Dear PADA: You know prabhu .... about Krishnakant and the IRM ..... I do really believe that in fact, he is completely together with ISKCON big leaders. Their so-called non-stop war is just a smokescreen for fools in order to divide people and to divert everyone's attention from the essentials. They both work for the same cause.
I believe that he is actually an agent of the Rothschilds (he was before in high financial society and furthermore in England - the Rothschild's favorite fiefdom - just a coïncidence I suppose?) or whoever, he is anyway a Kali's agent sent to try to take under his control the ritvik movement in order to destroy it.
The demons saw and understood the danger of the real ritvik movement and therefore decided to create their own so-called ritvik movement. And therefore to destroy Krsna consciousness both from inside (ISKCON) and outside. That's the real reason KK tried to encourage you to give up everything in the very beginning (to go and rest on the beach in the Caribbean and drink a fresh soda, I will do everything now and henceforward... ). He wanted to take over the reform, and remove you from having anymore say in these matters.
And that's why he is always against anything which could really disturb ISKCON's leaders (loss of buildings for instance -- or lost of money) or could really put them in danger (poison issue or gurukulis = jail). Notice that about those things, he is systematically against taking any concrete action. He is only concerned about his own rhetoric which actually does not disturb those who want to destroy Krsna consciousness. For them it is only another aspect of the same destruction.
[PADA: Yes, there is no shortage of false ISKCON reforms going on. We have (A) Srila Prabhupada' original instructions and then (B) various ad hoc add ons, of all sorts and varieties. Basically, even going back hundreds of years -- the history is -- many deviated outcroppings appear in Vaishnavism due to personal motivations being added to Krishna's religion. So everyone came to put together the puzzle of how to serve Krishna, with a piece that did not connect to the other group's pieces. So the process was scattered and disintegrated.
There are centuries of histories of different sahajiyas, false acharyas, nihilism out of frustration, synthesis with mayavadas, false avatars -- ad infinitum -- because conditioned soul devotees will often add their own materially motivated ideas into Krishna consciousness. Then naturally their idea will not fit in with the other group's ideas. For example, we have the "changed books" clique. And they will never fit in and be able to work together with the people who demand "unchanged books," and so forth.
Thus, we have had in ISKCON all sorts of spin offs: Sridhara Maharaja folks; Narayan Maharaja folks; Gaura Govinda Maharaja folks; Bhakti Vikas swami folks; Hrdayananda's Krishna West folks; Jayatirtha's "peace and love" (and illicit sex and drugs) movement; Kirtanananda's West Virginia cult compound -- and all sorts of other various people involved with the GBC and / or Gaudiya Matha.
Narayan Maharaja said he is the real ISKCON. Jayatirtha said his "peace Krishnas" are the real ISKCON. Kirtanananda's criminal regime said they are the real ISKCON. Meanwhile, the real ISKCON is being dismantled into many schism pieces.
And all of them think they are the leaders of "the real reform." And each sector is sort of carving out their own little unique group, using mostly ex-ISKCON refugees as the main basis for their splinter group. Again, the result is -- ISKCON is splintered into hundreds of fractured pieces.
Unfortunately, most of these people have had their own false guru problems, or they supported false guru programs. And for the most part, these "reforms" are against our idea of establishing Srila Prabhupada as the acharya.
The GBC itself helped make the 1986 "Guru Reform" -- which they were in charge of. Controlled opposition. They "voted in" a whole new wave of gurus, but it did not take long before the second wave started crashing on the beach and having the same scandal problems as they already had with the first wave. A false reform.
Meanwhile, various so-called independent reform programs, even false ritvik reform programs, have been evolving.
Rocana was a member of the GBC's "50 man guru reform committee." And he still says that the idea of having the GBC select (vote?) gurus is not the problem. The problem is -- lack of enforcement of rules for the gurus. OK, so the guru is under the control of a committee? He is recycling the GBC's idea. We need tighter monitoring and controls of our wayward gurus.
Yet! Srila Prabhupada never said the acharyas would be managed by conditioned souls on a committee? And how will anyone -- enforce -- the rules for the guru? And who concocted all these rules for managing the guru? Its a false reform.
Its amazing that Rocana openly admits that the GBC is defective -- because it contains conditioned souls. And yet he wants a defective GBC program to select, manage, chastise, censure, and fix and repair the acharyas. Worse, Rocana says that worship of the actual acharya is the posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem deviation, so --we have to worship conditioned souls instead of bona fide acharyas? How will that work? It doesn't. Hence he really has no organized program.
Kailash Chandra Das: Ditto what Rocana says. Another loner with no organized process.
Gaura Govinda Maharaja was also claiming to be some sort of reformer. At the same time in 1993 he stood up at the GBC meeting and said we need to keep Tamal. And GGM was "voted in as guru" in 1986 -- when the GBC reinstated Bhavananda, who was evidently having illicit sex at the time.
Yet many people think GGM is some sort of independent leader of "the opposition." How can a person "voted into the GBC guru system" lead the opposition? Did we forget to mention he agreed with the bogus Gaudiya Matha idea that we do not originate with Krishna? GGM says sabda brahman does not descend from books and tapes, and then his followers started a books and tapes ministry. What?
Many of his followers drifted off to Narayan Maharaja after GGM departed. And they drifted off to who knows where after Narayan Maharaja departed. His program has diffused into the wind because -- he said we need to worship him --because he is "the living lips" person. And thus when he is no longer the living person, "poof." Like magic. His program vanishes into the sunset. Of course he really has had a hard time explaining to Yamaraja why he was "voted in" to an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara.
Bhakti Charu Swami. Another self-styled reformer. He had been donating money to the Ananta Vasudeva Gaudiya Matha. And Ananta Vasudeva was a bi-sexual deviant posing as an acharya. And BCS was hanging out with BP Puri and other Gaudiya Matha ilk.
Meanwhile he encouraged neophytes like Jayapataka to take karma, never mind taking karma causes neophytes to get sick, fall down, and maybe die. Anyway, there are many GBC ilk folks who claim they are separate from the others, because they are the real reformers. Yet they tend to agree with most of the pillar GBC deviant ideas, and their documents etc.
Krishna Kanta Desai and the IRM. Very oddly, he said to me that he had made an arrangement in meetings with the GBC gurus -- for me to go take a long vacation in the Caribbean. The condition is, no more writing the PADA news, no more attacks on the GBC process. Just me -- sitting on the beach -- chilling out.
Yes how lovely that would have been!
Apparently! I'd be sitting on the beach, drinking rum and coke, while watching the Caribbean ladies swimming in their bikinis. OK maybe that might last for a few days, before they hired some guy to whack my head off with a machete. Heh heh heh!
The Caribbean, with all due respect, is NOT a safe location for a dissenter like me. Of course they could get me anywhere, but as Brahmananda said, if they take me out in the USA the FBI will shut their whole operation down. So if I am in some unknown place where I don't know anyone, then my disappearance would go unnoticed? Or what? Very naive Mr. Krishna Kanta! OK he wanted to silence the dissent over the root problem issues, like changed books, child molesting, and poisoning. Controlled opposition.
And did I forget to mention, I'd have to drop the poison issue, child molesting issue, and book changes lawsuit issue. So this was evidently a big compromise, and the fact Krishna Kanta was making all these arrangements with the GBC's gurus means -- he was hanging out with them. And self evidently he is compromised with them.
And Krishna Kanta's pals like Kamsahanta told me he was going to make the GBC into ritviks "within the next six months." Yep, we are going to replace the self styled acharya hats that Al Capone, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Rasputin and Jack the Ripper are wearing, and give them a new hat, the newly minted ritviks hats, and then -- all will be fine! OK maybe not!
In any case, this was another hallucination of false reform, there is no way the GBC is going to negotiate seriously with these guys. Meanwhile, people complain that guys like Krishna Kanta and Kamsahanta are essentially hiding out and not really making tangible functioning programs, just like Rocana, Kailash et al. The only good news is that Krishna Kanta now recycles old PADA news items we wrote about ten years ago, and he now includes them in his magazine.
The Hitler-Anugas. Then we had some so-called Illuminati reformer folks. They have been saying the devotees needed to be engaged in taking down the "New World Order" "The Zionist banking system" "The serpent demons from the Draco Constellation" -- who are really running the world. Really?
Sulochana used to laugh at these folks, he said "these wet noodles cannot even fix a few poofs sitting in big seats in their Church, and they are going to take down the world's bankers?" Yep, its a diversion, a smoke screen, a false flag. Its a way to stop people from addressing the real problems in ISKCON and fight a phantom issue.
Sulochana said -- they are fighting a phantom monster as a smoke screen to keep the bad guys of ISKCON in power. Their plan is to have the devotees being engaged in fighting the world's bankers and leaders, so we cannot even fight the leaders of our own religion. This program will conquer neither the mundane or ISKCON leaders, its not going to fix anything ever. OK its a way of diverting people away from attacking the real issues in ISKCON.
Of course people in this group like Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur guys were also bitterly opposing our idea of stopping children from being in the GBC program's clutches. In fact some victims told me, no one wanted our abuse and victimization -- and increased suicides problem -- to be unresolved more than these folks. In sum, they wanted us to be abused and then die, even more than the GBC's folks did.
Notice that now they are all of a sudden hijacking PADA's cause celebre of opposing child abuse:
Mukunda UK: WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT.
This 9 year old little girl speaks about her personal experience with the ritual abuse and torture of children, child sacrifices, eating babies and drinking their blood. 800,000 children go missing every year in the US and thousands forced into the sex trafficking world, yet you hardly hear anyone speaking up about it.
Skip to 9 minutes in if you have a strong stomach.
#PizzaGate #PedoGate #ChildTrafficking #SexSlaves #Share #ProtestThis
So lets get this straight? We should KEEP and VOCIFEROUSLY DEFEND the molesting regime folks going on in ISKCON -- where children have been subjected to starving, beating and molesting. Mukunda's plan is -- that is a nice program that we do NOT want stopped.
These guys wanted to preserve their child abuse program where ISKCON children had been hugged by pedophiles, and treated in ways we would rather not discuss herein. But all of a sudden, these guys are the self-advertised champions of child welfare?
Meanwhile they said no one should listen to PADA, and PADA has to be removed from the internet, because PADA preaches that people need to worship Srila Prabhupada. They wanted people to instead listen to GBC groupies like Bhakta das and read Hari Sauri's stuff. OK we need to listen to the supporters of the Radhanath / molester messiah program. We have to promote the pedophile guru's process cheer leaders. And that is a reform?
Its amazing how attached some devotees are to the child buggery messiahs program, so much so, they think its a reform? Did I forget to mention, most devotees write to complain that their linking Hitler to Krishna is -- giving Krishna a bad name?
The Jayananda Thakur-ites. Recently, some so-called ritviks have been saying we need to make Jayanada the ritvik acharya. OK this is another puzzle piece that will never fit into what the rest of the devotee are doing. Jayananda das, nice guy and my personal friend. Is there an order for him to be worshiped as the current ritvik acharya of ISKCON. Well nope.
Therefore what seems to be working best is the PADA plan. All we have to really do is be patient, promote Srila Prabhupada as the acharya as best we can, and we will get people on board automatically as they eventually realize our idea is the right one by the process of elimination. Which is happening more every day.
They will eventually see that these other reforms are false, often because these reforms are not even growing in the first place. Or worse, the various reformers are being discredited in different ways.
So the idea that we need to worship Srila Prabhupada as the acharya, and we need to address criminal behaviors like banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating, has to be done for a real reform. And at the same time, we might need to address the root issue, that the acharya complained of being poisoned. So all of that is happening by default, we keep getting more people interested just because, these ideas make sense. So the real reform will happen just as reforms often do, and have done for centuries, by grass roots efforts.
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Meanwhile they said no one should listen to PADA, and PADA has to be removed from the internet, because PADA preaches that people need to worship Srila Prabhupada. They wanted people to instead listen to GBC groupies like Bhakta das and read Hari Sauri's stuff. OK we need to listen to the supporters of the Radhanath / molester messiah program. We have to promote the pedophile guru's process cheer leaders. And that is a reform?
Its amazing how attached some devotees are to the child buggery messiahs program, so much so, they think its a reform? Did I forget to mention, most devotees write to complain that their linking Hitler to Krishna is -- giving Krishna a bad name?
The Jayananda Thakur-ites. Recently, some so-called ritviks have been saying we need to make Jayanada the ritvik acharya. OK this is another puzzle piece that will never fit into what the rest of the devotee are doing. Jayananda das, nice guy and my personal friend. Is there an order for him to be worshiped as the current ritvik acharya of ISKCON. Well nope.
Therefore what seems to be working best is the PADA plan. All we have to really do is be patient, promote Srila Prabhupada as the acharya as best we can, and we will get people on board automatically as they eventually realize our idea is the right one by the process of elimination. Which is happening more every day.
They will eventually see that these other reforms are false, often because these reforms are not even growing in the first place. Or worse, the various reformers are being discredited in different ways.
So the idea that we need to worship Srila Prabhupada as the acharya, and we need to address criminal behaviors like banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinating, has to be done for a real reform. And at the same time, we might need to address the root issue, that the acharya complained of being poisoned. So all of that is happening by default, we keep getting more people interested just because, these ideas make sense. So the real reform will happen just as reforms often do, and have done for centuries, by grass roots efforts.
ys pd] angel108b@yahoo.com
LD: Reform means ... to get rid of the bad teachings and return to the original. Most of these reformers do not want to go back to the original. They want to keep the bad element. And they will get rid of the people who want the original teaching.
ReplyDeleteSo they want to keep the rotten apples. Then wonder why the rest of the apples are starting to rot.
ISKCON reform means ... to to go back to the original program of the acharya. No changes. Anything less than that is compromise. And people compromise for personal gain. So they bring personal gain into the reform. Then the reform is lost, its false reform.
Same thing happened in the Church ... and the Gaudiya Matha. So many reforms, but same problems continue ... false reforms. I agree, more people now want his original teachings. And we are lucky to have them by his books. He knew this would happen ... so he made the books.