Saturday, November 24, 2012
Care giver needed for elderly Mataji
Care Givers for Padyavali Devi Dasi (ACBSP)
Hare Krishna!
PAMHO AGTSP
Padyavali Devi Dasi, is a long time fully dedicated senior disciple of Srila
Prabhupada who has been serving his ISKCON mission, mostly in Canada, since
the mid 70's. Her health is and has been poor for some time now and we are
looking for qualified female (preferred) care givers to help care for her.
M. Padyavali has been in the local hospital (Burnaby General) since November
7th, when she became unwell and was hallucinating. Since that time the
doctors have been working on stabilizing her medications, particularly the
ones for Parkinson's Disease, which can cause hallucinations if not given in
the right dosages. She is much better and will be ready for discharge
shortly.
We have been looking for appropriate care for M. Padyavali in her own home
but the reality has been that no matter how hard we try, the necessary
funding is not in place nor have we been successful in finding sufficient
care givers.
We are still advertising for female devotee care givers so that she can
return to her own home.
However, she cannot return without appropriate care in place, nor can any
"potential" Government funding be available until we have the appropriate
care givers in place.
M. Padyavali was advised by the doctors involved in her discharge, that if
we cannot arrange for the necessary funds and care givers she will have to
stay in a long-term care Gov't run facility. She is already on the list for
a bed. This is not an appropriate environment for any devotee.
Regarding care funding, we are trying different avenues for some Gov't
funding which may or not be available and if any will be in a limited
amount.
Any interested parties, please contact Bhavani Devi Dasi at
bhavani.sda@shaw.ca
Your aspiring servant,
Jaya Govinda Dasa
ISKCON Vancouver, Canada
Did Indradyumna mj. steal antique deity?
DEVOTEES IN PURI CRYING OVER STOLEN DEITY
Namaste jay Jagannath. I came in contact with this page and read my name ... mandalibhadra dasa (teo matteo) I can testify with also issuing evidence prove that Indradyumna swami years ago 'at all costs wanted to take possession of a narashinga deva murty, and bring out from an ancient temple more than 300 years old, categorically I refused to help Indradyumna sw, to such nasty activity by give big amount of money to bribe the two priests and make this trade.
I came to know that the bad business was being completed successfully by a devotee named Madhavavanda das, and American devotee (of Gaura Govinda maharaja) who lives in Bhubeneswar Orissa (from goplaju publication), and a close friend of Indradyumna named BB Govinda and Siva Ram. The same Madhavavanda made me discover a second pair of Murty that had been sold, radha and krishna, more antiques of that Siva rama SW.
That purchase from the temple of Svarupa Damodhara Goswami at puri was made, and so after that I started a long battle with the windmills (posting a wide range of evidence on this same site Facebook, also I was very ridiculed by their disciples, attracting against me a good deal of antipathy .. and threats.
The same indradyuma swami sent me a voice message by the President of the temple of Florence italy (that was when we were in Mayapur and he had tried a way of compromise) saying that if I pulled out this thing he would put me as his accomplice. Today I can 100% say that these so-called swamis love to show a collection for their personal gratification, by restricting the darsana of these valuable deities' to the whole world especially the Vaisnavas.
This' although I have never made a serious complaint to the police, but I always i have complaints with the authorities' institutional vaisnava and devotee, i was thing why make arrest them? That those swamis are still preaching krishna consciousness! This has been my thought if I denounced Indrayumna before at that time today he would not have so many followers because for this offense would be served at least 10 years in prison, and 'expulsion for life outside India. If someone today intends to do so I can testify. I like to remember you all that there is a special team that is able to recover stolen Murty after many years...in this case Indradyumna would remain locked in jaipur.... Right now.....
This' although I have never made a serious complaint to the police, but I always i have complaints with the authorities' institutional vaisnava and devotee, i was thing why make arrest them? That those swamis are still preaching krishna consciousness! This has been my thought if I denounced Indrayumna before at that time today he would not have so many followers because for this offense would be served at least 10 years in prison, and 'expulsion for life outside India. If someone today intends to do so I can testify. I like to remember you all that there is a special team that is able to recover stolen Murty after many years...in this case Indradyumna would remain locked in jaipur.... Right now.....
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Please note this conversation Indradyumna swami that I downloaded it from google This was the first version from google INDADYUMNA SW ADMIT: My Life and Soul 250 year old deity of Lakshmi-Nrimsha was stolen. I Took Longer to do my puja today as everyone is down at the Woodstock site setting up.
Some of my Lord's photos. Indradyumna Swami. this and 'self in a conversation Indrad.swmi give as proof of His false ego' Admitting That They Have foolishly in possession of deity Than 250 years old, when I began to frequent battle indradyuma and his company have done everything possible to eliminate the traces later appeared on google this.
There's a nice shot of Indradyumna Swami's Radha-vallabha, a deity worshipped for over 250 years. The gallery took me about half an hour to create. I'd like to hear your feedback. Ekadasi & Summer Solstice http://www.iskcon.net.au/2004/12/21#a1719 After further research I still retained some evidence ... one from a disciple of Siva ram swami. Siva ram where she admits that he has personally owned a Murty 400 years old. Another prove is that .bb govinda swami where he writes that the Deity of narashinga he was' stolen in the airport this was write in internet......
*I'll try to look for other evidence but I believe that my confession is more than enough with the photos of the temple indicated
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now read pleas the sense re irresponsibility of these swami far as it goes this is Restrictions on Exports from Indian governement..
ANTIQUES
Antiques which include sculpture, painting or other works of art and crafts, illustrative of science, art, crafts, religion of bygone ages and of historical interest which have been in existence for not less than one hundred years may not be exported out of India. Manuscripts, or other documents of scientific, historical, literary or aesthetic value in existence for not less than seventy-five years; art treasures-not necessarily antiques but of artistic and aesthetic value, also cannot be exported out of India. For clarification on the antiquity of an artifact, tourists can contact the following authorities and get information on the Acts and Rules governing Antiquities and Art Treasures Act, 1972.
New Delhi:
Director General, Archaeological Survey of India,
Janpath, New Delhi-110011
Telephone: 3019451, 3018879.
http://asi.nic.in/pdf_data/8.pdf
asi.nic.i************************************************************>>>>The Skanda Purana Warns That No One Should or sell by salagrama sila. One who puts a price on a salgram sila, sila sells to salgrama, ITS Gives His opinion on value, or examines one whit to estimate ITS salt value, all Such people will live in hell until time of universal destruction from Sri Padmanabha Goswami Vrindavana ....
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Teo Matteo EVIDENCE FROM Journal of Religious Culture
Journal für Religionskultur
Ed. by / Hrsg. von Edmund Weber
in Association with / in Zusammenarbeit mit Matthias Benad
Institute for Irenics / Institut für Wissenschaftliche Irenik
Johann Wolfgang Goethe-Universität Frankfurt am Main
ISSN 1434-5935- © E.Webe
Journal of Religious Culture - Shaligrams - Padmanabha Gosai:
http://www.uni-frankfurt.de/fb06/institute/irenik/relkultur33.html I'm sorry for my English please try the correction o all glories to Srila Prabhupada jay jagannath
ANTIQUES
Antiques which include sculpture, painting or other works of art and crafts, illustrative of science, art, crafts, religion of bygone ages and of historical interest which have been in existence for not less than one hundred years may not be exported out of India. Manuscripts, or other documents of scientific, historical, literary or aesthetic value in existence for not less than seventy-five years; art treasures-not necessarily antiques but of artistic and aesthetic value, also cannot be exported out of India. For clarification on the antiquity of an artifact, tourists can contact the following authorities and get information on the Acts and Rules governing Antiquities and Art Treasures Act, 1972.
New Delhi:
Director General, Archaeological Survey of India,
Janpath, New Delhi-110011
Telephone: 3019451, 3018879.
http://asi.nic.in/pdf_data/8.pdf
asi.nic.i************************************************************>>>>The Skanda Purana Warns That No One Should or sell by salagrama sila. One who puts a price on a salgram sila, sila sells to salgrama, ITS Gives His opinion on value, or examines one whit to estimate ITS salt value, all Such people will live in hell until time of universal destruction from Sri Padmanabha Goswami Vrindavana ....
4 minutes ago ·Like
Teo Matteo EVIDENCE FROM Journal of Religious Culture
Journal für Religionskultur
Ed. by / Hrsg. von Edmund Weber
in Association with / in Zusammenarbeit mit Matthias Benad
Institute for Irenics / Institut für Wissenschaftliche Irenik
Johann Wolfgang Goethe-Universität Frankfurt am Main
ISSN 1434-5935- © E.Webe
Journal of Religious Culture - Shaligrams - Padmanabha Gosai:
http://www.uni-frankfurt.de/fb06/institute/irenik/relkultur33.html I'm sorry for my English please try the correction o all glories to Srila Prabhupada jay jagannath
Friday, November 23, 2012
Thursday, November 22, 2012
Gaura Hari dasa promoting Radhanatha swami?
CHANDRA SHAKER: Yes I have spent the last two days discussing this on a thread, and Gura Hari and his group now promote Radhanath swami as a great devotee, even suggesting he is the new Acharya, which due to my offenses and lack of spiritual advancment, I am unable to see...lol. GH craves attention and followers and will adopt any pseudo philosophy to meet this end, rather than present Prabhupada's teachings they distort the actual truth, ignore the facts and pretend they are advanced devotees on a platform above everyone else.
Wednesday, November 21, 2012
My guru garland is not big enough!
This is what we cannot comprehend, people are always criticizing us, but only sometimes or not at all criticizing these rogue gurus! Have we not seen enough already!
Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Grass roots process is best
PADA: Actually we are taking ISKCON back one brick at a time, one person at a time, one building at a time, it is happening. Small wonder the GBC's favorite topic is "the ritviks" because they know our idea is catching on. And when we convince even one person, like we did recently when a temple devotee talked to me for about 2 hours and he was totally shocked, he will gradually influence his other devotee friends and family and he will convert more and more people over time, ok a few at a time here and there.
Right now the GBC itself seems to be dwindling and bogging down with side tracked topics like, "Should we vote in a bunch of women gurus," with a big fight over that issue between Bhakti Vikas swami's GHQ camp and Ajamila's "feminist movement" and so on.
And meanwhile Radhanatha is under attack from various other GBC for being a mayavada and so on. Even some of the prominent women in ISKCON are attacking all sorts of the GBC's big leaders right now warning about all of this as deviation and so on.
So this means they are weakening as we continue to grow. In general, I do not think there will be one major swoop where we win in an instant, it is a gradual war of attrition. As we grow, and they diminish, we are taking over gradually.
That is called "grass roots take over" and that is really what I favor for the following reason: At the same time its good we are not taking over in an instant, we do not have sufficient manpower to manage even small programs hardly at present.
Even if the bogus GBC theoretically handed us over the keys today, we could not take over much of anything right now without enough people. So its better we develop gradually as grass roots and take over in manageable chunks, smaller bits we can chew one piece at a time.
If we try to take over a big project and then the deity situation etc. falls apart and so on, this will be another major mess and we will be blamed badly for that. So I am happy with the way its going now, we are gaining a few people here and there, so we are building a force that can take over gradually.
And even if we cannot take over in the end, then our force will become independent and dominant as we "out preach" them, just as Srila Prabhupada did with the Gaudiya Matha, he simply out did them and he won by default. So we will ALSO win by default if we are doing a better job, more and more people will come to us. And they are coming because our idea makes more sense. That is already happening, hence: grass roots is another form of revolution, but its slow motion, which is what works better.
For example, we have the only temple in one South Pacific area, the guru there told his people not to come to us, but since we have the only program there, the ISKCON folks come anyway, and they are adopting our ideas. So this gradual grass roots is the best way to do things, if we get too much too soon, we will not be able to manage and it will make us look foolish. We should focus on making our own small but efficient independent process and build brick by brick, that is the best process for us at the moment. Too much too soon will not work, Krishna is already arranging grass roots and that is the best thing anyway. At least, that is my idea. At the same time I am always ready to use our program to forward a better idea, if someone has one good one and can show us how that works in practice, we will promote it. Otherwise our idea is working already, because its producing practical result. ys pd
Right now the GBC itself seems to be dwindling and bogging down with side tracked topics like, "Should we vote in a bunch of women gurus," with a big fight over that issue between Bhakti Vikas swami's GHQ camp and Ajamila's "feminist movement" and so on.
And meanwhile Radhanatha is under attack from various other GBC for being a mayavada and so on. Even some of the prominent women in ISKCON are attacking all sorts of the GBC's big leaders right now warning about all of this as deviation and so on.
So this means they are weakening as we continue to grow. In general, I do not think there will be one major swoop where we win in an instant, it is a gradual war of attrition. As we grow, and they diminish, we are taking over gradually.
That is called "grass roots take over" and that is really what I favor for the following reason: At the same time its good we are not taking over in an instant, we do not have sufficient manpower to manage even small programs hardly at present.
Even if the bogus GBC theoretically handed us over the keys today, we could not take over much of anything right now without enough people. So its better we develop gradually as grass roots and take over in manageable chunks, smaller bits we can chew one piece at a time.
If we try to take over a big project and then the deity situation etc. falls apart and so on, this will be another major mess and we will be blamed badly for that. So I am happy with the way its going now, we are gaining a few people here and there, so we are building a force that can take over gradually.
And even if we cannot take over in the end, then our force will become independent and dominant as we "out preach" them, just as Srila Prabhupada did with the Gaudiya Matha, he simply out did them and he won by default. So we will ALSO win by default if we are doing a better job, more and more people will come to us. And they are coming because our idea makes more sense. That is already happening, hence: grass roots is another form of revolution, but its slow motion, which is what works better.
For example, we have the only temple in one South Pacific area, the guru there told his people not to come to us, but since we have the only program there, the ISKCON folks come anyway, and they are adopting our ideas. So this gradual grass roots is the best way to do things, if we get too much too soon, we will not be able to manage and it will make us look foolish. We should focus on making our own small but efficient independent process and build brick by brick, that is the best process for us at the moment. Too much too soon will not work, Krishna is already arranging grass roots and that is the best thing anyway. At least, that is my idea. At the same time I am always ready to use our program to forward a better idea, if someone has one good one and can show us how that works in practice, we will promote it. Otherwise our idea is working already, because its producing practical result. ys pd
Prabhupada forum in Russian language
http://guruprabhupada.forum24.ru/?1-2-0-00000069-000-0-0-1343003652
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Sunday, November 18, 2012
How to maintain the parampara (by Vidura dasa)
How to maintain the Parampara
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition
Madhya-lila 7.128-130 - The Lord's Tour of South India:
TEXT 128
yāre dekha, tāre kaha 'kṛṣṇa'-upadeśa
āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra' ei deśa
TRANSLATION
"Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa as they are given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land."
Purport
This is the sublime mission of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. [...] If one is a little literate and can read the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that is so much the better. These works are now available in an English translation and are done very authoritatively to appeal to all classes of men. [...] The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is trying to elevate human society to the perfection of life by pursuing the method described by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu in His advice to the brāhmaṇa Kūrma. That is, one should stay at home, chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and preach the instructions of Kṛṣṇa as they are given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
yāre dekha, tāre kaha 'kṛṣṇa'-upadeśa
āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra' ei deśa
TRANSLATION
"Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa as they are given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land."
Purport
This is the sublime mission of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. [...] If one is a little literate and can read the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that is so much the better. These works are now available in an English translation and are done very authoritatively to appeal to all classes of men. [...] The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is trying to elevate human society to the perfection of life by pursuing the method described by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu in His advice to the brāhmaṇa Kūrma. That is, one should stay at home, chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and preach the instructions of Kṛṣṇa as they are given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
"Simply read my books and repeat what I have written then your preaching will be perfect."
Letter to: Ksirodakasayi : 75-09-04
"There is nothing new to be said. Whatever I had to say, I have already said in my books. Now you must try to understand it and continue with your endeavors. Whether I am present or not does not matter."
Arrival Conversation, Vrindavan, 17/5/77
Reporter: What will happen to the movement in the United States when you die?
Srila Prabhupada: I will never die [Devotees: Jaya! Haribol!] (laughter) I will live from my books and you will utilize.
Press Conference, 16/7/75, San Francisco
"The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This is what I want.”
Letter to Madhudvisa, 4/8/1975
“I am the Spiritual Master of this institution, and all the members of the Society, they’re supposed to be my disciples. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are initiated by me spiritually.”
Radio interview, March 12, 1968, San Francisco
"I also thank you very much for your appreciation of my books and letters and for my speaking in the meetings. They are not my words, as I have repeatedly informed you that I am simply the bearer of the message from Lord Caitanya through the disciplic succession and I do not make any addition or subtraction. Similarly, if you all carry these words successively, then the transcendental parampara system will be exactly maintained and people in general will be benefited."
Letter to: Bhagavan -- Los Angeles 10 January, 1970
Guest: Are you planning to choose a successor?
Srila Prabhupada: It is already successful.
Room conversation, 12/2/75 Mexico
Saturday, November 17, 2012
Srila Prabhupada disappearance Pondichery India
Not sure whose temple this here, but this is a nice rememberance of Srila Prabhupada!
Chitralekha dasi : women gurus problem
Fearful for the Future of ISKCON
BY: CHITRALEKHA DEVI DASI
Further discussion with Ajamila das on the issue of Female Diksa Gurus.
Dear Respected Ajamila Prabhu, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. My comments below. You wrote:
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Ajamila (das) ACBSP (Goloka Books - UK) wrote:
Dear Citralekha d.d. Hare Krishna!! Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Your letter is an eye opener for sure, showing the perspective from a woman as yourself that a man cannot so easily see, your summary said it all:
BY: CHITRALEKHA DEVI DASI
Further discussion with Ajamila das on the issue of Female Diksa Gurus.
Dear Respected Ajamila Prabhu, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. My comments below. You wrote:
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Ajamila (das) ACBSP (Goloka Books - UK) wrote:
Dear Citralekha d.d. Hare Krishna!! Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Your letter is an eye opener for sure, showing the perspective from a woman as yourself that a man cannot so easily see, your summary said it all:
>> To conclude, from this soul's (in a female body) point of view this whole
>> idea of female diksha guru is the essence of stupidity, a disaster for
>> ISKCON and Lord Caitanya's preaching mission.
I agree with you that female diksha gurus for ISKCON would be a disaster IF the wrong women are allowed to initiate. It appears you have not met any woman sufficiently qualified to be diksha guru, but have you met every woman in ISKCON?
I'm not going to name anyone but if betting was not against the regulative principles I would bet my bottom dollar that I could find at least a hand full in the big ISKCON world who would be sufficiently qualified and would honour ISKCON and Lord Chaitanya's preaching movement.
We don't need a Gangamata lime liberated soul, we only need a woman who has good sadhana, has attained nistha, is learned, a preacher, and can match in their own way what our existing male gurus in good standing are doing.
I find this disturbing. If Srila Prabhupada said it was a rare thing and that he had to strain his memory to come up with one example there must have been a reason for the rarity. And now we think that we know better that Bhaktisiddhanta who said we should not imitate exceptional cases. Now you want to ignore what Srila Prabhupada said. Why then for the last 500 plus years in bona fide sampradayas (not talking about sahajiya and apasampradayas who do all nonsense) have there been so few female diksha gurus. So few that HH Sridhar Svami said they could be counted on the fingers of one hand. And that these few female diksa gurus were actually exceptional. And why in our parampara (I don't care about other sahajiya apasampradayas) there are no female diksha gurus. There are none on the list of 32 published in Bhagavad Gita As It Is. Now you are saying we can just brush all this aside. This makes me very fearful for the future of ISKCON if we think we (who have so many scandals behind us) are wiser than our acaryas when in fact we are fools and ready to step into a minefield.
Another thing I find very strange is that the general body of devotees are not informed ahead of time as to who is being nominated to be a diksha guru unlike sannyasa candidates who are put on public waiting lists. I never knew till much later that Drutakarma and the late Purnachandra Goswami were diksha gurus till after they had started to initiate. Why all this secrecy?
I mention this because I just found out that the whole reason for this recent hue and cry about female diksha gurus was because another woman was secretly nominated. On inquiry I found it was Mother Narayani dd. This came as a real shock for me because just a few years ago when I was in Vrndavana the news was that Narayani mataji was totally desperate to get married and had even begged Kurma Rupa Prabhu (cow protection) to marry her. So how is it that a woman who is a desperado for male association is now fit to be a diksa guru? All I can say is this "Ladies you better lock up your husbands and sons when Narayani dd comes to town."
And if you don't think women can exploit their positions then here is another "eye opener" for you:
Boys on Street Sexually Exploited by Women
and female teachers who really love their students:
Female Pedophiles
Considering that some women are teaching the brahmacaris "Bhakti sastra" courses at the VIHE (reported to me by a brahmacari who was being taught by Prasanta dd in 2009) this can only lead to trouble. Or do you actually think that it is only men who have sex desires and we women never think of such things? As I said before "you men are such simple things." The fact that the leaders in ISKCON are not extra vigilant to protect our vital mission for the upliftment of humanity is really depressing.
Yours in the service of the Vaisnavas,
Citralekha dd
>> idea of female diksha guru is the essence of stupidity, a disaster for
>> ISKCON and Lord Caitanya's preaching mission.
I agree with you that female diksha gurus for ISKCON would be a disaster IF the wrong women are allowed to initiate. It appears you have not met any woman sufficiently qualified to be diksha guru, but have you met every woman in ISKCON?
I'm not going to name anyone but if betting was not against the regulative principles I would bet my bottom dollar that I could find at least a hand full in the big ISKCON world who would be sufficiently qualified and would honour ISKCON and Lord Chaitanya's preaching movement.
We don't need a Gangamata lime liberated soul, we only need a woman who has good sadhana, has attained nistha, is learned, a preacher, and can match in their own way what our existing male gurus in good standing are doing.
I find this disturbing. If Srila Prabhupada said it was a rare thing and that he had to strain his memory to come up with one example there must have been a reason for the rarity. And now we think that we know better that Bhaktisiddhanta who said we should not imitate exceptional cases. Now you want to ignore what Srila Prabhupada said. Why then for the last 500 plus years in bona fide sampradayas (not talking about sahajiya and apasampradayas who do all nonsense) have there been so few female diksha gurus. So few that HH Sridhar Svami said they could be counted on the fingers of one hand. And that these few female diksa gurus were actually exceptional. And why in our parampara (I don't care about other sahajiya apasampradayas) there are no female diksha gurus. There are none on the list of 32 published in Bhagavad Gita As It Is. Now you are saying we can just brush all this aside. This makes me very fearful for the future of ISKCON if we think we (who have so many scandals behind us) are wiser than our acaryas when in fact we are fools and ready to step into a minefield.
Another thing I find very strange is that the general body of devotees are not informed ahead of time as to who is being nominated to be a diksha guru unlike sannyasa candidates who are put on public waiting lists. I never knew till much later that Drutakarma and the late Purnachandra Goswami were diksha gurus till after they had started to initiate. Why all this secrecy?
I mention this because I just found out that the whole reason for this recent hue and cry about female diksha gurus was because another woman was secretly nominated. On inquiry I found it was Mother Narayani dd. This came as a real shock for me because just a few years ago when I was in Vrndavana the news was that Narayani mataji was totally desperate to get married and had even begged Kurma Rupa Prabhu (cow protection) to marry her. So how is it that a woman who is a desperado for male association is now fit to be a diksa guru? All I can say is this "Ladies you better lock up your husbands and sons when Narayani dd comes to town."
And if you don't think women can exploit their positions then here is another "eye opener" for you:
Boys on Street Sexually Exploited by Women
and female teachers who really love their students:
Female Pedophiles
Considering that some women are teaching the brahmacaris "Bhakti sastra" courses at the VIHE (reported to me by a brahmacari who was being taught by Prasanta dd in 2009) this can only lead to trouble. Or do you actually think that it is only men who have sex desires and we women never think of such things? As I said before "you men are such simple things." The fact that the leaders in ISKCON are not extra vigilant to protect our vital mission for the upliftment of humanity is really depressing.
Yours in the service of the Vaisnavas,
Citralekha dd
Srila Prabhupada disappearance day
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Friday, November 16, 2012
PADA Letter to Enver 11/16/12
Dear Enver,
1) The charge that Madhu Pandit "stole the Bangalore property" is because he is using this property for the worship of Srila Prabhupada, and of course the child molester gurus project disagreed and they claimed he is a thief, and you agree MPD is a thief. That means you are agreeing with the molester acharyas program's view of things. I have no idea why you accept any of the "facts" and legal arguments provided by the molester acharyas program, or its lawyers, courts and so on?
And worse, you are also quoting Rocana, who ALSO accepts the molester acharyas program's "legal facts," because he is more in favor of the molester acharyas program and he is anti-ritvik. Why are these people our authorities? At all?
2) You say you accept the court's claims. You accept a court that says child molester gurus programs can enter their court and validly charge anyone with anything? This is a bogus court, but you and Rocana say you accept the claims of this court? Why are you accepting a court that validates a homosexual and pedophile guru process? Rocana's writers says the same thing as you, the court has "got the goods" on MPD, except if they did, why have they never arrested him since 1997? That means they do not have the goods, and why would we accept the statements of the molester acharyas program, or the bogus courts that supports them, anyway?
3) You and Rocana can accept a court that allows pedophile acharya's programs in their court as valid, whereas I do not accept such parties as valid. You and Rocana are quoting the legal side from the pedophile acharyas program, why are they valid? And why should we accept such a court, Rocana and you never explain?
4) You said that the Madhu Pandit program is making money, false, the temple here has $4,500 monthly expenses, the leaders here have to pay the rest because they do not get enough donations to pay these expenses.
5) You still have not explained why we should listen to Rocana when he has no program at all? Is this the example we need to follow, no temples, no deities, no preaching, no harinamas, no making devotees, no nothing?
6) Moreover you say we need to listen to Rocana, who says our worship of Srila Prabhupad program is apa-siddhanta and poisonous. That means you are publicly and openly promoting a severe offender. Therefore, what kind of discrimination do you have is the real question?
7) Madhu Pandit and his people are getting out the story of the molester gurus, the poison issue, the changed books issue, and so many other issues, all over the public media in India. They are exposing these bogus gurus to millions of people, whereas you and Rocana have zero impact on the media in India. Zero. The story is getting out because of these people, and they are risking their lives doing that. You support cowards like Rocana who backed off the poison case. Well we support the brave people who are getting the job done. Waiting for you folks, this job would never get done, ever.
ys pd
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Dear Enver, You said Rocana has something important to say, and he says worship of Prabhupada is poison. That makes him invalid. Rocana says a court in India that accepts homosexual pedophile acharyas is a valid court, and you said you agreed with their legal claims, that means you accept a court that allows homosexual pedophile acharyas in the door in the first place.
1) The charge that Madhu Pandit "stole the Bangalore property" is because he is using this property for the worship of Srila Prabhupada, and of course the child molester gurus project disagreed and they claimed he is a thief, and you agree MPD is a thief. That means you are agreeing with the molester acharyas program's view of things. I have no idea why you accept any of the "facts" and legal arguments provided by the molester acharyas program, or its lawyers, courts and so on?
And worse, you are also quoting Rocana, who ALSO accepts the molester acharyas program's "legal facts," because he is more in favor of the molester acharyas program and he is anti-ritvik. Why are these people our authorities? At all?
2) You say you accept the court's claims. You accept a court that says child molester gurus programs can enter their court and validly charge anyone with anything? This is a bogus court, but you and Rocana say you accept the claims of this court? Why are you accepting a court that validates a homosexual and pedophile guru process? Rocana's writers says the same thing as you, the court has "got the goods" on MPD, except if they did, why have they never arrested him since 1997? That means they do not have the goods, and why would we accept the statements of the molester acharyas program, or the bogus courts that supports them, anyway?
3) You and Rocana can accept a court that allows pedophile acharya's programs in their court as valid, whereas I do not accept such parties as valid. You and Rocana are quoting the legal side from the pedophile acharyas program, why are they valid? And why should we accept such a court, Rocana and you never explain?
4) You said that the Madhu Pandit program is making money, false, the temple here has $4,500 monthly expenses, the leaders here have to pay the rest because they do not get enough donations to pay these expenses.
5) You still have not explained why we should listen to Rocana when he has no program at all? Is this the example we need to follow, no temples, no deities, no preaching, no harinamas, no making devotees, no nothing?
6) Moreover you say we need to listen to Rocana, who says our worship of Srila Prabhupad program is apa-siddhanta and poisonous. That means you are publicly and openly promoting a severe offender. Therefore, what kind of discrimination do you have is the real question?
7) Madhu Pandit and his people are getting out the story of the molester gurus, the poison issue, the changed books issue, and so many other issues, all over the public media in India. They are exposing these bogus gurus to millions of people, whereas you and Rocana have zero impact on the media in India. Zero. The story is getting out because of these people, and they are risking their lives doing that. You support cowards like Rocana who backed off the poison case. Well we support the brave people who are getting the job done. Waiting for you folks, this job would never get done, ever.
ys pd
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Dear Enver, You said Rocana has something important to say, and he says worship of Prabhupada is poison. That makes him invalid. Rocana says a court in India that accepts homosexual pedophile acharyas is a valid court, and you said you agreed with their legal claims, that means you accept a court that allows homosexual pedophile acharyas in the door in the first place.
Even a 5 years old child knows your logic is bogus, how can we accept a court that validates child molester messiahs? I do not accept such fools into a court. Then, when we said the court is promoting homosexual pedophile acharyas, you tried to say Srila Prabhupada would agree with such a court. This is trying to link him to your and Rocana's bogus claims.
The criminal act here is Rocana: accepting homosexual pedophile gurus into the court in the first place, and that is why Rocana is for that court, and now you are citing him. The leader of the people who are propping up the pedophile acharyas court, and you are quoting him?
You said Madhu Pandit program is making money, its not, the leaders here have to make up the difference in not enough donations. You said our program is bogus, but you have nothing to replace it with, which is what Rocana says, you are talking like him, quoting him and so on and so forth. So you can work with him, and have nothing. We are also having a nice festival for Srila Prabhupada here at the Sunnyvale temple, and all the ritvik temples like Bangalore, whereas Rocana is having, nothing nowhere.
And he is our authority? He is simply envious that we have something and he has nothing, and that is why he is promoting the pedophile acharyas in court claim against us. And that is why he says worship of Prabhupada is poison, he is envious of Prabhupada as well as us. He should not be cited as an authority, and the fact that you are citing him will discredit you along with him. Anyway, this is what our people are doing, while your people, oh I forgot, you have no people.http://www.iskcontimes.com/Disappearance-day-of-Srila-Prabhupada
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11/17/12 Update: I never said the Akshaya program was ordered? I said it has protected them from your program, having those devotees going to jail and having no offerings to Prabhupada going on today worldwide. So thank goodness for Akshaya Patra, or you folks would shut everything down and have nothing. You idea is to have nothing, plain and simple, and that is why you are with Rocana. All glories to nothingness pada. Whatever the Bangalore folks had to do to protect themselves from the GBC gurus and their cheer leaders like Rocana had to be done. And Akshaya Patra is the first ever good publicity Krishna and ISKCON ever got in the West in 40 years, another reason you people do not like it, it FINALLY gives Krishna a good name after Rocana's supporting the bogus gurus gave KRISHNA a bad name for the past 40 years. Yes, Krishna and ISKCON finally got some good publicity from Akahaya Patra, so you guys immediately want to shut it down, that means you want the bad publicity for Krishna to win. That is what I thought you were saying, you are against Krishna getting good publicity like the GBC, Rocana etc. You are with them. ys pd
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11/17/12 Update: I never said the Akshaya program was ordered? I said it has protected them from your program, having those devotees going to jail and having no offerings to Prabhupada going on today worldwide. So thank goodness for Akshaya Patra, or you folks would shut everything down and have nothing. You idea is to have nothing, plain and simple, and that is why you are with Rocana. All glories to nothingness pada. Whatever the Bangalore folks had to do to protect themselves from the GBC gurus and their cheer leaders like Rocana had to be done. And Akshaya Patra is the first ever good publicity Krishna and ISKCON ever got in the West in 40 years, another reason you people do not like it, it FINALLY gives Krishna a good name after Rocana's supporting the bogus gurus gave KRISHNA a bad name for the past 40 years. Yes, Krishna and ISKCON finally got some good publicity from Akahaya Patra, so you guys immediately want to shut it down, that means you want the bad publicity for Krishna to win. That is what I thought you were saying, you are against Krishna getting good publicity like the GBC, Rocana etc. You are with them. ys pd
Rocana attacks HDG's worship as "poisonous"
Ritviks and ISKCON: The Line is Beginning to Blur
BY: SUN STAFF (Rocana dasa)
Nov 12, 2012 — CANADA (SUN) — Over the years, the Ritvik-vada adherents have always made an effort to boldly differentiate themselves from the GBC-run ISKCON. Pointing to the many ways in which ISKCON is compromising Srila Prabhupada's standards, they have tirelessly preached the notion that bogus guru-tattva philosophy is at the bottom of all the problems, and if ISKCON would just get on board with their Ritvik-vada, everything would come right.
[PADA: No one ever said "everything will be all right"? When Srila Prabhupada was being worshiped in the 1970s -- that means everything was all right? No! Rocana is dreaming in colors? Sorry! It is a well known fact -- that EVEN when Srila Prabhupada was here AND he was being worshiped, there were STILL major problems manifesting all the time. Hence: we never said his worship would end all "the troubles"? What we are doing is converting individuals to worship HDG, but we are not telling them "all the troubles will end" thereby? This is Rocana's foolish speculation.
What we ALWAYS said was -- even when Srila Prabhupada was here -- there were problems. HOWEVER, unless people worship a pure devotee they will not go back to Godhead. That is all we ever said. Re-establishing HDG's worship is simply a start to get things on track, we never said -- this will "make everything all right." What we are discussing is: establishing the right siddhanta, that we have to worship a pure devotee as our guru namely HDG, ... not whether or not devotees have "troubles"? For that matter, the Pandavas, Prahlad maharaja, Mother Sita and of course people like Lord Jesus had all kinds of "troubles" despite being nice devotees, are we better than they are, that we can expect no troubles at all?]
RD: But in fact, as the poisonous influence coming from ISKCON Bangalore spreads, forming little pockets of asiddhantic Ritvikism around the world, we can now see that just the opposite is true: the problems in ISKCON are not being solved by the Ritviks, but rather are being replicated.
[PADA: OK, so now Rocana says that the worship of Srila Prabhupada is "poisonous apa-siddhantic." That is what the GBC gurus say, -- as does the Gaudiya Matha etc. Worship of pure devotees is poison? Yes, Narayana Maharaja ALSO said the ritviks are poison. Rocana is just a disciple of the Gaudiya Matha. That means Rocana wants us to worship -- Rocana? He thinks he is the higher authority since he claims -- the process of worship of the pure devotee is bogus. Rocana wants us to worship his idea and not HDG's idea. Clearly Rocana is just as envious of Srila Prabhupada as are the bogus GBC's gurus, many of them ALSO say that worship of the pure devotee is poison. NOTICE: Rocana repeats some of the GBC guru's and NM's slogans, hence -- they are birds of a feather.]
RD: Climbing onto the Ritvik platform was apparently seen by Madhu Pandit das and the Bangalore leaders as a move of political expediency, and it did serve to temporarily get them out from under the fist of ISKCON leaders.
[PADA: Worship of the pure devotee is good for "political expediency"? Rocana is making Srila Prabhupada's worship into a mundane political issue. Of course, that is also what Tamal said, the Prabhupadanuga worship idea is "politics." Rocana is a disciple of Tamal. Also notice that Rocana admits his living guru idea is "living under an iron fist"? Why is Rocana promoting the main theme of the iron fisted folks against our devotees, the living guru idea? That means, Rocana is part of the iron fisted process himself.]
RD: (Except, of course, for the very costly lawsuit they've been saddled with.) But there are other drivers behind the Bangalore Ritvik phenomenon besides just guru-tattva, and two of these are Hindu Culture and Money. These two popular catalysts have been well known in the devotee community for many years.
[PADA: OK, so the ritviks are at times organizing the Hindus to help their program of worship of the pure devotee, this might be every bad -- except Rocana has no program at all? We have nothing to compare the ritvik program vs Rocana's program because -- Rocana has no temples, no devotees, no programs, no nothing. At least the ritviks have something to show for their preaching? Rocana's idea is clear, he wants to have no programs, no temples, no preaching, no books going out, nothingness? This is sunnyavada (atheist), "nothingness" is the highest ideal. The ritviks have some program at least, whereas Rocana has never had any, and that is why most of the people posting articles on his site are concocted made up names, he has no followers so he has to make their names up.]
RD: Nowhere is the proliferation of Hinduism in ISKCON more regularly criticized than here in the Sun.
[PADA: Rocana's living guru idea is itself coming from Hinduism?]
RD: Fortunately, many devotees are moved to write about the manifestation of this blight on Srila Prabhupada's movement, and thousands of readers appreciate hearing what these writers have to say. And what they say is something we all know very well… money is the honey, and in ISKCON, the Indian community is where the honey comes from.
[PADA: True, except right now -- the Western devotees are mostly gone, and thus there is hardly anyone collecting money from selling books. Thus, most current temples are running on Hindu donations. Agreed. Yet Rocana does not say, where is the money to maintain the temples going to come from instead? Rocana has no better plan? Rocana de facto says, stop making money altogether and shut down all the temples. OK, then the deities will have no temples, no garlands, no food offerings, no money to support the preaching etc., Nothingness is better than something? Sour grapes! Rocana just wants everything to stop. What kind of plan is this, just stop the whole program that is going on now and have no income at all? Shut the whole thing down and have nothing like Rocana does, what kind of plan is that? Rocana wants no temples, no deities, no books, no devotees being made, nothing at all, that is his better plan?]
RD: So despite all the efforts the Bangalore Ritviks make to put themselves above the rest of ISKCON, by watching the programs that go on in their local centers, one can see that the very same problems are there.
[PADA: Corporate ISKCON worship the molester messiahs program, no, we do not have that problem at all?]
RD: Take for example the recent invitation featured on the Ritvik website, Prabhupadanugas.eu, for an upcoming program at the Sri Krishna Balaram Mandir in Sunnyvale, California. This was the first Bangalore-supported Ritvik temple to be launched in the U.S. In photos of the temple's early days, e.g., at the inauguration festivities, we saw local Ritvik granddaddy, Yasodanandana dasa, standing benignly behind a beaming crowd of Indian-bodied devotees. What we didn't see, however, were pictures of Yasodanandana actually preaching from the asana. Given that Yasodanandana is California's governor of Ritvik-vada, we were surprised not to see him promoted as one of the key preachers.
If one keeps an eye on the periodically advertised activities going on at the Sunnyvale temple, they will see a slate of activities very reminiscent of Hari Vilasa's ISKCON Seattle temple: one Hindu festival after another, after another, punctuated by non-Gaudiya Vaisnava Indian cultural events, Mayavadi and New Age preaching, and all manner of offensive goings-on in front of the Deities.
We have long taken great exception to ISKCON Seattle's style of advertising promo pieces, which devotees in their congregation regularly send to us. The devotees are appalled by the grossness of disregard temple management shows for Srila Prabhupada's standards. Over and over, we have seen flyers for temple events that combine a festival Srila Prabhupada established, along with whatever Hindu event was falling close to that date on the calendar. Repeatedly we have seen Seattle posters that give prominence to the Hindu festival, putting the Vaisnava event at the bottom of the page, where a tiny picture of Lord Caitanya and Srila Prabhupada is found, dwarfed by some other Hindu figure or symbol.
[PADA: Rocana has no documents advertising anything to send out to anyone, he has nothing at all going on. Zero.]
RD: Today we read the promo piece from the Sunnyvale Ritvik temple event -- not billed as Deepotsava or the Festival of Lord Damodar, but rather as Deevali. And tacked onto the agenda after the offering of lamps and arati to Damodar is "Rama Taraka Yajna". But when did Srila Prabhupada include the chanting of Rama mantras during a festival in honor Lord Damodar?
[PADA: OK again, Rocana's program has no temples, no deities, no programs at all, no chanting to either Lord Damodara or Lord Rama or anyone else, no nothing. Why is nothing better than some non-standard "chanting to Lord Rama"? At least these people are chanting to Lord Rama, whereas in Rocana's program -- no one is chanting anything to anyone? At least chanting to Lord Rama is better than no chanting whatsoever?]
RD: Last month's workshop offering at Sunnyvale was also similar to typical ISKCON temple fare these days. A seminar called "Art of Mind Control" made reference to Arjuna and the Upanishads, but promised to deliver a solution that doesn't come from Bhagavad-gita or Srila Prabhupada's instructions. Instead, they are selling "never-before-heard-of strategies and never-before-used applications". But what was wrong with the techniques and strategies Sri Krsna provided to Arjuna for controlling the mind and senses, which are ageless and perfect?
[PADA: Well for the record, the Sunnyvale temple tells people to chant Hare Krishna as a means of mind control. Not sure what is the harm of that? Rocana has no program to help anyone, he is not helping one single person do anything of value whatsoever. At least we have some program where we tell people to control the mind by chanting HARE KRISHNA, we have something going on at least, Rocana has nothing at all going on.]
Sunnyvale's 'Art of Mind Control' Workshop: "The Upanishads say that for one who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends; but for one who has failed to do so, his mind will remain the greatest enemy. Arjuna characterized the mind to be restless, turbulent, obstinate and very strong, and thought subduing it would be more difficult than controlling the wind.
Be trained in making this powerful phenomenon as a friend to achieve inconceivable feats. Take charge of this subtle weapon at one's disposal waiting to be unleashed. Discover never-before-heard-of strategies and never-before-used applications."
[PADA: Right, the never heard before process is to chant Hare Krishna. Apparently, Rocana has never heard of this either. ys pd]
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