What About Pancaratna Das? (ISKCON)

ISKCON Constitution Project Update

From 3 to 6 January 2023, GBC General Counsel Devakinandana Das hosted a four-day meeting in the offices of his law firm in Singapore.

ISKCON Constitution project members Pancharatna Das (ACBSP), Kaunteya das, and Devarsi Radhika Devi Dasi, who is also an attorney, travelled from India to attend. The other team members, Anuttama Das and Nrisimha Kavaca Das participated one day by Zoom.

The Constitution team has been meeting since 2017. Over the last three years, they have meet weekly online. They produced three earlier drafts of a Constitution that were presented to the GBC for their input.

The team is currently working on a new updated draft for the GBC to review during its Annual General Meeting in February 2023. The text shall be presented to the GBC members and others for their feedback. Thereafter the team will crystallise the document, moving step-by-step towards an eventual ratification vote.

Pancaratna's Messiah's Club

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PADA: Yep prabhu, you are right, Pancaratna das ACBS is working hand in hand with Kaunteya and Anuttama, who have been censored by the India ICC Bureau for making mis-representations of Srila Prabhupada's books. Of course, he is also always on hand to tell our God brothers to take boat loads of sins, so he can turn them into mental and physical basket cases by over - loading his brothers with karma, of course Kaunteya and Anuttama do the same.

Pancaratna's handiwork, making his God brothers into

basket cases.

"My karma vacuum cleaner bag is full" 

Overall, Pancaratna das has been wearing many different advisor / managerial hats for the past 45 years, and is many times a consultant and / or part of various ISKCON pedophile messiah's club's endless list of committees. That means he has been a big player in the illicit sex messiahs program, which bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas. 

Yep, he was not happy with me all along, and he still isn't, because I am saying, hey it looks like the same group -- of the same few guys -- who are just switching hats over and over. Another "new committee," new hat, but same old guard leaders. 

It is like Al Capone appointing himself to monitor the Girl Scout cookie sales funds. Can that system be trusted? Maybe nope. Same few guys switching hats -- again. Don't they even look for another rabbit for their same old rabbit in hat trick? Seems that we've seen the same old rabbit about 500 times already! Oh, but he has a new hat! ys pd 

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This is a discussion of the Jaipur Pancaratna

PK: Why a new committee? Why not report matters to the ICPO? What’s the problem there?

VK: First, I have issue that Pancaratna was sent to monitor the gurukula, it’s just one of the good old boys checking on another good old boy so to speak. Second, CCTV cameras in the children's damn ashram rooms, surely that is a human rights violation for the rights of the child. These kids are in school, not a prison cell under 24 hour prison watch. 

This can lead to voyeur behaviour from the adults not trained in surveillance laws. Thirdly, I am alarmed as to there being a mention of teachers who have been present for 20 years in this school system, who fear some kids reporting them for abuse. What have we seen going on for the past 20 years?

Right. The past 20 years has been full of abuse issues, why are they still there. At all! Fourthly, Pancaratna's was hardly an academic, investigative report. It was more like the comments you would hear at an istaghosti, or idle talk amongst peers. Very disappointing to say the least.

DD: Presumably there was a reason that ICPO wanted Radha Kanta's role to be restricted - one which the INCPO completely disregards.

SR: Nothing to see here! Keep walking!

HD: The India ICPO child protection program is corrupt. They don’t have a full grasp of child abuse v child protection. They are Gopal Krsna Goswami and Lokanath Swami's puppets and cronies. Not fit for the purpose. All gloss and no substance. So very sad. 

GG: Same old program of the good ole boys looking out for the other good ole boys. Then they make a "new commitee" ... after they already made 50 previous committees. Same useless guys from the old committee -- are the same guys now in the new one. It is a stalling technique. Meanwhile, the ever weakened original CPO "child protection" is not even allowed to take on the Lokanath case, so they invented an India CPO to shield their pedophile guru's system.

But it keeps the sheeple happy. Oh look! They made a new committee! Right you are ... little cricket! But you forgot, it is the same old guard guys who messed up everything when they were on the old committee, now switching hats to be on the new committee. It is a joke. Except people are getting molested and killed in the process. Bunch or pervo losers, but with a new f**king hat! F**king wonderful. 

PADA: Well yep. The good news is -- I refused to participate in the "lets make illicit sex with men, women and children into messiahs -- so we can ban, beat, molest, sue and kill Vaishnavas committee." I missed out on that golden opportunity, which has the added bonus of a free ride to Yamaraja while being bitten by giant dogs, heh heh heh. ys pd

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PADA: Yep: Many parents and many ISKCON leaders were giving me vulture glares when I helped the Windle Turley lawsuit while in Los Angeles. The LAPD police even stopped me on my bike and yelled at me, and told me to avoid Watseka because my life is in severe danger over here. "Lack of reporting" means -- everyone is passively witnessing without acting. 

That is not what has happened here, rather -- banning, chasing us with bats, giving us vulture glares, threats, and actual physical counter action -- to the people reporting abuse -- is called "actively defending" the abuse infrastructure. Simply idle and passive looking the other way is not the same as actively defending, and that is a big topic on my upcoming TV expose: we dissenters have been given harsh treatment -- while the bad guys orchestrating the regime are given giant maha plates, new Apple air laptops, big seats, garlands and etc. 

In sum, there really has been no internal justice department, rather there is an internal harassment of whistle blowers department. Me and Sulochana were referred to the so-called ISKCON Justices department like Rupanuga and Mukunda swami, and they excommunicated us and said we are offenders. That is their idea of justice. And then it just got worse for us after that, they wanted to make examples of us by the process of "Monkeys on a Stick," to silence any other dissenters. And I too would have been whacked by them if the FBI had not come to my rescue. They are a violent pedophile worshiping cult, plain and simple. ys pd

Child Abuse Issue / Poison Issue / GBC Cover-ups

SN Dasi: As a mental health therapy type of person ... I would have to say ... most of the Hare Krishna's suffer from "battered wife syndrome." The GBC beats them up, treats them and their families like dirt, and they either do nothing, or go back to supplicate themselves to the abusers and their networks of associates. They almost always don't even report the abuse of themselves ... or even the abuse of their own children ... to save the abusers and the abuser's network of allies. 

And that simply enables the abusers to continue, or it even encourages them to continue the abuse all the more ... knowing there are no consequences. The battered wife almost always won't take action against their abusers. Well known fact.

And the abusers know that, and that creates an endless loop and repeating cycle of the battered wife ... getting more battered. Eventually she might even die ... but on no account does she take proper action against her abuser. 

In ISKCON even their own children were taking their lives, and yet almost no one wanted to face off against the abusers who caused all of this. Classic case of battered wife syndrome, which is very dangerous, not only for the woman but for the children in the grips of that situation. 

I wish I could go in there and start yelling at them to stop all this, but the battered wife can't admit there is a problem. She has now become a co-dependent of the problem. She defends the abuser ... because she has now become the abuser's co-dependent of the problem. 

In other words, she identifies her life as only existing with the abuser, and cannot see herself existing without the abuser. It is a form of mental illness, and it is a dangerous one for the children in that scenario. This type thing happens not only in religion cults but in all sorts of sadistic dictatorships where the leaders mistreat others terribly, but the victims just keep on serving their evil masters because ... they have developed a co-dependent relationship with their evil masters.

PADA: Yes, after we reported that the children were taking their lives and we needed to take drastic action, the GBC and their henchmen like -- Naranaryan Visvakarma / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad das / IRM / Kamsahanta / Pancali / Bhakta Peter / HKC Jaipur types all started to cry like little babies. 

You mean someone is going to halt our anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's club? How can we live without kissing the jackboots of our favorite child beating and child raping society every day? They were not actually angry at their child raping society's leaders, they were angry at us, that we have been exposing them. 

And we still have some folks telling us we are wrong to expose their child beating and child raping society. They are with the abusers, and that enables the abuse. Even the karmi media / FBI / police people ask me about that, why are so many people defending and helping the abuser's system, and not helping -- the people exposing the abuse system like -- you? Battered wife syndrome indeed. They are co-dependents with the abusers, agreed. ys pd 

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JD: I hate to have to say this to "the devotees" ... but, Puranjan was right the whole time. We cannot allow children to be abused, it will harm ISKCON ... if not kill it outright. By avoiding the issue ... ISKCON has become severely wounded and harmed ... really it is now almost dead. Too many of us NOW know abuse was covered up almost the whole time ... "game over." 

And it is a childless society in many respects, because most young people have fled ... and are not coming back. Ever. I am done with them myself. A society that has hardly any children cannot sustain ... it is a dying society. These temples are like ghost towns ... for good reasons. 

And now some of my ISKCON friends say ... they are seeing more and more people heading for the exit doors away from ISKCON too, they just cannot support it anymore. And the child abuse issue is probably the main thing that is turning people off. No one wants to be even seen in such a society.

The GBC hardly can afford to lose more people ... and there is no plan what to do as more people leave. Of course ... I am doing my part ... and telling everyone I know to get out. There is no future for you there. You will not be taken care of when you will need care. Even now some devotee I knew just died ... and they are trying to collect $12,000 for his funeral and care for his wife. Just stay away from them and get your own life together.

Why are the devotees leaving? We know. Especially because ... the GBC made a whole lot of false promises after the Windle Turley lawsuit ... that not only proved false ... but it is possible ... the abusers gave even more abuse to children after then. It looks like things just got worse ... even after they were warned. That means ... they just don't care. 

And then ... we come to the even more explosive cover up and conspiracy ... Srila Prabhupada himself was treated badly ... because he said he is being poisoned. And Puranjan also asked people to look into that too ... and hardly anyone did at the start. Another head in the sand cover up. But I believe that now the poison issue will become the next shoe to drop onto the heads of our "ultimate managers." 

All of this needs to be cleaned up ... and if it isn't ... then take my advice ... avoid them and get your own independent life going. You don't need them, they need you. And India is supposed to be Bharat Varsha and all that. But it looks like they are mostly shameless guru bureaucracy position and money grabbers who would support worshiping Kamsa ... if they got paid salary. Srila Prabhupada says it is a blessing to be born there, but it can also be the worst of curses, as we see now.

And burying sex monkeys in the dham is poisoning the dham. I see how all of this is connected, because it is. So everyone needs to get their heads out of the sand and wake up. Their staying asleep for too long is turning their dream into a huge nightmare for everyone else.

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Nityananda Das

Dear GBCs, secretaries, deputies, and other esteemed ISKCON leaders and devotees:

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada! Please accept my respectful obeisances.

Recently it has been revealed that the child abuse in Mayapur (and ISKCON in general) was not dealt with properly, covered-up, and even supported by many of the same GBC leaders who are charged with protecting Srila Prabhupada’s children. The GBC cannot be trusted with the child abuse issue; that is now very clear. 

Many are now discussing, what to do? The issue is not just that we need more CPO funding, or better societal awareness and vigilance to deter future child abuse, although would be good. The real, fundamental problem is we have a totally corrupt, ineffective, and dishonest GBC who are not fit to manage Srila Prabhupada’s society. 

Is the child abuse (which of course is very serious and must be addressed) the only thing the GBC has hidden and suppressed? No, the GBC history since 1978 is a series of crises, cover-ups, and mismanagement. That ISKCON still exists, even in a form that is unrecognizable compared to what Srila Prabhupada gave us, is a miracle. Why do we naively persist in petitioning, proposing, asking, and pleading for the GBC to properly meet their mandate and responsibilities? Why do we still trust them with anything anymore? Can’t we learn?

For decades we trusted the GBC’s official narrative that they cleaned up the child abuse in Mayapur and elsewhere. This has proved false and can no longer be denied, although of course the GBC and various leaders are resorting to damage control rather than face the truth they have hidden for so long. E.g., Bhavananda was “punished” by the CPO in 2000, but since then much more evidence of his child abuse has surfaced, that he has hidden and was not “punished” for. 

And the GBC doesn’t care, he is still in Mayapur as a prominent “consultant.” Another GBC cover-up example is Prabhavishnu, who the GBC knew to have been visiting Bangkok since 1991. They confronted the issue twice, in 2001 and 2009, with unpublished resolutions. Then his disciple apparently caught him red-handed in Bangkok, and the GBC suspended him (only after he was publicly exposed). He is back in the guru business again -- wearing white. And the GBC is doing their best? 

The GBC has made a farce of the guru-initiation system, the child protection, the unnecessary and massive adulteration of Srila Prabhupada’s sacred, untouchable books, and the poison issue as well. Why do we trust them with anything? The primary poisoning suspects secretly organized and paid their own disciples to do a sketchy, phony whitewash, a so-called investigation of themselves -- how can we trust this? 

We no longer trust the GBC with the “Krishna children” issue -- after so many cover-ups and useless investigations, so how can we trust their poison investigation and that they did not cover-up the truth on that too? Entrenched interests worldwide suppress what they call misinformation but which all too often proves to be lies... the same has happened with ISKCON’s cover-ups and denials.

The poisoning evidence is not a fringe conspiracy theory as it may be convenient to dismiss it out of hand. Those who do so, do not know what the actual evidence is, and they probably have stuck their head in the sands of cognitive dissonance, an inability to face that which differs from their institutionally conditioned belief system. It takes an open mind and use of unbiased intelligence to ascertain what has value or not. But in ISKCON, to not abide by the official narrative, one is finished. How can there be any justice, truth, success, or honesty in such a closed and repressive institution? 

“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.” (Noam Chomsky)

The official GBC resolution, "There is no evidence at this time to support the allegations of poisoning of Srila Prabhupada," makes a mockery of ISKCON leadership. If anyone actually looked at Srila Prabhupada’s words and listened to the taped discussions from 1977, they will see there definitely is substantial evidence of poisoning. Srila Prabhupada never said he was not poisoned. 

Tamal asked Srila Prabhupada “Who is it that has poisoned?” Tamal and the caretakers all acknowledged Srila Prabhupada felt he was being homicidally poisoned. But if one just reads the denials from the GBC (whom we now know are untrustworthy), we are just comforting ourselves with lies and we remain deluded (as we were for decades with the child abuse).

The GBC is corrupt and they have disqualified themselves with the mess they have made. They must be totally removed and the secondary leaders must honestly deal with all the issues that have been suppressed, and honor the concerns and realizations of thousands of devotee victims, men, women, and children. 

ISKCON needs a fresh start, a full reboot, without the ruinous conflict of interest of managers who are in the guru business to exploit ISKCON by increasing their disciples, worship, and bank balances. Why is it that those inside ISKCON cannot see this, while those outside can? 

ISKCON has a cover-up culture. All problems are swept under the rug, given Band-Aids, covered up. The GBC is incapable of solving problems; actually they are the ultimate cause of all these problems anyway, in as far as they have not followed Srila Prabhupada’s teachings.

Pradyumna das, after writing a letter in 1978 about the anomalies in the zonal acharya system, was forced out of ISKCON, and the GBC apologized after 20+ years and invited him back. The GBC policies proved wrong and finally they had to admit it. The GBC suppressed and covered up the child abuse for decades and they have been found (again) to be untrustworthy and unfit for continued leadership. That is because the GBC is dominated by false gurus who have a history of suppressed and covered up scandals of their own, and they are only interested in one thing- their guru franchises. 

Child abuse is not really important to them; they knew about it, accepted it, and covered it up. Haven’t we been cheated enough already? Perhaps now some independent and intelligent due diligence on the other issues that the GBC has covered-up for decades is in order? The child abuse is just the tip of the iceberg. It all ties in together. The narrative that those who protest the GBC cover-ups and deceit are evil troublemakers, conspiracists with poisoned souls and crazy minds, who have no substance to offer- this is more false propaganda to keep us in the dark. 

Many prominent devotees, ex-TPs, ex-GBCs, and leaders (I am but one of them) who sacrificed their youths for spreading Krishna consciousness, have come to see the validity of the poison evidence and that the guru-initiation system in ISKCON is not what Srila Prabhupada wanted. If we want to restore Srila Prabhupada’s divine mission, to protect the children and deal with all other major issues, we can no longer trust the corrupted and dishonest GBC that has harbored child abusers for decades, supported them, covered for them. 

The devotees who are seriously appreciating the validity of the poison and guru issues, numbers in the thousands. Are they all deluded and crazy? There are also a number of names on this very email list who take the evidence that Srila Prabhupada was deliberately, maliciously poisoned in 1977 very seriously.

Let’s not get caught blind-sided again like we did with the child abuse. An unhealthy body is prone to disease, so also the deviant path for ISKCON that the GBC has taken for 45 years has resulted in many unresolved and festering societal crises. The root problem of minimizing Srila Prabhupada and not following his instructions is overlooked. It is well-nigh time for a reboot. We do not need the imposition of another forced narrative to replace the one the GBC has pushed on us since 1978, one that is increasingly seen to be defective and dishonest. 

We instead need a time of healing, study, istagostees, and open gentlemanly discussions to discover Srila Prabhupada’s guidance (rather than more GBC deviant doctrines) to restore the divine mission and Hare Krishna movement properly. 

It is time to reconsider the corrupt GBC narratives and policies, and at least consider what our thousands of exiled, alienated God siblings hold to be true facts. A major investigative forensic report is about to be published which certifies that Srila Prabhupada was maliciously poisoned. It may be best to get ahead of the curve and learn about the evidence and facts now. 

Meanwhile, the secondary leaders must remove the corrupt guru-ocracy and seek out a new, honest leadership that does not have the basic conflict of interest problem that has ruined ISKCON- that of managers who are operating private guru franchises. 

Offering a look at the objective evidence of many of ISKCON’s real problems and the proposed solutions, a free set of 2 hardcover books (1700 pgs) titled Srila Prabhupada’s Hidden Glories will be sent upon request. Anonymity is guaranteed, or you may use someone else’s name (please provide a postal address). These books do not try to convince anyone of anything, but aim to inspire and facilitate critical, independent, and creative thinking and discussion on the current issues facing all of Srila Prabhupada’s followers. They deal with ISKCON history, problems, Srila Prabhupada’s instructions, and solutions, and they are already circulating everywhere. They can also be sent digitally by email, just ask. Also, on Amazon:

Srila Prabhupada: Triumphant Departure- The Complete Book of Poisoning Evidence

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0923519122  (530 pgs, paperback and EBook)

Yours in Prabhupada’s service,  Nityananda das

MAJOR FORENSIC INVESTIGATIVE REPORT DUE SOON

In 2020-2023 one of the most reputed and globally acclaimed private investigation and forensic laboratories on the planet was engaged, spending 500+ hours in an audio analysis of the Nov. 1977 tape recordings. This comprehensive study unambiguously confirmed Srila Prabhupada’s premature passing away by linking the lethal heavy metals/ cadmium poisoning detected in NAA analysis of hair samples with incriminating audio evidence. Tamal, Jayapataka, and Bhavananda were identified as the speakers of several homicidal poisoning whispers, as well as in secondary whispers. The study establishes a secret poisoning plot with the latest scientific technology, tools, and methods. The conclusion that senior disciples criminally poisoned Srila Prabhupada was made as a group opinion by a broad panel of forensic experts, including medico-legal experts, toxicologists, pharmacologists, NAA experts, digital audio experts, homicide investigators, and psychologists. This team has handled 15,000 cases over five decades, for governments, upper courts, senior attorneys, law enforcement, international agencies, multi-national corporations, and victims of crime and injustice. This new, sweeping, all-inclusive, encyclopedic, court-ready, revelatory study-report reveals Srila Prabhupada’s mysterious health decline as malicious poisoning.
A summary of the audio forensic determinations in this new study, which confirms/ expands on previous audio analyses, is:
*Tamal WHISPERS: So, The Poison’s Going Down. (Bhavananda: Giggle). The Poison’s Going Down.
*Tamal: Is The Poison In The Milk? Bhavananda: Uh-Huh.
*Tamal: We know he’s trying to trap us./ He’s as sly as they come.
*Tamal WHISPERS: Prabhupada keeps asking. He's not going to stop until he finds out. *WHISPER: [TIME: 07:53-57] It’s Poison.
*(Bengali Speaker): Kayek din pare asha (In a few days’ time)
*Jayapataka: Poisoning For

 A (Long) Time…
*[Srila Prabhupada]: (high, squeaky, weak voice) To me?
*Jayapataka: Get Ready To Go. UNKNOWN: You're taking it right now. SOFT ELDER VOICE: “How's this? UNKNOWN: Let it go.
All the poison whispers took place on Nov.11, 1977, the very day after Srila Prabhupada stated three times he was being poisoned. Tamal admits he is the speaker of “the poison’s going down, the poison’s going down,” but claims he said “the swelling’s going down.”
This report will be released in very near future. Mayeswara das will have his hands full.
Also, due May 1st, 20123, Voilume Three will be released on Amazon Books:
Pursuit of Srila Prabhupada's Poisoners

Krishna Keshava Departs

 

Hare Krishna. All glories to Srila Prahbupada.

It is with a heavy heart that I am informing you my son Krishna Keshava Burns was killed in a motorcycle accident on Sunday, April 23, 2023 evening in Alachua. He and we were fortunate that Balarama Smith saw it and went to him to chant Lord Nrishimhadeva prayers before his demise.

Balaram also placed his Lord Nrsimhadeva pendant and beads on Keshava’s body before his soul departed. Miraculously, another devotee appeared at the scene of the accident from nowhere and chanted Hare Krishna to Keshava. We would appreciate it if that would identify himself to us so that we can thank him. Please ask the assembled devotees to keep Keshava in their prayers. Haribooool!

More details to follow regarding Funeral and Memorial services.

Written by Bhakta Gana Das, Keshava’s father.

PADA: Very tragic, since I believe this is the third fatal young devotee motorcycle accident this year. I get it, when you are young, you think you are immortal and you can do risky things and get away with it. I was like that myself, I even had a couple of motorcycles back in the day.

Then again, other drivers do not even see motorcycles half the time, and they might run into you. Basically, when you are on a motorcycle, you are not well protected and bad things can happen quickly if you are involved in a crash. My best friend in High School broke his spine hitting a guard rail on his bike, and it was devastating.

Anyway, he has moved on from here and he is no longer worried about motorcycles. So we wish him all the best. God speed spirit soul! ys pd

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GBC Must Resign! / Nrsimhananda das (ITV - Los Angeles)

Dear esteemed GBC members,

Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

In light of serious lapses in responsible administration by the Governing Body Commission [ISKCON GBC] we, as good faith servants of Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON, request its present members to collectively resign in deference to the widespread concerns of the greater ISKCON community.

We request a review and renewal of the GBC membership overseen by an aggregated body of responsible devotees, such as the SABHA or OrgDev, to take place within a defined interim period. To avoid a power vacuum, the current members could remain as locum tenens pending the review’s outcome and identification of replacements, where required.

Upon resigning, we request each former GBC member to either remain retired or re-apply for a position in the GBC subject to approval by the appointed interim group.

Along with a renewal of membership, we request the reviewing body to work with the appropriate agencies to establish much-needed protocols for the accountability of the GBC, pursuant to the intent of Srila Prabhupada’s  Direction of Management. Thus all members of the current GBC can maintain their deserved dignity while allowing the body to collectively admit its shortcomings and establish effective mechanisms of organizational responsibility for the future.

We anticipate that any current GBCs aloof from the dynamics that led to the abuse and disruption that precipitated this call for renewal will be quickly welcomed back, should they submit for reinstatement.

The GBC’s ability to lead ISKCON depends upon the community's faith in the Body as Srila Prabhupada’s empowered instrument. Your resignation would signal recognition of this and significantly strengthen the devotees’ trust in their leaders. It would not affect your administrative positions in any specific project or property and thus not create undue instability regarding ISKCON assets.

The lay congregation desperately needs reassurance that its leaders are prepared to take responsibility for their grave omissions and the ensuing tragedies. Verbal assurances are no longer sufficient. Failing to demonstrate meaningful acceptance of culpability will further erode trust and raise serious questions about the Body’s probity and legitimacy to lead.

Though ISKCON, particularly its Governing Body Commission, was charged by Srila Prabhupada with being an ideal example of leadership and organization, history proves it has sadly fallen prey at times to the unbecoming tendencies it was established to root out across humanity at large. Studying the Srimad Bhagavatam helps us appreciate that this situation is not surprising and reassures us that it is not yet a reason to lose faith in ISKCON’s leaders and their noble mission.

The Lord entrusted Sri Brahma with manifesting and maintaining the structure of the universe. Yet, at an early point in his service, he sexually pursued his daughter—a shocking breach of conduct. When Brahma’s capable and well-meaning children petitioned him about how such base behaviour could overcome him, he felt deeply chastened. He then gave up his body to cleanse himself and show good faith to his dependents. ISKCON's past, present, and future members need a similar demonstration of good faith and contrition from the foundational generation of the GBC.

This is not a call for revolution but a renewal of the GBC’s sacred purpose established by Srila Prabhupada, who saw his legacy connected to this Body's behaviour.

In 1971 he wrote to Bhagavan prabhu, “I am now getting all respect and honour, so now you must preserve that standard and not dishonour me.”

Many ISKCON members are floundering in the haze of legitimate criticism regarding the GBC’s abject failure to protect the devotees under its care. Whether the future regards the present confusion as evidence of iniquity in ISKCON’s leadership or the understandable growing pains of its volatile formative years will depend on how the GBC addresses these concerns.

Along with offering urgently required healing to the devotee society by admitting dereliction, your resignation would be a significant step towards establishing healthy leadership and succession dynamics in ISKCON. It will also allow the next generation to assume leadership roles while seasoned elders are still present to support them in times of challenge and uncertainty.

The Srimad Bhagavatam itself manifested from a great leader accepting dramatic penance for a relatively innocent mistake. Yet see how the Lord reciprocated. Pariksit’s history is a universal success story born of his penitence.

What miracles might Krishna be moved to manifest if the GBC displayed such sincerity now? How valuable a message would it give to future generations of leaders if this inevitable change of guard came not by the force of time but by your sacrifice in the mood of serving Srila Prabhupada’s devotees?

As firm well wishers of the GBC, whose strength and integrity are so critical to ISKCON’s welfare, we ask that you protect our society with a profound example of accountable leadership rooted in humility. Pray step down and, in so doing, rise to the occasion of this pivotal moment.

Your earnest servants,

Acintya Lila Dasi, DK

Akrura das, Gita Coaching

Ananta Purusottama das, UK

Ananta Sri Das, Radio Krishna, DK

Atmanivedana Swami, SABHA

Chandrashekhara Swami, SABHA 

Cintamani Dhama-dasi, UK 

Damodara das, Leadership Coach, Australia

Danesh Dasa, DK

Deva Madhava das, TP Ypsilanti MI

Gokulananda das, ACBSP

Hari-dhama das MG, UK

Isvara Das, Touchstone Media

Japa Yajna das, UK

Jaya Laksmana das, ACBSP

Kosa Rupa dasi, ACBSP

Krishna dharma das, SABHA

Krsnadas Kaviraja das, ACBSP, GBC Deputy Executive

Madhva Anderson, Leadership Coach, UK

Mahapremada dd, UK

Parabhakti das, SABHA, TP Villa Vrindavana

Parasurama das, Food for All, UK

Paravidya das, SA

Patri das, Regional Secretary, Nepal

Paurnamasi dasi, Portugal

Pranada dasi, ACBSP

Radha carana das, SABHA

Radhika Anderson, UK 

Rama Nrsimha das, UK

Sanaka Rsi das, USA

Sarasvati dasi, USA

Sarvamangala dasi, ACBSP

Subhalaksmi dasi, ACBSP

Suresvara das ACBSP, SABHA

Tattvavit das, ACBSP

Titiksu das, ISKCON UK Director / Trustee

Tribhangananda das, ACBSP

Urmila dasi, ACBSP

Visnu Murti das, Vanipedia

Vrinda Sundari dasi, Denver TP

Yadusrestha das, SABHA

Yamanuja dasi, UK

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PADA: This is good. However, the first problem is -- should the GBC folks admit to criminally neglecting ISKCON -- and / or the children of ISKCON, they might be worried about the legal consequences. Hence, Satsvarupa was the smartest guy in the group, he just locked himself in a room with a sign "do not disturb." Yeah, let the citizens suffer, as long as I have my guru pooja going on, who cares?

It is also amazing that after 45 years of sustained -- banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits, Federal SWAT raids on ISKCON property, and a few assassinations, a stream of horrific media coverage, temples turned into empty ghost towns etc., finally some people are saying "enough already"! I was at the enough already stage in 1979. Anyway, some progress is good, and should be recognized and applauded. 

Some gurus told Mahasringha, "Of course we know people hate our guts and hope we all die. But what are we going to do now, get a job driving a taxi? This is our career, we have not paid into social security, so if we leave this, we have nothing. We are gurus until we are dead."

OK so what is the motivation for them to say anything now? "Because anything I say can -- potentially -- be used against me." 

Not sure what the problem has been with the GBC?

Was it all the banning of thousands of devotees?

Was it the orchestrated beatings of various devotees?

Was it the illicit sex with men, women and children acaryas process?

Was it thst some of their gurus -- were taking intoxicants, shooting guns at occupied buildings, drinking Vodka, offering LSD to the shalagram etc.?

Was it going around making spin-off and off shoot competition for ISKCON by inviting in Sridhara Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja, babajis etc. and siphoning off thousands and thousands of ISKCON people AWAY to competing programs?

Was it the whacky Satanic Art of Satsvarupa, their main writer?

Was it changing the books?

Was it the Los Angeles temple authorities who told me they could not remove the photo off the altar -- of the guru who said "gurus can wear condoms when having illicit sex"?

Was it Govinda Datta, a LA temple leader, telling me he sends his kids to Christian schools because "I don't want my kids to be molested in the Krishna's schools."

Was it the murders and disappearences of various dissenters?

Was it Srila Prabhupada complaining of being poisoned?

Was it burying a pedophile and a porno swami in samadhi?

Was it the various police, FBI, Federal Marshalls raids on ISKCON temples?

Was it Krishna West gone bananas?

Was it being sued for mass child abuse, only to have worse abuses going on after that -- with Bhakti Vidya Purna swami in Mayapur? Which means they learned nothing from the lawsuit.

Was it Jayapataka people complaining I cost them $100,000,000 in legal fees?

Was it all of the above?

Or was it just the answer I had to give to an inquiry recently:

Q: What in a nutshell is ISKCON leadership's main beef with you (PADA editor)?

A: I do not believe that pedophiles are, were, or could have been, God's successors. 

Anyway, now they are suing child welfare advocates, which means -- no -- they are not asleep at the swicth. Rather! They are very alert, and as such they defend evil agendas over and over and over very vigilantly. 

KKD: They can defend ISKCON all they want, till they’re drained by exhaustion. But they can never defend the reasons why revolting abusers are kept in influential positions among devotees. This is the same as saying -- We Don’t Care about all the victims of abuse. Defending or supporting this stance makes us complicit in such abuse.

GG: Kaunteya smells blood in the water. He knows the good ole boys guru ship is taking in water fast ... sinking quickly. That means he won't have a position once the ship goes down. Besides, everyone hates the ship's bogus captains. 

So he is trying to make his own spin off "more West than Krishna West." He is going to "out reform" the other reformers. So he is talking about the bogus smartas ... like Bhakti Vikas swami, but Kaunteya is just like the bogus smartas, he also seems to avoid the whole bogus guru's and child abuse issue ... which is the main concern people have right now. 

They will have all sorts of meetings and papers, but not touching the main issue everyone complains about, they have mistreated devotees and especially children abominable fashion. Talking about the bogus smartas is another side show to avoid the real point. And that point is ... Kaunteya's guru Jayapataka is the leader of a pedophile rings and nests in the dham system. Let us get that resolved first, that we can see if "more West than Krishna West" is a good idea or not.

PADA: Nuff said. Don't be complict, at least --take leave of them. Better yet, expose them, but do not allow them to get away with all these crimes against humanity, and against Krishna, without protest, or you are complicit. This letter is a good starting point. But it won't end their regime in the short haul. Our best defense is to expose them, which has the added benefit of saving others from getting sucked into their traps.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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Nrsimhananda das (ACBSP -- ITV - Los Angeles)
Dear GBC Members,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I was invited to Bhaktivedanta Gurukula and International School (BGIS) for purposes of my film service. However, I am highly sensitive to child abuse issues and took the opportunity to look into the management, staff, and students. I gave classes and seminars to teachers and students.I also scoped out the facilities. I am neither a GBC, sanyassi, or ISKCON manager, so my interactions were free of any constraints due to positions of authority.

Abuse lives behind the shadows, so I knew that there is no foolproof system. 

[PADA: No, the child abuse is right out in the open. They were already telling all the kids to worship their illicit sex deviants right out of the gate in 1978, to try to transform the kids into fellow pedo-pooja lovers. "You become what you worship," so they had the kids worshiping their pedo pals -- evidently to try to make many of the kids into fellow pedos. 

Their pedo-pooja platform was done right out of the gate seen by all of us. I said that right away, Jayatirtha is a de fact pedo, and making children worship him his child abuse, at least psychologically and spiritually. This was all done openly and was in plain sight for all to see -- right out of the gate? That was the first rattle out of the box, let us have the ISKCON kids worshiping our illicit sex with men, women and children deviants as their messiahs, so we can make more of that process.]

I looked for safeguards. There are big, signs in front of the temple and all other buildings which declare the entire project as having zero tolerance for child abuse. They also have householders as teachers and administrators (male and female). A vast 24/7 surveillance system of cameras are omnipresent; any incident can be witnessed / referenced.

[PADA: But they are worshiping the Gopal Krishna program, same as the 1978 Jayatirtha process, and which now buries even pedos in samadhis. So they are in Vrndavana, where pedo samadhis are considered as bona fide and worshipable.]

I spoke privately and in groups with many of the 400 children / teens. I found them to be happy campers, many who spontaneously dance in kirtan without any prodding by overzealous ashram leaders. There are ample sports facilities including badminton courts, football fields, basketball hoops, and swimming.

BGIS sits on 100 acres with goshalla, guest house, large temple, ashram, ponds, infirmary, agriculture (subji's, wheat, fruit trees, etc.), and dedicated devotees. Having eaten with the boys, I can personally vouch that the prasadam is first class.

[PADA: Offering bhogha to a pedophile messiahs guru lineage contaminates the food. My ex-witch friend says this is how ISKCON contaminates their children, they make them eat food offered to their pedophile guru line, which then may make the children in sympathy with the pedo-pooja agenda. Offering food to an illicit sex with men, women and children guru process is not prasadam, it is -- according to my ex-witch, "like offering food to Satan to pollute people's brains if not make them sick mentally and physically."]

I accompanied the chief administrator, Radhakant prabhu, to Lucknow where he and I met with the state education minister. I was amazed to see the minister review each and every page of a voluminous report before approval. Under Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath, the state of UP has become much less corrupt and highly professional. The government is a stakeholder in the education industry, and it regulates these institutions very carefully.

[PADA: There are tons of bogus gurus and bogus guru worshiping programs in India, it is not regulated well by any means. And Srila Prabhupada often said that, India is a bogus guru factory.]

I was surprised to learn that BGIS is affiliated to ICSE / ISC Board and is ranked as the best boarding school in Uttar Pradesh and among the top 20 boarding schools of India by Education World Rankings, 2019. Like the tens of thousands of boarding schools in India, the parents pay a yearly fee to place their children.

I departed from my experience with a great sense of confidence in the administrators, staff, and teachers. If anyone is to render an opinion about whether ISKCON should be including gurukulas as boarding schools, they need to spend a week or so at BGIS which has reformed what was the legacy of Vrndaban gurukula.

[PADA: Yep, I have a lot of confidence in the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara, that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas, and is training up children to continue that process.]

YS, Nrsimhananda das

BTW, BGIS is a great place to stay when coming to Vrndaban. It is only nine miles from the Krishna Balaram mandir, but it is the rural Vrndaban that I remember. A big new guest house nearly completed welcomes the pilgrim as do the gorgeous deities of Krishna-Balarama, Radha-Madhava, Jagannath-Balarama-Subhadra, and Srila Prabhupada's murti. The quiet is only broken by the gleeful sounds of kids - a hopeful symptom of ISKCON's bright future.

[PADA: Yep, it is another edition of Gopal Krishna's program. His ICC people wrote to inform me that I am a bogus mleccha -- and thus should not comment on Vedic affairs, like for example, Gopal Krishna's program of helping bury deviants in samadhis, and creating and then reinstating deviants as acharyas etc. 

What are they teaching people there? Obviously they are teaching India people to be racist Jesus haters because we mlecchas worship pure devotees and not their anal sex with children epidemic guru parampara. Training little children to worship an anal sex with children epidemic guru parampara is -- contaminating them. And that is why they think worshiping Jesus is bogus, but worshiping an illicit sex with men, women and children acharyas program is bona fide. They are being trained improperly.  

ys pd] angel108b@yahoo.com

Watch out! Those bogus mlecchas might be worshiping a pure devotee like Jesus -- and not -- Gopal Krishna's illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs club, which has a sub-class club -- the anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiahs club! We cannot be having children worship pure devotees, because how can we spread our anal reconstructive surgery samadhi plan?   

A Devotee Woman's View 2023

It is becoming a business

A Devotee Woman's View:

I have great respect for the work of the good souls with regard to current child safety, and justice for those who were abused. As for ISKCON itself, personally I think the only solution is to disband or dismantle it; it seems to me that the GBC is beyond reform, and I think it is difficult to argue that ISKCON is not a cult (see the definitions of a cult). 

In any case, my understanding always was that SP’s self-professed mission, as given to him by SBS, was simply to preach and print books. Yet within his lifetime ISKCON had evolved into a quasi-empire, and since his passing it has been governed by a self-elected elite, many of whom, both previous and current GBCs, appear to be chiefly interested in managing finances, power, people, property and reputation to their own advantage. The exploitation and abuse, past and ongoing, is staggering.

The problem as I see it, is that the way ISKCON was structured right from the start, it was never intended to be a democratic society where transparent and accountable leadership would assure members that the society was run competently for the good of all. And surely ‘the good of all’ should be the aim of any society; not the good of the institution, its property portfolio or its management board.

The mood of submission, of being humble, of surrender, of doing the needful, of deferring to a ‘higher authority’, is part and parcel of ISKCON - it is so ingrained within the institution and its teachings, that it makes it daunting or nigh on impossible to challenge someone who is higher up in the hierarchy, and the higher up they are, the more difficult it is. As a woman in ISKCON, I realised very early on that the highest goal to aspire to was ... submissiveness, which, particularly with regard to women and children, was equated with advancement.

In my 20 years-experience as a devotee, the well-being of the individual was never even remotely a priority. And incidentally, I have to say, I found the recently posted video, where Sivarama swami advises parents how to select proper reading material for a child, downright chilling. What kind of a person sees children in this militaristic way? It reminded me more of ancient Sparta rather than a loving, nurturing community.

The problem for those who leave ISKCON is that once they have left, often for reasons of their own self-preservation, they have lost the opportunity to talk about their experiences or to draw attention to harm. Once they have left, they are ‘in maya’, ‘fallen down’, they are persona non grata and not to be listened to. There is absolutely no desire within ISKCON to hear from ex-devotees what drove them away; certainly, there was none when I left. 

And that is because in the eyes of ISKCON teachings, everything that happens to an individual is always their own fault, as a result of something they said or did in this life or a previous one. It is the ultimate and supreme gas-lighting, and I cannot even begin to imagine how the agony of abuse victims is compounded by this. And in the eyes of these teachings, it also must inevitably enforce the thought, at least subconsciously, in the minds of the elite, that they deserve to be top of the hierarchy, because here they are. Thus, we have an elite, at least some of whom feel justified and entitled to behave however they wish.

I joined in 1984, received first and second initiation, and left after 20 years as a devotee. From reading posts and comments here it seems to me that unfortunately, ISKCON and the GBC seem pretty much unchanged since I left almost 20 years ago, and in some respects, things seem to have gotten even worse, despite the best efforts of those pushing to change things for the better.

This is the first time I have publicly spoken these thoughts, other than to my husband, our adult children and a very few close friends. I have spent these past 20 years making peace with my own damaging experiences within ISKCON and getting on with a life which is healthier for me and my loved ones in every possible way. After devoting 20 years of my life to this movement, and raising three children within it, I wish I had something more positive to say, however, leaving was the best thing I ever did.

Thank you for the opportunity to say this.

DL: Thank you for taking the time to write a very thoughtful, honest and respectful musing on your time spent in the ISKCON institution. I could connect to so many of your experiences and realisations. 

AK: Thank you. In one sense, the "disbanding" of the GBC is already on the cards, as the time-factor pushes us all along in this body. Life (and death) is a process of "disbanding" our current life and moving us into the next. It will be telling in what manner the next generation of leaders (particularly those in India) decide to go forth when the current leaders are no longer present or functional. 

It will be very tempting for them to withdraw into local and provincial outlooks, and discard broad cooperation as an obsolete institutional strategy of a bygone era. In other words I think the size and dynamics of the institution are such, that even should Iskcon get "disbanded", there is sufficient inertia (particularly in India) to see a host of fiefdoms emerge from the rubble. 

I don't think "disbanding Iskcon" will simply just "wipe the slate clean." Rather, I think "disbanding Iskcon " would just be a sort of political reorganisation along provincial lines. 

KJ: Excellent. My humble respects for speaking the truth. Thousands of spiritual seekers lives were ruin by this outrageous sinister centralised cult and continuing year after year with the same elite group in charge of the money / properties / changing books etc. Iskcon incorporated, where you’re not allowed to speak the truth only OBEY. It won't work over time and already is not working.

GG: ISKCON is already splitting into mini-fiefdoms. There is already a lot of infighting among the different guru camps. Just like ... Kaunteya is now saying the ICC Bureau are smarta atheists ... for example. They only stay to together in certain areas where it is mutually beneficial. For the most part, even these "pure devotees" hate each other. And some of them are just waiting for Jayapataka to drop ... so they can bite off a piece of his ill-gotten kingdom. 

Meanwhile, most of the temples are really Hindu "show the deity" programs and they don't even know or care why all the Western people left. They just want a weekend cultural hall ... to congregate once in awhile ... same as they do in India. 

The Hindus go to the temple to offer a bag of flour every week as some sort of cultural connection, but they have no real idea what the siddhanta is. And that means, they are largely ignorant. And that is why the GBC loves them and encourages having them. They are a good source of revenue for the elites.

Turning over ISKCON over to the Hindus is already totally against the instructions of Srila Prabhupada. Gradually ... ISKCON is being managed and controlled by these Hindus ... and there will be little to none Srila Prabhupada program left. Already happens in SO many cases.

And that explains why ... people like Bhakti Vikas swami stay always in India. He cannot promote his false acharyas over here. Actually speaking the people over here are totally against their false acharyas. So ISKCON will continue to disintegrate, and I say, that is good. It should either represent Krishna, or die off because false religion is worse than none. "The most dangerous elements in human society." Let them die off ... and Yamaraja will sort them out.

At the same time ... some of us insignificant fringies will have the job of being keepers of the light. Maybe that is best for now, a de-centralized loose knit community ... that at least preaches the right things. And exposes the wrong things.

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PADA: "The best thing I ever did -- was leave." Ummm, yep. ISKCON is already splintered into so many pieces. There was the original split to Sridhara Maharaja, where ISKCON lost a group of sannyasas and Jayatirtha and many thousands of others. Later, there was the Narayan Maharaja split, and they lost many sannyasas and thousands of more people. 

Then there was the Bangalore split where they lost temples and thousands of more people. And meanwhile thousands of people just quit and went away, including thousands of children. So, it is not only bankrupted financially, also bankrupted manpower wise, they just jettisoned too many people. And more are leaving all the time.

Meanwhile, the ever tightening circle of GBC loyal "remainers" are circling their wagons around Jayapataka, just after a series of horrendous reports of child beatings and rapes surfaced about his program in Mayapur. That means, their program also will not last long, it has no moral foundation. So we Prabhupadanugas will be more unified than all of them in the long run because at least we have some solid foundational ideals and ideas. ys pd

pada angel108b@yahoo.com

Radhanath Swami and "Killing for Krishna."

BM: I just had an interesting email exchange with a fellow about Radhanath Swami's alleged involvement in the 1985-86 conspiracy to murder Sulochan dasa, which is thoroughly discussed in "Killing For Krishna." Some of my friends might be interested in this exchange, which follows:

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Radhe Syam

U claimed to say the Radhanath was included in Sulochan murder and he ordered Janmastami to do the murder etc. If some one comes with a point that u are making up the story how to answer it then? Is there any proof to this bcz radhanath will not accept it -- that he is involved in the murder etc. Can u share some valid suspects or anything else which prove it.

I read "kill guru become guru" and "monkey one a stick" too.

please reply

radhe radhe

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My reply:

Hare Krishna, Prabhu. Thank you for your inquiry.

I think you will find the answers to your questions in my book, Killing For Krishna: The Danger of Deranged Devotion: https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Krishna.../dp/154460727X/

In the meantime, I will say that I was bewildered myself some years ago, because of conflicting testimonies of those people, including Radhanath Swami, who were involved in the murder plot. Many conspiracy members claim that Radhanath Swami was a key member of the plot to murder Sulochan Prabhu.

Janmastami, as you know, claims Radhanath recruited him into the conspiracy. I have met Janmastami many times, he is my godbrother. We talk on the phone every couple months. I believe his is telling the truth.

Kuladri, although he keeps his mouth shut, told an investigative reporter in 1989 I think that Radhanath Swami was involved in the plot, and Kuladri thinks Radhanath even told Bhaktipada about the plot. Kuladri, who himself was a leader in the conspiracy, escaped from prison due to a sweet plea bargain with the prosecutors.

Jyotirdhama, who was in charge of New Vrindaban's telephone system, helped coordinate the murder and conspirators by routing special calls in the switchboard room at New Vrindaban. He says that Radhanath ORDERED the execution of Sulochan. I am friends with Jyotirdhama. We speak on the phone periodically. He wrote a 15 page summary of his involvement in the murder plot, which appears in Killing For Krishna.

One of my friends, Harivenu, who was a teenager at the New Vrindaban gurukula in the mid-1980s, says he was present when Radhanath Swami ordered Janmastami to "Destroy the Demon." I keep in touch with him today. He lives in California.

It is a fact that Radhanath approved of the murder. Another friend of mine, a traveling sankirtan partner, Ramachandra, told me on the day of the murder he asked Radhanath Swami in the New Vrindaban temple, "Do you know who killed Sulochan?" Ramachandra says Radhanath replied, "No. But whoever it was, he was doing devotional service to Krishna." I believe Ramachandra. He lives in Wheeling and we talk on the phone periodically.

Even Tirtha in prison, who exchanged 200 letters with me by snail mail from 2002 to 2017, told me that "Radhanath delivered a big bag of money to me, after the murder." This was so Tirtha and his family could purchase air tickets and fly to India and hide from U. S. law enforcement.

Dharmatma, the New Vrindaban sankirtan leader, says he gave a bag of $6,000 in small bills to Radhanath and Bhaktipada when they came to his house shortly after the murder. Dharmatma asked, "This is so Tirtha can fly to India?" Both Bhaktipada and Radhanath nodded "Yes."

Jagad Guru Swami, a Prabhupada disciple, who founded an ashram in India, told me personally, that a few weeks after the murder, Radhanath confessed to him his involvement in the murder plot while the two godbrothers were sitting on a beach in San Diego, USA. Jagad Guru Swami says he spoke to the FBI about it.

This is all in "Killing For Krishna."

So it comes down to: Who do we believe? Radhanath, or all these other people? The choice is ours. Proof may not exist, as sometimes people lie. But in this case, I believe Radhanath is the liar.

I knew Radhanath personally, and we always had a cordial relationship. But after I started talking about my research about the history of New Vrindaban, and the conspiracy to murder Sulochan, he avoids me like the plague, even when I approach him and try to have a friendly conversation.

I hope this helps answers your questions.

Sincerely,

Henry (Hrishikesh dasa)

PADA: These guys were after me as well. Sulochana said "we are being hunted like dogs," and -- we were. The best advice I got from any GBC guru -- was from Jayatirtha. When he booted me out -- he said to me privately on the phone, "you'd better watch your back." 

Yep, he knew full well what was coming down the pipeline for me. Watch your back, front, sides, top, bottom, hee hee, we are coming to get you. I wrote to Tirtha in jail and was very disappointed that he made pretend he knew nothing about anything. He might fool some people, but it is hard to fool a direct participant like me. Well someday he will be held accountable in the higher court of Yamaraja, they won't be fooled there.

ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

Parvat Muni Departs

PADA: All the best to you and your family. God speed spirit soul. ys pd 

angel108b@yahoo.com

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Thanks MA. Yes, this is an auspicious time.

GBC Internals Show Jayapataka Still Reigns Supreme

PADA: Notice that Jayapataka swami, the founder father of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara; and top facilitator for the child abuse process in Mayapur, is still the main person being consulted over ISKCON's child welfare. And this is why more and more people are saying, this is the main reason NOTHING ever gets done. The people who created the problem will NEVER solve the problem. 

You mean to say, the main generals in charge of the Auschwitz for kids project, are STILL the SAME people we need to consult over how to treat children? Someone said, this is like asking Jack the Ripper to take charge of the girl scouts camping trip. Hee hee! ys pd

Dear Devotees, PAMHO AGTSP

Rasaraj prabhu requested me to post it for your perusal.

Your servant,

Rrdas


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Hare Krishna All,

Pamho AGTSP

The verse and purport quoted by Basughosh prabhu below is justly well known.
Still, I would humbly urge consideration of the following three points. I make
them as briefly as possible.

1) The verse says that young boys should stay in the ashrama of the Guru and be
trained properly. Now, the word 'guru' here could be interpreted as referring
to just any teacher in the conventional sense or as Guru in the highest Vaishnava sense (Sakshad Haritvena), or in any intermediate sense. 

PADA: Yep. In contemporary ISKCON there are three types of gurus: 1) The founder fathers of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara: 2) The cover-ups, cheer leaders, defenders, apologists etc. for the illicit sex messiahs club and: 3) Those "voted in" by the two above groups. 

Of course even the common man knows that an illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara is an offense to God, and is dangerous for children. Unfortunately, victims are often told they "did not study the shastra," so they selected the wrong guru. Nope, these three are the ONLY choices the victims are given, there is no good choice. Apart from that, how can a five years old child "study the shastra"?

It could be arguably said that presently in the movement, i.e. after Srila Prabhupada's Divine Disapperance, we have not required the term "guru" to stand in the highest Vaishnava sense, and that in the eyes of many, it is an issue that needs to be addressed and revisited.

PADA: Correct. No normal religion promotes the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as their messiahs and gurus.

Thus, with respect to present Gurukulas we have, it might be prudent to err on the side of caution on the safeside and require gurukulas to have gurus in the highest Vaishnava sense operating them. In which case the decision to at least temporarily close down the schools until we feel we have such qualified gurus who can run a gurukula will be in line with the highest reading of the quoted verse, not at all ignoring it.

2) Secondly, education is a top-down process, both in the case of training adult devotees joining the movement, as well as in the case of children we wish to educate. That is to say, the gnostic component we teach must have successful practicioners at the highest level, and then percolate down through them. Srila Prabhupada, being the highest caliber Mahabhagavata, certainly started the educational process in that top-down way. 

PADA: It is percolating down. By worshiping sexual predators and pedophiles, there has been an outbreak of predators and pedophiles. That is because we become what we worship according to Vedic principle. So Rasaraja is quite correct, what is done at the top, i.e. "gurus" engaging in illicit sex with men, women and children, will percolate down to the entire sub-structure and contaminate the entire ISKCON society in one form or other, and it has. 

Current Western karmi education, which is adopted worldwide, was also developed that way. Newton came first, then other researchers came, then universities with Phd level education, then Masters, Bachelors, high school, secondary school and
finally down to kintergarten. 

PADA: Yep, their illicit sex pooja idea is coming from the top and it is influencing all the other levels. Even the India ICC students are calling me a mleccha because they think their pedophile pooja is bona fide, they have been infected from the top down to them. 

We may also choose to adopt the same standards for top-down development of education for present-day ISKCON. That would mean first producing genuine top ranking Vaishnvas through our temples before we venture into education at other levels. That will be following Srila Prabhupada's personal example, and also his instruction to ISKCON leaders to "boil the milk".

PADA: Oh yeah, we might first of all get some qualified people to instruct children -- before -- we make schools for them. Sign me up! Unfortunately, the current teaching is that their illicit sex guru parampara is bona fide, hence their ICC students are arguing with me that their pedophile pooja is bona fide, and no doubt they will teach that to children. 

3) Srila Prabhupada instructed Bhaktivedanta Institute to offer formal education with degrees at college level. He said it will be for those who have not come to our temples, but he said it will also be for devotees in our temples.

Being science based, it is natural that such education, if properly developed at the top-most research level, will percolate down all the way to kintergarten level. I have adopted this top-down strategy in developing BI in Mumbai and Berkeley which are under my command. It is a more difficult, long-term process, one for sreyas, not preyas. Thus, it has taken me 44 years too.

But it has yielded proper fruits, although not always seen, not always appreciated, and certainly not supported the way Srila Prabhupada wants it to be supported. But the main point is that I have first done international quality research, accepted now by worldwide scholars. This top-down research started in the most fundamental of all sciences, namely physics, and thus will impact ALL other fields of science, engineering, medicine, economics, political science history, philosophy and ultimately theology too. 

This top-down research has then spawned successful Ph.D. and Masters level
education, which international students have graduated from. But these important programs have wihered due to total lack of support and neglect within the movement. We have now have even a full curriculum for contemporary Bachelors degree programs based on Srimad Bhsgavatam, but it is on the drawing table, languishing. 

The Govt of India committee for Science education under the New Educational Policy (NEP 2020) has approached me to write a textbook on science for Grade 6. Our knowledge, developed scientifically in this way can also be eventually taught from kintergarten level.  

Thus, our top-down approach is succeeding. It is based on a new paradigm, that of objective semantic information (OSI), which is the modern term for true Krishna Consciousness knowledge. This important arena of knowledge
generation, which we have developed by Srila Prabhupada's mercy. is very relevant to the process of "causing a revolution in the impious lives of a misdirected civilization".

In conclusion, a proposal to close, not only traditional gurukulas but also the mission schools we have that teach current slaughter house education can be
sanguine and strategic, since it need only be a temporary decision, while we
properly recognize and support and co-opt true top-down education development
underway and revolutionize education, for our temple devotees, for our gurukulas and for the rest of the world at large as well.

Just some thoughts.

Ys. Rasaraja dasa

PADA: Very good. Since the GBC promotes pedophile pooja from the top levels, it will filter down to all the other levels, including the kindergartens.

P.S. A colleague at BI offered this point:

Your second point is the most important. The problem is that without a scientific presentation of Krishna consciousness as you are developing, the teachers in the gurukula are going to have a hard time presenting the modern knowledge without running into fundamental conflicts with the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. Even a simple high school chemistry course will tell students that water can be electrolyzed into hydrogen and oxygen and vice versa but yet Bhagavatam says water is element. Modern Indology disagrees in so many ways to SP's teachings. Thus the gurus in the ISKCON gurukulas need some education themselves before they can teach students.

PADA: Yep, the scholars like Dr Stilson Judah told me my life is in severe danger for exposing their illicit sex guru process. They are turning scholars away en masse, if not frightening them from challenging them.

On Apr 21, 2023 2:11 AM, "Basu Ghosh (das) ACBSP (Baroda - IN)"

<Basu.Ghosh.ACBSP@pamho.net> wrote:

Home Base: ISKCON Baroda

Camp: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

Dear Guru Prasad Maharaj and Prabhus, members of the GBC EC

Namonamaha. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!

Received your message, seen below this, via an email from Jayapataka Maharaj that a couple of devotees forwarded to me, that there is a proposal by 10
GBC members to close all boarding schools in ISKCON.

There is the well known, oft quoted by Srila Prabhupada from Srimad Bhagavatam where Narada Muni instructs Maharaj Yudhistir that boys should live at the residence of the guru, i.e. "gurukula": 

Srimad Bhagavatam 7.12.1

sri-narada uvaca
brahmacari gurukule
vasan danto guror hitam
acaran dasavan nico
gurau sudrdha-sauhrdah

Padapaathaha

sri-naradah uvaca — Sri Narada Muni said; brahmacari — a brahmacari, a

student living at the residence of the guru; gurukule — at the residence of

the guru; vasan — by living; dantah — continuously practicing control of the

senses; guroh hitam — only for the benefit of the guru (not for one’s

personal benefit); acaran — practicing; dasa-vat — very humbly, like a

slave; nicah — submissive, obedient; gurau — unto the spiritual master;

su-drdha — firmly; sauhrdah — in friendship or good will.

Translation

Narada Muni said: A student should practice completely controlling his senses. He should be submissive and should have an attitude of firm friendship for the spiritual master. With a great vow, the brahmacari should live at the gurukula, only for the benefit of the guru.

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gurukule — at the residence of the guru.

It seems that such a proposal did not take into consideration this important verse from the Bhagavatam. What to speak of Srila Prabhupada's express desire that gurukulas be established worldwide.

Srila Prabhupada wrote in the purport to Srimad Bhagavatam 4.12.23:

"What was possible for Dhruva Maharaja is possible for anyone. Any five-year-old child can be trained, and within a very short time his life will become successful by realization of Krsna consciousness. Unfortunately, this training is lacking all over the world. It is necessary for the leaders of the Krsna consciousness movement to start educational institutions in different parts of the world to train children, starting at the age of five years. Thus such children will not become hippies or spoiled children of society; rather, they can all become devotees of the Lord. The face of the world will then change automatically."

It seems to my puny brain that the proposal to close all boarding schools is the proverbial "thowing out the baby with the bathwater"!

The hysteria that has arisen in ISKCON in the wake of the recent revelations and disgrace of the former BVP Swami at Mayapur ought not be the cause of abandoning the instructions of Sri Narada Muni, Srila Prabhupada and the
Srimad Bhagavatam.

Thanks for taking the above into consideration when discussing this subject in the GBC meetings. Hope this meets you well.

dasanudas,

Basu Ghosh Das

Facebook: Basu Ghosh Das

WhatsApp: +91-94260-54308

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Letter PAMHO:33738652 (78 lines) [M1]

From: Internet: "e-Zonal-Secretary"

<e-zonal-secretary@jayapatakaswami.com>

Date: 17-Apr-23 07:11

Attached: 33738652.eml (16118 bytes) "Original email file"

Subject: Ten GBCs who are proposing to close all the boarding schools in ISKCON

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My dear temple presidents,

Please accept my blessings.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Home base: Sri Mayapur Chandrodaya Mandir

Camp: ISKCON Dallas, Texas

Please find the attached letter from ten GBCs who are proposing to close all the boarding schools in ISKCON. But in order to do that, we have to say how many schools we have in ISKCON and which day schools are and which are boarding
schools. And who are the managers of the boarding schools. As This resolution
and the closure would cause what impact?. These are schools which are in the
name of ISKCON or not on ISKCON’s name but you should give the name of the
organization and what its relationship is with ISKCON, legal, not legal but  somehow connected and who funds it, etc. Please send out a letter on the  zonal secretary program to all the temples and ask them who has a school and if  any of the students are sleeping over in the school and all programs which
includes minors (summer camps, if involves Under 18 age devotees), and what the source of funding are the schools registered with ISKCON and how they would be affected by this resolution.

My request to all the respected temple presidents and higher zonal leaders to give report as requested to jpsmobile@gmail.com.

Your well-wisher always,

Jayapataka Swami

JPS/ssdb

Please find the attached letter from ten GBCs who are proposing to close all the boarding schools in ISKCON The EC is requesting the ten devotees who sponsored the proposal to close boarding schools to first research:

- What schools exist in ISKCON TODAY?

- Which "exactly" are boarding schools?

- In contact with each of the school administrations, discover the impact this
resolution will have on their operations:

a. Provide the names and locations of all schools in their zones

b. Inform us which ones are boarding schools

c. Give us contact information for the administrators of those schools.

d. Write to those admins to urge them to cooperate fully with this research.

Please find as below mentioned letter from GBC EC, as well.

Dear GBC Members,

Please accept our humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Due to the strong opinions expressed by GBC members on the proposal to close ISKCON - affiliated boarding schools, we feel the topic requires more
consideration before it can be voted upon. Therefore, we have requested that
prior to the GBC discussion and vote, the group of devotees making this
proposal ascertain exactly which ISKCON-affiliated boarding schools are in
operation and how this proposal will impact them. In addition, we requested
that they consult with those who are operating these schools, particularly
Vrindavan gurukula, and take their concerns into consideration. This will make
for a much more efficient and fruitful discussion with the GBC Body. Once
the above exercise has been completed, the proposal will be presented once
again.

Thank you very much.

Hare Krsna,

Your servants,

Revati Raman Das

Guru Prasad Swami

Tapana Misra Das,

GBC Executive Committee

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PADA: Yep, the top general of Auschwitz for kids project is our main consulting partner. What could go wrong boys and girls? ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com