Mahamsa Das Video / Kailasa chandra / Free Will 07 20 25

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The Hare Krishna Project Book Shop - Srila Prabhupada's Original Books for Sale 

We now have a new stock of Srila Prabhupada's original, unedited, books for sale.
We currently have available:

- Bhagavad Gita As It Is, 1972 Macmillan edition (pocket size) - £7
- Bhagavad Gita As It Is, 1972 Macmillan edition (full size) - £12
- The Topmost Yoga System - £4
- Beyond Birth & Death - £4
- Perfect Questions Perfect Answers - £4
- Life Comes From Life - £4

(+ P&P)

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"Your report of book distribution is very encouraging. Please go on increasing more and more. Yes, you should become the topmost temple for distributing my books. This is a very good proposal. That [book distribution] is the only way to please me. Distribute my books profusely. That is real preaching."
- Srila Prabhupada (Letter to: Bala Krsna 23 October, 1976)

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Kailasa cannot last a day without quoting the GBC, the ritviks are the bogus crypto Christian, posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem worshipers. He is Kirtanananda's best parrot.

KAILASA CHANDRA UPDATE

Kailasa people wanted my comments eliminated on your forum and they got what they wanted, not what I wanted at all, but since they wanted me dead, and thousands of children molested, by helping the GBC calling us scum bags liars all this time, that is a better deal for me. 

As we all know Kailasa joined the Kirtanananda group of people saying me and Sulochana are drunks and sahajiyas, and Sulochana said they are discrediting us to make us targets, and we were targets. So if you want to help the people who make Vaishnavas into targets for assassination -- when they complain about child abuse, so be it. Nothing new, most devotees went along with that process and condemned me and Sulochana as fringie cranks, to save the pedophile pooja program. And we are still not that popular with a lot of these compromisers even now.

We were hunted as a result, and thousands of children were molested as a result, because our critics like Kailasa collectively said I am scum liar, and they still say that. Kailasa is very proud that he chopped the legs off our protest of the mass child abuse by discrediting us, because he is with that agenda. People calling other people scum bag liars is not even allowed on any karmi forums, because the karmis have some idea of basic human etiquette, unlike your forum which allows all sorts of name calling. 

A person who is name calling is taken off a karmi forum for breaking the etiquette rules, but instead you removed me and kept them. So that means you are agreeing with them. 

Me and Sulochana are drunks and sahajiyas, that makes us targets. I am a liar complaining about child abuse, that is why I had to work with the karmis, they know that me helping children is not a scum bag lie, it is a crime against children that needs to be fixed. Unfortunately, most devotees helped the people calling me a liar, which is why over 2,000 kids were molested ... and at the same time, Kailasa is Kirtanananda's best sisya saying posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem worship is what we are doing. 

My story has been confirmed in dozens of karmi TV shows, because the karmis know I am not a liar, only these "senior devotee" people don't. Amazing really, as soon as I tell the karmis there is a child abuse problem, they are crying and want to help me, the Kailasa people say this is all scum bag lies, to support the pedos, that means the hamburger eating people are way more advanced.

There are many hundreds of devotees like yourself who go to India to perform kirtan and pilgrimages and all that, but as soon as they find out I am against the pedo process, they join Kailasa and Kirtanananda and say I am a scum bag liar offender. That is why Prabhupada says a person can chant for ten thousand years with no result, if he has a steel framed heart. Prabhupada said, first be a human being. 

There is no point in promoting Prabhupada's quotes if we are never going to follow them ... and we are going to take the side of the pedo lover's club calling me a liar for exposing their agenda. Of course Kirtanananda and his top sisya Kailasa also say the ritviks worship a posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem dead guy, that is another sign they have not understood one word of Prabhupada and they have no clue what is mortal and what is eternal, but the good news is, my hamburger eating karmi friends know Jesus is eternal and not post mortem because they are more advanced than this. 

First become a human being, and that means never discredit the people who are exposing mass child abuse, or one is not yet a basic level karmi human being. That is why Prabhupada says false devotees go down lower birth than the regular man ... and I see -- since they are often pedo defenders, no wonder that happens. They are already lower than the karmis in this life. 

Anyway good luck promoting your idea that the ritviks are the crypto Christian, posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem worshipers, because they are not parrots of Kailasa's pedo shiksha guru Kirtanananda. That makes you also Kirtanananda's best pedo messiah lover's club parrot, and that makes you a hand maiden of Kailasa discrediting and demonizing us people who are exposing child rapes and so on, to make us targets for assassination, all to save his pedophile brotherhood program, and protect and allow all sorts mass child abuse, and you too will get the collective karma accordingly. 

ys pd

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"Free will" is only fully experienced in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, and NEVER in the temporary material world where the individual jiva-souls are subject to repeated birth and death (karma, good and bad) under the hash laws of material nature.

Those who only want to be Krsna's mindless non-contributing puppets, who are only told what to do and how to think, are practising impersonalism according to 

Srila Prabhupada's teachings.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotee want to serve Krsna as a flower; they become flower there. If I want that "As a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his form, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life, there is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as blade of grass, a bench, a flag pole, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will in the spiritual world, then you are a stone, the stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

One's relationship with God (Krsna) in His Kingdom is never a one-sided master/slave mindless none contributing dictatorship Prabhupada is telling us here.

The individual jiva-souls in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever voluntarily expanding the expressions of their individuality, that is ever increasing with an unlimited variety of personal devotional offerings inspired by free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, there must be two, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The individual ability of self-expression (free-will) always exists in the spiritual world for the eternal individual jiva-souls, and allowed by Kṛṣṇa, for the purpose of permitting and encourage voluntarily contributions, where the individual jiva-souls (devotees) express themselves in a particular service they choose to do for Krsna.

Each individual jiva-soul eternally has their own independent unique personality, that allows them to forever voluntary expand their variety of devotional contributions to Krsna. Therefore, the individual jiva-souls always choose how they want to serve Krsna, or even reject Krsna if they want.
Without such freedom, then genuine voluntary loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna can never exist.

If Krsna denied the individual jiva-souls their freedom of expression (free-will), which is personal voluntary contributions with no strings attached, then their existence as a unique meaningful independent PERSON has no meaning at all, making them no better than dead useless stone or lifeless matter or mindless puppets always controlled by the strings of the impersonal puppeteer.
Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes).

The paradox here is the individual jiva-souls have their independence and free will too even though Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

In other words, each eternal individual jiva-soul has their own unique personality, character and spiritual bodily form always separate and independent from Krsna's Personality and Form.

Therefore, even though Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, and all living entities are fully dependent on Krsna, the paradox here is the individual jiva-souls have their unique freedom too.

Free will only has meaning when the individual jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-sided" voluntary affair loving exchanges.

In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible in a "two-way" exchange with both the individual jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa both contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows of devotional service.

Loving exchanges are only eternally possible on a two-way street. The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one.
Free will only has meaning when the individual jiva-souls can express themselves in an open "two-sided" loving affair without being manipulated, used or bullied in anyway.

Also being able to reject Krsna proves that "free will" does truly exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Philosophy Discussions with Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force." (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "God is also an individual person as you are individual person, I am individual person, but the difference between God and you and me is this, that you know your business, I know my business, but God knows everyone's business. That is the difference." (Lecture Melb, Australia April 3, 1972)
Having free will (freedom of expression) is the eternal constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul), and is the foundation for the individual jiva-soul's voluntary relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupāda – "Love means a relationship between two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Even though Krsna allows the "freedom of expression" the individual jiva-souls have, it is really for His amusement, to see what they do with their eternal freedom of expression.

Krsna at all times always has genuin eternal loving affection for His individual jiva-soul expansions (devotees) far more than they can ever have for Him.

Krsna allows free will to see what the individual jiva-souls choose to are given the freedom to voluntary make their own choices and decisions.

Krsna always remains the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes and all that is happening is also His divine plan.

Just like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays cannot exist separately from each other.
Similarly, Krsna cannot exist separately from His variety living entities-

1 - Visnu-tattvas Visnu / Narayana expansions.

2 - Visnu-sakti-tattva, Radharani and Her expansions who represents Kṛṣṇa's internal energy.

3 - Siva-tattva, Lord Siva and his expansions who is in a league of his own and chooses

4 - Jiva-tattva ( individual jiva-souls who are Krsna’s separated living entities that allows them to eternally have free will.

Each individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) is a one of a kind independent individual with their own unique personality different from Krsna's Personality, and from all other individual jiva-souls too.

Loving devotional service to Krsna is always based on a "two-way" voluntary exchange of personal cooperative feelings with no strings attached, manifesting as voluntary loving acts of devotion between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees, who go on too always contribute their own unique expressions (offerings) to Him as the real act of surrendering to Krsna's will, that does not deny the free will and personal offerings of His devotees (the individual eternal jiva-soul)

On the other hand, when actions expressed in a "one-way" domineering forceful dictatorial mood coming from Krsna, or any so called God or His representative, denies personal voluntary contributions (service), that is only possible in a "two-sided" exchange of feelings and cooperation with Kṛṣṇa and His devotees, only leaves those devotees no better off than dead mindless stone explained above by 

Srila Prabhupada.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, love means two, there must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, that independence has to be accepted, little independence, we can misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

All the personal unique contributions offered to Krsna in the spiritual world, are coming from an unlimited variety of voluntary services from His devotees (the eternal individual jiva-souls), who are forever expanding their intentional singular offerings to the Lord on the Vaikuntha planets serving Visnu, and on Goloka-Vrindavana serving Krsna.

This allows the eternal individual jiva-souls to always make their own voluntary offerings to Krsna without the impersonal "puppet on a string" manipulations or forced control (the real meaning of free will)

In other words, voluntary contributions and service from the individual jiva-souls (devotees), forever increase and expand their natural individual emotions and cooperation with Kṛṣṇa in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation (the real meaning of surrender).

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at any time, so there is always the chance of falling down by misuse of one's independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, Los Angeles 25 April, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "Those who are firmly fixed up in devotional service to Krsna are making proper use of their independence (free-will) and so they do not fall down. Regarding your second question, have the conditioned souls ever seen Krsna? Were they with the Lord before being conditioned by the desire to lord it over material nature? 

Yes, the conditioned souls are parts and parcels of the Lord and thus they were with Krsna before being conditioned. Just as the child must have seen his father because the father places the child in the womb of the mother, similarly each soul has seen Krsna or the Supreme Father. But at that time the conditioned souls are resting in the condition called susupti which is exactly deep sleep without dream, or anesthetized state, therefore they do not remember being with Krsna when they wake up in the material world and become engaged in material affairs. I hope this will satisfy your questions." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, Los Angeles 25 April 1970)

The individual jiva-souls always have a unique "thinking mind of their own" as part of their eternal constitutional make-up.

This allows personal creative unique offerings to Krsna or Visnu in the spiritual world, where there is full varigateness and unlimited Past Times.

Such "free will" is allowed because God (Krsna) has given the individual jīva-souls the power to think, the power to reason, to analyse and question everything, making them the individual independent persons they are eternally.

Free will allows the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, (and partly achieved in the material world, but only in the human species of life), the personal ability to make their own individual voluntary contributions to Krsna, or can choose to act independently and separately without Kṛṣṇa.

The individual jiva-souls in their full spiritual potential are not non-thinking, mindless, non-contributing loveless porns or puppets, who are only manipulated by the puppet master on how to think and act, therefore denied their independent individual self expression, and beautiful contributions. (Based on the excellent teachings of His Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.