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Friday, August 16, 2019
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[PADA: Not sure whose program this is, but they list their parampara as the 32 from the Gita. If anyone knows more about these folks send me a message @ angel108b@yahoo.com. ys pd]
[PADA: Not sure whose program this is, but they list their parampara as the 32 from the Gita. If anyone knows more about these folks send me a message @ angel108b@yahoo.com. ys pd]
The Conspiracy to Replace Srila Prabhupada's Position (PADA)
PADA: The idea that Srila Prabhupada's worship / position as acharya needs to be displaced if not "replaced" with -- some other -- acharya (or acharyas) has had (A) many direct false guru operators within the ISKCON GBC, and (B) their hand maiden assistants and cheer leaders. Some of the cheer leaders and helpers of this deviation have been my own God brothers, like Mukunda swami, Danavir, Vipramukhya, Jnana das (Nemi Maharaja) and others are often disciples of the false acharyas.
And these false gurus -- joined by their dedicated followers and / or hand maidens -- have been helping this "replacement" idea by forming a sort of combined army of their "diverting the guru focus" process. Who would have guessed that after Srila Prabhupada departed some of his "dedicated" so-called followers would say -- gurus sometimes have illicit sex with men, women and children?
OK! This is not connected to anything Krishna and His parampara stands for. Where does Krishna say, "My guru successors are often debauchees"? This is a total misrepresentation of WHO Krishna is and WHO His successors are. Then again, the whole reason we are in the material world is -- that we are envious of Krishna. Thus we wanted to divert from, if not attack, belittle and insult Krishna. And what better way to insult and attack Krishna than to say His successors are criminals, deviants and sexual predators?
Its a conspiracy to degrade and attack Krishna by attacking and degrading His guru succession. Sulochan said it would be better to have a dog as the successor to Krishna, since a dog does not ban, beat, molest, sue and kill the Vaishnavas. So he lamented, the GBC is not advanced enough to worship a dog.
Then we wonder why Srila Prabhupada says, its an offense to consider guru as an ordinary man, because then -- that makes Krishna an ordinary man since His successors are "saksat hari" -- same as Him. So this change of siddhanta "gurus are conditioned souls who fall down" is merely one more layer in the multi-layered attack on Krishna's program. Overall however, its been a sort of multi-layered conspiracy.
There are thus layers upon layers of conspiracy involved here, including a poison complaint from Srila Prabhupada about some of the inner core conspirators. "The poison root of the poison tree," as some folks are now identifying this cabal as. Apparently so ...
Then we have people like Nanda Kumar. He says he was "right there" when the GBC leaders were laughing obnoxiously -- at the same time of Srila Prabhupada's departure in 1977. He says he knew something terrible was amiss, and so, he just walked away and did nothing. Adridharan das, same basic thing. He told me he was "alarmed" at the poison complaint, but then he said and did nothing. In other words, part of a conspiracy is to hide and suppress evidence and testimony, and just wander off into the sunset as your guru's house is being burnt down. Many people participated in this layer.
And so there were ALSO other people alarmed in 1977. And they also "said and did nothing" of substance. And then Hansadutta told me how the ISKCON leaders gathered together in December 1977 to hammer out their bogus "guru appointment" claim. Another layer upon the other layers of the conspiracy. And there are generally the elements of (A) The conspiracy of commission (active plotters to usurp the guru post) and (B) The conspiracy of omission (silence) component, allowing and acquiescing with the plotters, as we see in spades in this situation.
This is perhaps what Sulochana sometimes used to say is "the army of GBC gurus and their Zombies," i.e. the guru conspirators and the mindless clones of these deviant gurus. Similarly, in the 1936 Gaudiya Matha certain leaders conspired to make conditioned souls into their gurus, and they also created various (violent and fanatical) guru cults which Srila Prabhupada says "usurped the assets and properties."
And the 1936 guru take over conspiracy leaders and their hand maidens conspired together to make all these bogus guru programs evolve and take over the mission. And then they made a "showing the deity business" not unlike the Hindu hodge podge / yoga classes / Bhagavat sapta etc. the current ISKCON leaders are creating. You don't have to look far to find many complaints about the current "yoga classes" and other compromised programs going on now. OK a conspiracy to hijack the property and make "a guru business." Ditto what happened in 1936.
A lot of the "innocent" simply went along with the plotters because they told me, they cannot afford to lose their room, position, maybe a salary, or their wife who is a now disciple of a GBC guru and so on and so on. So they went along to get along, or in other words they assisted and enabled the conspiracy. Same type things happen in tyrannical government programs, a lot of people just go along -- because they do not want to lose their situation within the regime. Of course at some point these pacifist / docile / compromised enablers are no longer quite so innocent, they are gradually more and more complicit by enabling and empowering the deviations.
The post-1978 ISKCON "guru regime" has the same post-1936 Gaudiya Matha components. First! A bogus guru claim. Then, creating a big "ISKCON media" propaganda machine, a legal structure, and resultant bullies, goondas and assassins to act as "enforcers" for their false guru sabha. This seems to be the same type pattern even up to today in the modern day post-1936 Gaudiya Matha's false guru system.
Even recently -- some of the "Paramadvaiti swami" people said to us that they could not expose his fallen behaviors because they are AFRAID of his fanatical followers. So the conspiracy to make false gurus often ends up creating vicious, and no small amount of dangerous regimes, which are very hard to contain once the Pandora's box has been opened. Sri Isopanisad confirms these false gurus are "the most dangerous elements in human society." Nuff said!
There is thus a pattern of (A) the creation of false gurus, and this generally leads to (B) the creation of a bogus guru society of legal tricks, exploiting the society, false propaganda, changing the siddhanta, and of course resultant fanatical goondas who act as odious "enforcers" for the false gurus.
As we have seen, this can then become a violent personality cult process. And this can lead to a pattern of banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders of dissenters -- as happened in certain cases -- in both the Gaudiya Matha and ISKCON. Did I forget to mention that the process of banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and murders makes for bad PUBLIC MEDIA exposes, as Srila Prabhupada told us it did with bad media in the 1940s in India. These leaders apparently don't really care that much about the welfare of the religion, or the citizens of the religion, or the bad media coverage, they seem to be there for a smash and grab short term personal profit mainly.
Then again, the process of making false gurus has gone on and on for millions of years, and so have the deviant and dangerous side effects. Ravana had falsely dressed himself as a sannyasa. Kamsa had many compromised "brahmanas" working for him. Hiranyakasipu had many scholarly "teachers" preaching on his behalf, and so forth. Stories of bogus people dressing as saints are found in the Vedas, the Bible, in Medieval Rome and so on -- ad infinitum.
And in recent centuries in India there has been a flood of false gurus, sahajiyas, babajis, bogus avatars of Krishna, up to and including a number of false gurus spawned by the post 1936 Gaudiya Matha. There are a few misguided people saying that the recent out cropping of the ISKCON false guru program is some sort of "Zionist conspiracy," except that most of the false gurus have been from India for many of years of history, and the main backers of the current ISKCON false gurus have been people like Gopal Krishna swami, Bhakti Caru swami, Gaura Govinda Maharaja, Sridhara Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja and others, all from India.
And throughout history we may find that a number of cruel kings, dictators, tyrants, deviants posing as government leaders etc. who are exploiting their citizens by getting "spiritual backing" from corrupt gurus, yogis, swamis, priests, Popes, clergy and the religious leaders in their areas of influence.
In ISKCON the first rattle out of the box was that various "leading devotees" were consulting with Srila Prabhupada's deviant God brothers in the early 1970s, and Srila Prabhupada said this was a sinister movement within his movement. Some of the details of these events are described here:
After 1978 the GBC went wandering over to the Gaudiya Matha's BR Sridhara Maharaja and declared he is the "shiksha guru" of ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada had repeatedly warned us that this same BR Sridhara was the ring leader of the 1936 false guru program of the Gaudiya Matha. BR Sridhara Maharaja had co-created a bi-sexual guru deviation where their guru became very fallen and dissenters were banned, beaten and some were killed. And under no circumstance should ISKCON duplicate that process, what to speak of consult BR Sridhara Maharaj on how to concoct this deviation.
And then BR Sridhara Maharaja became the "darling of the ISKCON GBC" and he propped up Jayatirtha, Hansadutta, Tamal, and Ramesvara -- even when the other GBC wanted to get rid of these guys for various deviations. He wanted to keep the illusion that these 11 conditioned souls are gurus, even when it was self evident they are not gurus. And various documents and "position papers" written after 1978 by the GBC were actually word for word statements from Sridhara Maharaja -- extracted from conversations he had had with the GBC's type folks. He was sort of their ghost writer for many of their early on documents.
For example the 1980 Satsvarupa / Jagadish / Jayadvaita paper "The Mahajanas have Difficulties" was based on various statements that Sridhara Maharaja had made -- that even great souls become illusioned, thus its common for the types of deviations the GBC 11 gurus are producing to be seen in acharyas. And this idea has become the foundational pillar of the GBC's ideology -- i.e. Sridhara's statements for example: "acharyas go mad after money, women and followers." And if some of Krishna's acharyas are mad fools, then what would be the point of worshiping any of them, since their group collectively is contaminated?
And then people like Gaura Govinda Maharaja began to ghost write yet another layer of "position papers" for the GBC. He wrote a paper for example saying that their gurus are sometimes demons, never explaining why he is promoting their guru parampara that contains said demons? He said "Kali yuga has entered the highest places of the GBC guru sabha," but then he gets himself voted into that sabha as one of their co-acharyas? I am the "good as God guru," because, the disciples of Kali yuga "2/3 show of hands" voted me into that post. Why would anyone even want to accept the "votes of the disciples of Kali yuga" for one's guru certification?
As for the whole ISKCON "guru voting" system, this was included in the 1986 GBC "guru reform." And NARAYAN MAHARAJA was helping Satsvarupa write "The Guru Reform Notebook" starting in 1984, where their idea was, the GBC would VOTE IN a huge mass of more acharyas. And so in 1986, the GBC reinstated their "oral sex with taxi drivers in the holy dham" guru Bhavananda, and they simultaneously voted in Trivrikrama, Ravindra Swarupa, Prithu and many others -- as ISKCON's gurus. However the original idea of having a guru voting program for the GBC came from SRIDHARA MAHARAJA.
And that is how all these others were eventually "voted in":
"Gaura Govinda Swami is empowered to begin giving Diksa initiations, pending the approval of a 3-man committee appointed by the GBC Body."
(GBC Resolution, February 28th, 1985)
Hee hee, yes they actually said they were "empowering" people to be gurus, as if they had a magic wand that they could pass over a conditioned soul and make him a resident of Vaikuntha. I hereby empower this shoe repairman to be a brain surgeon. Not always working very well is it?
Of course, the list of co-conspirators with their replacing of Srila Prabhupada as the acharya process is practically endless. Another one of them is BHAKTA DASA (William G. Benedict). He and / or his pals like Swarupa Hebel, Sruta srava das, Sudhir Krishna, Pancadravida, Jagat guru swami and many others were big supporters of the GBC's biggest cheer leaders like Sridhara Maharaja. Bhakta das was ALSO telling us we need to go to the Gaudiya Matha, and he also said we need to get our "living" guidance from Gaura Govinda Maharaja and so on.
And GGM's "living advice" (as he told me personally) is: "We need to cooperate, tolerate and work with the GBC gurus" i.e. those who are placing molester messiahs (posing as Vishnupada no less) onto Srila Prabhupada's guru seat, directly comparing their molester messiahs as "in same quality" (shaksat
hari tvena) as God Almighty. Even my neighbor's cat does not "cooperate
with" GGM's molester messiahs, why should we stoop to their level?
Did I forget to mention that the Sridhara Maharaja program produced sexual predator acharyas in 1936, and produced more of same after 1977? And one of these alleged Gaudiya Matha messiahs is Paramadvaiti swami, whose recent apparent photo shows him with a five year old naked little girl on his lap. Or what is the other explanation of all this?
This is the program we need to promote?
So this is another part of the overall conspiracy, against ISKCON, against the parampara, against Krishna, and even against common human moral standards. Then again photos of Paramadvaiti hugging various women have been floating around for many years, its not rocket science that there is a problem here. And photos of Indradyumna swami hugging women and girls is well known, and so on.
Then we have folks like Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur and his thug Prahlad. And their team of associates like Sanat / Mukunda/ Janardan / Krishna Kirtan etc. which actually make a video of BHAKTA DAS and they told me and everyone else we need to listen to Bhakta das. We need to listen to the cheer leaders of the bogus Gaudiya Matha and / or GBC guru program -- that makes dirty old men into gurus, even those who have perhaps naked little girls on their laps? That is their idea of a credible shiksha guru authority? Did we also forget to mention Bhakta das was arrested for selling millions of dollars of designer drugs, and was later arrested for some type of sex crime in Puri India?
And never mind the Gaudiya Matha, Bhakta das also cheer leads various GBC "gurus" -- i.e. the program whose gurus are having illicit sex with men, women and children. And then HKC Jaipur clone head Bhakta Peter writes to tell me, there is nothing really wrong with the HKC Jaipur promoting Bhakta das and this agenda? There is nothing really wrong with programs where we may find dirty old men posing as gurus having naked young girls on their laps? Then these people are surprised I have to get help from the "karmis" to counter their process? And what is "wrong" for these people, if there is nothing wrong with this agenda?
Did I forget to mention the HKC Jaipur folks also sent me excerpts from HARI SAURI's writings, the same writings Sulochana said are painting us as sahajiyas to GET US KILLED. These Gaudiya Matha / GBC / HKC Jaipur ilk folks think helping get Vaishnavas killed is a great process? Or is it just that they lick the boots of Hari Sauri because he has been BHAVANANDA's hand maiden all along, and we need not detail all the child abuse that went on with that regime, because it would be too much material to place herein? Why are they citing the boot lickers of the sex with taxi driver's guru parampara? OK they are part of the conspiracy to replace Srila Prabhupada with bogus guru people, if not dirty old men gurus, its really that simple.
OK Hari Sauri is another key player in the conspiracy to replace Srila Prabhupada. He has been a big thug defender of the Bhavananda program, and he still hangs out in Mayapura with this lot. I really don't have space to provide testimony herein from ex-gurukuli students from the Mayapura regime, but their stories are horrific to say the least. Why do we need to cite these people, unless we are of the same ilk?
And Bhakta das has promoted others from this GBC guru regime (of guru conspiracy take over plotters) like Trivrikram swami, Radhanath swami etc. So again, this is all part of the conspiracy against Srila Prabhupada and the parampara, to dump a load of manure into the parampara and make pretend this is "what Krishna wanted."
Then we have others who seem to have a lot of sympathy for Tamal, Kirtanananda and so on -- like Narayan Maharaja.
NM and the "Guru Reform"
Narayan Maharaja said I was offending him and his GBC guru pals like Tamal. In fact we were attacking the entire GBC and Narayan Maharaja process of promoting the worship of homosexuals, sexual predators, pedophiles if not criminals as "Krishna's successor gurus."
NM later invited me to discuss all this and he left me sitting for ten hours outside his room, then he sneaked out the back door and left the property. He never really wanted to know the real story, and neither did his followers. I simply cannot find any examples in shastra of people who were promoting an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara -- the way NM was doing by being Tamal's hand maiden of the GBC's guru process.
Did I forget to mention NM was ghost writing some of the GBC's bogus documents like for example Satsvarupa's "Guru Reform Notebook."
Narayan Higgins: I would also avoid you after reading much of your thoughts hahaha. Jaya Narayana Maharaja, a pure devotee who never deviated once in his entire life...
PADA: Enabling, encouraging, promoting and cheer leading the "acharyas" of a child molesting guru program, is not a deviation? Aiding, abetting, and acting as the "shiksha guru" and "rasika guru" of a program which is banning, beating, molesting, suing and murdering vaishnavas is also not a deviation? Then what is a deviation according to Narayan Maharaja? Oh, he says we are the deviants because we are objecting to the program he enables and supports, which is starving, beating and molesting children.
Narayan Maharaja has been a huge supporter of Tamal and the entire child molesting GBC guru regime thereby. He was holding "rasika classes" with these folks -- like Indradyumna, Satsvarupa, Sivarama, Tamal and many others of GBC ilk. Bhagavan das became his biggest NM promoter here in the Bay Area.
When NM found out I was complaining about all these things, he said I was "ritvik poison." In other words, calling us people "poison offenders" is how they get us dissenters killed.
Tamal was the founder father of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara, and NM was basically his hand maiden "shiksha guru" assistant. The good news is the Dallas courts had the Tamal / NM guru regime sued for $400M for mass molesting. And many people, including the Gainesville FBI, have agreed with me that Tamal was part of the poison conspiracy against Srila Prabhupada.
Of course even the "karmi" people know we cannot invite someone over and then leave our guest sitting without seeing the guest, because they know basic human etiquette better than NM.
Narayan Maharaja knew I was saying Srila Prabhupada had complained of being poisoned, and he said I was bogus to do that. When NM invited me to his ashram to come and discuss that issue and other issues, he left me sitting, and that means, he did not want to hear the Srila Prabhupada conversation tapes I had brought with me to prove the poison issue. He had no interest in hearing the evidence, and then he sneaked off the property.
VB: I don't know abt all that. I can't judge on these matters. What I know I told.
PADA: Well we are eye-witness to the situation. Narayan Maharaja was not interested in the facts. I wrote him several times about all the problems his program was creating by his support of Tamal and the GBC's gurus process, and he wrote back "meet me in person." Then I go there in person, and he refuses to meet me. He is not interested in the facts. Anyway, his Tamal guru program had to be sued for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse, he was not interested in helping me address these things, so the courts had to do that for NM.
CJ: I will say in sort of defense of the Narayan Maharaja followers that it is understandable how they feel great gratitude because for them he saved them from looking very silly by following these mad men. Okay maybe he was crooked in a way but Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada said a devotee can be crooked. So whatever works the show must go on. And out of the whole big mess of Krishna Devotees Krishna Himself says hardly one knows Me in truth.
PADA: Yes, well that is the problem, we knew that the Tamal regime was molesting children and committing other crimes, including a huge mess in the gurukula in Bhavananda's regime in Mayapura. For NM to say that we are "poison" for objecting to all this mess makes Narayan Maharaja an enabler.
A CO-CONSPIRATOR!
And NM's targeting us as "poison" and offenders -- makes life very dangerous for us. Tamal used to lecture "my two favorite people in the whole world are Narayan Maharaja and Bhavananda." NM did not know about things, because he did not want to know, including his inviting me and then shunning. He did not want to hear the truth, plainly.
Anyway, we wanted people to have a little view of the history of all this, and hope this helps some folks who have asked me about all this recently. Notice that its now common for people to write complaints about acharyas, because acharyas are defective beings and they thus need all sorts of reform, help and advices. Even Bhakti Vikas swami is always correcting and chastising his fellow acharyas. The acharyas are mundane people ....
https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/07/hrdayananda-swamis-gbc-reform-paper-pt-1.html?
ys pd
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Paramahamsa; My question is, a pure devotee, when he comments on Bhagavad Gita, someone who never sees him physically, but he just comes in contact with the commentary, explanation, is this the same thing?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. You can associate with Krishna by reading Bhagavad-Gita. And these saintly persons, they have given their explanations, comments. So where is the difficulty?
Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk,
Paris - 11/6/74.
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(GBC Resolution, February 28th, 1985)
Hee hee, yes they actually said they were "empowering" people to be gurus, as if they had a magic wand that they could pass over a conditioned soul and make him a resident of Vaikuntha. I hereby empower this shoe repairman to be a brain surgeon. Not always working very well is it?
Of course, the list of co-conspirators with their replacing of Srila Prabhupada as the acharya process is practically endless. Another one of them is BHAKTA DASA (William G. Benedict). He and / or his pals like Swarupa Hebel, Sruta srava das, Sudhir Krishna, Pancadravida, Jagat guru swami and many others were big supporters of the GBC's biggest cheer leaders like Sridhara Maharaja. Bhakta das was ALSO telling us we need to go to the Gaudiya Matha, and he also said we need to get our "living" guidance from Gaura Govinda Maharaja and so on.
And GGM's "living advice" (as he told me personally) is: "We need to cooperate, tolerate and work with the GBC gurus" i.e. those who are placing molester messiahs (posing as Vishnupada no less) onto Srila Prabhupada's guru seat, directly comparing their molester messiahs as "in same quality" (shaksat
hari tvena) as God Almighty. Even my neighbor's cat does not "cooperate
with" GGM's molester messiahs, why should we stoop to their level?
Did I forget to mention that the Sridhara Maharaja program produced sexual predator acharyas in 1936, and produced more of same after 1977? And one of these alleged Gaudiya Matha messiahs is Paramadvaiti swami, whose recent apparent photo shows him with a five year old naked little girl on his lap. Or what is the other explanation of all this?
This is the program we need to promote?
So this is another part of the overall conspiracy, against ISKCON, against the parampara, against Krishna, and even against common human moral standards. Then again photos of Paramadvaiti hugging various women have been floating around for many years, its not rocket science that there is a problem here. And photos of Indradyumna swami hugging women and girls is well known, and so on.
Then we have folks like Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur and his thug Prahlad. And their team of associates like Sanat / Mukunda/ Janardan / Krishna Kirtan etc. which actually make a video of BHAKTA DAS and they told me and everyone else we need to listen to Bhakta das. We need to listen to the cheer leaders of the bogus Gaudiya Matha and / or GBC guru program -- that makes dirty old men into gurus, even those who have perhaps naked little girls on their laps? That is their idea of a credible shiksha guru authority? Did we also forget to mention Bhakta das was arrested for selling millions of dollars of designer drugs, and was later arrested for some type of sex crime in Puri India?
And never mind the Gaudiya Matha, Bhakta das also cheer leads various GBC "gurus" -- i.e. the program whose gurus are having illicit sex with men, women and children. And then HKC Jaipur clone head Bhakta Peter writes to tell me, there is nothing really wrong with the HKC Jaipur promoting Bhakta das and this agenda? There is nothing really wrong with programs where we may find dirty old men posing as gurus having naked young girls on their laps? Then these people are surprised I have to get help from the "karmis" to counter their process? And what is "wrong" for these people, if there is nothing wrong with this agenda?
Did I forget to mention the HKC Jaipur folks also sent me excerpts from HARI SAURI's writings, the same writings Sulochana said are painting us as sahajiyas to GET US KILLED. These Gaudiya Matha / GBC / HKC Jaipur ilk folks think helping get Vaishnavas killed is a great process? Or is it just that they lick the boots of Hari Sauri because he has been BHAVANANDA's hand maiden all along, and we need not detail all the child abuse that went on with that regime, because it would be too much material to place herein? Why are they citing the boot lickers of the sex with taxi driver's guru parampara? OK they are part of the conspiracy to replace Srila Prabhupada with bogus guru people, if not dirty old men gurus, its really that simple.
OK Hari Sauri is another key player in the conspiracy to replace Srila Prabhupada. He has been a big thug defender of the Bhavananda program, and he still hangs out in Mayapura with this lot. I really don't have space to provide testimony herein from ex-gurukuli students from the Mayapura regime, but their stories are horrific to say the least. Why do we need to cite these people, unless we are of the same ilk?
And Bhakta das has promoted others from this GBC guru regime (of guru conspiracy take over plotters) like Trivrikram swami, Radhanath swami etc. So again, this is all part of the conspiracy against Srila Prabhupada and the parampara, to dump a load of manure into the parampara and make pretend this is "what Krishna wanted."
Then we have others who seem to have a lot of sympathy for Tamal, Kirtanananda and so on -- like Narayan Maharaja.
Narayan Maharaja with Kirtanananda
Paramadvaiti with Kirtanananda
NM and the "Guru Reform"
Narayan Maharaja said I was offending him and his GBC guru pals like Tamal. In fact we were attacking the entire GBC and Narayan Maharaja process of promoting the worship of homosexuals, sexual predators, pedophiles if not criminals as "Krishna's successor gurus."
NM later invited me to discuss all this and he left me sitting for ten hours outside his room, then he sneaked out the back door and left the property. He never really wanted to know the real story, and neither did his followers. I simply cannot find any examples in shastra of people who were promoting an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara -- the way NM was doing by being Tamal's hand maiden of the GBC's guru process.
Did I forget to mention NM was ghost writing some of the GBC's bogus documents like for example Satsvarupa's "Guru Reform Notebook."
Narayan Higgins: I would also avoid you after reading much of your thoughts hahaha. Jaya Narayana Maharaja, a pure devotee who never deviated once in his entire life...
PADA: Enabling, encouraging, promoting and cheer leading the "acharyas" of a child molesting guru program, is not a deviation? Aiding, abetting, and acting as the "shiksha guru" and "rasika guru" of a program which is banning, beating, molesting, suing and murdering vaishnavas is also not a deviation? Then what is a deviation according to Narayan Maharaja? Oh, he says we are the deviants because we are objecting to the program he enables and supports, which is starving, beating and molesting children.
Narayan Maharaja has been a huge supporter of Tamal and the entire child molesting GBC guru regime thereby. He was holding "rasika classes" with these folks -- like Indradyumna, Satsvarupa, Sivarama, Tamal and many others of GBC ilk. Bhagavan das became his biggest NM promoter here in the Bay Area.
Radhanath and NM
When NM found out I was complaining about all these things, he said I was "ritvik poison." In other words, calling us people "poison offenders" is how they get us dissenters killed.
Tamal was the founder father of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara, and NM was basically his hand maiden "shiksha guru" assistant. The good news is the Dallas courts had the Tamal / NM guru regime sued for $400M for mass molesting. And many people, including the Gainesville FBI, have agreed with me that Tamal was part of the poison conspiracy against Srila Prabhupada.
Of course even the "karmi" people know we cannot invite someone over and then leave our guest sitting without seeing the guest, because they know basic human etiquette better than NM.
Narayan Maharaja knew I was saying Srila Prabhupada had complained of being poisoned, and he said I was bogus to do that. When NM invited me to his ashram to come and discuss that issue and other issues, he left me sitting, and that means, he did not want to hear the Srila Prabhupada conversation tapes I had brought with me to prove the poison issue. He had no interest in hearing the evidence, and then he sneaked off the property.
VB: I don't know abt all that. I can't judge on these matters. What I know I told.
PADA: Well we are eye-witness to the situation. Narayan Maharaja was not interested in the facts. I wrote him several times about all the problems his program was creating by his support of Tamal and the GBC's gurus process, and he wrote back "meet me in person." Then I go there in person, and he refuses to meet me. He is not interested in the facts. Anyway, his Tamal guru program had to be sued for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse, he was not interested in helping me address these things, so the courts had to do that for NM.
CJ: I will say in sort of defense of the Narayan Maharaja followers that it is understandable how they feel great gratitude because for them he saved them from looking very silly by following these mad men. Okay maybe he was crooked in a way but Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada said a devotee can be crooked. So whatever works the show must go on. And out of the whole big mess of Krishna Devotees Krishna Himself says hardly one knows Me in truth.
PADA: Yes, well that is the problem, we knew that the Tamal regime was molesting children and committing other crimes, including a huge mess in the gurukula in Bhavananda's regime in Mayapura. For NM to say that we are "poison" for objecting to all this mess makes Narayan Maharaja an enabler.
A CO-CONSPIRATOR!
And NM's targeting us as "poison" and offenders -- makes life very dangerous for us. Tamal used to lecture "my two favorite people in the whole world are Narayan Maharaja and Bhavananda." NM did not know about things, because he did not want to know, including his inviting me and then shunning. He did not want to hear the truth, plainly.
Anyway, we wanted people to have a little view of the history of all this, and hope this helps some folks who have asked me about all this recently. Notice that its now common for people to write complaints about acharyas, because acharyas are defective beings and they thus need all sorts of reform, help and advices. Even Bhakti Vikas swami is always correcting and chastising his fellow acharyas. The acharyas are mundane people ....
https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/07/hrdayananda-swamis-gbc-reform-paper-pt-1.html?
ys pd
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Paramahamsa; My question is, a pure devotee, when he comments on Bhagavad Gita, someone who never sees him physically, but he just comes in contact with the commentary, explanation, is this the same thing?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. You can associate with Krishna by reading Bhagavad-Gita. And these saintly persons, they have given their explanations, comments. So where is the difficulty?
Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk,
Paris - 11/6/74.
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Wednesday, August 14, 2019
Sri Balaram Purnima
Balaram Purnima
“Revatīnandana means son of Revatī. Revatī was one of the wives of Vasudeva, Kṛṣṇa's stepmother. And Balarāma was his son. So Revatīnandana means Balarāma.”
Lecture -- Seattle, October 20, 1968
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Balaram, the elder brother of Vrajendranandan Shri Krishna, is the very first expansion of Krishna and is the embodiment of the Sat or Sandhini shakti, which is the potency of existence of the Lord. He, in the form of Sankarshan, creates all the Tatastha jivas present in this material world. Lord Balaram serves Lord Krishna in all the rasas by expanding himself in the form of his paraphernalia to serve him in Shanta ras; in the form of Lakshman, the younger brother of Lord Ram, he served Lord Ram in Dasya ras, always serving him in all ways possible; in the form of Balaram and Nityananda prabhhu he serves the lord in Sakhya ras and also in Vatsalya ras as he is the elder brother and also has parental affection towards Krishna with a feeling to protect him and take care of him.
Lord Balaram carries a plough, the reason for which is to cultivate the hearts of the devotees so that it becomes fertile and suitable for the seed of Bhakti to grow nicely. Being the Adi guru tattve, he guides the devotees on their spiritual path so that they can go back home back to godhead.
On the Purnima in the month of Shravan the auspicious appearance day of Lord Balaram is celebrated by all the devotees in Krishna Balaram Mandir, Vrindavan. After a beautiful Mangal arati darshan with a new dress, all the devotees attend the morning program followed by Darshan arati, in which lord Balaram, dressed in a gorgeous new outfit, bedecked with jewels and covered in the forest flowers of Vrindavan, appears as cupid himself, piercing the hearts of all the assembled devotees with the arrows of his unmatched handsomeness. His white form dazzling like millions of moons, his sweet red lips playing a mischievous smile, his eyes mercifully glancing over all the assembled vaishnavas, and his curling locks entangling in them the hearts of all the onlookers, Lord Balaram submerges one and all in the ocean of his beauty.
On the Purnima in the month of Shravan the auspicious appearance day of Lord Balaram is celebrated by all the devotees in Krishna Balaram Mandir, Vrindavan. After a beautiful Mangal arati darshan with a new dress, all the devotees attend the morning program followed by Darshan arati, in which lord Balaram, dressed in a gorgeous new outfit, bedecked with jewels and covered in the forest flowers of Vrindavan, appears as cupid himself, piercing the hearts of all the assembled devotees with the arrows of his unmatched handsomeness. His white form dazzling like millions of moons, his sweet red lips playing a mischievous smile, his eyes mercifully glancing over all the assembled vaishnavas, and his curling locks entangling in them the hearts of all the onlookers, Lord Balaram submerges one and all in the ocean of his beauty.
His glories are then discussed amongst all the devotees’ gathered there. After glorifying his wondrous pastimes and qualities, the auspicious Abhishek ceremony of Krishna Balaram is performed, whilst the holy names of the lord are chanted with full enthusiasm. After bathing his beautiful form with milk, yoghurt, honey, ghee, sugar water and clear water, the devotees offer a sumptuous offering to the elder brother of Shyamsundar, to please him and gain his favor. After the Bhoga offering and Rajbhog arati, all the devotees honor ekadashi Prasad after having fasted till then.
This day is also celebrated as Raksha bandhan, when sisters tie an auspicious rakhi to their brothers for protection. Many devotees, keeping the lord in the centre, offer rakhi to Lord Balaram or Shyamsundar, and pray for their protection from the material energy, so that they can one-pointedly be fixed in the service of the lord and attain the ultimate goal of life, which is the eternal service of the lord in the spiritual world.
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Sri Balarama — A Beautiful Brother
“Powerful Sri Balarama is sixteen years old, full of the luster of youth and has a fair complexion the color of crystal. Balarama wears blue garments and a garland of forest flowers. Baladeva’s handsome hair is tied in a graceful topknot. Splendid earrings adorn Balarama’s ears. Sri Baladeva’s neck is splendidly decorated with garlands of flowers and strings of jewels. Splendid bracelets and armlets ornament Douji’s graceful and very strong arms.
Balarama’s feet are decorated with splendid jeweled anklet. Sri Baladeva is Sri Krsna’s dearest friend. Baladeva is a great reservoir of the nectar mellows of many kinds of transcendental pastimes.”
This day is also celebrated as Raksha bandhan, when sisters tie an auspicious rakhi to their brothers for protection. Many devotees, keeping the lord in the centre, offer rakhi to Lord Balaram or Shyamsundar, and pray for their protection from the material energy, so that they can one-pointedly be fixed in the service of the lord and attain the ultimate goal of life, which is the eternal service of the lord in the spiritual world.
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Sri Balarama — A Beautiful Brother
“Powerful Sri Balarama is sixteen years old, full of the luster of youth and has a fair complexion the color of crystal. Balarama wears blue garments and a garland of forest flowers. Baladeva’s handsome hair is tied in a graceful topknot. Splendid earrings adorn Balarama’s ears. Sri Baladeva’s neck is splendidly decorated with garlands of flowers and strings of jewels. Splendid bracelets and armlets ornament Douji’s graceful and very strong arms.
Balarama’s feet are decorated with splendid jeweled anklet. Sri Baladeva is Sri Krsna’s dearest friend. Baladeva is a great reservoir of the nectar mellows of many kinds of transcendental pastimes.”
“Lord Balarama’s beauty is enhanced by the earrings touching His cheeks. Balarama’s face is decorated with tilaka made from musk, and Balarama’s broad chest is ornamented with a garland of gunja (small, red, black and white berries native to Vrndavana). Sri Baladeva’s complexion is as white as an autumn cloud, and He wears blue garments. Balarama’s voice is very grave and His arms are very long, touching His thighs.”
(NOD Ch. 41)
Monday, August 12, 2019
Ramesvara and Radhanath not truthful on Sulochan Murder (Jyotidhama das)
An interesting letter about Ramesvara and Radhanath from Jyotirdhama dasa, former New Vrindaban Director of Telecommunications:
Hare Krishna Hrishikesh prabhu. Good morning. I just want to tell about an exchange I had with Ramesvara on FaceBook yesterday, Saturday, August 11, 2019. Jayamadhava posted a comment criticizing Mahatma for a flyer featuring him (Mahatma).
Hare Krishna Hrishikesh prabhu. Good morning. I just want to tell about an exchange I had with Ramesvara on FaceBook yesterday, Saturday, August 11, 2019. Jayamadhava posted a comment criticizing Mahatma for a flyer featuring him (Mahatma).
Ramesvara (Robert Grant) came on and scolded Jayamadhava for fault finding. I commented that if he (Ramesvara) would stop lying about Sulochana's murder then we wouldn't have to point out behavior such as his. Robert Grant responded with a long comment about how wrong it was for me to connect him to such a horrendous crime when he was never even questioned by law enforcement about it. He also said that I should not believe everything I read in some book. I have to tell you that I've been waiting for one of my "partners in crime" to challenge me about what I know.
I responded that I know he is lying because I was on the New Vrindaban switchboard when Radhanath Swami flew to Los Angeles to get Ramesvara's help in the plot to murder Sulochan dasa. In my comment on Facebook, I told Robert Grant that I was also involved in the murder plot, but I also was never questioned. There was no response from him, and all related comments were quickly deleted. I never heard back from him.
The thing is, for the last few weeks I have been thinking about Radhanath Swami's trip to Los Angeles. I don't remember why I was thinking about it, but I began remembering that when Radhanath Swami went to Los Angeles, Gaura Shakti told me about the trip and wanted me to stay close by the switchboard and watch for incoming calls from Radhanath Swami.
I couldn't tell our hired non-devotee switchboard operator, Bonnie, any of this, and she did not like me breathing down her neck and picking up incoming calls when she was working. I remember that I was hovering in the office near the switchboard when Kuladri called me. He told me that he was expecting an important call from Radhanath Swami and what extensions he (Kuladri) would be near during the day. He stressed that it was very important that he got that call. I relayed the info to Bonnie and that is when she figured out that Radhanath Swami was involved in the plot.
We did handle some calls back and forth between Los Angeles and New Vrindaban that day. Bonnie handled the calls but I was right there watching. I would fill in during her lunch and breaks so I think I handled some calls but Bonnie caught the big one from Radhanath Swami. I've just been remembering the details of that day, so when Robert Grant said he was not involved on FaceBook, I was primed.
Again, your book, "Killing For Krishna," provides a framework for my memories because if I hadn't read about it in your book; I would have forgotten this ever happened.
Yours, Jyotirdhama dasa
I responded that I know he is lying because I was on the New Vrindaban switchboard when Radhanath Swami flew to Los Angeles to get Ramesvara's help in the plot to murder Sulochan dasa. In my comment on Facebook, I told Robert Grant that I was also involved in the murder plot, but I also was never questioned. There was no response from him, and all related comments were quickly deleted. I never heard back from him.
The thing is, for the last few weeks I have been thinking about Radhanath Swami's trip to Los Angeles. I don't remember why I was thinking about it, but I began remembering that when Radhanath Swami went to Los Angeles, Gaura Shakti told me about the trip and wanted me to stay close by the switchboard and watch for incoming calls from Radhanath Swami.
I couldn't tell our hired non-devotee switchboard operator, Bonnie, any of this, and she did not like me breathing down her neck and picking up incoming calls when she was working. I remember that I was hovering in the office near the switchboard when Kuladri called me. He told me that he was expecting an important call from Radhanath Swami and what extensions he (Kuladri) would be near during the day. He stressed that it was very important that he got that call. I relayed the info to Bonnie and that is when she figured out that Radhanath Swami was involved in the plot.
We did handle some calls back and forth between Los Angeles and New Vrindaban that day. Bonnie handled the calls but I was right there watching. I would fill in during her lunch and breaks so I think I handled some calls but Bonnie caught the big one from Radhanath Swami. I've just been remembering the details of that day, so when Robert Grant said he was not involved on FaceBook, I was primed.
Again, your book, "Killing For Krishna," provides a framework for my memories because if I hadn't read about it in your book; I would have forgotten this ever happened.
Yours, Jyotirdhama dasa
Anger is also found in Liberated Persons (SP Quote)
Here we can mark that even great saintly persons like the Kumāras were also angry, but they were not angry for their personal interests. They were angry because they were forbidden to enter the palace to see the Personality of Godhead. Therefore the theory that in the perfectional stage one should not have anger is not supported in this verse. Anger will continue even in the liberated stage. These four mendicant brothers, the Kumāras, were considered liberated persons, but still they were angry because they were restricted in their service to the Lord.
The difference between the anger of an ordinary person and that of a liberated person is that an ordinary person becomes angry because his sense desires are not being fulfilled, whereas a liberated person like the Kumāras becomes angry when restricted in the discharge of duties for serving the Supreme Personality of Godhead."
Srila Prabhupada /sb/3/15/31
[PADA: Yep we get constant advice, "Don't be angry at the evil doers in ISKCON." OK that is not going to help me, the victims, or the evil doers. Apparently, its also not going to please Krishna if we allow miscreants to sit in big Vyasa seats in His temples either. ys pd]
Sunday, August 11, 2019
Kapindra Maharaja Departs His Body
Hare Krishna
PAMHO AGTSP
Hare Krishna Prabhus!
Dandavats. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Please say prayer for his passing. He left during kirtan today around 3 PM at a hospice in Hilo. He first had said he was "sad and lonely" a few days back and then stopped eating. Hari Nama das prabhu will have more details. He was a pillar of exclusive devotion to Srila Prabhupada as the real acharya for this age.
ys Narasimha das
Ts-Ys,
Aprakrita Dasa
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Kapindra Maharaja made a small Prabhupadanuga temple in Brooklyn NY, and he inspired many people to accept Srila Prabhupada as the acharya with his temple / preaching program, the "Prabhupada Sankitan Society." He worked tirelessly for most of his life, guiding many people in the process of devotional service, under the direction of the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. His mission was to continue the original Hare Krishna Movement, and to share the mercy of the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada with everyone.
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Kapindra Maharaja made a small Prabhupadanuga temple in Brooklyn NY, and he inspired many people to accept Srila Prabhupada as the acharya with his temple / preaching program, the "Prabhupada Sankitan Society." He worked tirelessly for most of his life, guiding many people in the process of devotional service, under the direction of the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. His mission was to continue the original Hare Krishna Movement, and to share the mercy of the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada with everyone.
May we keep his memory at heart, and continue that mission in our lives wherever we may be! All glories to his service. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga. All glories to Sri Sri Radha Govinda.
About Jhulan Yatra
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2016/08/radha-krishna-jhulan-yatra.html
Jhulan Festival is celebrated in the month of Shravana (July – August) commemorating the pastimes of Lord Sri Krishna enjoying His childhood pastimes with His friends – the young cowherd boys and girls, swinging underneath the trees. Jhulana-yatra is a festival to celebrate Radha Krishna’s pastime of swinging on a golden swing after long stretch of Shravan and upon the arrival of Pavitra Ekadasi. This celebration is typically watched for five days till the Balaram Purnima or the Shravan Purnima.
One of the most popular events in the holy town of Vrindavan, India - where Lord Krishna appeared 5,000 years ago - is the celebration of Jhulan Yatra, the Radha-Krishna swing festival. In Vrindavan among the local villagers and inhabitants this festival lasts for 13 days. In Vrindavan this is one of the biggest festivals of the year and Vrindavana is very crowded at this time, literally hundreds of thousands of people from surrounding towns and villages visit Vrindavan over this period in the auspicious sacred month of Shravana (July-Aug). Opulence or simplicity, but often the swings are made of gold or silver.
In Sri Vrindavan for five days, in many of the 5000 temples there, the small Utsav-vighraha functional Deities (Vijay-utsav bera) are taken from the altar and placed on an elaborately decorated swing in the temple room. After receiving the traditional arati worship, the Deities are pushed on Their swing. Members of the congregation are invited to participate. Each person offers flower petals and personal prayers, and then pushes the swing several times as the other members chant Hare Krishna, Jaya Radhe Jaya Krishna jaya Vrindavan, or Jaya Radhe, Jaya Jaya Madhava dayite in kirtan. The atmosphere of this festival is especially sweet as everyone has the chance to intimately serve Radha and Krishna.
The same festival is observed in other parts of India too in this sacred month of Shravana. For example in Jagannath Puri, for the pleasure of Lord Jagannath's utsav vighraha (Madan-mohan ji, this festival is celebrated from Shravana Shukla Dashami (10th Tithi/phase of the Moon of the light fortnight) until Pratipada (1st tithi of the dark), a period of seven days. Sri Madanmohan, Jagannath's representative deity (vijay utsav), as well as Laxmi and Vishwadhatri are placed on a decorative wooden swing on Muktimandap (Jhulanmandap). There, worshippers have a chance to swing the Lord, thus entering into His pastimes. On the day of the full moon (Gamha Purnima or Jhulan Purnima), Lord Balabhadra's appearance day is celebrated.
In Vrindavan it starts on the Tritya (third day) of the bright fortnight of Shravana and lasts until the full moon night of the month. During this festival the Radha-Krishna Deities in the temples are swung on a swing. Some of the main temples that this festival is celebrated at are the Banke Bihari Temple and the Radha-Raman Temple in Vrindavana, the Dwarkadish temple in Mathura, and the Larily Lal Temple in Varsana.
In Iskcon temples they observe for five days in accordance with Srila Prabhupada's instructions. So whether one observes for the four days or for the seven, or thirteen days, the same festival is put on for the pleasure of the Lord and His loving associates. This is a wonderful ceremonial function of Lord Krishna's pastimes that reflects practically how we are to render service to the Lord for His pleasure.
At the time of the Jhulan Yatra festival it is Monsoon in India and the air is thick, heavy and humid with the heat and the rains. In the midst of the rainy season, when fields and jungle have turned shades of lush green and flowers are blossoming all around, the festival of Hariyali Teej is celebrated.
These festivals are not in any way mere rituals, as they all have practical service functionality to invoke loving servitude of the devotees for the Lord. Lord Sri Krishna is the Supreme enjoyer and doesn't have to work hard like us in this world. Everything He does is pleasurable, and He organises many situation in which He can incorporate us, His separated parts and parcels into His loving service which is our natural condition in the spiritual realm.
When Sri Krishna had his pastimes in rural Vrindavan with His cowherd friends together they lovingly tended the cows, and wandered in the pastures playing, frolicking, and feasting. Throughout the various seasons they all continuously enjoyed being part of Sri Krishna's pastimes, and rendering loving service to Him as best they could.
Over the past few months as the climate had changed from Vasant Panchami (Spring festival) where everyone dresses in yellow and goes to the fields, performs fertility rites, and plants new crops, etc.) to Dola Purnima where scented powders and flowers are thrown on the body of the Lord playfully, and singing and dancing goes on for His pleasure. Similarly all the other different festivals were observed where the friends of Lord Krishna would look after His express comforts or pleasure, go to the forest with Him, serve Him and have fun.
As the temperature rises toward Summer the Chandan Yatra is performed where from the Akshaya Tritiya for a period of 21 days the body of the Lord is anointed with scented sandalwood mixed with camphor, musk, saffron. As the sandalwood is applied to the body it immediately cools, but then there is a natural cycle that also follows with the heat naturally there is some perspiration, and as the perspiration again mixes with the sandalwood it is dried and cooled by even the slightest breeze creating a pleasant feeling like being covered with Talcum powder.
However, as the temperature increases just to be anointed with something cooling is not enough therefore on (or from for some sampradayas or temples) the Snan Purnima in the month of Jyestha (Trivikram Vaishnava mase) there is the ceremonial bathing of the Lord called Snan Yatra. Although it has become especially festive in Jagannath Puri the actual event originates in Vrindavana with the devotees bathing Krishna, and Balaram for their pleasure and then taking bath themselves too. Actually at this time there is no other solace than to bathe in some kind of pleasing water. All the temples of Vrindavan follow this festival, and many devotees follow a trail of pilgrimage from one temple to the next from early morning to late evening when the temperature lowers to about 35-40 degrees centigrade absorbed in the Snan rasa.
The next major interactive event is Rathyatra where the devotees symbolically bring Lord Krishna (Jagannath) His brother Balaram and Subhadra maharani on high chariots, with beautiful flapping canopies, back to rural Vrindavan after their spell in Kurukshetra.
After this comes the Jhulan Yatra festival. Starting on the ekadasi of waxing moon of Sridhara month, many temples in Vrndavana celebrate Krsna's swing festival, some for one day, others for more days. Traditionally many of the Deities of the Lord wears various clothing with green in it over this period until the Balaram Purnima. Again it is a practical festive service that the devotees provide for the Lord. Monsoon is so humid, and the temperature is still so hot despite the cooling rains.
In Sri Vrindavan for five days, in many of the 5000 temples there, the small Utsav-vighraha functional Deities (Vijay-utsav bera) are taken from the altar and placed on an elaborately decorated swing in the temple room. After receiving the traditional arati worship, the Deities are pushed on Their swing. Members of the congregation are invited to participate. Each person offers flower petals and personal prayers, and then pushes the swing several times as the other members chant Hare Krishna, Jaya Radhe Jaya Krishna jaya Vrindavan, or Jaya Radhe, Jaya Jaya Madhava dayite in kirtan. The atmosphere of this festival is especially sweet as everyone has the chance to intimately serve Radha and Krishna.
The same festival is observed in other parts of India too in this sacred month of Shravana. For example in Jagannath Puri, for the pleasure of Lord Jagannath's utsav vighraha (Madan-mohan ji, this festival is celebrated from Shravana Shukla Dashami (10th Tithi/phase of the Moon of the light fortnight) until Pratipada (1st tithi of the dark), a period of seven days. Sri Madanmohan, Jagannath's representative deity (vijay utsav), as well as Laxmi and Vishwadhatri are placed on a decorative wooden swing on Muktimandap (Jhulanmandap). There, worshippers have a chance to swing the Lord, thus entering into His pastimes. On the day of the full moon (Gamha Purnima or Jhulan Purnima), Lord Balabhadra's appearance day is celebrated.
In Vrindavan it starts on the Tritya (third day) of the bright fortnight of Shravana and lasts until the full moon night of the month. During this festival the Radha-Krishna Deities in the temples are swung on a swing. Some of the main temples that this festival is celebrated at are the Banke Bihari Temple and the Radha-Raman Temple in Vrindavana, the Dwarkadish temple in Mathura, and the Larily Lal Temple in Varsana.
In Iskcon temples they observe for five days in accordance with Srila Prabhupada's instructions. So whether one observes for the four days or for the seven, or thirteen days, the same festival is put on for the pleasure of the Lord and His loving associates. This is a wonderful ceremonial function of Lord Krishna's pastimes that reflects practically how we are to render service to the Lord for His pleasure.
At the time of the Jhulan Yatra festival it is Monsoon in India and the air is thick, heavy and humid with the heat and the rains. In the midst of the rainy season, when fields and jungle have turned shades of lush green and flowers are blossoming all around, the festival of Hariyali Teej is celebrated.
These festivals are not in any way mere rituals, as they all have practical service functionality to invoke loving servitude of the devotees for the Lord. Lord Sri Krishna is the Supreme enjoyer and doesn't have to work hard like us in this world. Everything He does is pleasurable, and He organises many situation in which He can incorporate us, His separated parts and parcels into His loving service which is our natural condition in the spiritual realm.
When Sri Krishna had his pastimes in rural Vrindavan with His cowherd friends together they lovingly tended the cows, and wandered in the pastures playing, frolicking, and feasting. Throughout the various seasons they all continuously enjoyed being part of Sri Krishna's pastimes, and rendering loving service to Him as best they could.
Over the past few months as the climate had changed from Vasant Panchami (Spring festival) where everyone dresses in yellow and goes to the fields, performs fertility rites, and plants new crops, etc.) to Dola Purnima where scented powders and flowers are thrown on the body of the Lord playfully, and singing and dancing goes on for His pleasure. Similarly all the other different festivals were observed where the friends of Lord Krishna would look after His express comforts or pleasure, go to the forest with Him, serve Him and have fun.
As the temperature rises toward Summer the Chandan Yatra is performed where from the Akshaya Tritiya for a period of 21 days the body of the Lord is anointed with scented sandalwood mixed with camphor, musk, saffron. As the sandalwood is applied to the body it immediately cools, but then there is a natural cycle that also follows with the heat naturally there is some perspiration, and as the perspiration again mixes with the sandalwood it is dried and cooled by even the slightest breeze creating a pleasant feeling like being covered with Talcum powder.
However, as the temperature increases just to be anointed with something cooling is not enough therefore on (or from for some sampradayas or temples) the Snan Purnima in the month of Jyestha (Trivikram Vaishnava mase) there is the ceremonial bathing of the Lord called Snan Yatra. Although it has become especially festive in Jagannath Puri the actual event originates in Vrindavana with the devotees bathing Krishna, and Balaram for their pleasure and then taking bath themselves too. Actually at this time there is no other solace than to bathe in some kind of pleasing water. All the temples of Vrindavan follow this festival, and many devotees follow a trail of pilgrimage from one temple to the next from early morning to late evening when the temperature lowers to about 35-40 degrees centigrade absorbed in the Snan rasa.
The next major interactive event is Rathyatra where the devotees symbolically bring Lord Krishna (Jagannath) His brother Balaram and Subhadra maharani on high chariots, with beautiful flapping canopies, back to rural Vrindavan after their spell in Kurukshetra.
After this comes the Jhulan Yatra festival. Starting on the ekadasi of waxing moon of Sridhara month, many temples in Vrndavana celebrate Krsna's swing festival, some for one day, others for more days. Traditionally many of the Deities of the Lord wears various clothing with green in it over this period until the Balaram Purnima. Again it is a practical festive service that the devotees provide for the Lord. Monsoon is so humid, and the temperature is still so hot despite the cooling rains.
With so much water coming from the sky, on the ground, and just about everywhere the last thing that anyone wants is more water to cool off. The opulence at this time is to find a breeze, as the air is heavy with the humidity of the rains. So the devotees arrange for the pleasure and satisfaction of Krishna, Balaram, and Srimati Radhika by placing them on a swing (Jhulan) and creating their own breeze from the motion.
It is a most pleasing and satisfying festival, with the swings often highly decorated with forest creepers, Jasmine (Malati) that has newly blossomed in the season, and streamers of garlands. Sometimes they use a fine spray of rose water and direct it toward the Divine couple of Radha and Krishna on Their swing.
Today in Iskcon temples all over the world by the mercy of his Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad all the devotees and the congregational members get the opportunity to come forward after purifying their hands and remember these loving interactions of Sri Krishna with His devotees, and also assist in the direct personal service of the Lord by applying themselves to pushing the swing.
On the last day of the Jhulan, on the Purnima (full moon) this comes Lord Balaram's appearance day festival.
Jhulan references:
It is a most pleasing and satisfying festival, with the swings often highly decorated with forest creepers, Jasmine (Malati) that has newly blossomed in the season, and streamers of garlands. Sometimes they use a fine spray of rose water and direct it toward the Divine couple of Radha and Krishna on Their swing.
Today in Iskcon temples all over the world by the mercy of his Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad all the devotees and the congregational members get the opportunity to come forward after purifying their hands and remember these loving interactions of Sri Krishna with His devotees, and also assist in the direct personal service of the Lord by applying themselves to pushing the swing.
On the last day of the Jhulan, on the Purnima (full moon) this comes Lord Balaram's appearance day festival.
Jhulan references:
"Regarding Jhulana yatra Ceremony, during these five days the Deities' clothing should be changed everyday, and there should be nice Prasadam distribution and Sankirtana as far as possible. If you are able to do it, a nice throne may be constructed on which the Deities can be placed. This throne may be swung gently during Kirtana. That will be very good, and surely the Deities will enjoy the function." (A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.1st August. 1969. Letter to Jayapataka Swami. Letters book pg. 977.)
"So we have to practice this Krsna consciousness. Here, in this material world, we have to work. Without work, you cannot maintain even your family, your body. That is not possible. Sarira-yatrapi te na prasiddhyed akarmana-. Krsna says (to) Arjuna that without karma you cannot maintain even your body. So you have to work. Sarira-yatrapi te na prasiddhyed akarmana-. And this material world means you have to maintain by working. And spiritual world means na tasya karyam karanam ca vidyate.
"So we have to practice this Krsna consciousness. Here, in this material world, we have to work. Without work, you cannot maintain even your family, your body. That is not possible. Sarira-yatrapi te na prasiddhyed akarmana-. Krsna says (to) Arjuna that without karma you cannot maintain even your body. So you have to work. Sarira-yatrapi te na prasiddhyed akarmana-. And this material world means you have to maintain by working. And spiritual world means na tasya karyam karanam ca vidyate.
There is nothing to work, as Krsna has nothing to work. He is simply enjoying What is called? Swing. So Krsna is enjoying, and Krsna's associates are enjoying. They have nothing to work. That is spiritual world. Cintamani prakara sadmasu kalpa vrksa: that is a different world. There is no material body. Therefore there is no need of the material body. That is a different world. But in this material world we have to work. Trt'ya-karma-samj
"Radha and Krsna may be swung in this way, but you may avoid swinging Lord Jagannatha like that."(A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 5th Jan. 1973. Letter to Jagdish. Letters book p.2220.)
A pastime of Srimati Radharani and Sri Krishna's:
"Radha and Krsna may be swung in this way, but you may avoid swinging Lord Jagannatha like that."(A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 5th Jan. 1973. Letter to Jagdish. Letters book p.2220.)
A pastime of Srimati Radharani and Sri Krishna's:
As stated Jhulan-yatra is very dear to Krsna, He likes it very much, now from another perspective you will see why !!!. From a cultural perspective in India during this period, all daughters go to their father's house to stay there for some days and enjoy the swing festival - a custom celebrated even up to this day.
Every year Srimati Radharani used to go to Varshana to her parents' house and have a very nice time there with her Gopi friends and Krsna, whom She could freely meet (because Jotila and Kotila were not around).
'One time Radharani was waiting for her brother Sridam to come and take her to her fathers' house. She was waiting, waiting, and waiting, but there was no sign of Sridam and She became so sad. One day a person from Varsana was there. She asked the man to ask her father, "Why have they have forgotten Me?" She then started to cry bitterly. The person went to Varshana and told Vrsabhanu Maharaja about the condition of his daughter. Hearing this news, Vrishabhanu Maharaja immediately sent Sridam to Varshana to get Radharani.
Srimati Radharani's Mother Kirtida packed many presents for Jotila to send with Sridam, knowing that if she did not do this, Jotila, being harsh of character sometimes would not send Srimati Radharani to Varshana.
Meanwhile, day and night Srimati Radharani was staring at the road coming from Varshana. One day, She saw Sridam and when he finally arrived at the front gate they embraced each other. She was weeping, "Oh brother you had forgotten Me?; My father and mother too?; Everyone forgot Me?"
At first Jotila refused to let Srimati Radharani go. "No no, She cannot go. She has so much work to do here, and there is so much danger there because of that black boy. She cannot go."
Then Sridam gave Jotila all the presents given by Kirtida ma. Seeing this, she said, "Alright, she can go, but only for a few days."
"Then Srimati Radharani and Sridam went on a cart pulled by four bullocks to Varshana. Seeing the palace of her parents on the hilltop, feeling great happiness Radharani started weeping and even more weeping when She saw Her father and mother face to face.
Every year Srimati Radharani used to go to Varshana to her parents' house and have a very nice time there with her Gopi friends and Krsna, whom She could freely meet (because Jotila and Kotila were not around).
'One time Radharani was waiting for her brother Sridam to come and take her to her fathers' house. She was waiting, waiting, and waiting, but there was no sign of Sridam and She became so sad. One day a person from Varsana was there. She asked the man to ask her father, "Why have they have forgotten Me?" She then started to cry bitterly. The person went to Varshana and told Vrsabhanu Maharaja about the condition of his daughter. Hearing this news, Vrishabhanu Maharaja immediately sent Sridam to Varshana to get Radharani.
Srimati Radharani's Mother Kirtida packed many presents for Jotila to send with Sridam, knowing that if she did not do this, Jotila, being harsh of character sometimes would not send Srimati Radharani to Varshana.
Meanwhile, day and night Srimati Radharani was staring at the road coming from Varshana. One day, She saw Sridam and when he finally arrived at the front gate they embraced each other. She was weeping, "Oh brother you had forgotten Me?; My father and mother too?; Everyone forgot Me?"
At first Jotila refused to let Srimati Radharani go. "No no, She cannot go. She has so much work to do here, and there is so much danger there because of that black boy. She cannot go."
Then Sridam gave Jotila all the presents given by Kirtida ma. Seeing this, she said, "Alright, she can go, but only for a few days."
"Then Srimati Radharani and Sridam went on a cart pulled by four bullocks to Varshana. Seeing the palace of her parents on the hilltop, feeling great happiness Radharani started weeping and even more weeping when She saw Her father and mother face to face.
At that time Jhulan-yatra had already started and Srimati Radharani started swinging with Her sakhis (friends) during periods in the day and night, but She was not satisfied alone, without Krsna there. Knowing this, Krsna sometimes came in disguise to the palace. Sometimes He dressed as a Gopi selling bangles or beautiful garlands. Or He appeared in any other form and made an appointment for Them to meet each other somewhere in a very secret place in the forest.
Once, Srimati Radharani was seated on the Jhulan and Krsna was pushing the swing very gently. Suddenly Krsna put so much force in pushing the swing that Srimati Radharani became fearful and started crying out, "O Krsna, save Me, save Me!" That transcendental trickster Sri Krsna climbed on the swing and She firmly embraced Him, giving Him so much pleasure. Why so much pleasure? Because normally He has to do so many tricks so that Radharani will embrace Him, but in this instance She embraced Him out of Her own will, without much effort on His part. Therefore He is so fond of these swing pastimes.
Some meditations on Sri Jhulan Yatra in Sri Vrindavan Dham.
The Jhulan time is very intense. In general the Shravana masha have an exceptional mood, it is raining all the time, Yamuna Mayi became very wide, flooded and there is a fresh atmosphere for devotees who move daily to whorship and take the lila-darshan which is performed in diverse temples in Vrindavan. As an example, in Jai Sing Geera, the lilas are performed during the whole week: every morning Gauranga-lila and at the evening Krishna-lila's theatre is played.
Devotees tell that some time ago a king, who was a great devotee of Sri Radha-Raman used to came to Vrindavan in the Shravana month to assist that performances which started out of his own desire. The rasa-lilas and theatre performance of Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu and Sri Krishna lilas was very dear to him and surely to Sri Radha Krishna also because since that time it now takes place as a yearly event.
In each of Vrindavans' temples a wonderful swing-kunja is to be found, each with singular features along with the swinging mood and the always happy "Jay Sri Radhe! Jay Sri Radhe!". There took place also the golden swing darshan of Sri Banka Bihari ji, which occurs once yearly. It happen the first day of Jhulan in which streets are completely crowded, any vehicles, like cars, even Auto-rickshaws transit is very much restricted and Rikshaws can move only in the main roads. Some devotees wait until the midnight special aratis to get darshan because during the day it's just ridiculous to try and get in with the hundreds of thousands of villages who descend on Vrindavan township to be absorbed in this wonderful festival.
There's a good business made by devotees engaged in making the huge amounts of garlands that are used in all the temples, by all the devotees wanting to offer garlands, and to decorate the temples and Jhulan(s) during the whole week. It's a perfect example how everyone benefits, both economically - financially, socially, spiritually etc., simply by rendering some simple service for the pleasure of the Lord. Vast amounts of prasadam is cooked and offered to the Deities, and sold for a small donation; the hotles, dharmshallas, guest-houses etc, Rickshaws, taxis, everyone, all are happy and satisfied knowing that simply by serving the Lord, the root of everything all their needs will be taken care of.
Once, Srimati Radharani was seated on the Jhulan and Krsna was pushing the swing very gently. Suddenly Krsna put so much force in pushing the swing that Srimati Radharani became fearful and started crying out, "O Krsna, save Me, save Me!" That transcendental trickster Sri Krsna climbed on the swing and She firmly embraced Him, giving Him so much pleasure. Why so much pleasure? Because normally He has to do so many tricks so that Radharani will embrace Him, but in this instance She embraced Him out of Her own will, without much effort on His part. Therefore He is so fond of these swing pastimes.
Some meditations on Sri Jhulan Yatra in Sri Vrindavan Dham.
The Jhulan time is very intense. In general the Shravana masha have an exceptional mood, it is raining all the time, Yamuna Mayi became very wide, flooded and there is a fresh atmosphere for devotees who move daily to whorship and take the lila-darshan which is performed in diverse temples in Vrindavan. As an example, in Jai Sing Geera, the lilas are performed during the whole week: every morning Gauranga-lila and at the evening Krishna-lila's theatre is played.
Devotees tell that some time ago a king, who was a great devotee of Sri Radha-Raman used to came to Vrindavan in the Shravana month to assist that performances which started out of his own desire. The rasa-lilas and theatre performance of Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu and Sri Krishna lilas was very dear to him and surely to Sri Radha Krishna also because since that time it now takes place as a yearly event.
In each of Vrindavans' temples a wonderful swing-kunja is to be found, each with singular features along with the swinging mood and the always happy "Jay Sri Radhe! Jay Sri Radhe!". There took place also the golden swing darshan of Sri Banka Bihari ji, which occurs once yearly. It happen the first day of Jhulan in which streets are completely crowded, any vehicles, like cars, even Auto-rickshaws transit is very much restricted and Rikshaws can move only in the main roads. Some devotees wait until the midnight special aratis to get darshan because during the day it's just ridiculous to try and get in with the hundreds of thousands of villages who descend on Vrindavan township to be absorbed in this wonderful festival.
There's a good business made by devotees engaged in making the huge amounts of garlands that are used in all the temples, by all the devotees wanting to offer garlands, and to decorate the temples and Jhulan(s) during the whole week. It's a perfect example how everyone benefits, both economically - financially, socially, spiritually etc., simply by rendering some simple service for the pleasure of the Lord. Vast amounts of prasadam is cooked and offered to the Deities, and sold for a small donation; the hotles, dharmshallas, guest-houses etc, Rickshaws, taxis, everyone, all are happy and satisfied knowing that simply by serving the Lord, the root of everything all their needs will be taken care of.
Saturday, August 10, 2019
Why hasn't Paramadvaiti swami been reported to the police?
JND: Looks like someone has leaked photos of fake guru Paramadvaiti Swami with naked kids (looks like a naked five year old girl on his lap). I won't link them here, but they are there in facebook. He is another low life pedo cockroach that needs to be removed. Waiting for a brainless zombie to post "even if engaged in the most sinful acts, a devotee should be seen as saintly..." All the people who covered for him while knowing what he was doing are equally guilty. People like "Atulananda Acharya". Birds of a feather.
PADA: He was at Kirtanananda's samdhi ceremony, birds of a feather ...
RS: These folks are dangerous!
JND: More dangerous are the people that protect and cover up for these criminals.
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KN: I am shocked to see photo of Paramadvaiti with a naked little girl on his lap and none of his people have reported him to the police? I would report him myself but he does not ever land in my country, so there is nowhere here for me to report him. Why are his followers not taking him to the police and having him arrested? This is disgusting!
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PADA: Yes, good question. Of course for years we have submitted photos of the "Paramadvaiti swami hugging younger women" program, ok at least they are not five years old, but its still exploiting. Since they are his dependents, and he is like their spiritual father, he is exploiting them. OK he was having full on encounters with some of them, and yes that is a form of incest according to Srila Prabhupada, when the guru exploits the followers, its like incest.
And there are many photos of Indradyumna sort of embracing VERY younger girls which we also posted from time to time. Lets face it, there is a lot of sympathy for these guys and that is why Paramadvaiti is welcome at ISKCON and we are not.
All this type thing was already going on in the Gaudiya Matha, they had so-called gurus, and they were having affairs, sometimes homsexual affairs and so forth. Exploiting for money, sex, followers and who knows what else.
So we went after the whole lot of them, ISKCON's and Gaudiya Matha's sexual exploiters posing as gurus. The only reason they are getting away with all this is: that there are a lot of sentimental people who think all these people are saints, and they cover for that process. Even Bhakta das told me I was an offender for opposing his going over to the Gaudiya Matha, and for my attacking GBC's gurus like Radhanath / Trivrikrama swami etc. (program that invites Paramadvaiti over for association)?
And how did you guess, along comes the Panacali / Krishna Kirtan / Janardan / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahald / Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur folks and they complain, why on earth is PADA objecting to our favorite pedophile messiah's club, which has been starving, beating and molesting children -- and having them worship pedophiles as their messiahs?
And then they make a video with Bhakta das to defend their pedophile pooja process, then they (includes HKC Jaipur folks) send me the link to that video. And thinking what, that I am now going to surrender to the bogus GBC's idea that pedophiles are messiahs from God's kingdom, and they should not be opposed? JND is correct, these cover up folks are more dangerous than the perps themselves, they keep the process going.
OK, well shastra is very clear, there are those who promote worship pure devotees, and they have one destination, and then there are those who promote the worship of sexual exploiters and they have another destination. This is all very clear in shastra and does not need repeating here.
In any case, we are in TOTAL favor of having this guy reported to the police. If anyone has some way of doing that, they should. And if any of this situation is being brought forward more, with the authorities or among his own followers, we'd like a report. Please send us further details of how this goes. We hope there are some favorable updates, i.e. he has been reported to the police. ys pd
angel108b@yaohoo.com
Agreed prabhu:
Kirtanananda also should have been reported to the police for agressing boys in his motorhome and etc. Same thing, Kirtanananda was agressing boys and this was not reported to the police ...and those of us who objected were being banned, and shot ...
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KN: I am shocked to see photo of Paramadvaiti with a naked little girl on his lap and none of his people have reported him to the police? I would report him myself but he does not ever land in my country, so there is nowhere here for me to report him. Why are his followers not taking him to the police and having him arrested? This is disgusting!
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PADA: Yes, good question. Of course for years we have submitted photos of the "Paramadvaiti swami hugging younger women" program, ok at least they are not five years old, but its still exploiting. Since they are his dependents, and he is like their spiritual father, he is exploiting them. OK he was having full on encounters with some of them, and yes that is a form of incest according to Srila Prabhupada, when the guru exploits the followers, its like incest.
And there are many photos of Indradyumna sort of embracing VERY younger girls which we also posted from time to time. Lets face it, there is a lot of sympathy for these guys and that is why Paramadvaiti is welcome at ISKCON and we are not.
All this type thing was already going on in the Gaudiya Matha, they had so-called gurus, and they were having affairs, sometimes homsexual affairs and so forth. Exploiting for money, sex, followers and who knows what else.
So we went after the whole lot of them, ISKCON's and Gaudiya Matha's sexual exploiters posing as gurus. The only reason they are getting away with all this is: that there are a lot of sentimental people who think all these people are saints, and they cover for that process. Even Bhakta das told me I was an offender for opposing his going over to the Gaudiya Matha, and for my attacking GBC's gurus like Radhanath / Trivrikrama swami etc. (program that invites Paramadvaiti over for association)?
And how did you guess, along comes the Panacali / Krishna Kirtan / Janardan / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahald / Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur folks and they complain, why on earth is PADA objecting to our favorite pedophile messiah's club, which has been starving, beating and molesting children -- and having them worship pedophiles as their messiahs?
And then they make a video with Bhakta das to defend their pedophile pooja process, then they (includes HKC Jaipur folks) send me the link to that video. And thinking what, that I am now going to surrender to the bogus GBC's idea that pedophiles are messiahs from God's kingdom, and they should not be opposed? JND is correct, these cover up folks are more dangerous than the perps themselves, they keep the process going.
OK, well shastra is very clear, there are those who promote worship pure devotees, and they have one destination, and then there are those who promote the worship of sexual exploiters and they have another destination. This is all very clear in shastra and does not need repeating here.
In any case, we are in TOTAL favor of having this guy reported to the police. If anyone has some way of doing that, they should. And if any of this situation is being brought forward more, with the authorities or among his own followers, we'd like a report. Please send us further details of how this goes. We hope there are some favorable updates, i.e. he has been reported to the police. ys pd
angel108b@yaohoo.com
The Bhakta Das / Radhanath lovers club
Agreed prabhu:
Kirtanananda also should have been reported to the police for agressing boys in his motorhome and etc. Same thing, Kirtanananda was agressing boys and this was not reported to the police ...and those of us who objected were being banned, and shot ...
Friday, August 9, 2019
"A SHOW CANNOT GO ON MANY DAYS." (SP Quote) + PADA comments
"A SHOW CANNOT GO ON MANY DAYS. SHOW WILL BE FINISHED VERY SOON."
Srila Prabhupada:
So it is very difficult. If we lost..., if we have lost that feeling that "Here is Kṛṣṇa. Here is a chance to serve Him..." Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstraiḥ... Not that. Śrī-vigrahārādhana-nitya-nānā-śṛṅgāra-tan-mandira-mārjanādau. As soon as... Therefore we are very much vigilant, "Why you did not this? Why you do not this? Why...?" As soon as the feeling of devotional service will be lost, this temple will be a burden. This is the way.
It will be such a big temple; to manage, it will be a great burden. So they are feeling burden. Therefore they don't mind if somewhere is broken sometimes. "All right, let us, whatever money we have got, let us eat first of all." This is the position. Vigraha and galagraha. You should understand. If we forget that "Here is Kṛṣṇa personally present.
"We have to receive Him very nicely. We have to give Him nice food, nice dress, nice..." Then it is service. And as soon as the feeling comes that "Here is a stone idol"—they say sometimes "idol worship"—"and we have been instructed to dress Him, to give Him..., all botheration." Then finished. Finished.
That has come everywhere. I have seen in Nasik in many, many big temples there is no pūjārī, and the dogs are passing stool. Not only that, the buildings, they're breaking down. In Western countries also the churches are being closed—big, big churches. In London I have seen, very big, big churches, but they're closed. When there is meeting on Sunday, the caretaker, two, three men and some old lady, they come. Nobody comes.
And we are purchasing. We have purchased several churches. Because it is now useless. It is useless. In our Los Angeles we have purchased, and several others. In Toronto, that recently we have purchased. Big, big churches. But they would not sell us. One church, the priest said that "I shall set fire in this church, still I shall not give to Bhaktivedanta Swami." (laughter) This Toronto church was like that also. And in Melbourne, the condition was, sale condition was, that you have to dismantle this church building. We said, "Why?" He said, "Utilize as temple now, then we shall not give you." They refused. You know that? So they do not like that "This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement will purchase our churches and install Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Deity." They do not like that. But it is not going on.
So not only the churches in the Western countries; here also. As soon as you will lose the spirit of service, this temple will become a big go-down, that's all. No more temple. So we have to maintain that service spirit. Therefore we are so much particular—"Why fresh flower is not there?" If you think, "Here is a stone statue. What is the meaning of fresh flower or old flower? We have to give some flower. That's all." But no feeling, that "Here is Kṛṣṇa. We must give fresh flower." Just like I'm a living man, if you give me a fresh flower, and if you bring some garbage and if you give me, shall I be pleased? Do you think?
So this feeling is losing even in the beginning, that "We shall satisfy this statue with some rubbish, garbage flower. He's not going to protest." Yes, He'll not protest. But your life will be finished. The protest will come like that. As soon as you lost the feeling, bhāva, budhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ (BG 10.8)... Who can worship Kṛṣṇa? When there is bhāva, sthāyi-bhāva. This has been discussed in Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, what is bhāva. But if you have no bhāva, then you are on the material (indistinct), kaniṣṭha-adhikārī. Simply show. A show cannot go on many days. Show will be finished very soon.
[Excerpt from Lecture on Smd.Bhagavatam- 1.7.27 - Vrndavana, September 24, 1976]
PADA: Yes, a show of false gurus does not last, as we see from the Gaudiya Matha's disintegration and so many other examples. Now the Paramadvaiti swami / VRNDA program is having a big meltdown / split up over his apparent sexual impropriety, which should not really surprise anyone since he is part of the "Sridhara Maharaja" program that anoints conditioned souls as their acharyas.
In 1936 Sridhara Maharaja created a bi-sexual deviant acharya's imbroglio, which resulted in banning, beating and murder of dissenters. And after 1977, he co-conspired with the GBC to make more deviants into acharyas. So, its a pattern here.
A conditioned soul will also have a well known, well documented propensity for sense gratification, especially sexual gratification, whether licit or illicit. And he may tend to also take intoxicants, siphon funds, or worse he might orchestrate murders of dissenters etc. Therefore such dubious types of souls should not be elevated to the post of guru and acharya. That is very clear from the instructions of Srila Prabhupada.
So the wind is gaining more and more in the sails of us Prabhupadanugas -- because we are getting literally hundreds of more people these days to agree that the GBC's / Gaudiya Matha's guru imbroglio is a deviation, and there is a need to focus on the acharya proper. Even Bhakti Caru swami recently said everyone has to read Srila Prabhupada's books or they will have problems, ok what we said the whole time.
And thus we are getting more and more nice inquiries on these topics, including some folks from the Radhanath program who recently asked me about the Kirtanananda connection to Radhanath. Other people ask me why the GBC / Rocana / Torben / Ajit Krishna / Hanuman Croatia people keep saying worship of a pure devotee is "the bogus Christian idea," and self - apparently they still think we need to worship one of their "living" conditioned souls as acharyas. Umm, they have not recognized that their idea is -- not working -- yet?
So that is one inquiry we get, "Why do these folks say we cannot worship the posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem, resting already in the coffin dead folks, ok like KRISHNA and His ACHARYAS? What kind of religion says God and their acharyas are -- the post mortem? Good questions!
And of course we sometimes have to field questions about the bogus Prabhupadanugas, who told me its a terrible idea to stop children from being beaten and molested. Worse, these folks sat down and interviewed Bhakta das, who loves to tell us how bad the ritviks are, and how wonderful the Radhanath program is. Worse, these people told me the Radhanath program is "innocent" and should not have to pay for their crimes, apparently so they can print more Radhanath books. Anyway, these guys are also not making much progress with their process, its just the wrong thing to try to state at this point. We need more beatings and bogus books? Nope!
Overall, good questions coming in, making progress, albeit slow -- but steady. ys pd]
angel108b@yahoo.com
Srila Prabhupada:
So it is very difficult. If we lost..., if we have lost that feeling that "Here is Kṛṣṇa. Here is a chance to serve Him..." Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstraiḥ... Not that. Śrī-vigrahārādhana-nitya-nānā-śṛṅgāra-tan-mandira-mārjanādau. As soon as... Therefore we are very much vigilant, "Why you did not this? Why you do not this? Why...?" As soon as the feeling of devotional service will be lost, this temple will be a burden. This is the way.
It will be such a big temple; to manage, it will be a great burden. So they are feeling burden. Therefore they don't mind if somewhere is broken sometimes. "All right, let us, whatever money we have got, let us eat first of all." This is the position. Vigraha and galagraha. You should understand. If we forget that "Here is Kṛṣṇa personally present.
"We have to receive Him very nicely. We have to give Him nice food, nice dress, nice..." Then it is service. And as soon as the feeling comes that "Here is a stone idol"—they say sometimes "idol worship"—"and we have been instructed to dress Him, to give Him..., all botheration." Then finished. Finished.
That has come everywhere. I have seen in Nasik in many, many big temples there is no pūjārī, and the dogs are passing stool. Not only that, the buildings, they're breaking down. In Western countries also the churches are being closed—big, big churches. In London I have seen, very big, big churches, but they're closed. When there is meeting on Sunday, the caretaker, two, three men and some old lady, they come. Nobody comes.
And we are purchasing. We have purchased several churches. Because it is now useless. It is useless. In our Los Angeles we have purchased, and several others. In Toronto, that recently we have purchased. Big, big churches. But they would not sell us. One church, the priest said that "I shall set fire in this church, still I shall not give to Bhaktivedanta Swami." (laughter) This Toronto church was like that also. And in Melbourne, the condition was, sale condition was, that you have to dismantle this church building. We said, "Why?" He said, "Utilize as temple now, then we shall not give you." They refused. You know that? So they do not like that "This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement will purchase our churches and install Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Deity." They do not like that. But it is not going on.
So not only the churches in the Western countries; here also. As soon as you will lose the spirit of service, this temple will become a big go-down, that's all. No more temple. So we have to maintain that service spirit. Therefore we are so much particular—"Why fresh flower is not there?" If you think, "Here is a stone statue. What is the meaning of fresh flower or old flower? We have to give some flower. That's all." But no feeling, that "Here is Kṛṣṇa. We must give fresh flower." Just like I'm a living man, if you give me a fresh flower, and if you bring some garbage and if you give me, shall I be pleased? Do you think?
So this feeling is losing even in the beginning, that "We shall satisfy this statue with some rubbish, garbage flower. He's not going to protest." Yes, He'll not protest. But your life will be finished. The protest will come like that. As soon as you lost the feeling, bhāva, budhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ (BG 10.8)... Who can worship Kṛṣṇa? When there is bhāva, sthāyi-bhāva. This has been discussed in Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, what is bhāva. But if you have no bhāva, then you are on the material (indistinct), kaniṣṭha-adhikārī. Simply show. A show cannot go on many days. Show will be finished very soon.
[Excerpt from Lecture on Smd.Bhagavatam- 1.7.27 - Vrndavana, September 24, 1976]
PADA: Yes, a show of false gurus does not last, as we see from the Gaudiya Matha's disintegration and so many other examples. Now the Paramadvaiti swami / VRNDA program is having a big meltdown / split up over his apparent sexual impropriety, which should not really surprise anyone since he is part of the "Sridhara Maharaja" program that anoints conditioned souls as their acharyas.
In 1936 Sridhara Maharaja created a bi-sexual deviant acharya's imbroglio, which resulted in banning, beating and murder of dissenters. And after 1977, he co-conspired with the GBC to make more deviants into acharyas. So, its a pattern here.
A conditioned soul will also have a well known, well documented propensity for sense gratification, especially sexual gratification, whether licit or illicit. And he may tend to also take intoxicants, siphon funds, or worse he might orchestrate murders of dissenters etc. Therefore such dubious types of souls should not be elevated to the post of guru and acharya. That is very clear from the instructions of Srila Prabhupada.
So the wind is gaining more and more in the sails of us Prabhupadanugas -- because we are getting literally hundreds of more people these days to agree that the GBC's / Gaudiya Matha's guru imbroglio is a deviation, and there is a need to focus on the acharya proper. Even Bhakti Caru swami recently said everyone has to read Srila Prabhupada's books or they will have problems, ok what we said the whole time.
And thus we are getting more and more nice inquiries on these topics, including some folks from the Radhanath program who recently asked me about the Kirtanananda connection to Radhanath. Other people ask me why the GBC / Rocana / Torben / Ajit Krishna / Hanuman Croatia people keep saying worship of a pure devotee is "the bogus Christian idea," and self - apparently they still think we need to worship one of their "living" conditioned souls as acharyas. Umm, they have not recognized that their idea is -- not working -- yet?
So that is one inquiry we get, "Why do these folks say we cannot worship the posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem, resting already in the coffin dead folks, ok like KRISHNA and His ACHARYAS? What kind of religion says God and their acharyas are -- the post mortem? Good questions!
And of course we sometimes have to field questions about the bogus Prabhupadanugas, who told me its a terrible idea to stop children from being beaten and molested. Worse, these folks sat down and interviewed Bhakta das, who loves to tell us how bad the ritviks are, and how wonderful the Radhanath program is. Worse, these people told me the Radhanath program is "innocent" and should not have to pay for their crimes, apparently so they can print more Radhanath books. Anyway, these guys are also not making much progress with their process, its just the wrong thing to try to state at this point. We need more beatings and bogus books? Nope!
Overall, good questions coming in, making progress, albeit slow -- but steady. ys pd]
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