Friday, April 28, 2023

Who Is Writing ISKCON's History? (PADA and JD) 04 28

[PADA: Thanks JD, yes there are a lot of people who do not like the writings of Henry Doktorski, or even PADA. Some of them are GBC people -- and some of them are -- for example -- the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur type guys. OK but someone has had to unravel what happened in post-1978 ISKCON, and first of all that was being done almost exclusively by the karmi media folks -- such as -- the writers of "Monkey On A Stick," CBS TV, Moundsville Intelligencer, New York Times, San Francisco Chronicle and etc. 

Most devotees simply have not bothered to write any version of ISKCON history, never mind the corrected version of the history, so they let others do it for them. Now some of them are complaining that the history is not being recorded accurately, OK fine --but mostly -- they did not record anything, anywhere at any time. Yep, so what did they expect? They think other people are going to write things -- the way these critics want it to be done. They are the self appointed arm chair advisors of everyone else, includes us, and karmi media folks?

Clearly ISKCON devotees as a group have been pretty much absent from the "history of ISKCON" recording and writing department. Sulochan and me started writing a few things in the 1980s, and thus we immediately stood out like sore thumbs because -- no one else was writing anything AT ALL substantial. AT ALL. And very few devotees supported our writings, and most of them opposed. 

That means -- most of them wanted the GBC's version of history to stand -- i.e. "Krishna wanted 11 deviants, and their entourage of clowns, assorted sex predators, dope heads, drunks, monkeys, porno swamis and / or worse -- killer pedophile clowns -- to be worshiped as His successors" -- and our version (ok this is not what Krishna wants) to fail and collapse.

Yep. Almost zero percent of the ISKCON devotees have been writing anything AT ALL about the post-1978 history. OK they wanted someone else to write it, and the karmi media, PADA, Henry and others obliged. In other words, if you do not write your own history, someone else might write it for you. 

Rather amazingly, many of the GBC people STILL have no idea what is their own history, or they would not have buried Kirtanananda in a samadhi and made Kirtanananda's main henchman, namely Radhanath swami, as their new darling messiah of ISKCON. 

Meanwhile the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur type guys just hijack and steal statements made by PADA and / or Henry's "Killing For Krishna" book -- and then they just put out our stuff on their sites, not giving us any credit. They are also trying to re-write history -- by writing us out of it.

They don't like us, but they get most of their valid materials by stealing from us. Notice that as soon as we mentioned "the 1977 poison whispers" "the hair sample Cadmium issue" etc. they immediately started to mention these items. They are simply stealing their stuff from us. Meanwhile they are not making their own actually independent investigative writings.

This begs the question, would I agree with everything the karmi medias and / or Henry Doktorski and / or anyone else's reporting says? Nope, but they are doing a better job of investigative reporting than -- most others. So if someone wanted to make an investigative reporting writing site, that is fine. But mostly, they aren't. At least now we can pin the Sulochan murder definitively on the New Vrndavan crew, because Henry has investigated the issue like no one else ever would. We now have many eye witness accounts that are crucial to understanding "what went down here."

Neither I can expect other writers, or the Dallas courts, or anyone else, to fully accept only my version, that is not realistic.

So the GBC ilk are ignoring us. The Sanat / Mukunda / HKC Jaipur are just selectively swiping pieces of other's works. And meanwhile hardly no one else bothers to say or do anything. Which means, they largely don't care how the ISKCON history is publicly perceived or written, at all. One GBC type guy just now said he does not want to say anything about any issue "either way" because he does not want to make enemies on either side. Silence means acceptance however.

They self evidently don't even care if ISKCON is seen as a religion that worships criminals and sexual predators as its messiahs, because otherwise they would take actions to correct that perception a long time ago. Worse, many other of my brothers tell me -- yeah, Krishna wanted us to worship these 11 clowns and their clown car act -- as His successors, because otherwise Krishna would have failed to make even one pure devotee. 

Yep, more than a few people have told me the leaders are pathological liars, narcissists and / or psychopaths, including victims, media folks, some law enforcement folks etc. In fact this is one of the questions I often get from law enforcement, media, scholars and many others on a regular basis -- "if any of these leaders actually believed in karma and God, how could they act so abominably and exploit and mistreat others so horribly." 


My answer? "They do not believe in karma, God or even common moral principles followed by the atheists, they are less than atheists. They do not believe in punishment in the afterlife -- because they do not believe there is any. They are more of less existential nihilists -- there is no afterlife, there is no purpose to existence, and thus all morals are meaningless. And often I get the response, "that nicely explains their lack of conscience." ys pd 

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3 comments:

  1. S D Dasi: Very strange. So many "Prabhupada lovers." But when the crap hits the fan, they exit stage right. "I don't wanna say anything to offend either side." There is no other or either side. There is right and there is wrong ... and false gurus are wrong.

    They wanted to compromise. Then the bad stories started coming out ... and they still did not say anything ... making it look like the Hare Krishnas APROVED of all the bad managing.

    History will show us who really loved Prabhupada and who did not. And it already is. And the parents who sent off their kids to these bogus gurus, or their Gaudiya Matha patrons, shame on you!

    You should have made your children the followers of Prabhupada and that would have saved them from leaving the whole program ... if not having nothing to do with Krishna. This is a system wide failure ... leaders and the congregations.

    No one wanted to write the history ... because they either believed the bogus gurus ... or they had no backbone to defend Srila Prabhupada and Krishna.

    Either way ... they failed in their duty. And now they have left their giant package of garbage on our doorstep to clean up for them. It is pathetic. At the same time ... better some of us know their history than none of us. Something is better than nothing ...

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  2. M Dasi: Very baffling to me as well. So many "dear to Srila Prabhupada" people ... all of a sudden switched loyalties and started to promote ... anyone other than Srila Prabhupada. And they selected a bunch of pervs as the "other gurus" to replace him.

    You'd need to worship another guru ... often times a perv ... as long as it is not Srila Prabhupada. Really that is called a cursed society. It would be like telling everyone they have to worship Sisupala and not Krishna. Krishna will have to eliminate that assembly ... and He is. Their temples are empty and running out of gas.

    And we are STILL to this very day "offenders" if we are not helping their really bad dream ... actually a nightmare on steroids. What happened to everyone? I know ... they wanted a seat in Sisupala's palace and they really did not care if he is a toxic rat ... because they wanted something other than ... the pure thing.

    And so they got what they wanted ... a seat at the house of the demons. They forgot who their guru was and they thought he was a simple material person who could easily be replaced by clever nit wits.

    Sridhar Maharaja told them to wear the uniform and the uniform will show you what to do, so he wanted to dress up dogs like the king, but as soon as someone tosses a bone, they bark and jump off the throne. Who could be so foolish as to worship dogs?

    People who wanted something other than the pure thing, and they thought they could cheat Krishna. They cannot. It is another version of Paradise Lost. And now we are not welcome in their kingdom ... and thanks to God for that. Being with them is contaminating.

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  3. JJ: Sure ... I would not want to write my history either ... and then have people wonder why I was part of a criminal guru gangster cult. Better not to write my history. Except, our history is already recorded, and is well known to Yamaraja.

    Henry's books are his honest personal perspective. He came to New Vrndavana because ... hundreds of original Prabhupada devotees were there ... telling him Kirtanananda is another Godman ... the next Holy Jesus. They even had a Jesus deity. They were all drinking the kool aid and they convinced him it was fine. He was mislead.

    Even Sulochan was there telling everyone it is fine here ... and there is no issue with Kirtanananda. Even he was drinking the kool aid for some while. We cannot condemn someone who was duped ... when they are later trying to remedy things. What good is that?

    Now Henry is trying to repair the damage the whole thing caused him and others. What else should he do now? He cannot fix the whole ISKCON train wreck ... but he can expose part of it ... and that is better than most of the original Prabhupada devotees will do. Ever.

    Why? Most of the original Prabhupada devotees do not write anything about these issues because ... it places them at the scene of all the crimes. If you don't have a good history, you are not going to broadcast that in writing. I see why.

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