Jadurani / Syamarani "Debauchees Are God's Successors"

Narayan Maharaja with Tamal Krishna swami

NM: the "rasika advisor" to Tamal's 

illicit sex guru parampara

Jadurani aka Syamarani

Jadurani Dasi (Syamarani dasi): We sing nikunja-yuno rati-keli-siddhyai to the spiritual master. ["Sri Gurudeva is always present with the sakhis, planning the arrangements for the perfection of yugala-kisora's amorous pastimes (rati-keli) within the kunjas of Vrndavana. Because he is so expert in making these tasteful arrangements for Their pleasure, he is very dear to Sri Radha and Krsna. I offer prayers unto the lotus feet of Sri Gurudeva." (Sri Gurvastakam, Verse 6)]

If the spiritual master is not siddha (perfect in self-realization), but he is sadhaka (a devotional practitioner aspiring for pure devotion), is there any benefit in singing that song?

Srila Gurudeva: So much benefit. Baladeva will take all these things.

[PADA: Wait a minute? Narayan Maharaja has been helping the ISKCON GBC's main henchman Tamal in promoting the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara. How are these deviant people sadhakas (bona fide neophytes)? Meanwhile, sadhakas cannot absorb sins as diksha gurus in any case. How is "Baladeva" taking all of this as bona fide?  

Why would we connect God (Lord Balarama) to the GBC's and NM's illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs project? Worse, NM's illicit sex gurus are being sung "nikunya yuno" songs -- that they are the intimate servants of God. 

They are often debauchees, therefore, lets sing songs praising them as "rasika devotees"? No one noticed that is is a misuse of these titles, nomenclatures, songs etc.? Srila Prabhupada says that the deviated sahajiyas blend these divine titles and divine songs with debauchees and therefore -- they are gliding to hell. How is this connected to God aka Lord Balarama?]   

Syamarani dasi: Even if the disciple thinks that the words of the song are going directly to his sadhaka guru, still, Baladeva is taking it?

Srila Gurudeva (Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayan Maharaj): Krsna and Baladeva are the root-guru. As akhanda-guru (complete guru), They will take the worship. So, no harm.

[PADA: NOTICE! There is no explanation for how the worship of Narayan Maharaja's debauchee's GBC guru program is being accepted by Lord Balarama. And worship of a violent homosexual pedophile guru program, that is banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating Vaishnavas "causes no harm"? What about all the victims? What!

Narayan Maharaja clan promoted that our worship of the pure devotee is the bogus "ritvik" idea, and we need to instead promote the worship of the GBC gurus -- like Tamal Krishna and his homosexual and pedophile pals as "God's successors." 

And then NM says this is fine because Lord Balarama "takes the worship" -- and God thus accepts the worship -- of his and Tamal's homosexual and pedophile "God's successors" regime. Why would anyone say that God accepts the worship of their program's homosexuals, pedophiles, criminals and other assorted  deviants -- being worshiped as God's guru successors?]    

NM: Therefore Nitai Bhakti and Nitai Nistha is very important for all sections and strata of Devotees. One should single pointedly think one's guru as being connected with Baladev Prabhu, Nityanand Prabhu, then definitely all prayers will get fructified. Because all are connected to Prime source.

[PADA: Homosexual pedophile pooja is "connected to the prime source"? Where does Jadurani get this from? Where does Srila Prabhupada say that worship of Tamal and NM's homosexual pedophiles as acharyas project "connects one to the prime source"?]

 

Another Discourse regarding guru Tattva, by srila Narayan Mahārāj, regrading the intense faith in guru parampara and especially "akhand guru tattva" (Nityananda Baladev).

Jagatarini dasi: A disciple cannot really see on what level his guru is situated. You have said on other occasions that he has not got the qualification to judge.

Srila Gurudeva: Why are you bothering about these things? You have connection with a real guru, so what problems are with you?

[PADA: OK so we cannot worship an actual pure devotee, because that is the ritvik deviation, rather we need to worship Tamal's and Narayana Maharaja's illicit sex with men, women and children guru's program, and that -- "connects us with the real guru"? That makes no sense, unless we are trying to get people to worship illicit sex with men, women and children and fool them into thinking it is bona fide. 

Jadurani never explains why her NM program promoted Tamal and NM's pedophiles and deviants as messiahs project to our little children. And worse, she claims that by such worship they will be connected to God. How can anyone "connect to God" by NM's worship of debauchees and pedophiles project? She never explains? Little children need to worship pedophiles -- to connect them to God? Where do they find any of this in the teachings of Lord Krishna?]

Syamarani dasi: None. But we are surrounded by people in ISKCON who have these problems and are asking these questions. (Whether their guru is uttama, madhyam or kanistha).

Srila Gurudeva: They should work out their problems. Why are you wasting your time with this? I am also travelling in so many places, and I am not bothered. I believe in akhanda-guru-tattva – purna-guru-tattva (the full, complete, undivided principle of guru).

[PADA: Except NM's worship of illicit sex project is neither kanistha *lowest level of bhakti* or even any level of bhakti. NM's worship of peodphiles as gurus project is not even done by the mundane mleccha people. Even mlecchas worship Jesus, because they know we have to worship a bona fide pure person and not NM's illicit sex debauchees. Oh I forgot, worship of Srila Prabhupada is the bogus Christian idea. Yes, we need to worship deviants instead. Who knew!] 

MAKANDYA RISHI DAS

Syamarani dasi: Nowadays, many of the devotees coming into ISKCON and taking diksa from our God-brothers are understanding that their gurus are not on Srila Prahbupada's level of uttama, but that they are on some level of madhyama. Is it okay for them to think that their guru is on some level of madhyama?

[PADA: Illicit sex with men, women and children is "Madhyama" (free from anarthas)? How can we say debauchees are Madhyama (mid-level advanced and free from material desires)? NM says he knew that Bhavananda was engaged in homosex, how can we blend homosexual activities with Madhyama devotees?]

Srila Gurudeva: They should think, "My Gurudeva is really a Vaisnava, and by surrendering to him, we can attain the service of Radha and Krsna." If they do not regard their guru in this way, they will not be able to obey their holy master, and gradually they will go down. If they think, "My guru is really a Vaisnava, bhagavat-svarupa (a manifestation of the Supreme Lord), they will gradually go up. Then, when their heart becomes so sincere, Krsna will arrange the right person as guru.

[PADA: Except, when Krishna arranges that people could worship a pure devotee like Srila Prabhupada, then NM says that is the bogus ritvik idea. He says we need to worship NM's and Tamal's homosexual pedophile guru lineage if we want to attain Krishna. So as soon as Krishna arranges for people to worship a pure devotee, these people want that stopped, and they want us to worship their pedophile messiahs's project. Then they make pretend they are alarmed that children are being molested left, right and center.]

Jagatarini dasi: Perhaps the disciples' madhyama guru is ahead of them, and if he is advancing and advancing, then he will be able to guide them to some proper course?

[PADA: Amazing, they keep saying their illicit sex with men, women and children guru program is madhyama, when they are not even reaching mleccha level. Sulochana dasa said -- that a dog is not banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating devotees. Therefore folks like Narayan Maharaja are not advanced enough to worship a dog. He promotes worship of deviants who harm and even kill the Vaishnavas.]

Srila Gurudeva: Guru is akhanda-tattva. If a guru says, "Chant harinama," this idea is not of that gurudeva. It is of Srila Prabhupada Bhaktivedanta Swami. And actually, this idea came from his guru, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, and actually this idea came from his guru. At last, the origin is Krsna, and from Krsna comes Baladeva Prabhu.

Krsna is akhanda-guru; Baladeva akhanda-guru. We should obey our spiritual master and think that he is obeying Krsna and Baladeva, the root gurus. We should think that, "In this way, I am obeying Baladeva Prabhu." Guru is a manifestation of Baladeva Prabhu.

[PADA: No! Tamal's and his cheer leader NM's illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara is NOT a manifestation of God. Pedophile gurus, are a manifestation of God? Where do they get this from, Satan's Bible?] 

If we see that our guru is different from Baladeva Prabhu, Rupa Gosvami, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, Srila Bhaktivedanta Svami Maharaja, then we should do namaskara (offer respects) to him, and have no further relation with him – if there is a difference. And if there is no difference, we should treat him as a manifestation of Baladeva Prabhu.

[PADA: OK well those of us who see that there is a difference between God and Tamal's and NM's homosexual pedophile guru lineage are considered by some NM folks as "poison ritviks." And by calling us poison we are also getting banned, beaten, sued and assassinated. Anyway, if they can explain how the Tamal's and NM's homosexual pedophile guru program is connected to Baladeva, they should do so. We have asked them to do that for ages now. ys pd] 

This is how we

connect with God?

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