PD: OK Palaka dasa, you are not quoting the May 28th 1977 tape, where SDG asked how initiations would be conducted IN THE FUTURE when he was NO LONGER HERE. And Srila Prabhupada said he would appoint officiating acharyas, ok ritviks. OK, applies to the future -- when he is no longer here physically. The July 9th letter confirmed that statement, he was only appointing ritviks, and the letter says this applies "henceforward," there is no indication this would stop upon his physical departure? Where was that ever stated? Rupanuga concocted all that, of course he was "one with" the bogus 11 self-appointed messiahs.
As for our idea that HIS books are his literary incarnation, not concocted all all. Srila Prabhupada said he would live forever in his books. He said that right here in Berkeley, and he said MANY similar things all the time. He said reading his books IS MY DIRECT ASSOCIATION WITH ME, and would CONTINUE FOREVER to give people divyam jnanam (which destroys sins) ok that is called diksha. We know that his books are giving people diksha now because, we are making many new devotees who are connecting to him just by reading his books. Rupanuga has no explanation for our making new people like this.
The GBC 11 said that Srila Prabhupada's books are no longer giving divyam jnanam which destroys sins, aka diksha, and Rupanuga is simply number 12, and you are 13 in that camp. You are one with the 11. Problem for you folks is, we have made several thousand new Prabhupadanugas who are all reading the books and advancing. You folks could not make a flea advance, because you have no diksha process, you have no faith in these books potency.
And we are making more devotees all the time. And we are printing more of these books, and making more devotees of Srila Prabhupada and so on, all the time. In sum, we are making real live examples of how people are becoming devotees of Srila Prabhupada now, whereas you guys could not make one devotee of Srila Prabhupada in 35 years because, since you are 12 and 13 in the bogus guru program's "no more diksha", you preach what they preach, there is no source of diksha.
RUPANUGA DASA: ... Yes, he does. On October 18, 1977, several months after the July 9th letter in question, and just a matter of weeks before his disappearance, Srila Prabhupada indicates what his intentions were for introducing ritvik initiations.
[PD: Right, the July 9th letter was sent to all temples as his "final instruction" because he was expecting to depart, so he wanted ritvik initiations for his society for after his departure. Worse, Rupanuga supported the idea that the 11 are giving diksha, that means for starters, he has no idea what diksha is. Rudderless. Clueless.]
RD: To reiterate, the word "henceforward" per se can be interpreted, but intended meaning can be best explained by the author himself, Srila Prabhupada. No one can deny this point.
[PADA: Right, on May 28th he said ritviks would conduct initiations when he was not here, and the July 9th letter confirms that.]
RD: The October 18th 1977 conversation takes place in Vrindaban. A Bengali gentleman has come from New York seeking initiation from Srila Prabhupada. But Srila Prabhupada has already deputed his ritvik acaryas and he thinks Jayapataka should do the initiation. The following is a transcription, in sequence, of the relevant part of the ensuing discussion:
Bhagavan: It (Jayapataka’s name) is already on there, Srila Prabhupada. His name was on that list.
Srila Prabhupada: So. I depute him to do this at Mayapur and you may go with him. I stop for the time being. Is that alright?
Tamal Krsna: Stopped doing what, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: This initiation. I have deputed my disciples. Is it clear or not?
Tamal Krsna: It is clear.
Srila Prabhupada: And if by Krsna’s grace I recover from this condition, then I shall begin again, or I may not be pressed in this condition to initiate. It is not good.
[PADA: Confirms the May tape and July 9th letter, he is deputing people as his deputies, aka ritviks. A deputy is not an acharya, this was the mistake of Rupanuga and his support of the 11 as diksha acharyas.]
RD: The key sentences here are not the ones containing the word "depute," but rather the following: "I stop for the time being," "And if by Krsna’s grace I recover from this condition, then I shall begin again."
[PD: Right, he is physically unable to funtion, so he is allowing the deputies to start performing ceremonies while he is disabled. But he never says, the initiates will be the disciples of the deputies?]
RD: "I stop for the time being" indicates that the ritvik appointments made three months earlier were necessary due to Srila Prabhupada’s condition, but he considered them temporary - to last until his own initiations could begin again.
[PD: This is foolish, none of the deputies were ever told the new initiates would be their disciples. The initiates would still be his disciples.]
RD: Therefore, there is no evidence that Srila Prabhupada intended to introduce the July 9th Letter as a permanent procedure for continuing his disciplic succession. That parampara procedure had already been explained in his books.
[PD: The parampara Rupanuga has been supporting has been full of illicit sex, drugs and crimes. This was well known as early as 1979 when Jayatirtha had a fall down into illicit sex and drugs. Then Hansadutta was arrested with a machine gun; Ramesvara resigned; Tamal was being booted out for saying he is the guru shakti; Kirtanananda's MINOR AGED drug mules were being arrested; ISKCON lost the Syracuse NY FEDERAL court case; Lagnua Beach temple (PDI) was busted for heroin dealing, AND SO ON, all this by 1980, and yet -- Rupanuga still blindly went on supporting that guru lineage even knowing it was defective and criminal. That means Rupanuga never read the books, there is no illicit sex, drugs and crimes in the parampara, this is all RD's concoction. He went on blindly supporting this illicit sex, drugs and crimes guru parampara, because he has no idea what a guru parampara is. Even our brand newest neophyte students can defeat Mr. Rupanuga, they know illicit sex, drugs and crimes are not part of the parampara. Rupanuga still supports the bogus gurus by saying that their idea, there is no current diksha, is correct.]
RD: After all is said and done, this conversation, taking place only a few weeks before his untimely disappearance, leaves one with a heavy heart when contemplating just how much Srila Prabhupada wanted to go on preaching and translating. Jaya Srila Prabhupada! Srila Prabhupada ki jaya . . .
[PD: An now Rupanuga says these books are dead and impotent and cannot give pure divyam jnanam which destroys sins, he is such a sad faithless person its almost unbelievable to me that he could fall to such an atheist's view point. I pray for him. ys pd]
As for our idea that HIS books are his literary incarnation, not concocted all all. Srila Prabhupada said he would live forever in his books. He said that right here in Berkeley, and he said MANY similar things all the time. He said reading his books IS MY DIRECT ASSOCIATION WITH ME, and would CONTINUE FOREVER to give people divyam jnanam (which destroys sins) ok that is called diksha. We know that his books are giving people diksha now because, we are making many new devotees who are connecting to him just by reading his books. Rupanuga has no explanation for our making new people like this.
The GBC 11 said that Srila Prabhupada's books are no longer giving divyam jnanam which destroys sins, aka diksha, and Rupanuga is simply number 12, and you are 13 in that camp. You are one with the 11. Problem for you folks is, we have made several thousand new Prabhupadanugas who are all reading the books and advancing. You folks could not make a flea advance, because you have no diksha process, you have no faith in these books potency.
And we are making more devotees all the time. And we are printing more of these books, and making more devotees of Srila Prabhupada and so on, all the time. In sum, we are making real live examples of how people are becoming devotees of Srila Prabhupada now, whereas you guys could not make one devotee of Srila Prabhupada in 35 years because, since you are 12 and 13 in the bogus guru program's "no more diksha", you preach what they preach, there is no source of diksha.
RUPANUGA DASA: ... Yes, he does. On October 18, 1977, several months after the July 9th letter in question, and just a matter of weeks before his disappearance, Srila Prabhupada indicates what his intentions were for introducing ritvik initiations.
[PD: Right, the July 9th letter was sent to all temples as his "final instruction" because he was expecting to depart, so he wanted ritvik initiations for his society for after his departure. Worse, Rupanuga supported the idea that the 11 are giving diksha, that means for starters, he has no idea what diksha is. Rudderless. Clueless.]
RD: To reiterate, the word "henceforward" per se can be interpreted, but intended meaning can be best explained by the author himself, Srila Prabhupada. No one can deny this point.
[PADA: Right, on May 28th he said ritviks would conduct initiations when he was not here, and the July 9th letter confirms that.]
RD: The October 18th 1977 conversation takes place in Vrindaban. A Bengali gentleman has come from New York seeking initiation from Srila Prabhupada. But Srila Prabhupada has already deputed his ritvik acaryas and he thinks Jayapataka should do the initiation. The following is a transcription, in sequence, of the relevant part of the ensuing discussion:
Bhagavan: It (Jayapataka’s name) is already on there, Srila Prabhupada. His name was on that list.
Srila Prabhupada: So. I depute him to do this at Mayapur and you may go with him. I stop for the time being. Is that alright?
Tamal Krsna: Stopped doing what, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: This initiation. I have deputed my disciples. Is it clear or not?
Tamal Krsna: It is clear.
Srila Prabhupada: And if by Krsna’s grace I recover from this condition, then I shall begin again, or I may not be pressed in this condition to initiate. It is not good.
[PADA: Confirms the May tape and July 9th letter, he is deputing people as his deputies, aka ritviks. A deputy is not an acharya, this was the mistake of Rupanuga and his support of the 11 as diksha acharyas.]
RD: The key sentences here are not the ones containing the word "depute," but rather the following: "I stop for the time being," "And if by Krsna’s grace I recover from this condition, then I shall begin again."
[PD: Right, he is physically unable to funtion, so he is allowing the deputies to start performing ceremonies while he is disabled. But he never says, the initiates will be the disciples of the deputies?]
RD: "I stop for the time being" indicates that the ritvik appointments made three months earlier were necessary due to Srila Prabhupada’s condition, but he considered them temporary - to last until his own initiations could begin again.
[PD: This is foolish, none of the deputies were ever told the new initiates would be their disciples. The initiates would still be his disciples.]
RD: Therefore, there is no evidence that Srila Prabhupada intended to introduce the July 9th Letter as a permanent procedure for continuing his disciplic succession. That parampara procedure had already been explained in his books.
[PD: The parampara Rupanuga has been supporting has been full of illicit sex, drugs and crimes. This was well known as early as 1979 when Jayatirtha had a fall down into illicit sex and drugs. Then Hansadutta was arrested with a machine gun; Ramesvara resigned; Tamal was being booted out for saying he is the guru shakti; Kirtanananda's MINOR AGED drug mules were being arrested; ISKCON lost the Syracuse NY FEDERAL court case; Lagnua Beach temple (PDI) was busted for heroin dealing, AND SO ON, all this by 1980, and yet -- Rupanuga still blindly went on supporting that guru lineage even knowing it was defective and criminal. That means Rupanuga never read the books, there is no illicit sex, drugs and crimes in the parampara, this is all RD's concoction. He went on blindly supporting this illicit sex, drugs and crimes guru parampara, because he has no idea what a guru parampara is. Even our brand newest neophyte students can defeat Mr. Rupanuga, they know illicit sex, drugs and crimes are not part of the parampara. Rupanuga still supports the bogus gurus by saying that their idea, there is no current diksha, is correct.]
RD: After all is said and done, this conversation, taking place only a few weeks before his untimely disappearance, leaves one with a heavy heart when contemplating just how much Srila Prabhupada wanted to go on preaching and translating. Jaya Srila Prabhupada! Srila Prabhupada ki jaya . . .
[PD: An now Rupanuga says these books are dead and impotent and cannot give pure divyam jnanam which destroys sins, he is such a sad faithless person its almost unbelievable to me that he could fall to such an atheist's view point. I pray for him. ys pd]
Anyone believes this is about what is genuine guru-tattva? Wrong! This is about who owns and controls ISKCON's properties. It is about who owns all those buildings. As soon there would be no properties there would be no debate.
ReplyDeleteRupanuga Dasa has always been a bit of a dull brain who is too attached to adjust very quickly to changing circumstances. (He was my GBC rep. in NYC in 1971-72.)
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