Danavir's messiahs are insane, psychotic, paranoid mental patients (from oneiskcon)

Harikesa Dasa In Retrospect
Published June 18, 2013

By His Holiness Danavir Goswami

DANAVIR: Certainly the valuable service he has performed for Lord Caitanya’s movement thus far in this life is unachievable for an insignificant creature as myself to equal in millions of lifetimes. I therefore pray at the outset for the ability to view my dear God brother Harikesa dasa without committing any offenses to him or his disciples.

[PADA: Danavir says that one of the main persons he (and the GBC) hand selected -- and anointed -- as one of ISKCON's main 11 gurus, namely Harikesha, suffered from serious mental disorders -- all along -- even before he was a devotee. And these "mental disorders" simply became much worse after Danavir's program anointed Harikesh as ISKCON's guru / messiah in 1978. Lets get this straight, Danavir (and apparently some other GBC leaders) knew all along that Harikesh was not exactly mentally stable, in fact he had bouts of "psychological break down tendencies" all along, so they anointed him as God's successor messiah? What could go wrong with that program? 

And now that Harikesh has destroyed "his zone" in so many respects, and destroyed the lives of so many of "his disciples" Danavir is commending him. This is the same thing they did recently when they buried Kirtanananda, -- "well he did so much service." OK, but he also caused so much mayhem. And now it turns out that Danavir is basically admitting he is one of the main causes of all this mayhem, because he is one of the primary people who promoted these "crazy" people as the Lord's successor messiahs, that he now admits he knew in advance have had serious psychological problems. And Danavir promoted what he now admits are his crazy pals -- as God's messiahs? And now he wonders why that is causing complaints?   

First of all, why is Danavir always saying that persons with various forms of psychosis, paranoid delusions,  mental illness, and perhaps even dangerous psychotic disorders -- are God's successors and gurus? The guru is supposed to be: -- the incarnation of Krishna's mercy; the sum total of the demigods; the external manifestation of God; the assistant to the gopis; the person who is absorbing sins like Jesus, therefore (says Danavir and Oneiskcon) the guru is a psycho ward patient from the Bellvue mental home, with severe mental delusions? And Danavir has tried to find such crazy Bellvue type psycho patients -- to be his messiahs for ISKCON, because he has been one of the biggest cheer leaders of the post-1977 "crazy town messiahs" project. 

Danavir apparently thinks God successors are (A) Qualitatively equal to God, therefore; (B) Keep a straight jacket handy, because God is a mad fool, and so are His successors. Where does Srila Prabhupada say: God is a mad fool, and thus, so are His successors? Danavir is attacking God by saying that persons who are equal to God are mad fools. Why has Danavir always been attacking God by saying mad fools are -- GOD's qualitative (saksat hari) successors?

This means Danavir is attacking God directly. The successors to God have the same qualities as God (saksat hari tvena), and according to Danavir, the successors to God are insane Bellvue mental home psycho patients, therefore God is qualitatively the same as these mad fools? God is a Bellvue patient, therefore His successors are Bellvue patients. Yes, this is what people ask me all the time about folks like ONEISKCON, and Danavir: Since the guru is the same as God qualitatively, why is Danavir saying debauchees and mad fools are God's successors? Is that not an attack God? Yes, it is an attack on God. 

Of course demons have all along said Krishna is a "mad fool" -- since way back in the days of the Krishna book, that is what they always do. The asuras think: God is a mad fool, and so are His successors, and that is what demons have said since time immemorial. And that is why they are in the material world -- also since time immemorial, and they will remain here for the same duration of time. God and His successors are mad fools, and the asuras know better than they do?    

We could not have summed up Danavir's policy statements better ourselves: Danavir himself is saying -- he finds people [he himself admits] are deluded, are maybe even clinically deranged psychopaths, and then he anoints his psychologically disturbed friends as ISKCON's and GOD's direct (shaksat) messiahs. I am glad Danavir is finally admitting -- that has been his program all along since 1977, he evidently thinks God is a mad fool, therefore, God's successors are also mad fools. This is really nice -- that he is finally admitting all this. Of course, there are terrible planets where people will go after they claim that God and His successors are mad fools, and they will unfortunately go to a place where even madness will not save them from suffering.]

DANAVIR: FREE WILL

First of all we must remember that the living entities are by nature endowed by Sri Krsna with irretractable free will at all times. This free will works both ways, providing the option for elevation and degradation. When a living entity wishes to surrender to the Lord’s will, God gives all facility to do so in the form of good intelligence, determination, humility, the guidance of a bona fide spiritual master, etc. And conversely, when the living entity wishes to occupy the Lord’s position as enjoyer and proprietor, he loses his intelligence, determination, humility and the shelter of the spiritual master, etc.

FRAILTIES 

Harikesa dasa experienced symptoms of neuroses both in his life before coming to Krsna consciousness as well as occasionally within his devotional service. These states took the shape of manic, hyperactive work, followed by depression and paranoia. Severe psychological disorders that involve a marked split with reality, such as genuinely thinking oneself to be someone he is not, are symptoms of psychosis. 

[PADA: Rather amazing admission here. Danavir admits, he has to move -- way out of his way -- to use his free will -- to select mainly persons who are mentally unstable, manic, depressed, paranoid, psychotic, psycho clinic material, and in sum -- crazy people -- to anoint as Danavir's, and ISKCON's, and God's, successor messiahs. Danavir's point is well taken, that he could use his "free will" properly, and he could find some nice, sane, sober, and pure people to be the Lord's successors, but he refuses to do that. Rather, he selects mad fools to be worshiped as God's successors on purpose, because that is how he (mis) uses his free will, and he now admits to this. 

Danavir now admits he knows all about free will. Thus, he mis-uses his free will to find debauchees, drug addicts, criminals, child molesters, and just plain crazy people, to be God's messiahs, quite obviously without God giving him permission to do so. He refuses to use his free will to find nice messiahs, he de facto admits, he uses his free will to find awful messiahs. And Srila Prabhupada says in the Sri Isopanisad, that these "acharya by rubber stamp" people are going to a much worse and lower destination than the ordinary people, and in sum they are going to the most obnoxious regions of the universe, for their open defiance of the Lord. Of course, never mind all the banning, beating, child molesting and murders they and their program will have to account for in Yama's court.

Did Danavir consult with God before he decided to advertise mad fools as the successors to God? Apparently, Danavir thinks he has done so. What happens if God does not think He was consulted on this issue, and He does not appreciate Danavir's program of sticking various debauchees and mad fools into the (Vyasasana) seat of His guru successors? 

Danavir sums up the whole bogus GBC strategy since 1978, they do not even bother to try to find primarily sane and rational people to act as their messiahs, rather they admit, they hand select people with severe mental disorders, if not persons suffering psychotic "breaks with reality" -- to be ISKCON's and God's messiahs. 

Then, after they viciously enforce their "mad fools are God's successors" policy, we find that there are all kinds of crimes and even mass child molesting and so forth going on left, right and center -- and then they actually PRETEND to wonder -- why? Danavir explains why, he drives out the sane people with contrived excommunions, and his party then makes the insane people into their messiahs, so that crimes will go on without any sane persons to check these crimes. 

Now we all know what happened to ISKCON, Danavir wanted to turn ISKCON into his own personal "worship of crazy people" empire, and so he hand selected people he admits, are mad people, to be his (and ISKCON's) messiahs. Was this so he could distort and manipulate them in a power grab over the society? Otherwise why would Danavir hand select mad people as the messiahs of ISKCON, unless he wanted to use and manipulate them?  

In other words, what Danavir seems to be really saying is, he wanted to drive all of us "saner people" out of ISKCON, because we would not support his real program, he wanted to establish the worship of his homosexual pedophile pals, and / or mad persons / with psychotic disorders and so on, as the messiahs of ISKCON. So he anointed his mentally deluded foolish friends, and various debauchees, and various drug addicts etc. as his gurus, so he could hi-jack the ISKCON institution, drive us out, and create an insane / criminal empire using Danavir's mentally unstable messiahs as a tool to degrade the institution thereby. 

Home for God and / or His "direct" successors"?

Then Danavir wonders why there are problems with his messiahs, when he is mainly selecting people he already knows are mentally unstable to be his messiahs. If Danavir wanted to destroy ISKCON, what else would he do first? If he wanted to ruin the mission, he would first of all -- find persons suffering from psychosis to be the messiahs of ISKCON, ooops, and that is what he has done for the past 35 years!    

Srila Prabhupada explains: when neophytes imitate the position of guru, they will eventually become degraded. NOTICE: Not "possibly, might or maybe." No, SRILA PRABHUPADA SAYS -- they WILL degrade. Its a given fact. Apparently, that is why Danavir has been ordering people like Harikesha to imitate the guru, Danavir knows they will "eventually become degraded" thereby, and they will take ISKCON down with them, as has occurred in fact. 

Danavir now pretty much admits he is the reason ISKCON has had all these degraded and debauched guru problems, because Danavir finds people he says -- he knows already -- have a history of mental problems, and he declares these people are his "acharyas." In short, Danavir says he knows people will degrade when they imitate the guru, so when they will degrade, they will take ISKCON down with them. Is that his real plan? And is he more or less admitting that has been his plan all along? It seems so .... 

Danavir de facto admits that he is the one mis-using his free will, because he wants neophytes to become degraded by imitation of the bona fide guru. Why is Danavir cramming the acharya post down the throats of people like Harikesha when, one has to ask, Danavir admits he knows -- they will degrade?

Danavir never explains, why does he want to degrade people like Harikesh by making them into guru aparadhi imitators? Danavir says he knows that the imitation of guru degrades people, yet he keeps pushing people onto the Vyasasana seat, so they will degrade. Yet he never explains why he is leading a blind man into a ditch like this? Whether this was an intentional plot to destroy ISKCON, or an unexpected consequence, it does not matter, Danavir's team is responsible for the ISKCON degradation happening.]

DANAVIR: Harikesa dasa is reported to have also experienced such symptoms since in 1982 he thought that he was Skandha, Lord Siva’s son who is the commander-in-chief of the demigods. Whether in India or in the West, Harikesa dasa was persistently experiencing a physically sick body.

[PADA: Harikesha thought so many deluded things over the years, who can count them? The question is, why has Danavir been hand selecting these deluded people to be the worshiped messiahs of the universe? 

As for sickness, yes Srila Prabhupada says when one acts as a guru and take sins, and one is not qualified, one will get sick, fall down, or both. This is yet another odious out cropping of Danavir's policy, his policy has been -- to to make the leaders of ISKCON sick and fall down by giving them the deluded idea they are equals to Jesus and they could absorb sins like Jesus. This begs the question, does Danavir intentionally want them to go down, and so he feeds people like Harikesh these grandiose illusions, that they can act like another Jesus? Why is Danavir feeding these illusions to people he says, are already deluded? So Harikesha was easy prey for Danavir's propaganda, to believe he and Jesus are equals, so they can both absorb sins. This begs the question: Why is Danavir trying to make the leaders of ISKCON sick and fall down, by encouraging them to act as another Jesus -- and take the sins of others?]  

DANAVIR: TAKING 3,000 DISCIPLES

According to Srila Jiva Gosvami, a preacher has to accept many disciples to expand the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This is risky because when a spiritual master accepts a disciple, he naturally accepts the disciple’s sinful activities and their reactions. Unless he is very powerful, he cannot assimilate all the sinful reactions of his disciples. Thus if he is not powerful, he has to suffer the consequences, for one is forbidden to accept many disciples. (Caitanya-caritamrta: Madhya 22.118 Purport)

[PADA: So this means Danavir is knowingly encouraging weak and deluded people into acting like Jesus and taking sins, knowing they will face severe karma reactions for doing so? This begs the question, why is Danavir encouraging people to break the rules of Sri Jiva Goswami, and to make pretend they are messiahs who can absorb sins? Does Danavir want to destroy these people, and destroy ISKCON in the process? Why would Danavir knowingly advise people whom he says are delusional, that they can be the next Jesus of Nazareth, and absorb sins, when he says he knows in advance, this will cause his victims to go into a death spiral tail spin?]  

DANAVIR: TANTRIC DEFENSE

In certain circumstances Harikesa dasa sought to counteract mental and supposed antagonistic disturbances by use of tantric medicines, which allegedly contained the ashes from tantric sacrifices. Interacting with such tamasic (mode of ignorance) persons and substances is understandably bound to cause depreciation of one’s spiritual characteristics.

[PADA: And most of the GBC gurus promoted this tantric ghost buster named Chitesvara. This begs the question, why is Danavir promoting the GBC's gurus like Jayapataka, who are saying gurus become ghostly haunted, and so they need to be ghost-busted? The guru is a manifestation of God, so he is haunted by ghosts, because God is also haunted by ghosts? Where do these people come up with these ideas? Jesus is a guru, so he is contaminated by ghosts, well that is what the Satanic people say. And that is also what Danavir's party says, the guru is contaminated by ghosts, and thus he needs tantric treatments. The guru is as pure as God, therefore, he is full of ghosts, that means -- God is also full of ghosts. Yep, that is what the Santanic people say, God and Jesus are overcome by evil. Why is Danavir always citing the ideas of the Satanic cults?] 

DANAVIR: SPIKED MEDICINE

The tantric medicine which Harikesa dasa called “Ayur Vedic medicine” was recently chemically analyzed to contain two strong psychotropic drugs. Possibly the supplier of the medicine did not inform Harikesa dasa of this.

[PADA: Harikesha said at the time he thought some of the GBC leaders had ordered his medicines to be spiked with dangerous psychotropics, because he suspected they might be trying to poison his mind with these drugs. In other words, he was saying the other leaders were "out to get him," so they had these drugs inserted into his "vibhuti." This makes some sense. 

Who had access to powerful Western medicines? The other GBC leaders. Who had a motive to make Harikesh go totally mad so they could take over his zone? The other GBC leaders. Who did take over his zone once he was out of the picture? The other GBC leaders. Maybe Harikesh was not so crazy after all, he thought there was a plot among some ISKCON leaders to have him taken down, and it seems he might have been right, someone was plotting against him, hence the dangerous psychotropics were being intentionally planted into his medicine, to make him go totally crazy, so his zone would be ripe for someone else to take it over?] 

DANAVIR: SUDDEN STOP OF MEDICATION

Having relied heavily upon the so-called medicine for ten years, Harikesa dasa suddenly stopped using it in January of 1998. If one having a previously existing mental weakness suddenly stops taking strong medication, it is not unusual for that person to behave like a completely different person, and this is what happened to Harikesa dasa.

[PADA: Harikesh, Hansadutta, Satsvarupa, Jayatirtha and other GBC messiahs have all gotten involved in taking medications. OK, so now we are getting a more clear picture of Danavir's idea of the Lord and His successors, they are mentally weak, they need strong psychotropic medications, and if they stop their medications, they will go totally bonkers. Who would have guessed? People like Jesus need to take psychotropics, or, Satan will grab them? No one knew this previously!]   

DANAVIR: WEAKNESS IN SANNYASA

Unbeknownst to all but a few sannyasa Godbrothers, Harikesa dasa experienced difficulty in maintaining the renounced order (sannyasa). 

[PADA: OK, and Harikesha was openly reading crazy books about extra-terrestials and such, and he was lecturing about these topics, and  "no one knew" there was a problem? Srila Prabhupada suspended sannyasa in 1977, why was Harikesh even acting as a sannyasa when the sannyasa order was "not working" according to Srila Prabhupada? And after Harikesh was caught with his girl friend, the GBC still had his photo on the altars and he was still being worshiped as a messiah. When I saw that in Los Angeles, and told the Danavir friendly leaders he was still being worshiped, they said -- who cares, so what?]

DANAVIR: In 1980 he expressed his desire to leave the renounced order and marry. He was advised to regain his spiritual focus by spending time in Mayapur reading and chanting. Initially he agreed to the proposal and tried to execute it but then after a couple of days he decided against this and returned to preach in his zone.

[PADA: Gurus need to chant more when they feel lusty desires? No, we neophytes need to chant more when we feel lusty desires. Now Danavir is saying God and His successors are weak and overcome by illusions. That is also what the Satan worshipers are saying, God and His successor Jesus are overcome by illusion and madness. Danavir is quoting the Satanists.]

WHY IS DANAVIR ALWAYS CITING BEELZEBUB?

DANAVIR: SEEDS OF SPLITTING FROM ISKCON

Back at the Mayapura GBC meeting in 1987, Harikesa dasa, being one of ISKCON’s first initiating gurus, felt extreme anxiety from the suggestions made by the fifty-man committee. He informed one of his close associates that if the GBC were to insist on a policy, which differed from his own ideas; he would split from ISKCON taking his disciples with him. I was present at that time and shared tremendous alarm with the devotee who informed me. At any rate, the next day differences were resolved and talk of splitting ceased.

[PADA: OK so Danavir takes a person he claims is more or less suffering from paranoid delusions, if not deep psychosis, and his messiah is also taking psychotropic drugs, and his messiah is getting Tantric ghost busting, and taking vibhuti ashes "medications," and so on, and then he wonders why his promoting this person as the messiah of ISKCON, is not keeping the society united?]  

POOR MORNING ATTENDENCE

Soon after Srila Prabhupada’s departure, Harikesa dasa made it a firm policy not to attend mangala aratrika at any center where he might stay. Disregarding Srila Prabhupada’s strong instructions on the matter, Harikesa dasa chose to sleep daily until 5 or 5:30 AM. Considering other services to be more important, he relegated his participation in morning temple programs such as mangala aratrika and Srimad Bhagavatam class to practically nil. He was personally absent from these for years although sometimes he did listen to classes in his room via short-wave radio.

[PADA: OK, so the only reason Harikesh is not another Jesus is, he could not wake up in the AM? Anyone who can wake up in the AM is another Jesus? No, a person who has to struggle to get up in the AM and chant is not a messiah, he is a struggling neophyte at best.]

STOCK MARKETING

In the late 1990’s some of Harikesa dasa’s disciples played the Russian Stock Market and won lots of money. They contributed large sums to Harikesa dasa who utilized these assets to fund ISKCON projects around the world. With high expectations of future stock market profits, Harikesa dasa committed himself to fund various educational, cultural and social schemes although the money was not actualized yet.

[PADA: Right, Harikesh was famous for losing all kinds of money on gold markets, stock markets and so forth, he was gambling. This was known for years and Danavir kept saying, so what, he is still the messiah of the Jagat.]

THE CRASH

When the Russian Stock Market crashed in 1998, the funds Harikesa dasa hoped for did not come. He became completely depressed.

OVER-MANAGEMENT SYNDROME

Brilliant as he was, Harikesa dasa seemed to be able to cope with phenomenal quantities of managerial service. Given his physical, emotional, and asrama limitations, however, Harikesa dasa probably should have exercised extreme caution. At the Mayapura GBC meeting in February of 1998 (only a month after discontinuing his medication), he undertook an unachievable managerial challenge, by offering to act as GBC chairman for three consecutive years. He fully threw himself into the service but it was more than he could accommodate.

[PADA: Danavir and Harikesha program is to kick out all the managers, then there is no one left to manage. Duh!]

DANAVIR: WOMEN AND MUSIC

Ironically at the same 1998 Mayapura GBC meeting he was admonished by the GBC body for having received regular physical treatment from a young woman. Furthermore he was remonstrated for his recent “techno” music recordings, which were considered by the GBC to be inappropriate.

[PADA: OK so now the Lord's direct messiahs need to be chastised for hanging out with women and dancing to techno music. Swell!] 


COLLAPSE-THERAPIST

In June of 1998, Harikesa Maharaja suffered a complete physical and mental breakdown, which confined him to a hospital for some time. A female new-age healer was hired and Harikesa dasa became attracted to her and wished to marry her.

[PADA: The messiah has mental break downs, yep, that is what Satan says!]

FANTASIES, BLASHPHEMY, SAHAJIYA AND PRIDE

In this state, Harikesa dasa again declared himself to be Skandha, the warlord. But this time his illusions of grandeur were so great that he also imagined himself to be Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and one of his female disciples to be a divine consort. He thus approached her improperly.

In pronounced paranoia and illusion he began severely criticizing his Godbrothers, ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada for being hard-hearted. He condemned his spiritual master for restricting sex life amongst devotees and finally he declared himself the only one capable of rectifying the mistakes done by Srila Prabhupada.

[PADA: Well this is what happened to so many of Danavir's messiahs, they went mad. And Danavir pushed them off the cliff at every step by encouraging them -- that they are messiahs.] 

LESSONS TO BE LEARNED

1. We should never think we are too advanced to fall into maya.

2. Be careful about the objects which we contemplate. They may manifest before us to enjoy.

3. Put priorities straight, i.e. sadhana before work: rise early, attend mangala aratrika and Srimad Bhagavatam class daily. Don’t overdo it on management.

4. Do not take sannyasa prematurely.

5. Sannyasis must not associate with women alone or be massaged by them.

6. Beware of tantric and new age cures.

7. Sannyasis must be careful about moneymaking schemes and associating closely with persons attached to wealth.

8. Stock-market speculation is akin to gambling. For sannyasi/brahmana leaders of ISKCON to be involved in stock market gambling has a particularly detrimental effect on the consciousness.

9. Do not think that we are the doers, no matter how expert we may be.

10. Be cautious about how many disciples we take.

11. Don’t indulge in blatant slander of ISKCON or ever think of leaving ISKCON.

12. Be humble, don’t think oneself more intelligent than Srila Prabhupada

CONCLUSION AND HOPE

Any one of the above debilitating factors could have been sufficient cause for a person to fall down. But when combined together, they represent a formidable military force of maya. Yet one might ask, “How could Krsna let such a nice devotee who has performed so much book distribution, etc. as has Harikesa dasa, fall into such difficulty?” Lord Krsna has many lessons to teach us and perhaps by spotlighting Harikesa dasa’ errors, it will help Harikesa dasa and other Vaisnavas to be more careful in executing devotional service. Despite his recent irrational words, ideas and actions, we pray for the recovery of our dear Godbrother Harikesa dasa as soon as possible. Hare Krsna.

[PADA: And now Danavir sums it all up, the messiahs from God appointed by Danavir are psychotic, paranoid delusional, taking psychotropics, they are mad fools, they think they are Skanda, they think they are Krishna, they think their girlfriends are the gopis, and so on and so forth. Then Danavir wonders why ISKCON is in such a mess, because he has put ISKCON into this mess by promoting all these mad fools as his messiahs. Anyway, the Yamaduttas are always eager to pick up people who insult God and His messiahs by saying they are lusty dope fiends, and Danavir is near number one on their map. ys pd]

GOING HOME BACK TO BELLVUE HEAD!

ISKCON guru Ravindra: Another fine example of Danavir's wonderful messiahs from heaven!

Photos of North India flooding

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-22947552

[PADA: A devotee reports that north areas are lacking power, lights, roads are out and so on. ys pd]

Bombay ISKCON being charged with fraud, contempt of court, conspiracy and forgery

http://www.businesswireindia.com/PressRelease.asp?b2mid=35676

Source: ISKCON, Bangalore
Tuesday, June 18, 2013 03:58 PM IST (10:28 AM GMT)
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ISKCON Mumbai Misused Bangalore’s Annual Accounts to Aid their Litigation - ICAI

Bangalore, Karnataka, India, Tuesday, June 18, 2013 -- (Business Wire India)

The Institute of Chartered Accountants of India (ICAI) in its finding noted that it was clear that ISKCON Mumbai had misused and mis-interpreted the audit reports of ISKCON Bangalore to further their case in the ongoing dispute between ISKCON Mumbai and ISKCON Bangalore. The council which has been established to regulate the profession of chartered accountants gave its finding after hearing response filed by Mr. VL Varadarajan former chartered accountant of ISKCON Bangalore.

It may be recalled that Sri Doyaram Dasa, the legal head and one of the trustees of ISKCON Mumbai had earlier filed a complaint against Mr. V L Varadarajan before the ICAI in 2005. In his complaint Doyaram Dasa had alleged that Varadarajan was guilty of professional misconduct by conniving in fraud by Madhu Pandit Das by modifying ISKCON Mumbai’s branch audit report into ISKCON Bangalore Society’s audit report. 

The council initially referred the matter to Disciplinary committee of ICAI consisting of five members from the CA fraternity. The disciplinary committee ruled that C.A. V. L. Varadarajan is guilty for issuing anti-dated audit report and balance sheet to ISKCON Bangalore Society and referred the matter to entire council of ICAI consisting of forty members. The council heard contentions of both parties and pronounced it final findings last week.

The council dismissed the complaint of ISKCON Mumbai represented by Doyaram Dasa and held that Mr. Varadarajan was not guilty of misconduct (Annuexure-1, Page 20).

The ICAI, Institute of Chartered Accountants of India is the national professional accounting body of India established in 1949 by an act of parliament to regulate the profession of Chartered Accountancy in India. ICAI is known for maintaining high standards of accounting, auditing and ethics. It enjoys services of very eminent chartered accountants from different parts of the country. It is the second largest professional accounting body in the world.

Misuse of Account documents by ISKCON Mumbai

In its finding ICAI also observed “…It was clear that the annual accounts of the ‘ISKCON Bangalore’ audited by the Respondent (VLV) has been misused and misinterpreted for their internal ongoing legal proceedings between ‘ISKCON Mumbai’ and ‘ISKCON Bangalore’…” The ICAI further found “…that the allegations were a result of inter-dispute between the management of ‘ISKCON Bombay’ and ‘ISKCON Bangalore’. The Council also took into consideration that various litigation proceedings are going on in Courts of law at Bangalore and there was nothing on record to show that the Respondent (VLV) had acted in connivance with the ISKCON functioning at Bangalore.” (Annexure-1, Page 19)

Account Statements veracity questionable

As regards the various account statements of 1991 related to ISKCON Bangalore submitted by ISKCON Mumbai, the ICAI observed that, “The said balance sheet neither had the audit report, alleged to be issued by the Respondent (VLV) nor the schedules which forms part of the Financial Statements…” The Council further noted that “…in the absence of the complete set, the veracity and authenticity of the said document could not be established…” (Annexure-1, page 17)

Account statements do not indicate that ISKCON Bangalore is a branch of ISKCON Mumbai

The Council further noted “…that none of the audit reports annexed to the complaint are in Form 10B or in the format as required to be under BPT and none of the audit reports enclosed to the complaint had a mention of the words ‘Branch’ or ‘ISKCON Bombay’ or ‘ISKCON India’.” (Annexure-1, page 17).

The Council further noted that “…the complainant( ISKCON Mumbai) has not enclosed any branch audit report to establish on record that the respondent ( VLV) had in fact signed the audit report for one of the Branches of 1SKCON India’. However, on perusal of the Audit Reports signed by the Respondent …it has been noted by the Council that the Respondent has addressed the said report to the members of ‘ISKCON Bangalore’ and issued the same to a ‘Society” and not to any branch as the same is not the in the branch format.” (Annexure-1, page 17).

Criminal cases of forgery and conspiracy filed against Doyaram Dasa and two other officers of ISKCON Mumbai

In relation to the above account statements 1991, ISKCON Bangalore has filed a PCR (No 89/2012 dated 3/8/2012) against Doyaram Dasa, Varada Krishna Dasa and Krishna Bhajan Dasa before Additional Chief Metropolitan magistrate for forgery and conspiracy to aid ISKCON Mumbai to claim ISKCON Bangalore as a branch of ISKCON Mumbai. FIR has been registered under IPC 1860 (U/s-417, 466, 468, 469, 471, 474, 120B) by Halasuru police station and investigations are in progress. 

Varda Krishna Dasa was interrogated by the police. Later Court has granted conditional bail to Varada Krishna dasa of ISKCON Mumbai on his anticipatory bail application. Doyarama Dasa, one of the trustees, President of ISKCON Mumbai’s branch in Calcutta and legal head of ISKCON who figures in the complaint is said to be absconding by the police. 

Police are slow in taking action and bringing the criminals to justice. Even though the FIR was registered as early as 6/9/2012 (Annexure-2), no tangible progress has been made to bring out the truth from the accused in the complaint. ISKCON Mumbai is using undue political influence to delay the filing of the charge sheet, though the forgery is apparent on the face of records filed with the complaint as explained below.

Background of the criminal complaint of forgery and conspiracy

ISKCON Mumbai in its pleadings before the Civil Court had submitted the 1991 accounts statements related to ISKCON Bangalore. The said financial statements had 8 pages with additional 2 pages (Annexure 3-A) of so-called Annexure to the audit report. Though the accounting statements do not use the word ‘branch’, the Annexure to Audit Report produced by them uses the word ‘Branch.’ 

Also, the said Annexure to Audit Report did not bear the signature of the auditor and seal of auditor’s firm. Whereas the first eight pages have the signature of the auditor and seal of the auditor’s firm. The city civil court also recorded that these this exhibit consisted of total of 10 pages on the deposition of Doyarama Dasa of ISKCON Mumbai (Annexure-3). In the cross-examination of Doyaram Das in the Trial Court, the counsel for ISKCON Bangalore put it to him that the Annexure to audit report of 1991 is a cooked-up document (Annexure 3-B).

Surprisingly, ISKCON Mumbai added a 3rd page to the 2-page Annexure and filed a complaint before ICAI against the auditor, V. L. Varadaraj claiming that he was the auditor of the branch of ISKCON Mumbai at Bangalore and not of ISKCON Bangalore Society. More interestingly the newly introduced 3rd page was found to have the signature of the then chartered accountant of ISKCON Bangalore Mr. VL Varadarajan. Mr. V.L Varadarajan has denied having signed such a document. 

Thus, the 11th page (3rd page of the Annexure) bearing the so called signature of V. L. Varadaraj is forged to create authenticity to pages 1 and 2 of the so-called Annexure, which carries a word ‘Branch’. So far ISKCON Mumbai has not produced the original of the 11th page before the police or any court. If it is a genuine document, why is ISKCON Mumbai not producing the original of the 3rd page of the Annexure to the audit report of 1991 either before the police or before ICAI.

The 11th page was forged and introduced to get a positive order from the Disciplinary Committee of ICAI in February 2011 before the High Court of Karnataka gave its judgment in May 2011 that Madhu Pandit Dasa and V. L. Varadarajan manipulated the documents of branch of ISKCON Mumbai

(Annexure-3C).

Even more astonishing is the fact that ISKCON Mumbai in order to mislead the media circulated in a press conference the same alleged fabricated page on July 8th 2011. What was more preposterous was that this time the third page (Annexure-4) circulated to the media had a civil court seal inspite of the fact that this sheet was never part of the exhibits submitted by ISKCON Mumbai during the legal proceedings in the Trial court or High court.

Contempt of Court petition filed against ISKCON Mumbai on the introduction of the forged 3rd page of the Annexure:

While filing its reply to the Special Leave Petition filed by ISKCON Bangalore, ISKCON Mumbai had filed a three page annexure to the 1991 account statements in the Supreme Court too. ISKCON Bangalore has filed a contempt petition against Doyarama dasa and other officer bearers of ISKCON Mumbai for trying to mislead the court. The petition is pending before the Honorable Supreme Court.

To view the photograph, please click on the link given below:

His Grace Madhu Pandit Das, President ISKCON Bangalore at the Press Conference
For press backgrounder on ISKCON, Bangalore click here

Media contact details

Amit Karnik, Communication & Public Relations,
ISKCON, Bangalore,
+91 98804 32198,
amit.karnik@hkm-group.org


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For pictures or documents illustrating this release click below:

His Grace Madhu Pandit Das, President ISKCON Bangalore at the Press Conference

Bombay ISKCON mis-used audit reports (Times of India)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/ICAI-says-Mumbai-ISKCON-misused-misinterprepted-Bangalore-ISKCON-audit-report/articleshow/20649235.cms

Danavir / Vipramukhya / Bhakti Vikas swami used car messiah's business (re oneiskcon)

http://youtu.be/D_ogsiUTOa8

A few updates on Russia and Fiji Prabhupadanugas

http://prabhupadanugas.blogspot.in/2013/06/prabhupadanugas-russia-more-pictures.html

http://prabhupadanugas.blogspot.in/2013/06/prabhupadanuga-farm-in-fiji-24.html

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The Hare Krishnas by bustedhalo

http://youtu.be/IZDQRqV9ub0

Rocana declares Srila Prabhupada "bogus siddhanta" (by George A. Smith)

GEORGE A. SMITH: "Self Realization begins at home” and “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink” or “you cannot wake up a person pretending to be sleeping” are all sayings that come to mind when I think about Rocana dasa.

“Yes, clearly the Ritvik influence should be routed out of ISKCON. Ritvik-vada is apa-siddhantic. It goes against Srila Prabhupada’s teachings and sastra. Those who support Ritvik-vada should certainly not be singled out, and in biased fashion be given facility that other devotees have long been prevented from having: access to important documents,” says Rocana dasa.

Since the publication of DOR -- "The Defeat of Rocana Dasa" upon his site, Rocana dasa until quite recently published nothing under his name upon his own site. I was hoping that the conclusions that I had presented, both on how he could never defeat Rtvik Vada, because Srila Prabhupada validated the principle of guru-tattva -- that it was founded upon his acceptance of a disciplic succession from Jesus Christ, passed down over the ages by a very Rtvik type of initiation. 

And the fact that I pointed out to him, in DOR, is how he had failed to support his chief contention -- here made again, that Rtvik is apa-siddhanta and that therefore that his own DOR, titled The Defeat Of Rtvik amounted to very little more than an exercise on wishful thinking -- might have gotten through to him. Sigh -- no such luck.

[PADA: Correct, Srila Prabhupada says that worship of Jesus even today is bona fide. He also says that Jesus is accepting the sins of his sincere followers -- even today. He also says, me and Jesus are brothers, and so on and so forth. So yes, based on the simplest arguments from Srila Prabhupada -- worship of Jesus today is bona fide, and that defeats Rocana from square one. This also means Rocana is a severe offender to Jesus and Srila Prabhupada by his saying their worship is bogus and apa-siddhanta.   

Oddly the GBC gurus say the same thing as Rocana, "The Prabhupadanugas want to make Srila Prabhupada into another Jesus." Perhaps we do, but then again they want to make illicit sex with men, women and children into their "next Jesus." Of course this begs the question, why is Rocana always giving the GBC's guru arguments, saying Srila Prabhupada is post samadhi, posthumous, postmortem and so on, as the GBC gurus are doing all the time? Rocana is simply a parrot of Narayan Maharaja and Tamal, lets face it. 

George prabhu is right, Rocana is really arguing with Srila Prabhupada when he says worship of pure devotees like Jesus is bogus and "apa-siddhanta." Meanwhile Rocana never says, whom else should be worshiped if not Srila Prabhupada?] 

GEORGE: As far as to Rocana’s claim that he and The Sampradaya Sun champion Freedom of Speech, that’s a line of b.s. that I doubt that even Rocana dasa, as prone to self delusion as he is, as long as it masks his own character flaws, can actually swallow.

[PADA: Right, it seems only a small handful of people are allowed to post their writings at all on the Sampradaya Sun, and the mass of devotees are screened out. And the circle of posters is getting smaller all the time. For example, Rocana never publishes anything we write, or any of our responses that we provide for his questions about the ritvik issue. Its a closed shop. He also does not allow posts from somewhat neutral people like Praghosha das. He keeps saying he has "won the debate," without allowing any comments from his opponents? "I won the fight, ... with my own shadow"?  

Worse, he seems to be writing articles himself and then making up fictional names of alleged devotees as the writers, names that no one has ever heard of like -- Balavidya das, Hasya Mukhi dasi, and so on. These are writers that no one has ever heard of. We therefore do not even know if ANY of Rocana's writers -- exist at all? Are they active devotees? What siddhanta they do support? What guru do they worship if any, and so on. Rocana also does not allow any comments on his site. So, where is the freedom of expression he advertises? George says -- its all B.S.] 

GEORGE: Every once in a while he lets his intolerance of positions that he doesn’t agree with show to such a degree that even the less sophisticated (which is predominantly his target audience) will go “hey, wait a minute,” and they begin to waken to the reality of just how bigoted the Sampradaya Sun's position is, at which point Rocana dasa has to do a little bit of damage control, consisting mainly of writing a bunch of gobble-de-gook or work jugglery, that ends up getting his audience to scratch their heads and nodding off.

[PADA: Correct, everyone who asks us about Rocana's Sampradaya Sun web site asks us the same thing, what program does Rocana support? He writes reams and reams of documents, but there is no conclusion i.e. what siddhanta are we supposed to follow then?]   

GEORGE: Rocana dasa doesn’t like the Rtvik influence within and over ISKCON, TOO BAD, he had better get used to it for one day ISKCON is going to realize that the acceptance of Rtvik makes a whole lot more since than continuing to rubber stamp a bunch of gurus who are continually falling down and making them look ridiculous.

[PADA: Good! Yes, the real question is, how are the Hare Krishna / ISKCON devotees going to progress from where we are now? We already tried Rocana's 1986 "reformed" idea of worship of the GBC gurus, where the "reformers" glorified Kirtanananda, reinstated Bhavananda, excommunicated me and Sulochana, and they started having more gurus voted in and so on, and it has not worked, plain and simple. Rocana was one of the 50 man committee to reform ISKCON, where they decided to vote in more acharyas, and re-instate a known molester as their messiah. Their scheme has not worked, never mind no one had ever heard of a "guru reform" before Rocana's team came down the pike.

So our idea, lets worship the pure devotee Srila Prabhuipada, is gaining traction because, as George points out, our idea makes a whole lot more sense. Shastra says: acarya-upasanam, one has to take shelter of the acharya. That is what our idea is, and that is the same idea we find in the shastra. There is no "other idea" as it turns out.]

GEORGE: Had Srila Prabhupada never validated Christianity and with it the principle of Guru Tattva that sustains both it and the Rtviks, there would indeed then be this cause for enmity towards the Rtviks that Rocana expresses for it would in fact then be api-siddhantic, but that is not the case. Rocana is basically accusing Srila Prabhupada of being api-siddhantic with his contentions since it was Srila Prabhupada, not the Rtviks who first validated the position of guru tattva that supports such an initiation process, this is the uncomfortable truth that Rocana dasa is refusing to face -- for whatever reason.

[PADA: The reason Rocana cannot admit he was wrong is simple, his support of the GBC gurus through the 1980s would make him karma connected / responsible for all kinds banning, beating, children molesting and murders.  He cannot face the fact that he put his faith in the GBC's guru program, and he was even trying to repair it in 1986 when he became so foolish he self-advertised himself as an acharya repair man (reformer). 

And that means, Rocana backed the wrong horse, and his horse came in dead last in the race. Now he has lost all his spiritual money and credibility by supporting the worship of the GBC's illicit sex messiah's program, so he has to attack those of us who all along were pointing out his huge mistake. The Bible says, at the time of judgement there will so much grief and knashing of teeth, yep, these people will be judged for supporting the molester messiahs program, and it ain't gonna be pretty, so they are desperately trying to paper over their HUGE mistakes, by making worse mistakes and offenses. Calling Srila Prabhupada a siddhanta deviant is just Rocana's way of digging his hole into a lower life much deeper. He is going down and he is digging his own way there. And just as people will be gleeful when the GBC gurus go down, they will be gleeful when the people who are spending their every waking moment attacking the pure devotee as a deviant also go down. ys pd] 

Mick Jagger Photographs Hare Krishnas in Boston

http://bostonherald.com/inside_track/the_inside_track/2013/06/focus_gets_mick_jagger_what_he_wants

New Prabhupadanuga blog

http://vidya-vani.blogspot.com/

More Hypocrisy on Oneiskcon (re Hari Sauri and Kirtanananda)

http://www.oneiskcon.com/vaisnava-dress-2/

PADA: This is amazing really. When Kirtanananda swami had all of his people dressed in brown monk's robes in the 1980s, the GBC's gurus were practically ALL say saying KS is the best "pure devotee on the planet." Radhanatha and Umapati both told me he is "the purest devotee on the planet." And people like Hari Sauri were part of the post-1978 GBC's guru program that was promoting Kirtanananda and his "brown monks robes" program. Hari Sauri was the infamous Prabhupada Kripa maharaja who was promoting fools like Kirtanananda as the messiah of ISKCON, and now he is implying, he was against Kirtanananda's (changed clothes and monk's robes) process all along?  

No, Hari Sauri was a kingpin supporter of this evil empire. Lest we forget, while Hari Sauri and his pals were eating 50 course feasts, the children in their charge were being starved, and being fed things like rotten oatmeal covered with green mold, which you would not feed to your pet rat. No wonder oneiskcon loves these guys! Their program tortured children, how lovely is that!

Hari Sauri's ex-king of the Jagat -- whom Hari Sauri's pals recently buried in the holy dham as their "pure lover of God" messiah

After Sulochana was murdered, Hansadutta apparently thought that made Kirtananda the most pure person, because Kirtanananda showed that he was the real "mobster boss of ISKCON." Kirtanananda was able to get people assassinated, and that made him sort of like the God father of the GBC's guru mobsters. So Hansadutta started saying, KS is the most pure devotee on the planet! Yep, KS can have people like me assassinated, this is very pure! 

Satsvarupa was writing, Kirtanananda is so pure, he is everywhere. And he was everywhere, Kirtanananda was being glorified as the main leader of ISKCON -- all over ISKCON -- at the time. Hari Sauri, Bhakti Vikas swami and all these others were all going along with these deviations, at least we never heard of their protests. Never mind Kirtanananda was dressing everyone in brown monk's robes and there were all kinds of criminal deviations going on there.

Hari Sauri types of people, at the time, were part of the program of glorifying Kirtanananda. And they still are, Kirtanananda's body is being buried in Vrndavana by some of the GBC's gurus, whom are STILL part of the Hari Sauri and BVKS program even today.   

Hansadutta dasa in 1986 moved the entire group of 100 devotees out of the Berkeley temple to take shelter of Kirtanananda Swami, whom Hansadutta das said was -- "the only pure devotee on the planet." This also explains why Berkeley temple has had no manpower ever since, because Hansadutta devastated the place when he kidnapped all the people there to go away to worship a homosexual child molester as their messiah. 

Berkeley temple has never been able to recover from the carpet bombing program of Hansadutta. Basically, these gurus seem to have the idea, if I am not going to be worshiped here, then shut the whole thing down and burn it to the ground. If I am not going to be worshiped here, then neither are Krishna and Srila Prabhupada going to be worshiped here either, burn it to ashes, destroy it now! 

And Hansadutta did, he burnt the place down by removing all the servants of the deity. Hansadutta did not care if the deity had no servants, he wanted people to serve the pedophile messiahs instead of Krishna. Do these people believe in karma? Apparently not! Serving homosexuals and pedophiles, who are dressing like Kings, who orchestrate the murders of vaishnavas, is a "higher service" than serving -- God almighty? Yes, but only on the most hellish of planets.

In any case Hansadutta was simply going along with all of the other GBC gurus, they were all joining the idea at the time of making Kirtanananda's kingdom into their flagship program. Meanwhile me and Sulochana were asking, why is everyone worshiping a homosexual pedophile as their messiah?     

The GBC gurus said in their BACK TO GODHEAD magazine that Kirtanananda is just like "Jesus, Haridas Thakura and Prahlad." Of course, he was at the time bringing little boys into his motor home and cottage for immoral activities. In any case, none of these people ok like Hari sauri, BVKS etc. has ever explained why they were promoting this empire, which by the way was changing the clothing of the devotees starting in 1967, when, how did you guess, Kirtanananda wanted to change the clothing of the devotees?

Now Hari Sauri is trying to look like Mr. Clean, that he never had anything to do with all these changes. Sorry, Hari Sauri was part of the "Kirtanananda is a demigod" process. Even Rocana's reformers excommunicated me and Sulochana for attacking their hero Kirtanananda by their saying we are "offending a great devotee." Now these same people are saying, we should not follow Kirtanananda, after they crammed Kirtanananda down our throats? And de facto tried to orchestrate getting us killed for opposing their bogus messiahs, like Kirtanananda? 

The leaders of the brown monk's robes program, like Umapati, Devamrita, Radhanatha etc. are STILL Hari Sauri's and Bhakti Vikas swami's -- current messiahs? Which is why Jesus says, "oh ye hypocrites, sons of vipers"! ys pd 

Brown monk robes and etc, program being made by "Jesus, Haridas Thakura and Prahlad"

History of Radhanath and New Vrndavana: http://youtu.be/ZoaeBdCaQ8I

Kirtanananda fanatical cheer leaders were folks like Devamrta swami

Brown monk's robes on left bottom 

http://iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/ds1.htm

     

Planet ISKCON (Beta version) full version will launch soon

http://www.planetiskcon.com/

Bhagavad Gita (Hindi) movie from India

http://youtu.be/DfD59XLhwrA

House Music by DJ PADA

http://snd.sc/11HLzir

Croatia Devotees running San Antonio ISKCON

https://www.facebook.com/aad.bts

[PADA: Where are the Americans? ys pd]

Rocana: worship of Srila Prabhupada is "apa-siddhanta"? (ISKCON guru tattva)

Worship of Srila Prabhupada is "apa-siddhanta"? 

June 12, 2013 — CANADA (SUN) — The last in a study of the confluence of three separatist movements: the DOM, ISKCON Inc. and Ritvikism.

Conclusion by Rocana das (Sampradaya Sun)

As this series comes to a close, we'd like to recap some of the essential points and summarize the current landscape. As the banner image for this series indicates, we see that three independent separatist movements in ISKCON have merged: ISKCON Inc., the DOM, and the Ritviks. That's not to say that all Ritviks consider themselves part of this confluence. There are Ritviks who are not in favor of the Long Island lawsuit, and others who do not accept the DOM as an absolute instruction for 10,000 years. For the most part, however, the Ritvik movement is marching forward under all three of these banners.

[PADA: The Prabhupadanugas / ritvik movement is moving forward under the banner of worship of the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada, and not the bogus post-1977 "GBC guru" successors. There may be some differences on side issues, but the overall issue is -- all these groups do NOT believe that Srila Prabhupada  appointed eleven -- or any other -- guru successors; And as such, HE intended to be the guru for ISKCON himself, for the indefinite future. Therefore our banner is, lets worship Srila Prabhupada and follow his process. 

All of us "groups" agree to a singular point, his books are the current source of divyam jnanam that destroys sins (diksha) for ISKCON. NOTE: Rocana has never identified ANY source of diksha for his movement? Nor will he, despite our asking him for 35 years. Rocana says that Srila Prabhupada's books are not potent any longer because he and his books are -- post samadhi, posthumous and postmortem. Rocana is thus the founder father of the "Church of postmortem."  

Rocana thus agrees with Tamal who says, Srila Prabhupada's books no longer have the potency to enlighten people with divyam jnanam, because "in our tradition" we need to worship a live body. Rocana thus has not told us -- what is the source of diksha in his scheme then? And where does Krishna say we need to "worship a live body" to attain Him? Rocana never tells us where Krishna said this? Rather, Krishna's idea is, the material body is a lump of ignorance, and only a fool would worship such a temporary object? There is no "tradition" of the worship of a live body in ours -- or in any other -- bona fide religion?  

Apparently Rocana has no source of diksha at all, so he is now saying basically that -- "zero" is the source of divyam jnanam. Perhaps that is why he has zero followers? As for the July 9th letter, the will, the letters, the May tapes, the DOM, the 1977 conversations and so on, these are all supporting documents, they are not the main theme of our dissenting movement in themselves. 

Rocana also says he is upset that the ritviks have even been given access to all the above mentioned documents, he is another person who wanted these documents to be suppressed and hidden -- as does the bogus guru clique. That means, Rocana never wanted any of these documents to be seen, discussed or forwarded by -- anyone? He sides with the GBC who wants to HIDE these documents. This is sometimes called the mushroom siddhanta, keep people in the dark and feed them manure.

Nor apparently has Rocana wanted the poison issue to be forwarded by us, because we are the people who did that? We should not have any access to the words of our guru? Sorry, ROCANA simply wants people to remain in ignorance and have no access to the documents of Srila Prabhupada. Rocana and his "group" never would have known about all these documents, unless we had forwarded them in the first place, many years ago. This is an amazing admission on Rocana's part, he never wanted us to have these documents, because he wanted to suppress the words of the pure devotee, as do the bogus GBC gurus, who are also upset we got these documents as well.

Anyway! The main theme of the Prabhupadanugas is -- to take shelter of his vani -- and his books are the primary source of that vani. All these "dissenting" groups agree on this main principle. As a matter of fact, even "inside ISKCON" folks like Bhakti Caru swami and others are preaching our idea, that Srila Prabhupada is the main focus, and we can all access him through his vani (books).]

ROCANA: In Long Island, the GBC is battling the Ritviks not only for control of the temple, but of Srila Prabhupada's original New York corporation, ISKCON Inc., which is tied to the BBT and MVT trusts. 

[PADA: That was the GBC's choice, they wanted this lawsuit. And we are told the GBC guru party has already wasted more money on lawyers -- than the Long Island building is worth. That means, they do not want temples that worship Srila Prabhupada. They want to be worshiped themselves, and they will go to extreme measures trying to keep their bogus pooja going on, even at great monetary expense. 

And meanwhile, we are told some of the poor oppressed devotees in some "GBC managed" temples are not getting proper health care, never mind some ISKCON cows were sold for slaughter, because the leader's money is going to buy lawyers, and not to take care of the citizens of ISKCON. All this helps make more and more people totally disgusted with the GBC's guru program every day.]

ROCANA: In Bangalore, Madhu Pandit is waging his own war against ISKCON (reg. Mumbai 1971), but that battle is really over control of assets, not philosophy on diksa initiation. 

[PADA: Wrong. Madhu Pandit said he simply wants Srila Prabhupada to be the guru at these centers. It is all about the initiation issue. The Bangalore "property" is only an issue because that is where people are worshiping Srila Prabhupada as their guru, and the GBC finds that "not acceptable." In other words, anyone who does not want to worship the bogus GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children guru programs is banned, beat, sued and is sometimes -- assassinated. That has been their pattern since 1977, and Bangalore is simply the current focus of that pattern.]

ROCANA: Nonetheless, Madhu Pandit appears to be making Ritvikism the centerpiece of his settlement discussions, and Ritvik-vada serves as a very good foil in that regard.

[PADA: Correct, Madhu Pandit wants people to worship Srila Prabhupada and not the GBC's "illicit sex with men, women and children" messiahs program. It is a great argument, and should be the centerpiece argument, because it cannot be defeated i.e.: we do not want people to worship the GBC's illicit sex messiahs project, because it mis-represents what Srila Prabhupada is teaching, and it degrades the human society into animal life. 

For that matter, there are no religions, or religious people anywhere on earth, who are as bogus as the current GBC's gurus, i.e. those who promote the worship of illicit sex, drugs and so on, as the activity of God's successors and gurus. The current GBC guru's policy of worship of debauchees is simply not acceptable to human society, or even in cats and dogs society. Even animals do not worship illicit sex. 

So yes, this is our main argument, we do not want to have a society that worships less than animal life as its messiahs. Why is this a foil? And why does Rocana think our objecting to the worship of debauchees as Srila Prabhupada's successors is "a foil"? This mean Rocana is trivializing the worship of the pure devotee as some sort of foolish side track and foil issue?]

ROCANA: Madhu Pandit and company have already formed an independent movement: they have established their own Governing Body Commission, with individual GBC's elected by a network of some 30 Ritvik temple presidents in India, who have themselves been elected by local congregations. Although the Bangalore Ritviks embraced the DOM for purposes of justifying their GBC elections, the process they employed is not the same as the one spelled out in the DOM, and we are told that Madhu Pandit no longer has any real interest in the DOM.

[PADA: Again, the DOM is a supportive document. The main idea of establishing Srila Prabhupada as the acharya is what we are ALL interested in. And that is going on in Madhu Pandit's organization. Maybe some of the details are not all agreed upon, but the main principle is agreed upon among all the Prabhupadanugas.]

ROCANA: Nimai Pandit and the Long Island Ritviks have embraced the DOM for the long run, having welded it onto the ISKCON Inc. articles of incorporation. While Nimai Pandit was involved in helping Madhu Pandit to organize the Bangalore-run GBC elections process, his current process of establishing GBC's under ISKCON Inc. is apparently being done completely independent of the Bangalore Ritviks. Before his parting of ways with Madhu Pandit and Bangalore, Nimai Pandit described the plan for scaling the GBC elections process up worldwide in his article, "GBC Elections in Bangalore - Update" [46]:

"After the elections in India, ISKCON, Inc. will conduct elections in other regions in the world to elect GBC members from those regions. All these members from different regions will together constitute the Governing Body Commission of ISKCON. We expect that in each region, the leaders in that region will come together in an istagosthi format, with three members of the Trustee board of ISKCON, Inc appointed as an Election Commission Committee, to discuss and decide on the election policy for their region. The election policy will include the qualification of the temples that can be part of ISKCON, the qualification of their Temple Presidents, the ballot, how many GBCs to elect from that region, how many zones in the region, when will the elections be held, where, regional election commissioners, Independent observers, etc. "

[PADA: This is a sound foundation as a blueprint for moving forward. Rocana has never presented his idea of what he would do to manage the society?] 

ROCANA: At least at this juncture, it seems unlikely that the ISKCON Inc. GBC's and the India Ritvik GBC's will work cooperatively together, nor do we expect the India Ritvik GBC's will ever make themselves subordinate to the ISKCON Inc. GBC's.

[PADA: It really does not matter if all the groups are united on general management principles, because all the ritvik programs of all stripes are going to worship the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada. Some of them will cooperate on certain management processes, and some will not, but the main focus of "who is going to be worshiped" will be united.]

ROCANA: Nara Narayana is now divorced from both Madhu Pandit and Nimai Pandit, and is working primarily with Gaurangasundara and the so-called 'Prabhupadanugas'. But the Ritvik/Prabhupadanugas are also experiencing dissention in the ranks under the ISKCON Inc. umbrella, and we can expect to see another breakaway group that will likely disassociate itself from both the ISKCON Inc. and DOM groups, carrying on simply as the Prabhupadanuga Ritviks, with a focus on the book change issue.

[PADA: None of these dissenters are breaking away from the original core issue, that we need to establish the worship of HDG Srila Prabhupada.]

ROCANA: In all cases, the new GBC bodies are being seated around a new constitution, and both the Bangalore and Long Island Ritviks are in process of writing, or organizing to write their own constitutions. Several other groups are also in the process of writing their own constitutions, and some of them are preparing to re-constitute a governing body.

[PADA: OK, and should we not be working on a re-constituted GBC?]

ROCANA: Clearly, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness has entered a new era -- and a predictable one, at that. We have been saying for many years that if the GBC does not remediate itself and address the myriad problems in ISKCON, the society will fracture into many disparate groups. The stronger ones among them will develop into parallel ISKCONs, by whatever name, each presenting a version of Krsna Consciousness as they believe Srila Prabhupada instructed it. The range of variation will be significant, as we can already see just in the realm of guru-tattva.

[PADA: Rocana has never explained what his guru tattva idea is, at all? He has said all along that there is always a living guru, but he has never named that living guru, which clearly means he -- lied and bluffed when he said -- he has one to promote. He has no guru to promote at all. 

He says out idea of worship of the pure devotees is wrong, but he has not told us, what is his better idea? Apparently he wants us to -- worship nothing? He never says? I told him if he identifies his living guru, we can then study the words of his living guru, but he has never presented even one sentence from his living guru? So apparently, his living guru also cannot speak, in addition to the fact he has no name, no body, no books, no temples and so on? In other words Rocana would rather the mass of people have no guru at all, rather than Srila Prabhupada as their guru. This is called atheism, no God is better than worship of God. Rocana's guru tattva is atheistic.]

ROCANA: Like Bangalore and Long Island, the various GBC's being formed will not likely work cooperatively, at least for the foreseeable future. Perhaps 50 years from now the shattered society will again unite under a single banner, but for now the lines of division are becoming even deeper.

One of the interesting trends we see as the various separatist movements develop is the establishment of governance structures that employ a model of centralization, while simultaneously preaching an emphasis on decentralization, as Srila Prabhupada did. As we have demonstrated, the ISKCON Inc./DOM movement is a perfect example. The extreme opposite of this has also manifested, in the form of a small breakaway movement that is emphasizing decentralization, and is in fact so 'decentralized' there appears to be little differentiation at all in the philosophy or demographic it represents: it is 'one size fits all', everybody welcome. In many ways, that's what the GBC/ISKCON already is.

[PADA: The current ritvik movement is a loose confederation, ok, and what is the problem with that? Better to have a loose federation than a giant single entity, which can be sued and closed down from a single attacker?] 

ROCANA: Another active front in the Ritvik campaign that we have not yet mentioned in this series is the proliferation of Ritvik-vada in China.

[PADA: OK, well at least we have a program in China, Rocana has none, in China or anywhere else.]

ROCANA: Although less is heard about the movement in China, it has been going on for years with the support of Jitarati das. This branch of the Ritvik family has gotten very actively involved in the original books movement, but along with proliferating Ritvik-vada, it is also helping to distribute other compromised practices going on in the Indian and western Ritvik temples. 

One example of this was given in a story Nara Narayana Vishwakarma dasa told about his travels to China a few years ago with his son Kuvalesaya dasa. Jitarati das had invited the two to join him in China, to visit and encourage the Prabhupadanuga centers there to remain with Srila Prabhupada, and not to be subverted by B.V. Narayana Maharaja, who had made great inroads into China at the time. Nara Narayana was disturbed by the fact that the Chinese devotees in Guangzhou, while devoted to Srila Prabhupada, were playing "horrible kirtans and bhajans instead of Srila Prabhupada's Kirtans". When he asked why they were doing so, their response was: "Well, these bhajans are sent from Bangalore, so that is why we consider them authentic and bona fide."

[PADA: Right, but at least we have devotees who are chanting some kirtana or other, Rocana has none.  either? At least we have a program.]

ROCANA: So despite the common notion that being "Ritvik" or "Prabhupadanuga" means dedicating oneself to Srila Prabhupada's original program, without change, in fact the Ritvik influence is beginning to look more and more like the GBC/ISKCON every day: promoting demigod worship in the temple, encouraging mantra / kirtan rock bands, etc., etc.

[PADA: The main program in Bangalore is on their web cam, there are no real major problems there that I can see.] 

ROCANA: As Jitarati and the Bangalore Ritviks are pushing their movement into China, Nara Narayana and associates (primarily Gaurangasundara dasa of Jaipur) are pushing the DOM movement into Russia and Eastern Europe. Glorifying the results of these efforts, Nara Narayana reports that with his assistance, the DOM has now been placed in all of the European and Eastern European Prabhupadanuga Temples, and Gaurangasundara has put the DOM into almost 40 temples in Russia, and they have held at least one GBC election.

[PADA: Right, well the DOM is an important document.]

ROCANA: We have shown in great detail in this series the fallacy of the DOM position being promoted by Nara Narayana and Gaurangasundara dasa -- it is little different than spreading bogus bhajan and kirtan into China, or conducting demigod worship in Sunnyvale, California. Likewise, the ISKCON Inc. movement is built on a concocted platform, and in fact, a highly offensive platform of changing without authorization Srila Prabhupada's transcendental 1966 New York corporation.

[PADA: Rocana has no unchanged movement for us to compare the "bogus ritviks" to? Rocana has no movement, no kirtana, no books, no temples, no nothing going on.] 

ROCANA: Whether it is Bangalore or ISKCON Inc., the DOM movement or the Prabhupadanugas, if there is apa-siddhantic Ritvik-vada at the core, then the preaching will suffer. 

[PADA: Saying that Srila Prabhupada is the guru is -- apa-siddhanta? OK, what should we be saying insteed?]

ROCANA: No matter how concise a constitution may be, no matter how many new GBC's are appointed to office, when instructions like the July 9th Letter, the Direction of Management and the Topmost Urgency are misunderstood and the Founder-Acarya's purpose is misrepresented, there is no possibility of returning to His Divine Grace's pure preaching mission. Changing the philosophy and offering convoluted versions of historical documents will not take us back to 1977. What's needed is a revival of the real ISKCON -- the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, As It Is.

[PADA: As it is, except Rocana wants the kingdom of God, without God. He wants ISKCON, but not Srila Prabhupada to be the guru for ISKCON. This is not the original ISKCON. We want the original, worship of Srila Prabhupada is the original idea. And Rocana says our preaching is not effective, except every day he writes "How The Ritviks Are Bogus PT. 357." All he ever writes about is, us? He never writes about any other program, except us. If we are not effective, then why is he writing about us day and night all the time? That means we are having effect, and Rocana is lying when he says we are not. ys pd] 

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Yes, Krishna saves His devotees, for sure!

Yes prabhu, Srila Prabhupada saved my life, no question. I am going to be on public TV (Investigation Discovery "Deadly Devotion") on July 9th, discussing how the leaders wanted to have me assassinated for bringing forward Srila Prabhupada's documents and vani, and how Srila Prabhupada and Krishna (in the shape of the police) saved me. Yes, even the TV people understand, Krishna and Srila Prabhupada saved this man, he should be dead by now. Srila Prabhupada is our savior, without him, we would be dead, absolutely a fact. Srila Prabhupada, our savior, ki jaya! And Rocana was one of the people who was part of the reformers who had us excommunicated for forwarding documents, and he is still trying to suppress us, and the documents, right! ys pd

Bhakti Vikas Swami "Balancing Guru Bhakti and ISKCON Values"

Balancing Guru Bhakti And ISKCON Values
Published June 11, 2013

By His Holiness Bhakti Vikasa Swami

"CLIQUE"

[PADA: OK, so the leaders of ISKCON finally admit -- ISKCON has been divided into "guru cliques." This was the first rattle out of the box in 1978, their "gurus" started competing and infighting over zones, territory, disciples, money, buildings, assets, life members -- and so on. Rather amazing that it has taken some of these ISKCON leaders over 35 years to even begin to see this -- is -- a problem. And due to this problem taking over the whole priority focus of ISKCON for the past 35 years, the other problems were not dealt with, like bad media, criminal activity, child abuse, mass purges of devotees, bankrupting the society, book changes and so on. 

They also started a big fight "who is more rasika," with Jayatirtha winning that battle easily, using his LSD, marijuana and drug "ecstasy" program. Then Tamal started his Narayan Maharaja rasika club and so on. And now, we find more people who are saying ISKCON has become a group of independent fiefdoms, Marxist dictatorships, guru cults, Oligarchies, and so on. The BVKS people are more or less saying that as well, but in nicer terms -- "cliques."  

Dictatorship? Is that not what a "clique" is? Its not rule by consensus, its rule by the leaders of the clique, the elites. Of course, they are ONLY using the word clique -- and NOT using the real words meant to describe what is really happening: "individual personality cults," and these cults are fighting over the assets of ISKCON for the past 35 years.  

And this happened right away after 1978. We had New Vrndavana people who were putting sugar into the gas tanks of Hansadutta's samkirtana vans, and Hamsadutta's people were putting sugar into the gas tanks of the New Vrndvana samkirtana vans, and so on and so forth. There was also fighting of all types, serious vilification, insults, and even death threats among the guru camps. 

And foolish people like the apa-GBC, Danavir, Vipramukhya, BVKS and ilk, they all promoted the idea that all this odious schism infighting was the "divine lila of the pure servants of Radharani"! What! Yep, this is quite common in the spiritual world, people are pouring sugar into your vehicle over there in Vaikuntha, hoping you will crash and die! And BVKS program thinks -- this is the activity of the Lord's Vaikuntha servants?  

The "guru wars" issue has never been settled, and it has had many other odious out croppings and symptoms such as -- fighting over "re-initiating disciples." Another issue that is creating friction all the time has been "stealing the disciples from another zone." That makes ISKCON appear to be a bunch of fractured and separated "guru franchises" rather than a unified preaching mission. Is this not what ALSO happened to the Gaudiya Matha?

Basically, the "guru wars" is a long and sordid mess, which we could detail in another 250 pages of writing, suffice it to say, the leaders have had some severe infighting going on all along. Satsvarupa wrote about this in his diaries, that the constant infighting, friction, if not yelling and shouting of the gurus at the Mayapura meetings, is giving him migraine headaches, so he can not attend. 

Gurus are normally giving people bliss, and not  normally giving people migraines? This begs the question, how can people who are infighting like cats and dogs be -- Lord Krishna's successor gurus? And why doesn't BVKS know this? BVKS does not know that cat and dog infighting is not the symptom of the intimate servants of Radharani? Rather BVKS promotes the idea that the servants of Radharani are something like Los Angeles street gangsters, who insult one another, fight like cats and dogs over money, territory, followers, and so on. Yes its true, only persons following BVKS would compare the servants of Radharani to Los Angeles gangster's turf wars. That means of course, these folks have zero clue as to what is a servant of Radha and Krishna.]  

Divine Lila? Radha's servants "engaged in turf wars"? What are the people in the BVKS program smoking?

  

Introduction by His Grace Lakshmi Nrsimhadeva Dasa

Lakshmi Nrsinghadeva dasa: ISKCON’s code and ethics are based on Srila Prabhupada’s teachings and the direction of GBC the governing body appointed by him to govern ISKCON. The personal life of devotees is again largely governed by the above two. The practicing devotees seek shelter of a spiritual master in ISKCON as part of their sadhana bhakti which also brings another dimension to their spiritual life namely the serving the spiritual master or diksha guru in his specific service to the movement. 

[PADA: OK, where exactly does Srila Prabhupada order the "Governing Body" members to act as acharyas, and claim they can absorb sins like Jesus is doing? And when their gurus are falling down, then they have explained, this is all due to "absorbing too many sins," even "having too many ghosts," and so on, but there are no examples of any acharyas falling into illicit sex with men, women and children, because "they absorbed too many sins"? 

Absorbing too many sins?

Why would a person who is like Jesus, and who can absorb sins like Jesus, take any interest in material life anyway? At all! And why are the regular "ordinary Joe citizen" devotees, ok like us, who have no official position in the society, feeling mainly freedom from illicit sex, drugs and so on, whereas there is a self evident epidemic of these failures among the GBC's alleged "sin absorbing like Jesus" messiah's class? And does not BVKS know it is very sinful to say that people who are like Jesus are -- overwhelmed -- by sinful activity due to "absorbing too many sins"? Where does the BVKS program come up with these idiot ideas? Oh, I forgot, they consulted with Sridhara maharaja, Narayan Maharaja, and others who also supported false gurus in India -- and who invented these types of bogus rationalizations.

If the GBC first of all "2/3 show of hands votes in" their sin absorbing Jesus like gurus, and then monitors, chastises, checks and balances, censures, suspends, and excommunicates their gurus, this begs the self evident question, how did the GBC become the superior authority to the acharyas? When did Srila Prabhupada say: "Henceforward, the GBC is the higher authority over the Lord and His successors and acharyas"? When did Srila Prabhupada say the acharyas shall be: Voted in, voted out, suspended, censured, monitored, removed, excommunicated, and -- removed when the guru absorbs too many sins like Jesus is doing, and so forth? 

Nor do we see any value to their GBC "excommunication" process anyway, since they already excommunicated Kirtanananda, and yet just now their biggest GBC leaders helped bury his dead body in the holy dham of Vrndavana? What is the use of their excommunion -- since they are then going to make their excommunicated debauchees, molesters and criminals -- into their topmost Holy Dham deities? And where is any of this authorized by Srila Prabhupada?] 

LND: Today there are many Srila Prabhupada disciples serving as spiritual masters and guiding their disciples in Krishna Consciousness. 

[PADA: OK being someone who can absorb sins like Jesus, being God's pure living representative on earth, is a "service" granted by the GBC? So what happens when we give the service of being the brain surgeon to the hospital janitor? This makes no sense, the BVKS program is issuing "messiah certificates" -- you are now going to absorb sins, you are as good as Jesus, because that is your -- service? And where does Srila Prabhupada say that being God's successor and a messiah who can absorb sins is -- a "service" granted to someone by the GBC's rubber stamp of votes? Is this not the "rubber stamp of guru" problem that Srila Prabhupada constantly criticized, attacked, and said -- would lead people to hell?] 

LND: As Krishna exhibits many a mellow or rasa in dealing with his devotees his devotees too are heterogenous in the way they relate with him. So this plurality within the ambit of teachings of Srila Prabhupada is undoubtedly strength of our movement and gives a spirit of unity in diversity. But on the dark side there are dangers of guru based groups with a sectarian outlook which could weaken the ideals that Srila Prabhupada envisioned for ISKCON.

[PADA: This is pretty amazing, there is a "dark side" to having "a plurality" of Krishna's successors and messiahs on the planet? One would NORMALLY think that the more messiahs we have on the planet, the more Vaikuntha the atmosphere would be here? Nope, the more messiahs we have on the planet, the more its in danger, the more the world descends into hellish infighting? Do these people ever actually read any shastra, ever? Yep, the more devotees of Radharani we have on the planet, the more the planet becomes a Satanic schism and dark hell? What! 

Sorry, the more messiahs we have on the planet, the more there is light and divine realization, and the darkness goes away. The whole idea that the increase of more servants of Radha and Krishna on the planet means, the more the planet moves into the dark side, is a direct insult, attack, and maha-aparadha to the Divine Couple and their sevakas. Notice how foolish the BVKS people are, they actually think the more we have divine messiahs from God on the planet, the more the planet descends into hell, danger and Satanic "darkness." 

And BVKS says these dark lords simply need a little advice, and BVKS is going to advise them, instead of admitting they are bogus? They think the acharyas are leading people into the dark side and so on. This is simply insult upon insult to the Lord and His acharyas. Normally, people would say that Satan is taking people to the dark side, only BVKS group would dare say that God and His messiahs are taking the world to the dark side. Small wonder then -- these people go to the most obnoxious regions when they leave their dead carass behind, they are already there.]    

LND: The following article by H.H. Bhakti Vikasa Swami titled Dangers of Guru Groupism is a candid analysis of this syndrome and some suggestions on how to keep the central point i.e. keeping Srila Prabhupada’s ideals without having to compromise the plurality in the movement. This was published in Congregational Preaching Journal of ISKCON Congregational Development Ministry in Jan–Mar 04.

[PADA: Every time we turn around these people concoct another guru species and category? Machine gun gurus; Illicit sex gurus; LSD gurus, Gambling in Reno gurus; Chicken salad gurus; Even pedophile gurus. Now BVKS folks have come up with their newest "previously unheard of guru species" the "plurality of gurus leading us into the darkness species." Another previously unidentified guru species? Where does it all end?]

Newly identified guru species? 

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By His Holiness Bhakti Vikasa Swami

By the mercy of Srila Prabhupada, more and more people worldwide are coming to Krishna consciousness. Congregations especially are increasing. Along with this naturally come challenges, but better to face the challenges that arise from preaching than to have no preaching.

[PADA: By the mercy of Krishna (?) more and more people are being taught by the BVKS program that: God's messiahs are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, and other dangerous and dark things? Or is this going on by the mercy of Satan? Why is BVKS saying that by God's mercy, people are being told that God's messiahs are low class, evil, dark debauchees? By the mercy of God, we have to worship BVKS and his debauchee messiahs program, or leave ISKCON, and get beaten and killed on the way out the door? Then BVKS wonders why the temples are empty? Because the BVKS idea that God's gurus and successors are low class, illicit sex, and intoxication fools, destroys religion, which is the business of Kali Yuga, not Krishna? No, BVKS program is going on by the mercy of Kali Yuga and Satan and so on, not Krishna? Krishna has washed His hands of these fools a long time ago.

Worse, BVKS program has invented and concocted all these bogus hurdles and challenges. BVKS says we need to worship his gurus, who are all the time being caught "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children," that clearly means BVKS has no idea what a guru is in the first place. This also means he has no idea of what is ordinary morality, he cannot even find good moral men to act as his messiahs? 

Even our neighbor's cat Mr. Snuffles is not "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children." And that means: Mr. Snuffles will never become a messiah in the BVKS guru program, because he is way too advanced for their program. He is not as degraded as their messiahs from heaven. BVKS cannot even find people who are as advanced as Mr. Snuffles to be his messiahs from heaven? BVKS find the worst debauchees he can dig up on the planet, to declare as his acharyas and "Radha's sevakas." Well, these fools are messing with the wrong person here, anyone who insults Krishna, Radha, and their sevakas, will find themselves at the bottom of the barrel of species, and quickly. And they will stay in those lower species for -- the duration. And I have seen a lot of these lower species creeping around my house, goody, its a good place for fools to be situated, even I have to admit.]

Guess who wants us to worship illicit sex and intoxication, Satan and -- BVKS program! Unfortunately, they will both end up in the same location!

BVKS: A unique feature and strength of ISKCON is having many devotees awarding initiation. 

[PADA: It unique because its BVKS concoction.]

BVKS: But this can also engender problems. 

[PADA: Serving Krishna and Radha's pure sevakas is -- a big problem? That is what Satan says? All these people do -- all day long -- is figure out MORE odious ways to insult Krishna and His sevakas!]

BVKS: One problem that negatively affects the development of preaching is that of “guru groupism.” In some places there is no such competition, either due to enlightened leadership or more commonly because something resembling the old zonal acarya system is still prevalent, with new devotees having little choice in who they should take initiation from.

[PADA: Every years the GBC still delineates ZONES, they have never given that up?] 

BVKS: Although devotees have been aware of guru groupism, some have come to accept it as part of life, and to openly discuss it has seemingly been taboo. 

[PADA: Right, anyone who says the emporer has no clothes is booted out.]

BVKS: However, I submitted this topic for open discussion among ISKCON leaders. I suggested that in our movement some disciples tend to form groups centered around their gurus. 

[PADA: This was going on right at the start in 1978? When Jayatirtha blooped, he took 1,000 people with him, that was the result of guru group-ism, and this was well known all along. The GBC is producing personality cults.]

BVKS: Thus, rather than functioning as a united organization centered on serving the mission of Srila Prabhupada, we tend to form smaller sub-groups within the institution, each with the petty agenda of increasing its numbers, and-in competition with other such groups-to canvass new devotees and to promote their guru as best. Guru groupies become preoccupied with competing for new recruits rather than educating devotees on the principles and practices of spiritual life as taught by Srila Prabhupad. 

[PADA: Right the whole movement has been sacrificed at the altar of the BVKS bogus guru groupie program, all the preaching is stunted in the meantime, so people of the world are all going to hell by not being able to participate, and guess who gets the reward from the Yamaduttas for dragging all the human society to hell? BVKS team, thats who! I would not trade places with these people for all the gold in the universe, its not worth it.]

BVKS: Significantly, no one denied that such problem existed and discussion ensued as to the effects of this syndrome. His Holiness Lokanatha Maharaja commented that guru groupism is one of the greatest dangers facing our movement: if left unchecked it could lead to a complete splintering into various factions. It should be checked now, before it’s too late.

[PADA: Well it is already too late, you have ruined and bankrupted the movement, and left it with empty and bankrupted temples. The damage has already been done, you drove the good ship ISKCON onto the rocks and it sank, killing most of the passengers. All you can do now is plead for mercy in the court of public opinion, we all know you sank the ship and killed most of the passengers. You are in denial about it since 1977.] 

BVKS: Guru groupism tends to promote a neophyte, fanatical, divisive, and separatist mentality that cannot be healthy, neither for the individuals who subscribe to it, nor for our movement as a whole. Certainly there can be no real cooperation and unity if this syndrome persists.

[PADA: Right, you have created a society of neophytes, Jayapataka for example was lamenting many of his people cannot even read. You want these illiterate people, because they will beat and kill us, because they do not know any better. And further, you are creating a movement that is fanatical (people get killed) and you know that and admit that. That means all the blood of the beaten and killed is -- on your hands. As far as the origins of this syndrome, BVKS has to look in a mirror.] 

BVKS: Despite the above, my observation is that in many areas of the world devotees initiated by various ISKCON gurus tend to serve Srila Prabhupada’s mission in a spirit of cooperation. Although each devotee has a personal relationship with the guru, it is a private matter that creates no separatism in the interactions with disciples of other gurus. These devotees tend to better respect all gurus and senior devotees and to identify themselves as members of ISKCON and followers of Srila Prabhupada, rather than as members of a guru-based subgroup.

[PADA: That was the first thing the BVKS program did, they demonized the followers of Prabhupada as an evil sub-sect, so his devotees were getting banned, beaten and killed. This is something I now have to discuss on TV, its shocking even the ordinary people to know how evil the BVKS program is. So many of  the God brothers and sisters are now dead, and many of their children were molested and will never come back, ever. Even if they wanted to apologize to these brothers and sisters, its too late. Sorry you folks will die with the blood of many of these dead vaishnavas on your hands, they died of broken hearts after you jettisoned them from their father's house. Now there is no way to even fix it, you are doomed. I know, I see it, its a fact. All you can do now is soften the blow you are going to get in the court of Yama.] 

Other points I raised:

(1) Many people come to Krishna consciousness because they want to get away from the superficiality of material life, in which everyone is competing with each other. When they read Srila Prabhupada’s books they become inspired by the high ideals His Divine Grace articulates. But when such newcomers become subjected to the manipulative tactics of guru groupism, they think that the temple environment is the same as the material environment from which they seek relief. Upon encountering this neophyte competition, many intelligent people back off and leave Krishna consciousness altogether.

[PADA: BVKS is one of the original architects of this manipulative tactic, and now he is still saying, the gurus, the residents of Krishna loka, are masterminds of materialistic manipulation? Cannot BVKS say one paragraph without insulting the pure devotees as evil, manipulative, materially minded fools?]

(2) On the positive side, it was noted that if disciples of different gurus could unite more, we could achieve wonderful results, considering the ripeness of many of the affected preaching fields.

[PADA: Not going to work ever, the Gaudiya Matha gurus never united, its a pipe dream.]

(3) The stress should be on educating newcomers in what it means to be a disciple and what are the qualifications of a bona fide guru, thus enabling them to come to an intelligent decision based on genuine faith in guru. Without this, the number of disciples may increase, but the quality of guru-disciple relationships might be shallow and based on hype rather than genuine spiritual exchange.

[PADA: Newcomers already know the movement worships devils as saints, so they are not coming, they are paying money to go to new age kirtana around San Francsco, they are not interested in ISKCON after BVKS destroyed this movement with his disgusting worship of debauchees project.] 

(5) Some devotees believe that canvassing for new initiates is a service to their guru. But it is actually a disservice to the guru to bring him people insufficiently educated in what it means to be a disciple. Later, such recruits’ dubious activities would give the guru a bad reputation and extra karma. Another result of such aggressive canvassing is that later some devotees lament that they were unduly influenced or practically forced to take initiation without being given the chance to thoroughly examine the guru and make a thoughtful choice.

[PADA: Exactly. Its now a Frankenstein monster made by BVKS project, even he cannot control it, just like Sridhara could not control his bogus messiahs.] 

(8) The sustained input of gurus is required to rectify matters. Gurus should make clear to their disciples their duty to educate newcomers about the process of initiation, which includes making a personal decision based on knowledge and without undue pressure from others.

[PADA: Oh great, we need the gurus to fix this. The foxes are going to count the chickens? ys pd]

Rocana wants to halt the Bhaktivedanta Archives

Rocana says he wants to cut all funding for the BI, this program should be stopped, he wants to destroy the Srila Prabhupada archives program, told ya! Why does Rocana hate Srila Prabhupada's vani protection program? ys pd

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/06-13/editorials10252.htm