Govinda Dasi / Baradraj / Ameyatma / Malini etc.

From: Govinda Dasi <prabhupadas.govindadasi@ gmail.com>

Date: Mon, May 30, 2022 at 2:41 PM

Subject: Fwd: Lying and saying this what Prabhupada's said

Dear Malini, Prabhuji,

Pamho, all glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Wow. My heartfelt obeisances to Ameyatma Prabhu. I have been receiving your mails that I know of. You may share this also.

Yes, I know this and much more. Too much more. Because I know several others who were there at that time, Baradraj was one of them, but others that were not in his direct association, all told me about the meetings in the rooms where they were carving up the assets, the temples, the properties of the movement, and planning to engineer it according to their design.

They hijacked Prabhupada’s Iskcon. There is no nice way to say it. And 90% of his disciples were driven out, or left Iskcon, within the first few years. But that is what they wanted. They wanted to be Guru and wanted only THEIR disciples around. They felt threatened by their godbrothers. Pradyumna’s famous letter, still available online, says it all. And of course he was “tarred-and-feathered” and sent out of Vrindaban without remorse.

Once, in the past 20 years, I was in Vrindaban. And an old Prabhupada disciple came up to me and talked. He was there also at the time of Prabhupada’s departure. He knew that Prabhupada sent a telegram to the west asking all the devotees to come. And Satsvarupa was sent to Mathura to send the telegram. This old disciple told me he met Satsvarupa at the road when he came back from Mathura on rickshaw, and asked him, “Did you send it?” And Satsvarupa said, no, I didn't send. Poor Satsvarupa. He couldnt stand up to the Big Boys, weak man that he was. Now just see his sad condition of insanity.

I still remember the lie that was told in LA. I was staying at the apt of Rukmini and Baradraj, and there was a note on the door that Prabhupada had agreed to stay 10 more years. I remember feeling happy about that. I could have flown to India, I had the money and the passport. Why did I wait? I often kick myself. 

But later, when I was in Vrindaban for the yearly date of his disappearance, and was crying so hard I could hardly stand up and had to slide down the wall in his room, thats when I knew Krishna did not want me to be there. I couldn't have handled it. I was too attached.

BUT if I HAD gone, and smelled what was going on, there would have been mass murder at my hands. I would have finished them all off without a tear. A few months later, when I was in Vrindaban, I went to the Bengali Ayurved doctor Vanamali Kaviraj. He began to say loudly to me, “What did they do to him?! What did they do? He was well when left here for the west. What did they do to him????!!!”  

[PADA: Several Kavirajas thought that Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned. The Vrndavan Kaviraja took a urine sample from Srila Prabhupada and he found traces of blood and bone marrow in the urine, which he said, is a symptom of heavy metal poisoning. "What did they do to him"? Indeed that is the question. 

A lot of people in 1997 told me -- the idea of promoting the poison complaint case is going to be viewed as "more rantings from the crazy guy." Ummm nope, more and more people believe this is indeed what happened.]

Being in grieving, I began to cry. The Kaviraj then said, “Never mind. Never mind.” He saw I did not know what had happened. Now I know. Not everything. But I know enough.

The rakshasas embedded themselves in our movement, and infiltrated the minds of weak persons like Rameshvar and others. The demons saw this movement is a threat. And they still see it. Now they are taking over the world. With the last eclipse, in Scorpio, the war will begin in July/August. The demons have also now gotten laws passed that will enable them to control the whole world by the WHO, thus enabling them to lockdown whole cities. 

[PADA: Ramesvara and Satsvarupa were not weak minded people. It took a lot of will power, a lot of coercing, and no small amount of secret meetings, endless phone calls, fax letters, and so on, to lie that Srila Prabhupada had appointed 11 gurus. Hansadutta said Satsvarupa was the main organizer of their secret meetings and he guided and coaxed them in how to argue with the Prabhupada devotees. "Satsvarupa was the ring leader brains of the meetings."] 

The cities will become like prisons, but the foolish leaders are not smart enough to get the devotees out of the cities and to the safety of farm communities. Prabhupada foresaw everything and told us what to do, but they have forgotten. Now time is short, because Prabhupada told us the whole western civilization will be finished “within fifty years.” There is very little time left to get prepared. Soon there will be starvation in the cities, riots, and dangerous conditions. Get out while you still can.

We don't know to what extent the coming war destruction will be. But these demons have stopped the street sankirtan, and that is the ONLY ANTIDOTE FOR THIS KALI AGE AT THIS TIME. The foolish leaders of Iskcon have sided with the demons, under the banner of “medical care” and are poisoning the devotees with horrific so called medicines. For money. Being paid by the likes of Pharma and friends. 

The only hope at this time is to KEEP THE KIRTANS GOING—even if you are alone, play Prabhupada singing Hare Krishna LOUDLY. The Hare Krishna mantra will keep circling the globe eternally, it will give strength to the devotees and will rain like ammunition on the demons. 

Devotees, please wake up. Our divine Master came to warn us of this time that is now arrived. Please get out of major cities, and chant Hare Krishna as much as possible. Even you dont have a farm, go to smaller towns or locations outside the cities. Because the cities will become prisons, like Shanghai. Very soon.

“Civilization will collapse very soon, all over the world. It will collapse. Either you may bring this ism or that ism, this civilization will collapse. People will become mad, being harassed in so many ways. When on is harassed in so many problems, he commits suicide. That that position is coming.”

“Yes, when the government cannot adjust, they start a war.”

NOV 29, 1975 Morning Walk in Delhi

Your servant and sister, Govindadasi acbsp

Malini, can you please send the ZYTO clinic attachment to me?

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Dear Mother Govinda- Hare Krsna. It doesn’t seems that you received my emails even when I respond to your emails. I am trying again here again, and wish for you to let me know if you received my email.

Recently I came across this excerpts of letter from Ameyatma prabhu. It is clear from his and thousand’s of other followers of Prabhupada that the young ambitious leaders of Prabhupada’s movement at the time of Prabhupada departure were lying and saying thing in the name of Prabhupada that were not Prabhupada’s words and in fact were the opposite of Prabhupada’s instruction/ desires/ wishes. How many more lie have they told is the question we need to ask ourselves.

When one tell a lie, it needs an other lie to cover the first one, then lying about Prabhupada’s words became a culture and a way of moving Srila Prabhupada’s movement without Prabhupada.

Please share the following if you want and also let me know what you think.

With much affection, your servant, Malini d.d.

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Excerpts from Ameyatma’s letter

I finally found out what the dark- horrible feelings were all about that prevented me from getting involved. Back in 77, just before SP's disappearance, we knew it was getting to the end, Bharadarj had left to be with SP. I finally decided I also had to go and see SP one last time. I was collecting money to go. Several big book distributors had bought tickets and went, and many in LA were talking of going. Then, all of a sudden Ramesvar showed up. He had been in Vrndaban,  and he left SP's side and came to LA.   

He came with a message. He told us, SP had sent him to tell us NOT TO GO TO INDIA. SP said he wanted us all to STAY in America. I cried that day. I wanted more than anything to go see SP one last time. I wanted to be with him. I cried.  I wanted to go, but, Ramesvar told us that SP asked us Not to go.   

It tore me up. But, i told myself, this is what SP wants, so, I have to accept, I have to stay. Then, a week or so after SP departed Bharadraj came back and for weeks he would tell us all that he experienced leading up to SP's departure. He told us about the Markadvaj medicine, so many things. But, one day he told us that he was with SP and SP asked that he wanted ALL of his disciples to come and be by his side. WHAT??? That isn't what Ramesvar told us. Bharadraj went on to say that some days later SP asked, Where are they? Why they aren't coming?    Bharadraj said SP was disappointed that all his disciples hadn't come to be with him when he departed. 

I was shocked. The next day after SB class outside the temple I confronted Ramesvar. I told him what Bharadraj told me...   and asked him if what Bharadraj said was true. Ramesvar looked around to be sure no one else could hear him,  then told me, 'Yes, what Bharadraj said is true, come to my room and I will explain". Ramesvar then told me, "I saved ISKCON",  and told me that it was his idea to come back and tell everyone NOT to come. He said that just before SP made that request that several of LA's big book distributors showed up in Vrndaban.    

They told him most of the Sankirtan devotees were holding back on collections saving to buy tickets, that so many in LA were talking of coming. Ramesvar thought if they all come the temple will no longer have any income. SP's health was fluctuating, he would get worse, then better. Ramesvar told me that he was thinking SP may go on living for months...   What would happen to the temples if all the book distributors came to India? In LA they would not have any income,   they properties would all go into foreclosure. There wouldn't be anything left by the time SP left us.    

Then, he heard that SP had told that he wanted everyone to come. Rather then Ramesvar doing what it took to try and carry out SP's last dying personal request, instead, he met with TK and a few others and Ramesvar suggested he come back to LA to stop everyone from leaving. He told me, if the devotees here found out that SP wanted everyone to come, the LA temple would have become deserted,  everyone would have left, and the temples would have gone into foreclosure.   

So, when he came back he purposefully LIED to us, telling us that SP had sent him and that SP instructed us NOT TO GO. Ramesvar told me this in a proud way,   that HE Saved Isckon. Saved ISKCON from what? Saved ISKCON from SP???     When he told me all this, I was totally stunned.  

I had such strong feelings,    I couldn't say a word. My emotions swelled inside.    HE LIED to me, on Prabhupad's name, he lied to me, and rather then he taking SP instruction and trying to fulfill it, rather than he doing whatever he could to see SP last personal dying request be fulfilled, he lied to see that SP's last personal request was denied him.  

I was so full of emotions, I didn't know what to do. Ramesvar was our GBC, he was now our ultimate authority. Yet, he just lied to us in SP's name. I was bewildered what to do. I couldn't just write a letter to SP and tell him what happened and ask him what to do. But, this thing stuck in my chest like a rock.    Then,  after the GBC meetings in Mayapur, 78, we were told that Ramesvar was one of the new 11 Acharyas. I could not accept it. No way, SP could not have done this. How was it that SP named this man to become the next acharya in our disciplic line? This offender who had thwarted SP's last personal request and just lied to his own god brothers in Prabhupad's name? But, I was left with a choice.  Either go along and accept what the GBC was telling us, or???? What? Leave?  

Leave ISKCON? Leave SP's mission? I could not do that either. But, how to stay and continue to accept that such offenders and liars are now worshipable gurus,  and our leaders? And, how to reconcile that SP actually allowed this? I just had to block it out of my mind. I had to block in out that this man lied to us, I just had to block out the whole guru issue from my mind, or I could not remain in the current ISKCON. 

Every time the issue surfaced in my mind, I had the choice to either take to the path of calling a spade a spade and speaking out against the gbc, or I had to block the whole thing out, and just not allow myself to think about it. Everyone who spoke up against the GBC were being kicked out. So, the only way for me to stay and keep doing my service was to block everything out. And that is why it was so hard for me to confront this issue, even decades later.   

It took years to finally face the issue again.  

[PADA: Yep, that is what a devotee told me after he tried to commit suicide. "Most of the problems in ISKCON are because the devotees are in denial. They are just going along with the program knowing it is fully bogus, just to keep their place in the GBC's false society. That is one reason I tried to kill myself, there is no support for people like me who wake up and see all the delusions going on."]