A supplication by former ISKCON GBC member, Naveen Krishna Das.
Dear Prabhus.
Please accept my humble bows. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I suggest that all followers of Srila Prabhupada examine the evidence of alleged malicious poisoning of Srila Prahupada with a skeptical but attentive mind, especially the words of His Divine Grace on this subject on Nov 8 from 1977 and later. There are at least 13 times that Srila Prabhupada and his assistants have discussed this matter -- which would be a case of criminal poisoning.
A small translation from Hindi and Bengali is needed, but it has been done during many investigations in the past.
The forensic work of recognized experts and professionals is additional material for careful study. Whispers, as well as hair samples showing arsenic and cadmium must be carefully studied and verified by all followers of His Divine Grace.
There is a lot of philosophy to support something like this happening, aiming to glorify Srila Prabhupada and be a catalyst for her mission to flourish like never before. All other topics like book changes, initiation system (ritvik, official acaryas, new gurus etc. ) are merely a cause of distraction from this key issue and should not be a factor in the study of this issue.
[PADA: All the other negative issues are rooted in this issue. If they would poison Srila Prabhupada, then why would they not also poison his books, his devotees, his children, his society etc. by mistreating them as well?]
There is also no need to discuss whether Srila Prabhupada succumbed to the poison OR was not affected by it and left because he and Krishna decided to. Remember he said in late 1977 that Krishna had told Srila Prabhupada that it was up to him when he wanted to leave. You may see this as a transcendental pastime of His Divine Grace with many purposes served..
We just need to examine with a cold, clear head whether the poison was maliciously administered; then, if the answer is yes, a discussion about cause and opportunity can take place. If there's no evidence then case closed.
But use your own intelligence and don't allow others to induce or mislead you into this very serious matter. Once again, on November 8, 1977 and later there were at least 13 times that this matter was discussed by Srila Prabhupada and her assistants in Vrindavana as a matter of intentional criminal poisoning. Please study and understand for yourself using your own intelligence.
Read BBT conversation book number 36 for these dates, listen to the audio you can get from the BI files, and see where it takes you. Read forensic reports from authorities and experts. The GBC won't support a study of this themselves. I was a member of the GBC corps when this issue came up in 1997.
I helped Balavanta Prabhu in the initial research and I know this matter very well. I resigned from the GBC body in 2000 because the issue was essentially covered up by influential GBC members and the rest of the GBC was misinformed to handle it properly. In the mood of service to Vaishnava community and with good intentions for all.
Naveen Krishna Das
Started disciple of Srila Prabhupada since 1975
He served as Temple President, GBC North America Member, Iskcon Global GBC Member, Founding Trustee of Iskcon Foundation and Chairman, Global Minister of Administration and Finance of GBC Iskcon. I quit GBC in the year 2000 because of the deceptive cover-up of this issue that I refused to support.
I have kept my sadhana practices and my vows rigidly since 1974 till today, if that matters to you.
[PADA: Many devotees, even many so-called ritviks, were not happy when we released the poison tapes in 1997. Sorry, it is what it is. The history of the post-1977 movement afterwards -- sort of confirms the root of all these troubles. People even tell me that, "I would have doubted the poison issue except, what happened after is best explained by having poison at the root. In fact, the poison issue explains just about everything else that ensued subsequently."
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Mahesh Raja: Hare Krsna!
Naveen Krsna das : "....initiation system (ritvik, official acaryas, new gurus etc. ) are merely a cause of distraction from this key issue and should not be a factor in the study of this issue"
Mahesh: Ritvik a distraction???? What a load of nonsense! No motive for poisoning???????? Anyone with even a slight common-sense can tell you poison case MEANS there IS A MOTIVE.
Getting rid of Srila Prabhupada's Ritvik July 9th 1977 Order was THE poison MOTIVE which allowed bogus gurus to take-over steal Srila Prabhupada disciples, properties, money and assets and therefore change / manipulate his books as a COVER-UP to HIDE that they were NEVER authorized as Initiating gurus--- in the first place.
[PADA: Right, what is the motive for poisoning Srila Prabhupada? It is so -- they could then: exile, remove, ban, beat, molest, sue, and kill the people in his society; change his books; bankrupt his mission; stop his harinama samkirtana program; ruin his gurukulas; ruin his varnasrama idea; ruin the name of his mission -- etc. -- which is what they did subsequently. Everything is connected.
They poisoned the founder, so that they could then poison his entire mission. We cannot subtract one issue from the other. Agreed. Every crime has a motive, and that is the motive, so they could smash and grab and plunder his society, just like burglars kill the shop owner so they can then ransack and loot his shop.]
CW: Agree. All the issues are inter-connected. The criminals don't get rid of the shop keeper ... just to leave all the valuables in the shop. They also may want to get rid of the others in the shop ... the eye witnesses ... which is ... everyone else in the shop.
ReplyDeleteThey are not going to get rid of the shop keeper ... and then make sure everyone else is alive and well in the shop. They are going to get rid of the shop keeper ... and then perhaps get rid of the family of the shop keeper ... the other shoppers ... or anyone else ... when they try to oppose the criminals and stop the theft and help the shop keeper.
The idea that all of these issues are ... not ... connected is simply ... false. Why were so many devotees banned, removed, beat up, or worse and so many kids were molested? Same people in the poison cabal are part of the rest of all these crimes.
To say there is only one important crime makes an attempt to minimize ... all the other COUNTLESS crimes ... like the child molesting. All of the COUNTLESS crimes sprung up from the same group. The poisoning is for sure the worst of their COUNTLESS crimes ... but we should not minimize all the other crimes either. There was a criminal conspiracy to hi-jack ISKCON.
At the start ... is the cabal making the poisoning of the founder ... but that is only the start. Everything that happens after that is also important ... not as important ... but certainly not to be cast off or made insignificant. So many devotees want to emphasize this crime ... or that crime ... but all of these crimes originate from the same corrupt group. The managers.
We need to see all of the crimes as one "racketeering" operation. Every victim needs to be counted. I would have to say Srila Prabhupada is the most important and main victim ... but everyone who did not get a ritviks initiation is another victim ... etc. The list of victims is COUNTLESS. We cannot separate these victims from the original victim either ... that distorts the full picture of what went down here. PADA is doing the right thing, it is everything ... the book changes, molesting, poisoning, and countless other crimes need to be ALL accounted for, because ALL of the branches are connected to the same root.
M Dasi: I think many devotees do not understand how everything else was poisoned ... along with Prabhupada. Almost all the people who got "initiated" by Bhagavan, Bhavananda, Harikesh, Jayapataka, Jayatirtha, Kirtanananda, Prithu, Prabhavishnu, Ramesvara, Satsvarupa and others ... are gone. Missing in action.
ReplyDeleteThey are missing soldiers because they were chopped down by these rogues. Our temples are empty everywhere. The farms are ghost towns. Because they poisoned these temples ... by poisoning the people inside with bogus philosophy.
Lets not mention the children ... how mostly they were poisoned to reject the religion. Then lets not mention the public is disgusted with the religion so they will never join ... or even some near. Poison pill.
Look at the web cam videos of most Western temple for the AM program. Empty rooms with a few people. Look at the class for the Los Angeles temple ... maybe 20 people, when it used to be packed with people. Standing room only. Poisoned the place.
They poisoned the whole thing ... and most devotees are in denial about that. So we should discuss Srila Prabhupada's poison ... but not how they poison everything else? What good does that do?
It creates the false idea that the other things are all right ... when they are not.
Now they are poisoning yet another wave of people by telling them Lokanath is an acharya ... eventually they will burn those people out and etc. They are still poisoning people even now. I agree ... we cannot separate one bottle of poison from the other ... all of them are causing poisonous effect.
RM Dasi: Those people were demons who rushed in and took advantage. They should never have been put in charge of children. But the desire to destroy God, first has to be, to destroy His children. It is still going on in the world today in all societies, churches, temples, mosques, etc.
ReplyDeleteHowever parents should have always known what was going on with their children. And they should have stepped in and called the authorities. The kids were set up to be severely abused and away from their parents.
At least some of you were able to recognise it was wrong to abuse children. That was the Lord’s mercy. In many ways Srila Prabhupada did not have the power and was weakened to stop such abuse. He was being poisoned.
You are right. Srila Prabhupada at all cost was trying to build a house where the whole world could live at all costs, the pious, and the sincere devotee. But unfortunately the demons came in too.. and they tried to destroy the works of Srila Prabhupada ... first by destroying him ... then attacking the people and temples connected to him.