"In Radharani is found the science of ujjala, or the brightest jewel of love of God."
(Krishna Book, Chapter 47)
Radharani is presented, the original pleasure potency, always absorbed in thought of Krishna. So anyone who comes before Radharani to serve Krishna, oh, She becomes so pleased, 'Oh, here is a devotee of Krishna.' She immediately recommends, 'Krishna, oh, here is a devotee. He is better than Me.' This is Radharani. I may be a, not devotee. I may be most fallen rascal.
But if I try to reach Krishna through Radharani, then my business is successful. Therefore we should worship Radharani first. That is our business. Instead of offering directly one flower to Krishna, you just put it in the hands of Radharani: 'My mother Radharani, Jagan-mata, if you kindly take this flower and offer it to Krishna.' 'Oh,' Radharani says, 'Oh, you have brought a flower?' Krishna said, patram puspam phalam toyam yo me bhaktya prayaccati (Bg. 9.26), but don't try to offer Krishna directly. Just offer through Radharani. It will be very much appreciated by Radharani
It is very simple. Hare means, 'O energy of the Lord,' and Krishna means, 'O Lord Krishna.' Just as there are males and females in the material world, similarly, God is the original male (purusa), and His energy (prakriti) is the original female. So, when we chant Hare Krishna, we are saying, 'O Lord Krishna, O energy of Krishna, kindly engage me in Your service.'
(Science of Self-Realization, Chapter 1)
Spiritual happiness is anandambudhi-vardhanam, or the ocean of happiness which increases. The material ocean is stagnant, but the spiritual ocean is dynamic. In the Caitanya-caritamrta, (Adi-lila, Fourth Chapter) Kaviraja Gosvami has very nicely described this dynamic increment of the ocean of spiritual happiness in the transcendental person of Srimati Radharani, the pleasure potency of Lord Krishna.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.6.36, Purport)
Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.6.36, Purport)
Jai Sri Radhe
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PADA: Yes, prabhu, as soon as we announced that we had saved hundreds of children, having them pulled out of the GBC's schools -- where children were reporting being starved, beaten and molested, various GBC folks and their allies like Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur's people said that means PADA "has no credibility." Self evidently, saving and protecting the GBC's pedophile guru program is the credible program for them, not saving children.
Agreed, no normal human being, even "karmi" persons, think saving children from abuse and maybe committing suicide -- is wrong and not credible. Worse, that means de facto -- defending a pedophile guru program is the right / correct / credible program.
Then some GBC folks / HKC Jaipur folks started to say that the defenders of the pedophile cult -- such as Radhanath and Bhavananda supporters -- are credible. Worshiping homosexuals and pedophiles as messiahs, and in samadhis, is -- credible to -- whom? I am a credible supporter of the anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club?
Yep I agree, these GBC clones need to come up to the standards of the karmi meat eaters. Even the meat eater society knows -- saving children is not only credible -- it is our duty as a human beings to save children from abuse.
Anyone who is NOT saving children from abuse has no credibility, even in the karmi meat eater society, but many GBC folks and their clones are not able to elevate themselves to that platform. Actually, karmi society arrests people who allow child abuse without reporting and containing it. It is criminal even in the mundane society, so these folks have a long way to go just to become good mlecchas.
And therefore yeah, saying that saving children is a bogus idea is aiding and abetting the criminal child abuse regime. It means they are aiding, abetting accessories to these crimes against children. Yep. That is why we had to go to the meat eater society's police, media, courts etc. to save children from the regime and / or the defenders of the homosexual and pedophile guru program, which mass victimizes children.
And yeah, what they have done is make the whole Krishna religion appear as not credible to the mundane society. These defenders of the child molester guru cult are destroying the image of the religion to the general public, which has zero tolerance for child abuse.
Even the karmi motorcycle gang people know that saving children is imperative for human beings. And these compromised GBC clone people are not yet up to the standard of the hamburger society. Anyway, the good news is, many thousands of other people are helping PADA address this issue, and entire forums have been set up to address this issue, and we are getting more people on board all the time. Yep, as it turns out, saving children is not only credible, it is the ONLY credible option. Anything less than that is aiding criminals.
In sum, the credibility of the pedophile messiah's program is dwindling, and so are its cheer leaders. PADA's credibility is growing. And that cannot be stopped by anyone at this stage, because it is what Krishna wants for His children. Of course, I believe that anyone who thinks saving children has no credibility -- will have to take many, many more births here, they have so far learned -- nothing.
Or worse, they have learned from the Satanic child sacrifice cult leaders. But the ball has always been in their court. All they need to do is write me a message saying, yeah, saving children is a requisite characteristic of being a basic human being, even a mleccha human being. And thus we were wrong to discredit saving children and promoting the cheer leaders of the molester messiah's campus. And if they don't, then silence means acceptance.
Even a dog will act to protect its puppies, that is the God given credible response.
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Health Update of
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Given the seriousness of the situation, Guru Maharaja needs exclusive time for recovery and treatment. The medical team is treating this as though he is admitted in an ICU setting, ensuring close monitoring and intensive care.
We humbly request all devotees to offer their heartfelt prayers for Guru
Health Update of
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19th Feb, 2025 11:00 AM IST
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Please accept our humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
All glories to Guru Maharaja.
Guru Maharaja’s health condition has become quite critical. His blood pressure is currently low and requires continuous infusions to stabilize. Additionally, a severe infection is now affecting multiple systems in his body.
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PADA: Yeah this poor guy is very attached to his present body, so he is very reluctant to leave it -- even though he is in an abominable condition. And that is because he knows, as the ring leader of the homosexual and pedophile messiah's club, he is going to be in a very horrible condition in his next life. So he wants to avoid going there.
Unfortunately for him, time and tide wait for no man. And thus his time of going into the next life to suffer for all his offenses, taking karma without authority, and forcing children to worship his pedophile messiah's cult, and all the rest of it, will all come home to roost. I feel bad for these guys because formerly they were sort of friendly with me, but then they declared war on us, and thereby, declared war on themselves.
That is why Srila Prabhupada says -- a butcher should neither live nor die. Living is a horrific situation of suffering -- and dying means more suffering, so don't live and don't die.
ys pd
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AD: Cyril Wohrer is always going on about devotee atire, dress. What is vastly more important is that many devotees die from pesticides eating non organic foods. Shanka prabhu who used to be the head cook at Raman Reti died of cancer caused by pesticides which are poisons an should NOT be offered to Krsna. No one ever died from wearing a dhoti, tilak, and kirta. Many workers in India wear dhoti in their own way, it is cheaper than pants.
I wanted to be the sum total of the demigods.
But ended up as the sum total of the pollywogs.
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PANTS OR DHOTIS?
PADA: Yeah, Cyril Wohrer is very worried if the people who are worshiping the GBC's molester messiah's club leaders, or the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara system, are wearing proper attire. Children are being forced to worship the GBC's bogus messiahs which includes: homosexuals, pedophiles, lusty dogs, intoxicated fools and so on -- and then a lot of those kids are being mistreated badly, and some of them are taking their lives due to all the PTSD, and he is worried if the people running that regime are dressed properly.
The child abuse gestapo regime should be dressed nicely, and that will make everything wonderful! No, dressing these people nicely is not helping anything, it is a smokescreen to cover the real problems. Is the program that has been banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing Vaishnavas, dressing nicely? Yeah really cannot make this up.
ys pd
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TATASTHA VADA APA SAMPRADAYA P.t. II
4) There are those who neither accept any diksa guru, including Srila Prabhupada, nor become official diksa gurus in their groups themselves, but quit maya-ISKCON or stay on its verges and just keep emphasizing that one should follow the previous acaryas (Srila Prabhupada is supposedly just one of them). So unlike those who emphasize Prabhupada's bogus successors these people stress previous acaryas, disregarding Srila Prabhupada's current spiritual master position. They read many different books, including from very dubious sources (like Narayana Maharaja's translations of previous acaryas' books). Sometimes this takes the form of focusing on public lecturing from confidential raga-bhakti books, about the Lord's lilas with Gopis, etc. They don't follow Srila Prabhupada's instructions in this regard. Some of them maintain attachment to Srila Prabhupada but join sahajiya babajis in India to artificially "get" their spiritual rasa (relationship) with Krishna, etc.
5) Some tatastha-vadis preach that one just need to wait for a living self-manifested genuine spiritual master. So they wait for years, decades, and in the meantime they keep rejecting Srila Prabhupada and saying, "No, we need a living bona fide guru. There are always living gurus, maybe not in maya-ISKCON, or they are not in any institution, but they are here or soon will be here". But even today, they can't say who are those living gurus new devotees should supposedly take to. Is nobody better than Srila Prabhupada?
From recent email exchanges:
Puranjana das: Notice that Bhakta dasa / Rupanuga / et al. never name who or whom their alleged living guru persons are. OK they don't exist. They promote worship of a non-existing phantasm. And that is why a newbie from E Europe recently agreed with me, these people claim there is some other living guru out there somewhere, but there is none, because they never name this alleged person. Ok this alleged guru does not exist, he has no books, no devotees, no temples, because he does not exist, just nothing-ness.
4. A closer look into varieties of apa siddhanta tatastha-vada
All these different individuals and groups erroneously believe Srila Prabhupada should not be accepted as the current diksa guru and his orders on ritvik initiations.
1) Many people do not get enough resolution and desire to figure out what really happened to ISKCON and Gaudiya Math, but seeing the chaos that has reigned, they simply decide to stay away from any gurus, distinct positions, conclusions and associations, and somehow try to practice bhakti-yoga, in kind of abeyance condition and do not accept Srila Prabhupada as one's current spiritual master (although they may consider themselves to be his followers to some extent). This is reminiscent of the phenomenon of asampradayika-sampradaya that was condemned by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati.
In 1898-1899, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur published in his magazine Sajjana-toshani a long article about Yamunacharya, written by his holy son and main follower Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati. The article was published in parts in seven issues of the magazine- Sajjana-toshani, the 10th year of publication (1898-1899), 5.4-12, 7.18-20, 8.24, 9.5-12, 10.31-32, 11.32, 12.10-11. In the beginning of his article, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati writes about very important truths regarding the need to take shelter of a genuine sampradaya:
"Different people have different inclinations. Due to various aspirations, different living beings cannot naturally achieve unity. That is why, in order to eliminate contradictions (virodha-parihara) and to achieve the desired perfection, it's necessary to associate with those who have similar aspirations and desires (sva-jati-ashaya), as well as are favorably disposed towards us. Depending on the differences of tastes (ruci), there will definitely be the need to create a sampradaya. Some people, as soon as they hear the name of a sampradaya, seem to immediately fall under the influence of enemy and begin to show different sides of their ignorance.
They do not hesitate to glorify themselves as "non-sectarians" who do not belong to any sampradaya. But in the end, they find themselves enclosed in the narrow framework of a dictionary that is outside the tradition (asampradayika), and limited by the brackets of their own reasoning. The mantra does not bear fruit outside of sampradaya. There is no doubt that if people who do not belong to any school consider this important statement properly, their short-sighted vision will gain the ability to look into the distance. Such a sampradaya of free people who do not belong to a sampradaya (asampradayika-sampradaya) arises from time to time in the world of dharma, but it becomes a cause of numerous disturbances and uprisings and simply because of this one sin it gets contaminated."
Two more important quotes from the Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati's article:
"People whose purpose of life (purushartha) is to deceive the innocent and indulge their inner perverted inclinations (ku-vrtti), assert the equality (samya) of the low with the sublime, the unholy with the holy, the foolish with the wise, and so they strive to mix up these two groups of people."
"Those who looked at selfish motives with the eyes of contempt, having reached the other side of the ocean of reasoning (vichar samudra), put a lot of effort into creating a sampradaya. In order to affirm the necessity of belonging to a genuine sampradaya, the Lord manifested four sampradayas in Kali-yuga." (End of excerpt from the article)
Srila Prabhupada often quoted the same verse from the Padma Purana that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta mentioned above:
"In the Padma Purāṇa it is said, sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ: if one does not follow the four recognized disciplic successions, his mantra or initiation is useless. In the present day there are many apasampradāyas, or sampradāyas which are not bona fide, which have no link to authorities like Lord Brahmā, Lord Śiva, the Kumāras or Lakṣmī. People are misguided by such sampradāyas. The śāstras say that being initiated in such a sampradāya is a useless waste of time, for it will never enable one to understand the real religious principles." (SBhag. 6.3.20-21 purport)
Prabhupāda: According to Vedic injunction, sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ [Padma Purāṇa]: "If the mantra does not come through disciplic succession, then it will not be active." (Room Conversation
With John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and George Harrison — September 11, 1969, London At Tittenhurst)
"In this regard, Madhvācārya points out:
vidyāḥ karmāṇi ca sadā
guroḥ prāptāḥ phala-pradāḥ
anyathā naiva phaladāḥ
prasannoktāḥ phala-pradāḥ
One must receive all kinds of mantras from a bona fide spiritual master; otherwise the mantras will not be fruitful. [...] All mantras should be received through the authorized guru, and the disciple must satisfy the guru in all respects, after surrendering at his lotus feet. In the Padma Purāṇa it is also said, sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ. There are four sampradāyas, or disciplic successions, namely the Brahma-sampradāya, the Rudra-sampradāya, the Śrī sampradāya and the Kumāra-sampradāya. If one wants to advance in spiritual power, one must receive his mantras from one of these bona fide sampradāyas; otherwise he will never successfully advance in spiritual life." (SBhag. 6.8.42 purport)
Prabhupāda: And if you do not accept the sampradāya..., sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ. If you do not take your initiation mantra from the sampradāya, then it is useless. Now there are so many apasampradāya. They do not come in disciplic succession, but becomes guru, teacher. Therefore everything is topsy-turvied. (Bhagavad-gita 13.8–12 class — September 30, 1973, Bombay)
Prabhupāda: Well, first of all, thing is if the spiritual master is not bona fide, how his mantra can be bona fide?
[...]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: His idea is that if one receives a mantra from a spiritual master, if the spiritual master is not bona fide...
Prabhupāda: Then there is no question of mantra. There is no question of worshiping Deity. These are all bogus things. (SBhag. 6.1.41-42 class — Surat, December 23, 1970)
Prabhupāda: Ādau gurvāśrayam. If you do not get a qualified guru, then everything is bogus. (SBhag. 5.5.10-13 class — Vṛndāvana, November 1, 1976)
So no gurus at all- asampradayika-sampradaya.
2) Another tendency is one leaves maya-ISKCON and becomes a (so called) follower of both Srila Prabhupada and some "acarya" of the deviated Gaudiya Mathas (Sridhara, Narayana, BP Puri, now their successors, etc). Some become self-made "gurus" (or take permission from a Matha leader) within their own group / organization, others become their disciples. They ignore Srila Prabhupada's order not to associate with his deviated Godbrothers and it's unclear whose successors such "gurus" are.
All these different individuals and groups erroneously believe Srila Prabhupada should not be accepted as the current diksa guru and his orders on ritvik initiations.
1) Many people do not get enough resolution and desire to figure out what really happened to ISKCON and Gaudiya Math, but seeing the chaos that has reigned, they simply decide to stay away from any gurus, distinct positions, conclusions and associations, and somehow try to practice bhakti-yoga, in kind of abeyance condition and do not accept Srila Prabhupada as one's current spiritual master (although they may consider themselves to be his followers to some extent). This is reminiscent of the phenomenon of asampradayika-sampradaya that was condemned by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati.
In 1898-1899, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur published in his magazine Sajjana-toshani a long article about Yamunacharya, written by his holy son and main follower Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati. The article was published in parts in seven issues of the magazine- Sajjana-toshani, the 10th year of publication (1898-1899), 5.4-12, 7.18-20, 8.24, 9.5-12, 10.31-32, 11.32, 12.10-11. In the beginning of his article, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati writes about very important truths regarding the need to take shelter of a genuine sampradaya:
"Different people have different inclinations. Due to various aspirations, different living beings cannot naturally achieve unity. That is why, in order to eliminate contradictions (virodha-parihara) and to achieve the desired perfection, it's necessary to associate with those who have similar aspirations and desires (sva-jati-ashaya), as well as are favorably disposed towards us. Depending on the differences of tastes (ruci), there will definitely be the need to create a sampradaya. Some people, as soon as they hear the name of a sampradaya, seem to immediately fall under the influence of enemy and begin to show different sides of their ignorance.
They do not hesitate to glorify themselves as "non-sectarians" who do not belong to any sampradaya. But in the end, they find themselves enclosed in the narrow framework of a dictionary that is outside the tradition (asampradayika), and limited by the brackets of their own reasoning. The mantra does not bear fruit outside of sampradaya. There is no doubt that if people who do not belong to any school consider this important statement properly, their short-sighted vision will gain the ability to look into the distance. Such a sampradaya of free people who do not belong to a sampradaya (asampradayika-sampradaya) arises from time to time in the world of dharma, but it becomes a cause of numerous disturbances and uprisings and simply because of this one sin it gets contaminated."
Two more important quotes from the Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati's article:
"People whose purpose of life (purushartha) is to deceive the innocent and indulge their inner perverted inclinations (ku-vrtti), assert the equality (samya) of the low with the sublime, the unholy with the holy, the foolish with the wise, and so they strive to mix up these two groups of people."
"Those who looked at selfish motives with the eyes of contempt, having reached the other side of the ocean of reasoning (vichar samudra), put a lot of effort into creating a sampradaya. In order to affirm the necessity of belonging to a genuine sampradaya, the Lord manifested four sampradayas in Kali-yuga." (End of excerpt from the article)
Srila Prabhupada often quoted the same verse from the Padma Purana that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta mentioned above:
"In the Padma Purāṇa it is said, sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ: if one does not follow the four recognized disciplic successions, his mantra or initiation is useless. In the present day there are many apasampradāyas, or sampradāyas which are not bona fide, which have no link to authorities like Lord Brahmā, Lord Śiva, the Kumāras or Lakṣmī. People are misguided by such sampradāyas. The śāstras say that being initiated in such a sampradāya is a useless waste of time, for it will never enable one to understand the real religious principles." (SBhag. 6.3.20-21 purport)
Prabhupāda: According to Vedic injunction, sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ [Padma Purāṇa]: "If the mantra does not come through disciplic succession, then it will not be active." (Room Conversation
With John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and George Harrison — September 11, 1969, London At Tittenhurst)
"In this regard, Madhvācārya points out:
vidyāḥ karmāṇi ca sadā
guroḥ prāptāḥ phala-pradāḥ
anyathā naiva phaladāḥ
prasannoktāḥ phala-pradāḥ
One must receive all kinds of mantras from a bona fide spiritual master; otherwise the mantras will not be fruitful. [...] All mantras should be received through the authorized guru, and the disciple must satisfy the guru in all respects, after surrendering at his lotus feet. In the Padma Purāṇa it is also said, sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ. There are four sampradāyas, or disciplic successions, namely the Brahma-sampradāya, the Rudra-sampradāya, the Śrī sampradāya and the Kumāra-sampradāya. If one wants to advance in spiritual power, one must receive his mantras from one of these bona fide sampradāyas; otherwise he will never successfully advance in spiritual life." (SBhag. 6.8.42 purport)
Prabhupāda: And if you do not accept the sampradāya..., sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ. If you do not take your initiation mantra from the sampradāya, then it is useless. Now there are so many apasampradāya. They do not come in disciplic succession, but becomes guru, teacher. Therefore everything is topsy-turvied. (Bhagavad-gita 13.8–12 class — September 30, 1973, Bombay)
Prabhupāda: Well, first of all, thing is if the spiritual master is not bona fide, how his mantra can be bona fide?
[...]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: His idea is that if one receives a mantra from a spiritual master, if the spiritual master is not bona fide...
Prabhupāda: Then there is no question of mantra. There is no question of worshiping Deity. These are all bogus things. (SBhag. 6.1.41-42 class — Surat, December 23, 1970)
Prabhupāda: Ādau gurvāśrayam. If you do not get a qualified guru, then everything is bogus. (SBhag. 5.5.10-13 class — Vṛndāvana, November 1, 1976)
So no gurus at all- asampradayika-sampradaya.
2) Another tendency is one leaves maya-ISKCON and becomes a (so called) follower of both Srila Prabhupada and some "acarya" of the deviated Gaudiya Mathas (Sridhara, Narayana, BP Puri, now their successors, etc). Some become self-made "gurus" (or take permission from a Matha leader) within their own group / organization, others become their disciples. They ignore Srila Prabhupada's order not to associate with his deviated Godbrothers and it's unclear whose successors such "gurus" are.
PADA: Most of the followers of Gaura Govinda maharaja ran off to Narayan Maharaja after he departed. He told people to find a living guru, so he sent them off to the competition of ISKCON. Gaura Govinda said that we have manager acharyas and pure acharyas, which means he thought the homosexual and pedophile messiah's club was doing proper managing.
3) One need to leave maya-ISKCON and become an independent guru within one's own group or organization without any connection to any Gaudiya Matha leader or Indian babaji. Such "gurus" can claim they have already "got initiated" in maya-ISKCON, usually by a "guru" that was subsequently exposed as fallen, and they think there is no need for them to choose some other diksa guru, including Srila Prabhupada, since they have already been linked up to the sampradaya by their "guru" and "got diksa" (although their initiation by a bogus guru couldn't be bona fide, as per above quotes).
They convince themselves it's time to become a diksa guru (sometimes they cite some far-off reasons for doing this), often without anyone's authorization. They don't accept Srila Prabhupada's ritvik system and don't direct new people to become Srila Prabhupada's disciples. Some of such "gurus" don't even perform any official initiation ceremony, or do this but claim they are not the diksa guru, it's not Srila Prabhupada either, but new people are somehow initiated.
It's a very strange system. Some of such gurus believe they should write new purports to the same sastras Srila Prabhupada has already translated and commented upon (Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Upadesamrta, etc.). Disciples of such independent "gurus" are those who believe that it's best to officially or unofficially accept some Srila Prabhupada disciple (or another senior devotee) outside maya-ISKCON as their guru, or, for example, some "successor" to late Gour Govinda Swami, who is not within maya-ISKCON guru system (like Murali Krishna Swami was banned from maya-ISKCON in 2015).
4) There are those who neither accept any diksa guru, including Srila Prabhupada, nor become official diksa gurus in their groups themselves, but quit maya-ISKCON or stay on its verges and just keep emphasizing that one should follow the previous acaryas (Srila Prabhupada is supposedly just one of them). So unlike those who emphasize Prabhupada's bogus successors these people stress previous acaryas, disregarding Srila Prabhupada's current spiritual master position. They read many different books, including from very dubious sources (like Narayana Maharaja's translations of previous acaryas' books). Sometimes this takes the form of focusing on public lecturing from confidential raga-bhakti books, about the Lord's lilas with Gopis, etc. They don't follow Srila Prabhupada's instructions in this regard. Some of them maintain attachment to Srila Prabhupada but join sahajiya babajis in India to artificially "get" their spiritual rasa (relationship) with Krishna, etc.
5) Some tatastha-vadis preach that one just need to wait for a living self-manifested genuine spiritual master. So they wait for years, decades, and in the meantime they keep rejecting Srila Prabhupada and saying, "No, we need a living bona fide guru. There are always living gurus, maybe not in maya-ISKCON, or they are not in any institution, but they are here or soon will be here". But even today, they can't say who are those living gurus new devotees should supposedly take to. Is nobody better than Srila Prabhupada?
From recent email exchanges:
Puranjana das: Notice that Bhakta dasa / Rupanuga / et al. never name who or whom their alleged living guru persons are. OK they don't exist. They promote worship of a non-existing phantasm. And that is why a newbie from E Europe recently agreed with me, these people claim there is some other living guru out there somewhere, but there is none, because they never name this alleged person. Ok this alleged guru does not exist, he has no books, no devotees, no temples, because he does not exist, just nothing-ness.
They would rather [prefer] we worship nothing and no one rather than Prabhupada. And they criticize the Christians, because at least they have a guru and can name their guru. Bhakta das does not even have any plan for people to offer their bhogha to anyone, and so they are eating un-offered sin. We should offer food to the no name person, and that never reaches Krishna. Sorry, we have to have people worship a named and identified pure devotee, and offer their service to that pure person and not the no named phantom. (January 4, 2025)
6) There are those within maya-ISKCON, on its verges and beyond, who preach that the current guru system in maya-ISKCON should be "corrected": the GBC approval of new gurus should be canceled altogether and instead of a hundred GBC-approved diksa gurus, maya-ISKCON needs thousands and tens of thousands of local diksa gurus who take this position as they feel "ready" for this and as potential disciples develop faith in them. In reality, this would, off course, be even closer to the mistake of the Gaudiya Matha's multiple self-proclaimed "acaryas" that Srila Prabhupada asked not to repeat. Also, this scenario would actually result in more contradictions, concealment of deviations and scandalous "guru" falldowns.
We shouldn't be misled in such important matters by bogus gurus of any kind due to lack of consideration:
Prabhupāda: And the Vedas also advises that "Go to a better man," śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham [MU 1.2.12], "one who heard better and wise from the Vedic knowledge, and brahma, as a result of it he has become fully devoted to Kṛṣṇa," brahma-niṣṭham. These are the qualifications of spiritual master. His knowledge is perfect according to the Vedic injunction, and by having that knowledge he has become a perfect devotee of the Lord. These two things are to be seen. Then he is a spiritual master.
Martin: But there are many spiritual masters in the world. Each says...
Prabhupāda: Each says, but you have to judge. Just like when you go to purchase two shillings' worth goods, you go to different stores. Everyone says, "Oh, my thing is very nice.'' But you have to judge which one is best. That depends on you. If you are a fool, then somebody will cheat you. And if you are not a fool, then you will know... (Room Conversation — May 4, 1972, Mexico)
So, some of the tatastha-vada adherents become self-made diksa gurus, some do not, some belong to the original disciples of Srila Prabhupada, some do not, some were "initiated" by a guru of maya-ISKCON, some were not. But we must be careful to understand that not all those who advocate some reforms in modern maya-ISKCON are strict followers of Srila Prabhupada and offer correct solution to the present crisis situation.
6) There are those within maya-ISKCON, on its verges and beyond, who preach that the current guru system in maya-ISKCON should be "corrected": the GBC approval of new gurus should be canceled altogether and instead of a hundred GBC-approved diksa gurus, maya-ISKCON needs thousands and tens of thousands of local diksa gurus who take this position as they feel "ready" for this and as potential disciples develop faith in them. In reality, this would, off course, be even closer to the mistake of the Gaudiya Matha's multiple self-proclaimed "acaryas" that Srila Prabhupada asked not to repeat. Also, this scenario would actually result in more contradictions, concealment of deviations and scandalous "guru" falldowns.
We shouldn't be misled in such important matters by bogus gurus of any kind due to lack of consideration:
Prabhupāda: And the Vedas also advises that "Go to a better man," śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham [MU 1.2.12], "one who heard better and wise from the Vedic knowledge, and brahma, as a result of it he has become fully devoted to Kṛṣṇa," brahma-niṣṭham. These are the qualifications of spiritual master. His knowledge is perfect according to the Vedic injunction, and by having that knowledge he has become a perfect devotee of the Lord. These two things are to be seen. Then he is a spiritual master.
Martin: But there are many spiritual masters in the world. Each says...
Prabhupāda: Each says, but you have to judge. Just like when you go to purchase two shillings' worth goods, you go to different stores. Everyone says, "Oh, my thing is very nice.'' But you have to judge which one is best. That depends on you. If you are a fool, then somebody will cheat you. And if you are not a fool, then you will know... (Room Conversation — May 4, 1972, Mexico)
So, some of the tatastha-vada adherents become self-made diksa gurus, some do not, some belong to the original disciples of Srila Prabhupada, some do not, some were "initiated" by a guru of maya-ISKCON, some were not. But we must be careful to understand that not all those who advocate some reforms in modern maya-ISKCON are strict followers of Srila Prabhupada and offer correct solution to the present crisis situation.
Anyone who exposes deviations in maya-ISKCON or simply left maya-ISKCON, but does not accept Srila Prabhupada as his/her direct spiritual master and preaches/acts against this, he/she misleads other people with advices not based on careful study of Srila Prabhupada's instructions (regarding guru-tattva and initiations, etc.). Unfortunately, such a person doesn't realize that he/she actually belongs to an apa-sampradaya. The sincerest devotees of this category should enhance their understanding of the situation and become Prabhupadanugas (and then do not step back). Off course, Srila Prabhupada's disciples should also strive not to deviate in any issue and to conform to the position of pure sampradaya not only by words.
In conclusion: All varieties of marginal, alternative, reform views that reject accepting Srila Prabhupada as one's direct current spiritual master can be called tatastha-vada apa-sampradaya. It has evolved in quite a wide spread phenomenon since a lot of people have come to understand that maya-ISKCON has deviated.
In conclusion: All varieties of marginal, alternative, reform views that reject accepting Srila Prabhupada as one's direct current spiritual master can be called tatastha-vada apa-sampradaya. It has evolved in quite a wide spread phenomenon since a lot of people have come to understand that maya-ISKCON has deviated.
But their different ideas in regards to solutions are not based on thorough learning and understanding of Srila Prabhupada's orders, and so they uphold incorrect and incomplete views. They have no serious foundation, instead its adherents tend to ignore some key root history events and instructions: the coup in Gaudiya Matha in 1936-37, the coup in ISKCON in 1977-78, unlawful discarding and discrediting of Srila Prabhupada's ritvik initiation system, some other directives and standards of the acarya, as well as his instructions regarding guru-tattva.
So it has wrong foundation, and it surely leads one to a dead end: no real guru, no real initiation/mantra/sadhana-bhakti, mixed-in offences, no clear solution for the present crisis in maya-ISKCON and deviated gaudiya-mathas. Just replace unauthorized, non-liberated, scandal-plagued maya-ISKCON bogus "gurus" with some other less exposed bogus "gurus" or become independent self-proclaimed "guru" or advocate some partial "reform" or insist on accepting some unidentified (non-existing) living guru rather than Srila Prabhupada.
All those who consider themselves followers of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati and Srila Prabhupada should become disciples of the current acarya (who is Srila Prabhupada) and strictly follow his instructions by accepting them as one's life and soul. Srila Prabhupada wanted serious, sincere approach, unity and cooperation among his followers on the basis on accepting him and his orders, not unlimited factions with all kinds of false theories. Let Srila Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya mercifully guard us from various wrong ideas.
"I offer my obeisances to Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu, by whose mercy even an ignorant child can swim across the ocean of conclusions about the ultimate truth, which is full of the crocodiles of various theories." (Cc. Adi 2.1)
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"I offer my obeisances to Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu, by whose mercy even an ignorant child can swim across the ocean of conclusions about the ultimate truth, which is full of the crocodiles of various theories." (Cc. Adi 2.1)
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M Dasi: All too familiar. Anyone asking about children ??? no credibility. Must be a liar offender. Anyone defending the molesters ??? ... top notch credibility. Truth teller!
ReplyDeleteThen after they tilt the scales ... against children ... they made out like they "did not know how all this molesting went on." Maybe it still is. Some would say ... probably still is.
What has no credibility ??? its ISKCON ... its bogus gurus ... its defense enforcers ... and how they ... do not protect children. They always say ... anyone who complains has no credibility. And that is how they protect the molester fan club.
I think? They have no credibility with Yamaraja. And a lot of the victims think they are ALL gas lighting gangsters ... some of the vics are my personal friends. You have no credibility, you are a woman, you are an offender, three strikes ... and you are out.
And then children have to suffer horribly. And they still don't get it?