is allowed speculate, and one does not associate with anyone else, i.e. someone else who knows better. 

A foreign woman writes to PADA -- these poor people like Gaurahari, Kailash, Mukunda UK, Prahlad UK and so forth are "lonely hearts men who cannot really relate to women properly, and thus have to create some nonsense program to give themselves some sense of value. Perhaps they also have a hidden gay streak and that makes them unable to relate fully to women. Clearly they have poor social skills, and thus they cannot connect to to the rest of the real world. They are not really organized enough to become gurus like the GBC, so they try to prop themselves up with some other "holier than thou" program, but its all about trying to gain some fame and recognition. In other words, its subtle sex life." 


Yep, when you want good advice, ask a woman like her. ys pd 

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2018/06/the-divine-leelas-of-srila-gaurahari.html

Dravinaksha Dasa's Departure / Funeral Fundme

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-for-mother-nanda?

PADA: Dravinaksha prabhu has departed this world. He was another devotee who was trying to promote Srila Prabhupada's original books. And he will certainly be remembered for that. God speed Dravinaksha prabhu! If anyone has eulogies or details of his life they would like to have included in this space, send to angel108b@yahoo.com .  ys pd  

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Srila Vamsi Das Babaji disappearance day (by OBL Kapoor)

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Srila Vamsi Das Babaji disappearance day

Excerpt from OBL Kapoor’s “The Saints of Bengal” 

(Srila Prabhupada's Godbrother)

Vamsidasa Babaji was a siddha-mahatma in the disciplic succession of Sri Narottama Thakura. The name of his diksa-guru was Harilal Vrajavasi and the name of his vesa-guru was Ramananda Vrajavasi. But it was difficult to know that he was siddha, because he lived far away from the world in a solitary place on the bank of Ganga near Baral Ghata in Navadvipa, as if he was renounced by the world, as an idiotic and worthless destitute. But the fact is that it is not the world that had renounced him, but he, who had renounced the world as worthless. He hardly had any worldly possessions. His only possessions were an old kaupina, karanga and kantha. Once Sripada Haridasa Gosvami asked him why he did not wear bahirvasa. He replied, “I live only with ka, which means kaupina, karanga and kantha. I have nothing to do with ba”, which means bahirvasa or outer garment. Bahirvasa brings relationship with the outer world and the people, who are bahiranga, that is those, who are attached to the outer world. My Gaura has asked me not to wear bahirvasa and mix with people who are bahiranga."

Vamsidasa Babaji lived in a world of his own. His world centered round his deities-Gaura-Gadadhara, Nitai, Radha-Krishna and Gopala. For the service of these deities he had two brass pots, some earthen pots, one plate, one glass, some small cups, panca patra, bell and conch-shell and nothing else. Baba passed day and night in the service of the deities and in sweet talks with Them. Early in the morning he went out from his kuti to collect flowers. Then he went for bhiksa. He returned to the kuti about noon and made garlands from the flowers for each of the six deities. After that he started cutting vegetables. He washed each vegetable a number of times. Then he cleaned rice. He examined each grain of rice. If he found any grain from which the husk was not removed, he removed it with his own hand. He did everything slowly, contemplating all the time the lila of Radha-Krishna or Gaura-Nitai, and singing or talking to Them. It was only late in the evening that he could cook and offer bhoga to the deities. He had no consciousness of time. Morning and evening, day and night had no meaning for him. Almost the whole night he kept awake, talking and singing.

Once Sripada Haridasa Gosvami was surprised to see him cooking for the deities at about 9 a.m. He said to him, "Baba! It would be fine, if you prepare bhoga for the deities like this in the morning everyday." He replied, "I do not know morning or evening. Am I their father's servant so to feed them at appointed hours? If They want to eat like that, let Them make Their own arrangements for cooking. Let Gadadhara cook for Gaura. Nitai is avadhuta. He has no caste. He can go and eat anywhere. I do not worry about my Gopala. A milch-cow comes here everyday and gives Him milk. He can live on that. I have to worry about Radha-Krishna. For Them I will have to cook a little rice and vegetables. If I don't, They will go to Vmdavana and do madhukari. "

Vamsidas Baba never locked the door of his kuti when he went out for bhiksa or to bathe in the Gariga. If someone asked him why he did not lock the kuti, he said, "If the owner of the house Himself does not keep a watch and has a soft corner for the thief, what is the use of locking the house? I do not even keep the keys of the lock with me. The lock has three keys. All the three are with the three boys. One is with Gaura, one with Nitai and one with Gadadhara." After entrusting the lock and the keys to the three boys, Baba used to be free from anxiety. If while he was out a cow entered the kuti and turned everything topsy turvy, he would be angry with the boys. If some one stole something from the kuti he would say, "Gaura has a soft corner for Nadiyavasis, the residents of His own Dhama. Therefore He gives things away to them. I am after all an outsider." Once a gold necklace, given by someone to Gaura, was stolen, when he had gone out for bhiksa. On returning to the kuti he kept on scolding Gaura and asking Him whom He had given away the necklace, for about two hours. Towards the evening he got a hint. He then went to the house of the theif and asked him for the necklace. The thief pushed him down the verandah of his house. He was hurt. But he did not say anything. But how could Gaura tolerate this? The thief soon died as well as all the other members of his family.

Once Baba had to punish Gaura-Nitai for Their connivance in a theft. The two brass-pots, in which Baba' used to cook for Gaura-Nitai were stolen. How could this happen without the connivance of Gaura-Nitai? So They were punished. Baba scolded Them and did not give Them anything to eat that day. The punishment had its effect The next day someone came quietly and delivered one of those pots. Baba said, "This small pot is Nitai's. He will be fed today. If Gaura wants to eat, He must also bring His pot." Baba always did what he said. He cooked and offered bhoga to Nitai. Gaura drew a long face as He kept looking at Nitai eating. In the meantime another man came and delivered the other pot. Baba then cooked in that pot and offered bhoga to Gaura. When Gaura also had eaten, he said with tears in his eyes, "Do I ever want to punish You? But both of You are so naughty that You must always tease me. You do not know that I have now become old and cannot bear it all. What can I do?"

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura also received the blessings of Srila Vamsidas Babaji Maharaja in Navadwip. Seeing Srila Sarasvati Thakura, Srila Varmsidasa Babaji Mahasaya would say, "Someone very close to my Gaura has come to me."

Vamsivat Babaji was a Gaudiya sadhu who lived at Swarupa Gunj during the time of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati's mission. He was respected by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, and he used to see to it that Vamsivat Babaji was provided with grains and so on by Gaudiya Matha brahmacaris, whom he'd send to Swarupa Gunj from the Yoga Pitha Mandir.

One day, a lady selling fish approached Vamsidasa Babaji, offering him some choice from the type of catch. Somehow or other, Babaji's mind got attracted to taste the fish. But he immediately checked himself, and became very angry. He first of all shouted at the woman to get away. Then he was shouting, "How could this happen? How could this happen? I've surrendered my life to Radha Krishna, I'm under They're protection, and still this happens! Why You are not protecting me?"

He went storming into his bhajan kutir. People gathered while he fussed and fumed at his Deities inside. Then he came out, bringing the Deities tied by rope, and threw Them into the Ganga. He kept the end of the rope under his foot. When one man inquired why he was doing this, the Baba threw a rock at him.

When this news reached the Gaudiya Matha Mandir, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta called his brahmacaris together and forbade them from visiting this baba again, save for one who would just deliver supplies. After a few days, he again called them together and said, "Some of you think I've stopped you from visiting babaji maharaja because he is in maya. That is not so. But you are not able to understand this bhava. So stay away."

Later, when that one brahmacari visited, Vamsidas babaji maharaj threw a stone at him and told, "If you want to please me, then never return here again!"

Previously his reception had always been unpredictable. Sometimes the Baba would welcome him. Sometimes he would accept the gifts without saying a word. Sometimes he would just sit and stare. Sometimes he would take the gifts and angrily throw them in the river.

It is difficult to understand what bhava Vamsidasa Baba had towards Gaura. It sometimes appeared to be sakhya (friendly), sometimes vatsalya (parental) and sometimes madhura, like that of a Nadiya-nagari (lady of Nadiya) towards Gaurariga as Nadiya-nagara (an attractive citizen of Nadiya). If it was basically madhura, it is easy to understand that he sometimes exhibited vatsalya-bhava towards Him and sometimes sakhya, because madhura-bhava includes all other bhavas. According to Haridasa Gosvami his bhava was of Nadiyanagari type, because he used to compose songs of this bhava and sing. He has quoted some of these songs. Two of them are reproduced below:

kena giya chilama ganga-tire o nagari |
nyana kataksa bane gaura kaila mana churi ||
ami ekhana ki kari o nagari ki kari ||

“O Nagari! How I repent having gone to the bank of Ganga.
Gaura cast a side long glance at me and stole my heart
What shall I do now, O Nagari! What shall I do?”

bala go nagari gaura kallena ki ||
grha gela kula gela mana kela curi |
sajani! ekhana ami ki kari ||
nayana kone, kane kane gaura kallena ki |
ami je prana mari gaura kallena ki ||

“Tell me O Nagari what Gaura has done to me, He winked and whispered and did, I do not know what to me. O Sakhi! Now I know not what to do, Life is running out of me. O! What has Gaura done to me?”

Towards the end of his life Baba once went to his birth place Majitpur in district Maymansinha. He carried the deities with him. On the way he neither ate, nor slept, nor passed stool or urine. On reaching Majitpur he stayed in a dilapidated temple. After that he went to Vrndavana and Puri. In Vrndavana he stayed on the bank of Yamuna, in Puri on the bank of Narendra Sarovara. He never went inside a temple for darsana. During these travels the sadhus of the Gaudiya Matha rendered great service to him.

Nothing is known about Baba's life as a householder, except that he was married at an early age and his son Haracandra was nine or ten years old when he renounced the world. He went to Navadvipa about the year 1906. The author once tried to see him in 1932, but could not, because the door of his kuti was closed, though he could hear him talking to the deities in Maymansinha dialect. He left the world in 1944.

(Excerpts from OBL Kapoor’s “The Saints of Bengal”)

SP Lecture "society, friendship and love" (Video)

Rocana on the "Direction of Management," Part 11

Direction of Management, Part 11

BY: SUN STAFF

Aug 01, 2019 — CANADA (SUN) —

Ritvik Strategy: DOM & ISKCON Inc.

It has now been 43 years [at time of first writing] since the DOM was issued. For about half of that time, 22 years, the Direction of Management was relatively unknown except to those ISKCON leaders who had become aware of it at the time of its issuance. Although it had not been included in the 1990 version of Folio 2.0, in 1992 the DOM was included in that year's Vedabase release. In "The GBC Was the "Enemy", Roupa Manjari devi wrote [31]:

"The document was basically unknown and unread (what to speak of obeyed) until 1992, when my husband found it online in the Vedabase. No one knew what it was or if it had any significance in particular, but when my husband found it, it seemed to him like accidentally discovering a diamond mine. From that day onward, he propagated awareness of the DOM, to the point that it has now (in 2012) become known and read by practically everyone in the Krishna Consciousness Movement."

[PADA: Right, there are many instructions that ISKCON should be managed, by managers, and that means they cannot be telescoped to the post of acharya. There are simply no examples in shastra of ANY GBC / Rocana scheme of acharyas being "managed by a committee," being voted in by committee and etc. 

Worse, Rocana's dismantling the committee idea -- is making bogus acharyas who are promoting bogus Radhanath books and etc. Again! There is no such thing as conditioned souls managing the acharya? And worse, Rocana cannot even produce a committee that manages anything properly, because he has his bogus maverick independent acharyas sprinkled into his committee.]

As we have demonstrated throughout this series, today the DOM has not only come to the attention of most devotees, but is largely misunderstood, due to the campaign of misinformation and propaganda put forward by leading DOM proponents. Now being heralded by many devotees as the new 'silver bullet' solution for fixing ISKCON, this misunderstood and misrepresented DOM is being promoted by members of the Ritvik community and those calling themselves 'Prabhupadanugas'.

[PADA: Yes, but GBC / Gaudiya Matha / Rocana's idea of making conditioned souls into "acharyas -- managed by the committee" is never going to work. What works? -- whether its in a Church council or a corporation -- is a managerial body. And the DOM "Direction of Managing" is simply one more tool in that tool box. The idea was that there would only be a managerial body, and not a guru process, and that was ALWAYS clear whether we ever heard of the official legal DOM or not.

There are thousands of churches all over the San Francisco area, and they are all "managed" by a committee of church elders and their priests. Their process is monitored by the Church's elders, committees / Church councils and so on, and that is why they are functioning with relative success. I am not really sure how anything can function without some sort of board of direction, managerial committee, council of elders, or something along those lines? Is Rocana saying there is no need of a managerial board, we need his living gurus instead?] 

The current strategy being employed by Ritvik leaders is to distance themselves from the label 'Ritviks' by re-branding as the 'Prabhupadanugas'. Simultaneously, many have been distancing themselves from the stigma of Ritvikism by disassociating from the now defamed and defeated manifesto, "The Final Order" [32], instead re-branding themselves as proponents of the DOM under the umbrella of ISKCON Inc.

[PADA: OK except the idea that Srila Prabhupada should be the acharya is far from being defeated? Rather we keep getting more people on board with the idea, including that we have a nice Prabhupada program right on Rocana's doorstep in Vancouver. Its expanding, not being defeated?]

And this is where the story gets interesting…

ISKCON Inc. is the short name of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, Inc. -- the original ISKCON entity personally incorporated by Srila Prabhupada in New York in 1966. That incorporated entity is at the center of the Long Island lawsuit, a battle going on for years now between the GBC/ISKCON and the break-away Ritvik faction in New York who have gained control of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON Inc. [See our comments on this lawsuit in Part One of this series.]

[PADA: Hardly no one really cares if Long Island wins or loses this lawsuit. Its not a legal issue really. Many / most people simply want to worship Srila Prabhupada because they feel he is the only person qualified to be worthy of their worship. They really do not care primarily about the outcome of various legal wrangling among entities.]

For years, we had been under the impression that this lawsuit was essentially being fought over the Long Island temple, which had come under control of a group of board members under Ritvik leadership. But in fact, the lawsuit is being fought over control of the ISKCON Inc. corporation, whose assets extend far beyond the Long Island temple property or the GBC's rights to control the congregation.

This fact was not some great secret being kept… the information was a matter of public record, some of which has appeared in Sun articles submitted by Nimai Pandit das over the course of his reporting on the Long Island lawsuit. The rest of the information has been on public record in the form of the ISKCON Inc. incorporation documents, which we had never seen. Prior to reading them, we didn't make the connection between the Long Island temple and the ISKCON Inc. corporation, which is the real prize being fought for in the New York courts.

In January 2013 we began to carefully study the situation when we came to understand that devotees were using Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON Inc. to proliferate Ritvik-vada. By employing the DOM, with the assistance of Nara Narayana Viswakarma dasa, they crafted a combined ISKCON Inc. / DOM presence as a way to rally disenfranchised devotees around a new flag. This flag was not overtly flying the 'Ritvik' colors, but rather the 'Prabhupadanugas' identity.

Peddling misrepresented versions of both the DOM and ISKCON Inc., these devotees have been simultaneously moving towards a unifying constitution. While the predictable in-fighting has gone on, with key personalities moving from one Ritvik sub-camp to another as alliances shift, a worldwide campaign continues on in which 'Prabhupadanuga' centers and devotees are being convinced to unite under the DOM / ISKCON Inc. umbrella.

Over the course of our lengthy exchange with Nara Narayana and Roupa Manjari, we heard a grandly convoluted explanation about where, exactly, their loyalties lie in all this. They have both defended and defamed Ritvik-vada and those who consider themselves Ritviks. We discussed with them their DOM / ISKCON Inc. alliances with Ritviks / Prabhupadanugas, and we heard their denials about having any such alliances. 

We will present the highlights later, at the end of this series, in a summary profile of the personalities who are promoting this scheme to sell the ISKCON Inc. vehicle, which is being pushed along on the wheels of Ritvik-vada and the DOM, both of which have been welded onto Srila Prabhupada's corporation.

[PADA: OK so Srila Prabhupada said many times there should only be a managerial body. And he said we should not produce false gurus. What difference does it make if any of this is "legally established" in Long Island or not? Most devotees we are working with want to worship the acharya, they are not that interested in the results of lawsuits in karmi courts.] 

Why is this issue important?

Because if the Long Island lawsuit is lost by the GBC / ISKCON, then Srila Prabhupada's 1966 ISKCON Inc. -- which both the BBT Trust Agreement and the Mayapur-Vrindavan Trust Agreement refer to -- will remain under Ritvik control, and all non-Ritvik temples could potentially be prevented from enjoying certain benefits in association, particularly with the BBT Trust.

And if the GBC / ISKCON wins the Long Island lawsuit, then the movement will likely have to live with a legal precedent that establishes the GBC as the ecclesiastical authority of ISKCON -- a designation that could have far reaching legal ramifications that will affect all devotees wishing to associate themselves with the ISKCON name.

This is a complex matter. We will do our best to present the information as clearly as possible, and we will provide copies of the legal documents so individuals can study them and arrive at their own conclusions. Suffice to say, we find the situation serious enough to have warranted this lengthy commentary.

[PADA: What is really having far ranging impact is that thousands of devotees are now worshiping Srila Prabhupada, totally independent of the GBC and official legal ISKCON. These folks don't really care a hill of beans if the GBC officially wins the claims to the property of ISKCON or not, because they do not participate in ISKCON and rarely if ever attend GBC programs. 

Nor do they worship the GBC's gurus, nor do they recommend GBC's gurus to their friends and family. Most of them also want to read original books as well. In sum, they are divorced almost totally from the GBC's guru process.

They also already know that ISKCON has had to declare itself bankrupt and the temples are largely evolving now as Hindu hodge podge / Yoga classes / Bhagavat Sapta / Demigod worship / Car pooja / Hindu wedding programs, which they are not interested in. I myself saw that one GBC follower, a speaker who lectures in their temples, has on his site advertisements for RAMA KRISHNA mission, so they are going that way and most of our people have no inclination for that direction.

If these Prabhupada people have been defeated in Rocana's "Church of Ritvik" paper, then Rocana has to explain why this program keeps expanding and we keep getting more people asking us about this all the time? And if we are not going to have Srila Prabhupada as the acharya managed by a committee process, then what does Rocana propose is the alternate? He never says? ys pd]

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Srila Prabhupada -

"Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. NOT by force! Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!"

July 8, 1976.

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Guru-kripa – “Why does Krishna allow us to enter the material world?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Because you have got little independence, therefore you can violate. You are part and parcel of God, you have little independence, that has to be accepted but we can misuse that. Krishna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That MISUSE is the cause of our falldown”.

Conversation, Mayapur,

February 19, 1976.
Is the Spiritual Master no different than his photo? (from 1972)

1 - Form is called "vapu"

2 - Teachings are called "vāṇī"


Srila Prabhupada - "Next you ask if I am present in my picture and form? Yes. In form as well as in teachings. To carry out the teachings of guru is more important than to worship the form, but none of them should be neglected. Form is called "vapu" and teachings is called "vāṇī". Both should be worshiped. Vāṇī is more important than vapu''.

Letter to Tuṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:

Ahmedabad

14 Dec 1972.

A photo of Srila Prabhupada was on the Altar in Nairobi when he was there in 1975, so a devotee asked the question -

"Is there any difference between picture and murti form of the Spiritual Master?"

Devotee - "You said that if we made a marble image of you and offered food to it, you would not accept it. So…"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Hm?"

Brahmānanda - "In your lecture you said that someone who offers food to a statue of yourself…"

Srila Prabhupāda - "He is not statue, but people think statue. He is Kṛṣṇa Himself. But because we cannot see Kṛṣṇa at the present moment, therefore He appears like a statue".

Brahmānanda - "His question… You stated that a statue of yourself is not the same as you, and yet in some of our temples, such as Vṛndāvana, the mūrti of Your Divine Grace has been installed and they are offering prasādam. So is it the same, that the prasādam is accepted by the guru?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstraiḥ. Guru is nondifferent from Kṛṣṇa. That is accepted by all the śāstra.

Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta śāstraiḥ. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktaḥ: It is said,” tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ, “and those who are advanced devotees, they accept it like that.” Kintu prabhor yaḥ priya eva tasya:

"But the guru’s position is the most confidential servant.”

So guru is the servant God, and Kṛṣṇa is the master God. Both of them are God, servant God and master God. Guru kṛṣṇa kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja

[Cc. Madhya 19.151].

So we have to serve both the servant and the master. Through the servant, we go to the master".

Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 3.28.18

Nairobi, October 27, 1975

More Chaos in ISKCON Russia

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2019/07/iskcon-devotees-rehab-center-raided-by.html


[PADA: Four major Russian newspapers ran stories on the bogus ISKCON rehab center that was raided by the police. The is simply another example of the mess being made by the GBC / Gaudiya Matha / Rocana / Torben / Kailash / Hanuman Croatia idea -- that neophytes should pose as God's successors and messiahs. Then their renegade "messiahs" no longer need to listen to us, or the GBC, or even listen to the ordinary mundane laws of the land. Dr. Stilson Judah says this is antinomianism, lawless in the name of religion. 

Appointing conditioned souls to the most highest spiritual platform of God's successors is very dangerous, as is described in the Isopanisad. It never ends well. 

All they are doing is, as the article describes "creating another Kirtanananda or Harikesh problem." Agreed.  

Meanwhile Rocana thinks he is going to write some sort of "ISKCON constitution" which details how he will create some sort of "Guru Governing Committee" to control his maverick and renegade messiahs. Sorry, such "out of control" people -- who apparently or perhaps self-evidently think they are above all laws -- are not controllable. And that is because they should never have been given the title of God's successor, diksha guru, parampara member etc. in the first place. In other words, making conditioned souls into gurus / messiahs is the problem, creating some concocted policy of regulating them AFTER the FACT -- is not ever going to fix this problem.  

ys pd]

Madhusudana Das’s open appeal to the CKCSR!

The CKCSR (Center for Krishna Consciousness Societies in Russia) is the main governing body in Russia, after the GBC itself. They report directly to the GBC and is an assistant to this GBC. There is a confrontation between large groups within ISKCON Russia, which can be divided into two large groups: those supporting the authority of the GBC and those who do not support the GBC authority. 

Some say to others that they have deviated and are demons who are deceiving people, to present themselves as followers of Prabhupada. Alkali with an acid always creates a reaction and therefore cannot absorb the qualities of the opposite substance. Conflict and friction are inevitable. But now some of the people of these two hostile groups (possessing more significant intelligence than others) see the threat, which is like a sword of Damocles hanging over them. This is a threat - Caitanya Candra Caran (aka Alexander Khakimov).

Judge for yourself. This person, in a relatively short period of time, somewhere in 1-2 years, managed to spoil the reputation of ISKCON Russia like no other, and harm people like no other! Even the advocates of the corrupt ISKCON GBC gurus regime believe that Khakimov violates their internal etiquette and takes himself more than is necessary and does not share with others. 

Unlimited greed in the accumulation of money and followers confuses even the defenders of the current GBC, seeing some kind of madness in the actions of Khakimov, not to mention the opponents of the regime. Such behavior affects the disciples of Khakimov and many have noticed for his disciples, from both camps, that they are the most rude and arrogant people. They believe that they have a special position in ISKCON and consider themselves an elite group throughout ISKCON, enmity with other followers of other gurus and belittling them directly or indirectly. This is how their guru, Khakimov, influences them.

Some people who are in contact with Khakimov literally die or are on the verge of death, he directly or indirectly becomes the cause of death of many people and is directly responsible for this, the mental health of people is undermined and they begin to hate everything connected with God, Krishna and religion. A killed newborn in Kazakhstan due to Khakimov's mistake, Elena Pyatysheva (former disciple of Khakimov) almost died, who, due to a broken heart syndrome, almost fell ill with oncology. 

Pedophile protection is also in Kazakhstan, who treated children cruelly. And two corpses in a rehabilitation center in Vladivostok, which is overseen by Khakimov's disciple - Dmitriy Kondratyev, private property owned by Khakimov, which belongs to the materialist(s), who sell alcohol, the attack of Khakimov's disciples on the "offenders" and the threats against them and other people, etc.

It got to the point that if in the Google or Yandex search engine to drive in the word(s) "false guru" - "лжегуру", then together with the "false guru ISKCON", below, the phrase false guru Khakimov will appear (for example, Bhakti Vijnana does not have this). Practically, the word false guru means Khakimov in Russia, he became the personification of the word, dragging ISKCON there as well.

Khakimov behaves as if he has a super power or he has more power than other leaders. As a GBC and guru, he can initiate some uncoordinated actions with the CKCSR and the world GBC, having a resource in the form of money and followers, which leads to the fact that he sends his disciples to disassemble with "offenders", beginning with the courts, hurts the entire organization that should be deal for it, leads or supervises the shadow, illegal business that leads to criminal proceedings. 

He controls the minds of many people and directs them at his discretion. In such an atmosphere, problems arise when Khakimov’s instructions diverge from official law, and Khakimov’s fanatical followers choose his instructions rather than the official authorities. This is a very dangerous trend and situation!

In general, one should do something with Khakimov, somehow curb him and impose restrictions. This is my proposal and this is the essence of my appeal to the CKCSR. Khakimov has every chance to repeat the fate of Kirtanananda or Harikesa. Remember what happened after these two things? Damage suffered by all! The consequences will be terrible!

Bhakti Vikas Swami Re-Writes ISKCON History pt.1 (Video)

Bhakti Vikas swami discusses the history of ISKCON. 

Srila Prabhupada appointed 11 gurus. What Maharaja? 

There is no evidence of this appointment? 

There is no instruction for the ISKCON Governing Body to "manage" these 11 acharyas either? 

Why would an acharya need to take instruction from a Governing Body in the first place? 

Most of these "appointed gurus" fell down. Agreed, that means they are not, were not, could not have been gurus. Why does BVKS create the impression that acharyas are often falling, indeed most of them are falling on a regular basis?

The ritviks said Srila Prabhupada would have made a huge mistake if he had appointed conditioned souls as gurus. Why is that not correct Maharaja? And if they were not appointed as gurus, what were they appointed as?

"The acharya board" was a bad idea, it dismantled the GBC authority. OK, again how can a GBC manage the Vishnupada acharya? And if the acharya board is a deviation, how can gurus produce deviations? And which previous acharyas were "managed" by a Governing Board?

The Gaudiya Matha was picking people off. OK and who brought the Gaudiya Matha into ISKCON?

The 11 gurus stopped book distribution and started selling Hong Kong paintings. OK what kind of gurus would do that? Why does BVKS think "Krishna's gurus" would orchestrate such deviations?

The GBC were selling records made by Harikesh in Rock and Roll genre, and this was instituted all over, but even karmis thought this was rubbish music that could not be sold ordinarily. Why were the devotees engaged in distributing it? Gurus produced all this deviation? Where was the GBC? OK there was none, there was the acharya board.

The BBT book scores were being used to indicate sales of trinkets, and not actual books. Agreed. 

Money then corrupted the society, agreed. 

The leaders were living opulently, agreed. Bhagavan became the sun king -- living in opulence. OK agreed, but why was this allowed?

In sum: The GBC are wishy washy!

And that is why we dissenters have been banned, beaten, sued, and assassinated? And Janananda kicked out a woman and her husband said "that killed her because she missed the deity." She is now dead, from a wishy washy policy? Or from a giant jack boots policy? This is not wishy washy? This is a very vociferous, mean spirited, imperious, odious and oppressive regime. 

Anyway, some good points, some not so good points, but he is still creating the illusion that the 11 were supposed to be worshiped as diksha gurus. Nope. 

Anyway, we knew it was a question of time and they would try to re-write the whole history to blame Srila Prabhupada for making a mistake of appointing conditioned souls as gurus, that handily takes the blame off themselves. Sorry, BVKS and his foolish friends appointed these guys as gurus, we protested, and we were then thwarted by the BVKS sector. And we still are.

ys pd

Bhagavad Gita for Kids -- Episode 1 (VIDEO)