PADA: I am not a military expert by any means. But I feel that if the USA had just sent 1 million military style rifles to Ukraine -- maybe 4 years ago -- Russia might not ever have invaded. A million man militia would have been extremely hard to take over.
Never mind, if we had sent them 5 -6 million rifles. OK 1 million guns are stolen every year in the USA, we could easily have found a lot of weapons over here to send to them over there -- if we had tried. But we wanted to be the nice guys!
And same basic thing with our Hare Krishna mission. Lots of ISKCON people wanted to be polished gentleman -- and do nothing when the devotees are being banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed. "We have to be nice guys prabhu. We cannot get upset or angry prabhu, it is not the behavior of a Vaishnava."
OK, never mind then! Lets have everyone suffer, including the children, and the whole society suffers when it goes bankrupted. At least you did not get upset when your father's house burnt to the ground, with his children inside the house. Bravo!
And we "America First" guys did not want to "poke the bear" of Russia, being a little afraid of their large intercontinental missiles and nuclear capabilities. Even now, there is some fear that we may have done just that already -- provoked the Russians into a corner.
Thus, they might start using their bigger scale missile weapons against some of our allied Western countries, or even the USA itself, as punishment for our supporting Ukraine. What will a cornered Russia do? There is no "easy to predict" answer. Some of the Russian leaders are predicting "melted asphalt" in the USA. That cannot be a good outcome! If you don't agree to surrender to us, you won't exist, because we have nukes. Ooops, but neither will we exist?
Or, the Russians might just blow up the entire Ukraine wholesale. Instead of making 1/3 of Ukraine a burnt out moonscape wasteland, they might want to make the whole place a total wasteland. A pile of rubble, dust, and mass graves in the woods -- so satellites won't see them burying their victims -- to try to provoke us. Hard to say what their endgame is at this stage.
Or even, do they know what their end game is? And this is just like ISKCON -- the leaders went to war against all their God brothers, and took over by force, but -- now what? They painted themselves into a corner, and so has Russia. There is no easy endgame now, all the alternate choices are painful and difficult. Some people told me to "ease the GBC into a face saving endgame." And what would that be anyway? And people are saying the same thing about Russia, lets give them a face saving end game. Right. But how?
Unfortunately, scorched earth seems like what the ISKCON leaders and Russian leaders wanted all along. Just burn down the whole ISKCON and / or Ukraine and eliminate all the citizens who do not comply. Of course, that is making Russia / ISKCON leaders / look like intolerable giant bullies. And whatever glory they might get from "a big victory" there has already been lost -- because the mass of world's people don't like the ultra-vicious / if not violent techniques used for their "glorious take over."
OH OH! Yep, almost like ISKCON. The GBC had the devotees banned, beaten, exiled, removed, exploited and sometimes sued, and even worse, and then they declared "we won ISKCON." You won what? Great. You usurped the property. You won Ukraine? But was it a glorious victory? Or was it thousands of dead bodies and millions of refugees?
Who thinks this is a glorious win? Sorry, the methods usurpers use to take over something will always be taken into consideration by the mass of public, and Russia and the GBC are using goonda methods -- not approved by the mass of people on planet earth. Also -- not approved by higher authorities on higher planets than earth.
It is back firing. They just keep raising the levels of opposition against Russia -- and / or against the GBC. And this is also the same type story of the Bhagavad Gita. The Kauravas "won" the bigger empire, but they won -- at the expense of exploiting many others. And so they had a reputation for being mean spirited bullies. And thus their cheating and bully boy techniques were eventually the cause of their collapse and failure. And both ISKCON and Russia are failing empires at the present time, for this exact same reason.
So now the Russians are concentrating on maximum death and destruction for the civilians, blowing up more food storage warehouse sites, grain silos, residential buildings, bridges, dams, electrical power sites, water supplies, markets, schools, even blowing up thousands of cows etc. -- so they can make people feel really comfortable under their dominion! See how safe you are under our protection!
Of course, forced surrender generally never works very well. And that is why Russian collaborators keep having their cars blown up, and ISKCON keeps having more and more "above ground and underground" resistance / opposition to their iron fisted rule. Forced rule is not always going to work, because it is human nature to want to cooperate willingly, and not be forced to cooperate. The forced rule type process generally produces a backlash and opposition, either open or covert.
Wow, the Russians want us to live out on the street with nothing -- no house, no food, no water, no electricity for heating in winter, and that is how they are impressing us? And ISKCON leaders mistreated devotees, and then they wondered why the devotees would not surrender to their authority? Ditto heads.
Obviously now, the Russians are bombing the electrical power plants hoping they can make many thousands and thousands of people die by starving, not having water, freezing to death in the harsh winters etc., that way Putin can kill thousands and thousands of more little children, babies and old people by starving and freezing them to death, without even having to waste bullets to shoot them directly.
And ISKCON devotees, especially elders at the end life stage, are having to beg for hospital care. They too were put out of their house and left to fend for themselves with nothing. No food, no water, no shelter, no nothing. Freeze them out, freeze them to death! Ditto heads!
The Russians really want to kill as many people possible, including babies, to make the people think, oh yea, we should lovingly embrace the people who want to kill us and our babies. OK how many times in history have the civilians wanted to embrace and hug the army that is killing its old people and babies, and blowing up their houses -- full of their families?
Yep, and that is why the ex-gurukulis around here avoid ISKCON, they do not want to see the faces of their leaders of the regime of their oppressors when they were children. Their oppressors won, ok fine, but won what? And the oppressed will always curse their oppressors regime, and try to take them down if possible -- and forever. In other words mistreating people generates enemies, for either ISKCON or Russia.
The Russians seem to have no idea -- history does not show anywhere -- that the people being slaughtered are then going to embrace the invaders doing the slaughtering. Anyway, if the little Ukraine villages had even a hundred well armed men, then it would not have been so easy for the Russian soldiers to walk into their houses and rob, rape and kill people.
Getting shot by defenders in return is a big deterrent. We didn't think of that did we? And if the parents of ISKCON had gone to the police and reported the child raping program, they could have ended that entire process early on, and had the ISKCON leaders charged with criminal child neglect, corrupting the morals of minors by forcing them to worship pedophiles, child abuse / cruelty etc. -- or worse crimes.
Of course, Americans like to have their mentally ill nut cases well armed over here, and we hear about them -- all too often. Arming regular ordinary Ukraine people who might be facing a violent invasion -- not a big priority.
Even on Russian TV some of the moderators are now asking, "Why would the Ukraine civilians embrace the Russian soldiers who say -- there is no right for Ukraine to exist in the first place, everyone there needs to be eliminated. The whole place needs to be wiped cleaned of the map, entire population needs to be taken off the planet."
Fine, sign me up!
Even their TV people are asking, "Why would anyone in Ukraine want to work under the same people -- who want them all dead -- and gone, and Ukraine no longer existing"? And in ISKCON, the Prabhupadanugas are asking the same type thing. Why should we surrender to the ISKCON leaders -- same folks who want to eliminate the worship of the acharya, and eliminate us in the process? And force us to worship their bogus pedophile acharyas -- instead of us worshiping the bona fide acharyas?
The result of oppression is often just the opposite, it is making the Ukraine people more determined to resist than ever -- to get these guys out of there. You guys are blowing up our train stations -- full of people, our kindergarten kid's schools, our bus stations, or our old grandma's house, and our food, power and water supplies. You gotta go! And more and more people are saying, hey ISKCON leaders, you got to go!
OK wait a minute! Pretty much similar things happened in ISKCON. Devotees were mercilessly banned, beaten, molested, sued and even assassinated -- all so the tyrants could rule without being impeded. Millions of dollars, and a number of properties and buildings, as well as most of the thousands and thousands of people formerly inside the buildings, simply vanished. Then, more people questioned the rulers who orchestrated all this. And the world opinion of Russia's rulers is also going into the tank, just as the world opinion of ISKCON's leaders has been going into the tank.
It looks like there are a lot of similar mentalities behind this "let us take over everything and exploit it" process. OK taking it over is one thing, but then, can you manage it? Maybe not. Maybe your "managing" will destroy the very cow you intended to milk. Notice that Russia has only conquered a teeny sliver of area, where cars keep blowing up and killing the Russian sympathizers. And ISKCON leaders only have a teeny following in the USA. They conquered, fine, but only conquered a teeny area, and all that -- with tremendous problems holding onto the usurped areas. And opposition growing more all the time.
We cannot force people to surrender. If that was possible, Krishna would have forced us to be His dedicated slaves a long time ago. We are sentient beings who have to consciously desire to surrender, that is the system established by God Almighty.
ISKCON leaders or Russian leaders can try to force people to surrender to their bogus authorities, but it will not work over the long haul, or maybe even not work in the short term. And meanwhile, the general public opinion of the forced surrender tyrants simply gets worse and worse every day. They are fighting a losing battle, before it even began, because they forgot -- forced surrender never looks good -- never works good -- and in the end -- it is marked as a failure in history. It won't last the test of time, or it might barely even get off the ground at the outset.
In sum, lots of death and destruction, ruined lives, many victims, and not much to show for it. And mostly, unhappy customers and bad world opinion. Ditto!
ys pd
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LOOK! We are taking over Ukraine!
Umm, maybe not.
Hari Hari: Same thing as ISKCON, no one should complain? Or else!
ReplyDelete*** A number of businessmen have turned up dead over the past few months as Russians grow increasingly dissatisfied with the drawn-out invasion in Ukraine. Ivan Pechorin, a managing director for aviation industry at the Corporation for the Development of the Far East and Arctic, on Sept. 12 died after reportedly falling from a speeding boat off the coast of Vladivostok. Plavil Maganov, chairman of Russian oil giant Lukoil, died after reportedly falling from the sixth-floor window of a Moscow hospital on Sept. 1. He and his company had urged Putin to end the invasion, calling it a "tragedy." Lukoil claimed Maganov "passed away after a severe illness."
Aleksandr Subbotin, a former top manager of Lukoil, was found dead in the basement of a Moscow residence in May after he allegedly visited a healer to cure him of hangover symptoms but instead suffered heart failure. At least eight other Russian oligarchs have died in strange circumstances over the past few months, according to Euro News. International investigators have suggested looking at the deaths as staged suicides or assassinations as retaliation for their opposition to the Ukraine invasion or links to corruption in Russian gas company Gazprom.
JKD: It is the same type thing. Some Kremlin men wearing suits decide it is a good idea to ... expand the Soviet state ... and send several hundreds of thousands of young people off to war ... knowing many of them will never return. They are fighting for their own interests and not the people.
ReplyDeleteI saw where one train full of Russian soldier's bodies was sitting and the bodies were rotting because they did not refrigerate them ... and they have sat there for weeks. None of these leaders knows or cares about the soldier victims of their "re-aligning geopolitic." The families are probably thinking their soldier children are coming home any day now ... not knowing their children's bodies are on the train ... or left on the field ... or who knows what. Or wives and children are waiting for the man of the family to return ... not knowing ... he is never coming home. It is very sad for all sides actually ... no one is winning this. There are just bodies piling up on both sides.
ISKCON leaders also have some big meetings ... they bring out their Apple laptops and decide they have kick out thousands and thousands of devotees. No concern for the people. Just some old and out of touch fools sitting in their ivory tower ... ordering people around but not caring for the people they order around. I also see the similar nature of these leaders.
Narcissistic psychopaths. But this is the nature of leaders in Kali Yuga. Most of us never thought Kali yuga would take over ISKCON ... but we forgot something ... ISKCON is the first place that Kali yuga would attack ...