Sunday, March 27, 2022
Saturday, March 26, 2022
Comments on Ukraine's Situation vs ISKCON's
PADA: Global Kirtan For Ukraine. Good idea, the problem is, ISKCON's Kirtans to save this person / that person / this country / that country / do not seem to have much potency. Or worse, their worship of deviants and pedophile messiahs program is making things worse. Chanting to protect a deviant process is going to make things get worse, and create more illusion -- for example that glorifying deviants will save the planet. No, it will curse the planet.
We are deeply saddened to see the suffering faced by people who are victims of the escalating conflict and humanitarian crisis in Ukraine. The Ukrainian people are in need of our sincere prayers. While we are staying warm and comfortable in our homes with our families, in Ukraine it is getting harder and harder for people to get hot food, shelter, medications, and in some places, even drinking water. Can we help? Yes! What we can do as a community is to gather and chant together, pray for peace and raise funds to help in this time of dire need and desperation. Please join in this collective prayer and donate generously when you book your ticket.
We are doing all we can to support the humanitarian aid efforts of The Lotus Trust team which is committed to helping the impacted people of Ukraine with food and medical supplies.
We are doing all we can to support the humanitarian aid efforts of The Lotus Trust team which is committed to helping the impacted people of Ukraine with food and medical supplies.
There are thousands of people who are leaving Ukraine through the bordering countries including Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Slovakia. There is an immediate need to support people with food and essential items as they enter the neighbouring countries. The Lotus Trust has partnered up with the local ISKCON centres in these countries and is already supplying over 2000 plates a day to the impacted people.
Our immediate focus is to scale the food distribution at the Hungarian and Romanian borders to 10,000 meals a day and support the activity of the Ukrainian humanitarian aid organisations which are working on the ground serving the needs of people in the affected cities in Ukraine.
We are raising an initial amount of £1.2m to support all this activity.
Please join in this collective prayer and donate generously when you book your ticket to help us provide essential humanitarian aid in this unimaginable war.
bit.ly/prayersforukraine
Please join in this collective prayer and donate generously when you book your ticket to help us provide essential humanitarian aid in this unimaginable war.
bit.ly/prayersforukraine
If you are unable to attend to this event, you can still donate via The Lotus Trust website: https://thelotustrust.org/
LOCATION
Sri Krishna Haveli kirtan hall, Bhaktivedanta Manor, WD25 8EZ
[PADA: Well there are going to be a lot of devotee and regular citizen refugees, if these folks can help, bravo. Akshaya Patra is also making kitchens in Poland, finally ISKCON and the ritviks are doing the same thing. Maybe that is a good sign, let us hope so. ys pd]
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While Russia has sought to justify its assault on Ukraine with complaints about NATO's eastward expansion, it has also claimed that foreign actors have encroached on its religious turf in Ukraine — even alleging the United States helped instigate an Eastern Orthodox schism there.
Moscow Patriarch Kirill, head of the Russian Orthodox Church, said both the West and a rival patriarch were “pursuing the same end” of seeking to weaken Russia and “make the brotherly peoples — Russians and Ukrainians — enemies.”
He cited the ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople, who in 2019 formally recognized the independence of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine — in a country where the Moscow Patriarchate claims jurisdiction. The ecumenical patriarch, based in Turkey, is considered “first among equals" among Orthodox patriarchs but, unlike a pope, doesn't have authority beyond his own territory.
In January, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov accused the U.S. of being "directly involved in the ongoing crisis in Orthodoxy" and of having "financed Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople so he could pursue a policy of divide, including in Ukraine."
He didn't offer evidence of such alleged manipulation, though U.S. officials spoke in support of Ukrainians' right to religious self-determination. The majority of Russians and Ukrainians are Orthodox, but the controversy goes deeper than numbers.
Patriarch Kirill is a longtime supporter of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Both have promoted the concept of a “Russian world,” forged in a millennium of shared Orthodox Christian culture in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.
Ukrainians have asserted that they’re a separate people, though related to Russians. But in the run-up to the war, Putin belittled modern Ukraine as an illegitimate Soviet invention. He alleged that Ukrainian Orthodox who remained loyal to Moscow were under threat.
The Russian-world concept forms some of the backdrop to Kirill’s first major wartime sermon, on March 6. He claimed there was a “metaphysical” struggle at stake in Ukraine. He depicted it as a struggle against a foreign liberal establishment purportedly demanding countries hold gay parades as the price of admission to a world of excess consumption and freedom.
[PADA: Ummm, Ukraine is famous for -- gay parades? Therefore, let us burn the whole place to ashes? For starters, you'd have to get rid of San Francisco if you wanted to get rid of the capital city of gay parades. Which is us over here! We are the world's capital of gay parades!
But Sam Brownback, who at the time was the U.S. State Department’s ambassador-at-large for international religious freedom, said the U.S. was supporting Ukrainian self-determination.
“We did have Ukrainian church members and Ukrainian government officials come in and say, ‘We want to establish our own ... church,’” he said in an interview. “We said, ‘That’s good by us, we believe in your own autonomy to structure as you see fit.’ But it’s a church decision, it’s not a decision made by the United States government. We don’t tell the College of Cardinals what pope to pick.”
Moreover, many Ukrainian Orthodox remained in the branch that is loyal to the Moscow Patriarchate. But that loyalty is now breaking down, with many clergy ceasing prayers for Kirill in their public worship in response to his failure to condemn the Russian invasion.
A top representative of Patriarch Bartholomew in the United States denounced Kirill's statements. “Unfortunately, calls for peace from Patriarch Kirill ring hollow when he blesses the invasion of a sovereign nation in the name of an imperialistic notion of ‘Russian World’ that is long dead,'" Archbishop Elpidophoros of Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America said in a statement.
He added that Bartholomew “granted a way forward to the Ukrainian Orthodox that was based in freedom, and we pray that when peace again reigns in their land, they will freely choose their own path forward.”
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Sri Krishna Haveli kirtan hall, Bhaktivedanta Manor, WD25 8EZ
[PADA: Well there are going to be a lot of devotee and regular citizen refugees, if these folks can help, bravo. Akshaya Patra is also making kitchens in Poland, finally ISKCON and the ritviks are doing the same thing. Maybe that is a good sign, let us hope so. ys pd]
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PADA: Top Russian Church Patriarch: Encouraging the war. Is he a bad guy? Well yep. Of course he is, but at the same time the Western Countries in Europe -- in particular -- have been funding Russia all along -- buying billions and billions of dollars of their gas and oil and other products every year, and for decades. And the Western folks knew -- all along -- Russia is going to be using their [European] money to build guns, tanks, missiles, fighter planes, bombs, nuclear subs, if not "the end of the world" bombs and so on.
And the West knew all that and lots more -- and knew that all along -- these weapons are being built, and the West is thus de facto creating these weapons by their financing and funding the weapons builders. And these weapons could easily and eventually be used to kill a lot of people. And in sum -- they knew they were funding their own type of Frankenstein monster.
Even now, some of the Western lands are reluctant to cut off their Russian gas and oil supplies. So the West created its own nemesis, direct or indirect. Yep. We created our own Frankenstein monster, now we cannot control him. Ya think so pilgrims? So there is a lot of blame game going on here, but everyone involved here is a party to the blame. The opium drug makers, the drug dealers, the drug buyers, they are all part of the same system.
Similarly! Some devotees are angry at PADA because I am not promoting their "anti-abortion conservatives" program. One of them sent me a video of an anti-abortion lawyer lecturing in a church, trying to collect funds. And this devotee was upset I would not promote the link. Fine, except, most of the people in that church will then leave the church's sermon on Sunday, and run off to pack out their local Sunday sales at Walmart program, to buy China's products.
And that funds China's economy, where they have 25M abortions per year. We should NOT fund 1M abortions in the USA, but we have no problem funding 25M abortions somewhere else? Is this why Jesus says, "Oh ye hypocrites, sons of vipers." Sorry, if we are funding China, then we are funding their entire process, includes -- huge abortion infrastructure. Of course, not funding abortion is a good idea, but if we want to stop funding it in one place, while funding it in another place, we are committing hypocrisy knowingly.
One Christian minister made a video claiming there are "baby parts" in some of China's pharmacy products. And does he then say -- all of us Christians need to stop funding China henceforward, by buying their products and funding their economy? Ummm, nope. There is no actual detailed and practical plan how to wean the USA off their products being mentioned.
And buying from them also funds China's program of making all sorts of guns, tanks, missiles, nuke subs, atom bombs and so forth. We are against socialism, so we should fund communism, and thus fund their program of abortion, making atom bombs etc? OK this makes no sense either. We are against communism, so let us finance their nuclear subs -- that can wipe us off the map? First of all, develop a consistent argument, then maybe we can present it.
In sum, we cannot blame Russia alone for creating all this mess. Nor can we blame China for hi-jacking our USA economy. These guys had lots of help-mates from the "freedom loving" Western folks -- who all co-opted with their program, and co-opted for decades. So unless the whole process is understood root and branch, we are simply clearing away a few leaves here and there, while not addressing the original root.]
AP NEWS / PETER SMITH
Tue, March 22, 2022While Russia has sought to justify its assault on Ukraine with complaints about NATO's eastward expansion, it has also claimed that foreign actors have encroached on its religious turf in Ukraine — even alleging the United States helped instigate an Eastern Orthodox schism there.
Moscow Patriarch Kirill, head of the Russian Orthodox Church, said both the West and a rival patriarch were “pursuing the same end” of seeking to weaken Russia and “make the brotherly peoples — Russians and Ukrainians — enemies.”
[PADA: Rival religions have to blow each other up. Oh swell! Then we wonder why the mass of people have "little to none" faith in religion. Or so many people blame "religion" as the greatest cause of wars, destruction and death. Hey you guys! You are giving religion a bad name. Ummm, like ISKCON leaders are giving Krishna a bad name.
And now we have the "Rival Patriarch" taking over "my zone." Hee hee, same as the ISKCON "Zonal guru wars" where devotees from Ramesvara's zone were putting sugar in the gas tanks of New Vrndavana vehicles, to ruin their vehicles, to "keep them out of Ramesvara's zone."
Competing gurus and competing patriarchs. This is mundane consciousness. Unfortunately, these "competing religious leaders" can spill their competition over to create huge wars and loss of life. And the GBC's "guru wars" also gutted ISKCON into a burned out ghost town.]
While hardly the only factor in the war, the religious grievance shouldn’t be overlooked, experts say. “You cannot call it a religious war, but it has a religious dimension,” said the Rev. Cyril Hovorun, an Orthodox priest, native of Ukraine and professor of ecclesiology, international relations and ecumenism at University College Stockholm.
Kirill made his comments in reply to a letter from the acting head of the World Council of Churches, who had called on him to “raise up your voice” and mediate with authorities to stop the war in Ukraine. Kirill replied that the war wasn’t the fault of Russian authorities. Instead, he claimed the seeds of the conflict were sown by foreign threats to its borders, both political and religious.
While hardly the only factor in the war, the religious grievance shouldn’t be overlooked, experts say. “You cannot call it a religious war, but it has a religious dimension,” said the Rev. Cyril Hovorun, an Orthodox priest, native of Ukraine and professor of ecclesiology, international relations and ecumenism at University College Stockholm.
Kirill made his comments in reply to a letter from the acting head of the World Council of Churches, who had called on him to “raise up your voice” and mediate with authorities to stop the war in Ukraine. Kirill replied that the war wasn’t the fault of Russian authorities. Instead, he claimed the seeds of the conflict were sown by foreign threats to its borders, both political and religious.
[PADA: OK we need to burn Ukraine to ashes, wipe its whole civilization off the map, bomb unarmed civilians incessantly, and then -- these folks will not be a threat to us. And more importantly, they will accept our church as the only authorized church. OK but the place will be empty? People are going to exodus out of there. And people could not live there -- even if they wanted to, because their city is now a pile of ashes. OH yeah, just like ISKCON.
OK here is the plan, tens of millions of people have to be made homeless; a few million people might have to die; millions of un-accompanied children will be in jeopardy of being taken into children traffic sex cults; reports of starving of millions of people already being made; reports of pregnant women and babies being bombed; reports of kidnaps and rapes are already being made, but so what?
That is what they deserve to get -- for not worshiping -- me! Worship me, or suffer, and die! It is your bad karma if you do not submit to us!
Wait, is that not why Krishna avoids putting these people into the post of His servants in heaven? We have to surrender to -- and serve -- some mundane priest or leader -- or suffer and die, and have our homes burnt to ashes. Right, but who wants to sign up to surrender to such a process? It seems to me Russia is making a permanent alienated dissenting group, oh yeah, just like ISKCON!
Sorry, the invaders will be seen as evil people and the invaded will not happily join the invaders. This plan might have worked to some extent -- before there was massive internet information available worldwide, but it is not working well now. People all over the planet are currently viewing the carnage and -- they are not going to be too impressed.
Ooops! Same problem ISKCON has had! Kick everyone out, burn it to ashes, and we take over! Take over what? Along came the internet, then people began to compare notes on bad ISKCON gurus and bad ISKCON experiences, and voila, a counter process to EXPOSE and defy ISKCON authority has been launched.]
He cited the ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople, who in 2019 formally recognized the independence of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine — in a country where the Moscow Patriarchate claims jurisdiction. The ecumenical patriarch, based in Turkey, is considered “first among equals" among Orthodox patriarchs but, unlike a pope, doesn't have authority beyond his own territory.
In January, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov accused the U.S. of being "directly involved in the ongoing crisis in Orthodoxy" and of having "financed Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople so he could pursue a policy of divide, including in Ukraine."
[PADA: And that is why we have to burn Ukraine to ashes, and bomb their babies in the hospitals? Because they are not going to worship our patriarch?]
He didn't offer evidence of such alleged manipulation, though U.S. officials spoke in support of Ukrainians' right to religious self-determination. The majority of Russians and Ukrainians are Orthodox, but the controversy goes deeper than numbers.
Patriarch Kirill is a longtime supporter of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Both have promoted the concept of a “Russian world,” forged in a millennium of shared Orthodox Christian culture in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.
Ukrainians have asserted that they’re a separate people, though related to Russians. But in the run-up to the war, Putin belittled modern Ukraine as an illegitimate Soviet invention. He alleged that Ukrainian Orthodox who remained loyal to Moscow were under threat.
The Russian-world concept forms some of the backdrop to Kirill’s first major wartime sermon, on March 6. He claimed there was a “metaphysical” struggle at stake in Ukraine. He depicted it as a struggle against a foreign liberal establishment purportedly demanding countries hold gay parades as the price of admission to a world of excess consumption and freedom.
[PADA: Ummm, Ukraine is famous for -- gay parades? Therefore, let us burn the whole place to ashes? For starters, you'd have to get rid of San Francisco if you wanted to get rid of the capital city of gay parades. Which is us over here! We are the world's capital of gay parades!
Fine. Except, we rarely have those type parades -- even here. It is not a big time focus of the society over here. Yes, we do have sometimes gay parades, also Chinese parades, Irish parades, 4th of July parades, Black Lives Matter parades, Football parades, Baseball parades, etc. No need to blow the whole place up, honest!]
Whether such claims by Russian leaders “have credibility or not in the eyes of the world is not of primary importance,” said Catherine Wanner, a Pennsylvania State University professor of history, anthropology and religious studies whose research focuses on the region. "The audience is their own people, the Russian people.”
[PADA: Yep, Russia is not worried about the opinion of others, just the people in their cult. ISKCON has the same track record, we manipulate the news for our flock. OK it works, but only to a limited extent.]
Whether such claims by Russian leaders “have credibility or not in the eyes of the world is not of primary importance,” said Catherine Wanner, a Pennsylvania State University professor of history, anthropology and religious studies whose research focuses on the region. "The audience is their own people, the Russian people.”
[PADA: Yep, Russia is not worried about the opinion of others, just the people in their cult. ISKCON has the same track record, we manipulate the news for our flock. OK it works, but only to a limited extent.]
The U.S. State Department did issue statements of congratulations on the establishment of the independent Orthodox Church of Ukraine. That, plus ongoing dealings with Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, who has met with top U.S. dignitaries, has fueled Russian allegations of a U.S. role in the schism.
But Sam Brownback, who at the time was the U.S. State Department’s ambassador-at-large for international religious freedom, said the U.S. was supporting Ukrainian self-determination.
“We did have Ukrainian church members and Ukrainian government officials come in and say, ‘We want to establish our own ... church,’” he said in an interview. “We said, ‘That’s good by us, we believe in your own autonomy to structure as you see fit.’ But it’s a church decision, it’s not a decision made by the United States government. We don’t tell the College of Cardinals what pope to pick.”
Moreover, many Ukrainian Orthodox remained in the branch that is loyal to the Moscow Patriarchate. But that loyalty is now breaking down, with many clergy ceasing prayers for Kirill in their public worship in response to his failure to condemn the Russian invasion.
A top representative of Patriarch Bartholomew in the United States denounced Kirill's statements. “Unfortunately, calls for peace from Patriarch Kirill ring hollow when he blesses the invasion of a sovereign nation in the name of an imperialistic notion of ‘Russian World’ that is long dead,'" Archbishop Elpidophoros of Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America said in a statement.
He added that Bartholomew “granted a way forward to the Ukrainian Orthodox that was based in freedom, and we pray that when peace again reigns in their land, they will freely choose their own path forward.”
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Associated Press religion coverage receives support through the AP’s collaboration with The Conversation US, with funding from Lilly Endowment Inc. The AP is solely responsible for this content.
[PADA: Yep, people are going to choose their own path. You can try to bend them artificially, force them to worship the Patriarch or bogus GBC guru, but it won't last. ys pd]
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Every man is engaged in sacrificing his interests for others, either in the form of family, society, community, country or the entire human society. But perfection of such sacrifices is attained when they are performed for the sake of the Supreme Person, the Lord. Because the Lord is the proprietor of everything, because the Lord is the friend of all living creatures, and because He is the maintainer of the performer of sacrifice, as well as the supplier of the ingredients of sacrifices, it is He only and no one else who should be satisfied by all sacrifices.
The whole world is engaged in sacrificing energy for advancement of learning, social upliftment, economic development and plans for total improvement of the human condition, but no one is interested in sacrificing for the sake of the Lord, as it is advised in the Bhagavad-gītā. Therefore, there is no peace in the world. If men at all want peace in the world, they must practice sacrifice in the interest of the supreme proprietor and friend of all.
—- Excerpt taken from Srila Prabhupāda’s Purport on 2.6.28
Creating "smell of dead bodies" For Miles.
OK, like a Hamburger Restaurant?
[PADA: Tulsi Gabbard weighs in, sort of, but she gives us no clear idea / path how to get all these folks out of this mess. Most people are not mentioning how all this was enabled by funding and financing from the West.]
Thursday, March 24, 2022
ISKCON GBC -- Knew Or Didn't?
PADA: This always amazes me. We are systematically banned, beaten, exiled, chased with baseball bats, sued, harassed, blocked, had our papers ripped up a festivals, sometimes us "dissenters" are assassinated -- and then we were told by several big leaders to sue them in court for the molesting (which happened with a $400,000,000 lawsuit). And then the GBC folks keep saying "we did not know the extent" of what we have been complaining about? Umm, what? How does that make any sense? Even the general public knew in 1980 that Berkeley temple was a criminal operation posing as a religion, because the temple had been raided by a SWAT team for stolen credit cards, stealing vehicles, selling illegal guns, Hansadutta had a machine gun in the trunk of his car, Hansadutta had been spotted many times at local liquor shops buying peppermint schnaps, a pile of C-4 explosives was found at the farm (next to a hot wood stove), a child had been shot through the hand by Hansadutta's wild shooting around the farm, etc. and so on, and this was in all the newspapers? The GBC "did not know" -- but everyone else did know? And one GBC man told me, "we know more than you ever will know, you only know the tip of the iceberg." Sorry, they "know" and they know more than me. ys pd
GD: The child who was shot is my older sister. She wasn’t shot by Hansadutta but by another devotee who was cleaning a gun and it discharged and the bullet went through a wall where my sister was outside looking at a bee sting on her hand. The bullet went through her hand and her shoulder and then through the wall behind her (she was standing in between two trailers). The gun was a .357 Magnum which my dad hung on to for years afterwards.
PADA: Yep ok, cleaning a loaded gun, that is going to end well! The cow that was shot when a bullet came down into the neighbor's cow was from Hansadutta, or whom? And the guy who was arrested for the C-4 said that it was being stored by a hot stove and he had said - not do to that.
"h) The local GBC man (or men) are directly responsible to implement the measures outlined above. Should the GBC Body find a GBC man or other ISKCON manager responsible for suppressing or covering-up complaints of child abuse, or supporting intimidation of those who might complain, the GBC man shall be open to censure or probation, and the ISKCON manager shall be open to appropriate disciplinary action." https://gbc.iskcon.org/1990
Thank you,
SD
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PADA: Mukunda Maharaja was the GBC's liaison on the phone with me and Sulochana over the New Vrndavana molesting program. Mukunda sided with Kirtanananda and in March 1986 he helped have Sulochana formally excommunicated and branded as a person "making offenses to a great Vaishnava like Kirtanananda." And Sulochana said "they painted a bull's eye on my back, they will kill me now." And a few months later, Sulochana was assassinated. I was with Sulochana a number of times on these phone calls to Mukunda Maharaja. Mukunda Maharaja also avoided my letters of complaints about the child molesting -- all along. He was getting constant letters and reports of all types of problems being sent to him all the time, and his secretary said he just tossed those complaint letters in the trash, saying "I have a career to protect." ys pd
RSD: Bloody hell! That's a horrible thing to have to read. I don't doubt anything you say. What I struggle with is these devotees have had the intimate association with Srila Prabhupad, followed the programme, chanted their rounds, eaten Prasad etc... How is it that they can't see the error of their ways? I find it dumbfounding and makes me question so much.
G Pd: Yes, really these things happened, I was there I knew these people, who knows why, may be they were under the threat of death or something, but all this bad stuff happened, all the older devotees and children know about or experianced this stuff. Its like this can you believe the local priest in your local church is doing very bad life changing things to young boys, we see this happening in the news and people going to jail for it, it happens in iskcon too, why not, it is the material world after all.
GD: The child who was shot is my older sister. She wasn’t shot by Hansadutta but by another devotee who was cleaning a gun and it discharged and the bullet went through a wall where my sister was outside looking at a bee sting on her hand. The bullet went through her hand and her shoulder and then through the wall behind her (she was standing in between two trailers). The gun was a .357 Magnum which my dad hung on to for years afterwards.
PADA: Yep ok, cleaning a loaded gun, that is going to end well! The cow that was shot when a bullet came down into the neighbor's cow was from Hansadutta, or whom? And the guy who was arrested for the C-4 said that it was being stored by a hot stove and he had said - not do to that.
I also helped save Hansadutta from being killed when the husband of one of the ladies he was having sex with wanted to go kill him. Basically, all the Berkeley cops knew this was a criminal program, and they were very upset when I later refused to go into FBI witness protection and move to Kansas. The police told me "these guys are going to kill you." Meanwhile, the kids were being told Hansadutta is a pure devotee and they have to worship him to go back to God. That is child abuse in itself "corrupting the morals of minors." ys pd
SD: The GBC members involved in the original investigation in 1993 had drastically minimized the details, to the point where Tamohara said it was almost unrecognizable from what actually happened. There were 7 people on the original 1993 sub-committee to investigate Lokanath's child molestation. That means that 20 some members on the GBC did not know about the details.
TB: PADA, I'm sorry, but I know people you lived with out here in Berkeley and they have told me that you're just straight up lying on so many of these things. Hansadutta did some bad, but he's the only one of the 11 to ask forgiveness and preach Rtvik. You took part in the Gopi Bhava club, but constantly cry about Srila Naryana Maharaj, when he is who helped you guys down there in LA with that.
[PADA: OK almost none of us even knew who Narayan Maharaja was in the 1970s. He only emerged later when he became the rasika teacher of the GBC, mainly in the 1980s. Your pal Hansadutta was also going to Sridhara Maharaja all along up to maybe 1985, and Hansadutta and Sridhara were introducing the idea that conditioned souls can become acharyas. You are confusing me with your party. The sahajiyas make artificial gurus.]
SD: The GBC members involved in the original investigation in 1993 had drastically minimized the details, to the point where Tamohara said it was almost unrecognizable from what actually happened. There were 7 people on the original 1993 sub-committee to investigate Lokanath's child molestation. That means that 20 some members on the GBC did not know about the details.
TB: PADA, I'm sorry, but I know people you lived with out here in Berkeley and they have told me that you're just straight up lying on so many of these things. Hansadutta did some bad, but he's the only one of the 11 to ask forgiveness and preach Rtvik. You took part in the Gopi Bhava club, but constantly cry about Srila Naryana Maharaj, when he is who helped you guys down there in LA with that.
[PADA: OK almost none of us even knew who Narayan Maharaja was in the 1970s. He only emerged later when he became the rasika teacher of the GBC, mainly in the 1980s. Your pal Hansadutta was also going to Sridhara Maharaja all along up to maybe 1985, and Hansadutta and Sridhara were introducing the idea that conditioned souls can become acharyas. You are confusing me with your party. The sahajiyas make artificial gurus.]
TB: Some of the things you are saying are true yes he was involved in some criminal activity but at least he wasn't raping children like the other 11 now I have to question why you focus on the one who is asked for forgiveness and he preached Rtvik, which you say you follow. Why aren't you going after the other 11 at all? The ones who really molested kids it seems you're just so upset about what happened to you
PADA: But Hansadutta was supporting the regime that was abusing children? I did not hit you, my stick did? And Hansadutta was having sex with followers, which Srila Prabhupada says is like a father having incest with his own daughter. In other words, it is a form of rape. Why are you excusing incestuous rapes could be the real question? In 1986 Hansadutta declared that Kirtanananda is the only pure devotee on the planet and everyone needs to go to New Vrndavana.
PADA: But Hansadutta was supporting the regime that was abusing children? I did not hit you, my stick did? And Hansadutta was having sex with followers, which Srila Prabhupada says is like a father having incest with his own daughter. In other words, it is a form of rape. Why are you excusing incestuous rapes could be the real question? In 1986 Hansadutta declared that Kirtanananda is the only pure devotee on the planet and everyone needs to go to New Vrndavana.
And lest we forget, that is what the GBC ilk said all along "you are a liar." Notice, none of them came into Dallas court, including Hansadutta, or Narayan Maharaja who was hanging out in Texas with Tamal, when we had them sued and "proved" I was a liar?
Hansadutta was having sex with a number of followers. According to Srila Prabhupada, a guru having sex with a follower is the same as a father having sex with his daughter. Hansadutta was going to be killed by his own disciple for having sex with the wife of a follower. I saved his life by helping stop that husband from killing him. And you want to discuss gopi bhava?
And then Hansadutta sent all of his people to New Vrndavana, and he sent back three of his guys to Berkeley to "take care of me." He would have had me killed, except the police were tapping their phones and they arrested the Hansadutta goondas -- and they did come here to "get me" because they admitted that to the police after they were arrested.
Sorry, Hansadutta was an ISKCON leader. It is his job as a leader to look after all of ALL of the children everywhere in the society. Instead, he sent even Berkeley's children to worship Kirtanananda, and have them embroiled in the New Vrndavana mess. I am upset with what happened to myself? Well maybe, but also upset what happened to the children, and Hansadutta was making children worship deviants, including himself.
That is not ONLY me being upset with what happened to me, but I should not be upset with what happened to me also? Why should I be happy being chased with baseball bats? Yep, all the people who said I am a liar enabled this whole mess, even the police told me that. ys pd
GP: #transparency is key
TB: PADA Bro, I know so many people who have known you since you joined the movement, people you have lived with. You aren't gonna get over on me. Nice goal post moving, can you discuss anything without employing logical fallacies?
GP: #transparency is key
TB: PADA Bro, I know so many people who have known you since you joined the movement, people you have lived with. You aren't gonna get over on me. Nice goal post moving, can you discuss anything without employing logical fallacies?
You didn't cry about Srila Narayana Maharaja when he taught you about such things, and you were in the Gopi Bhava club. What someone else did, doesn't make what you did go away. You're a liar, and a coward. Why couldn't you ever protect yourself, but had to call the cops constantly?
[PADA: OK so I was being threatened with death, and thus -- should have not sought police protection. Because, you guys are going to protect me instead? Sorry, you guys could not do anything to save me, the cops had to do that job. Meanwhile devotees are being banned, beaten, molested, sued and assassinated -- because none of you guys wanted to call the cops. Nice job there! OK lets us allow people to be banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed, but we should not call in law enforcement to help the problem? OK that is how you guys ilk enable these problems, and still are.]
You talk about Kshatriyas so much, so why don't YOU stand up?
[PADA: How come me, or someone else, has to stand up and be a kshatriya, but not you? When are you going to stand up and fix things? Why does everyone want to volunteer me for the job? Hee hee! Where are you standing up and fixing things, send me a video of you doing that, and we will post it.]
TB: You are just trying to get fame for yourself, using kids who were hurt, like you really cared about them. Tell me, if you did, why did you do absolutely nothing to help any? You didn't care about any of those kids, it's clear. You've always made lies. You didn't sue ISKCON yourself. So much of what you've said is a provable lie.
[PADA: OK well at least we did something. I still cannot see what you have done all along, or are doing now? And! Satya called me and wrote to me to promote and publish her story. And then she thanked me for helping her (and we posted her thank you letter on our site).
[PADA: How come me, or someone else, has to stand up and be a kshatriya, but not you? When are you going to stand up and fix things? Why does everyone want to volunteer me for the job? Hee hee! Where are you standing up and fixing things, send me a video of you doing that, and we will post it.]
TB: You are just trying to get fame for yourself, using kids who were hurt, like you really cared about them. Tell me, if you did, why did you do absolutely nothing to help any? You didn't care about any of those kids, it's clear. You've always made lies. You didn't sue ISKCON yourself. So much of what you've said is a provable lie.
[PADA: OK well at least we did something. I still cannot see what you have done all along, or are doing now? And! Satya called me and wrote to me to promote and publish her story. And then she thanked me for helping her (and we posted her thank you letter on our site).
She did not call you, and I would argue, she probably has no idea who you are even. You are an armchair warrior, trying to advise the other warriors, but even Satya is a better warrior than you, she came out and did something. She has stood up to fight more than you, everyone knows about her battling the bad guys, no one even heard of your battle?
We have also posted hundreds of other ISKCON victims letters over the years, and many victims thanked me for giving them a voice. My sites are full of hundreds of testimonies from victims who -- wrote me -- sent me their story -- to give them a voice. And many of them thanked me for giving them a voice, and we keep getting more and more testimonies even today to publish all the time. First of all, show us how you are doing something similar in helping victims -- then we can compare from there.
And as far as calling me "a liar," that is what the Dallas courts told me is the process that -- enables child abuse. Now you are advising we should allow crimes and not call the police constantly. OK and that is how all these crimes have been going on left, right and center, no one called the cops. And you are still giving people that advice, same advice Hansadutta gave, avoid the police? That enabled all these crimes .... includes molesting. ys pd
TB: Why don't you get her to come testify then?
TB: Why don't you get her to come testify then?
[PADA: Why don't you do something, or get others to get something done? Why are you always volunteering me to do everything, while you guys don't do anything even noticed on the radar.]
TB: It's the only thing that's gonna really get him gone. I stood up against him at the Ratha Yatra. Look you can talk about stuff all you want, but when you are a hypocrite a bunch, don't expect to not get called out. Just like with your hatred of the Traditional lines, you didn't mind quoting Narayana Maharaj there...
[PADA: Oh yeah. I should depend on the parivar tradition Gaudiya lines, the people like you, that wanted me to allow all the banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinations to take place without me calling the cops. Why would I follow anything you folks have to say on any topic? I'd be dead following this advice for starters. Without back up from the police, I'd be dead a long time ago. How does that fix things?]
I'm saying a man should handle his business himself and not run away to the cops. What did it do? Nothing... it stopped absolutely nothing. Sometimes a man has to break the secular laws to fix a problem, Srila Prabhupada said that even. I'm all for calling the cops for abuse. Once again please don't employ goal post moving. Using logical fallacies is abusive, and not a quality of a devotee...
PADA: Wait? I am supposed to allow children to be molested, without getting help from the police in my efforts to expose the molesting? Just like we helped Satya expose hers? I disagree. We should seek help, either from the police or anyone else who can assist -- to give the victims a voice, as we have done all along.
[PADA: Oh yeah. I should depend on the parivar tradition Gaudiya lines, the people like you, that wanted me to allow all the banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinations to take place without me calling the cops. Why would I follow anything you folks have to say on any topic? I'd be dead following this advice for starters. Without back up from the police, I'd be dead a long time ago. How does that fix things?]
I'm saying a man should handle his business himself and not run away to the cops. What did it do? Nothing... it stopped absolutely nothing. Sometimes a man has to break the secular laws to fix a problem, Srila Prabhupada said that even. I'm all for calling the cops for abuse. Once again please don't employ goal post moving. Using logical fallacies is abusive, and not a quality of a devotee...
PADA: Wait? I am supposed to allow children to be molested, without getting help from the police in my efforts to expose the molesting? Just like we helped Satya expose hers? I disagree. We should seek help, either from the police or anyone else who can assist -- to give the victims a voice, as we have done all along.
And that is why there are hundreds of victim's accounts on our sites, including Satya's. Others who have exposed the molesting also got threatened, and we advised them to seek help from the police as well.
In any case, we have published testimonies from probably hundreds of victims on our sites over the years, including Satya's, and that has had a lot of impact on a lot of people. I was just on a conference call with maybe 350 devotees from around the world, and they were asking all kinds of good questions, including, "what about the child molesting"?
Sorry, there are a lot of people being impacted by all this and our readership is steadily increasing on all these issues, our conference call audience is growing, and so on. My policy is to give a voice to the victims, and it is helping the situation by -- educating people. Telling people to not go to the police when they are being threatened with violence is simply not a good policy in my opinion, rather -- a devotee has the right to defend himself by whatever means they can obtain, including help from the police, and we advise others to do the same. I am also currently being consulted on a few other professional books being written now as we speak, and I am helping a college student write a paper on this topic etc.
So people are interested and it is having an impact. Hansadutta had a policy of telling his people not to call the police, that is not mine, and that is why I am alive to tell the tale. The police arrested the GBC hit man who was "doing surveillance" on me, because the police were "doing surveillance" on him -- which is why I am now alive to even have this discussion.
Now you know why I cannot take shelter of your Gaudiya Parivar Line, they have no practical idea how to deal with all this. Worse, the idea I should not get help from the police is a fatal idea, the people following that advice -- will very likely die. Neither does that solve the issue of all the crimes going on.
ys pd
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Dear GBC members,
As you are discussing Lokanath's child molestation case, I wanted to share some relevant information.
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Dear GBC members,
As you are discussing Lokanath's child molestation case, I wanted to share some relevant information.
This is testimony from a man who was on padayatra as a child with Lokanath.
"in 1995 after leaving the 4 dharm yatra padayatra team. I told a friend that I was sexually assaulted by two devotees on the team. she informed lokanath maharaj of what I'd told her and in response he bribed me 2500 rupees for silence. statting that I would damage srila prabhupads legacy's if I mentioned it to anyone. this is the first time since then I've said anything."
"in 1995 after leaving the 4 dharm yatra padayatra team. I told a friend that I was sexually assaulted by two devotees on the team. she informed lokanath maharaj of what I'd told her and in response he bribed me 2500 rupees for silence. statting that I would damage srila prabhupads legacy's if I mentioned it to anyone. this is the first time since then I've said anything."
Earlier, in 1993, this man's sister was on padayatra and was sexually assaulted by one of Lokanath's disciples. When she told the disciple that she was going to tell his guru Lokanath, he laughed in her face. From the woman:
"I was molested on Padayatra and told my dad how his disciple said Lokanath would protect him, and the abuser had done worse to others."
I have shared this information with the ISKCON Child Protection Office. Both brother and sister are willing to cooperate with an investigation.
Would this 1990 GBC Resolution be applicable?
Would this 1990 GBC Resolution be applicable?
"h) The local GBC man (or men) are directly responsible to implement the measures outlined above. Should the GBC Body find a GBC man or other ISKCON manager responsible for suppressing or covering-up complaints of child abuse, or supporting intimidation of those who might complain, the GBC man shall be open to censure or probation, and the ISKCON manager shall be open to appropriate disciplinary action." https://gbc.iskcon.org/1990
Thank you,
SD
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PADA: Mukunda Maharaja was the GBC's liaison on the phone with me and Sulochana over the New Vrndavana molesting program. Mukunda sided with Kirtanananda and in March 1986 he helped have Sulochana formally excommunicated and branded as a person "making offenses to a great Vaishnava like Kirtanananda." And Sulochana said "they painted a bull's eye on my back, they will kill me now." And a few months later, Sulochana was assassinated. I was with Sulochana a number of times on these phone calls to Mukunda Maharaja. Mukunda Maharaja also avoided my letters of complaints about the child molesting -- all along. He was getting constant letters and reports of all types of problems being sent to him all the time, and his secretary said he just tossed those complaint letters in the trash, saying "I have a career to protect." ys pd
RSD: Bloody hell! That's a horrible thing to have to read. I don't doubt anything you say. What I struggle with is these devotees have had the intimate association with Srila Prabhupad, followed the programme, chanted their rounds, eaten Prasad etc... How is it that they can't see the error of their ways? I find it dumbfounding and makes me question so much.
G Pd: Yes, really these things happened, I was there I knew these people, who knows why, may be they were under the threat of death or something, but all this bad stuff happened, all the older devotees and children know about or experianced this stuff. Its like this can you believe the local priest in your local church is doing very bad life changing things to young boys, we see this happening in the news and people going to jail for it, it happens in iskcon too, why not, it is the material world after all.
The ISKCON Guru Appointment is "A Myth." (VIDEO)
PADA: Correct. Srila Prabhupada never appointed 1, or 11, or any gurus. Nor did he say that he would appoint gurus who would later -- vote in more gurus. The people who created the false guru system in ISKCON are the GBC, and their assistants like Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja and others.
Followers of Narayan Maharaja recently sent out this video, where Radhanath is glorifying Narayan Maharaja. Of course, the top generals in Kirtanananda's pedophile guru regime pat each other on the back. And the result of their pedophile guru process is, hundreds or even thousands of ISKCON's kids were abused if not molested. And Narayan Maharaja was hanging out with Tamal in Texas, and with Radhanath and -- really the whole gang of molester messiah's club leaders. And NM was hugging Kirtanananda. What could go wrong pilgrims?
So the GBC appointed deviants and even pedophiles as their gurus, and then their "shastra advisors" backed up their process. However, no one was ever appointed as guru from square one, so their whole house of cards collapses as soon as we dismantle the original "big lie" that 11 successors were appointed. ys pd
Wednesday, March 23, 2022
Tuesday, March 22, 2022
ISKCON's Lokanatha Swami Problem Persisting (IRM)
Bhakti Vikas Swami:
To have pedophiles in the parampara is as common as houseflies in June.
We have pedophiles in the parampara on a regular basis.
Any questions? Ask my India ICC buddies!
Badrinarayan Maharaja:
You'll have to qualify yourself to find a guru in ISKCON.
First qualification? You'll need to want to worship our
illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara.
Indradyumna swami addresses Ukraine crisis!
By chatting with the girls and ladies in Laguna Beach.
Any questions?
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GBC Politics Case Study
IRM
Back To Prabhupada, Issue 70, Vol 3, 2021
In the last issue (back page), we reported that ISKCON's North American Leadership Council ("NAC") had stated that one of their "good as God" GBC voted-in diksa gurus, HH Lokanath Swami ("LOK"), had engaged in "an incident of sexual abuse of a minor that occurred in the Eastern United States in 1990" (NAC statement, 8/5/21).
We will see that the GBC's handling of this incident acts as a case study to illustrate how the GBC operates. All emphases added.
Let us close it
The above statement from the NAC added that in regards to this incident:
"the international GBC body made a good faith effort at the time to investigate and respond to this case of child sexual abuse and placed some restrictions and mandates in place over his [LOK's] activities."
These "restrictions" involved a suspension from initiating whilst this investigation, which began in 1993, was going on. By 1996, the GBC concluded that, despite such behaviour, LOK should still be allowed to continue operating as a "good as God" diksa guru, since they viewed the incident as being "accidental" rather than "sexual abuse"*. Thus, they considered that the incident had been fully and properly dealt with, and the matter was closed.
We will have to open it
The situation officially remained as just described for 25 years. However, the same 8/5/21 NAC statement admitted there had suddenly been "a great deal of recent discussion on the Internet and social media" regarding this "incident of sexual abuse of a minor". And that the GBC suddenly decided to act:
"The NAC requested that the Lokanath Swami case be turned over to the International Child Protection Office [ICPO] [...] The GBC EC has agreed and the case has been turned over to the ICPO."
The ICPO had been in existence since 1998, yet the GBC had never handed the case over to them until now. And, 4 days later, the GBC took further action by suspending LOK from initiating anywhere in the world.*
We would have kept it closed
Thus, as noted:
a) The GBC had not taken any public action regarding this incident for 25 years.
b) The GBC had not referred the case to the ICPO for 23 years.
And, hence, the action appears to have been prompted only by the recent social media campaign mentioned by the NAC statement, as the statement then also went on to describe the ICPO action being taken. It means that, had it not been for this recent social media campaign, there is no reason to presume that the GBC would ever have acted, and the matter would have remained officially closed, as it has for the last 25 years, permanently!
Let us try to close it again
However, within days of the GBC deciding to act, ISKCON's Indian Continental Committee ("ICC"), which consists of ISKCON India's leaders, issued a resolution expressing their "full support to Lokanath Swami" and demanding that "the GBC reverse their unfair decisions", one of which was opening an investigation into LOK again (ICC resolution published 14/5/21). Consequently, on 21/7/21, the GBC Executive Committee announced a capitulation:
"there is heated debate whether or not the Lokanath Swami's case should go to the Child Protection Office [...] The GBC decided that a skilled and experienced Panel must first clarify the broader issues involved [...] and then recommend what the next step will be. [...] ISKCON India leadership has also been invited to nominate two devotees for inclusion in the panel."
Thus, having just turned over the case to the ICPO after 23 years, the GBC took the case back from the ICPO following the ICC's complaint. It has instead formed a "panel" that will recommend to the GBC what should happen next, if anything, after which the GBC can still decide to reject this recommendation and take another, or no, course of action!
Hence, the GBC has already been bounced into reversing its position twice due to outside pressure, and what action it will take next will no doubt depend on whoever manages to bring the most pressure to bear!
Not a diksa guru
Not a diksa guru
In 2010, referring to the incident, LOK signed a letter admitting that he "sexually abused her" and "touched her private part"*. A leading defender of LOK on the ICC, Basu Ghosh Dasa ("BGD"), alleges that LOK only signed this letter because "men on the GBC compelled him to sign" (28/8/21)*. If BGD's allegation is true, then it means that:
a) LOK will sign any untruthful nonsense he is told to sign.
b) In asking LOK to sign the letter, the GBC however appear to believe that LOK did engage in sexual abuse, and indeed the GBC has not opposed the NAC stating this.
If BGD's allegation is not true, then it means that LOK agrees he engaged in sexual abuse of a minor. Thus, LOK is either a liar or a sexual abuser – neither of which is a qualification taught by Srila Prabhupada for being the "good as God" diksa guru LOK claims to be.
Guru hoax parallel
This affair started with the GBC deciding that LOK's behaviour still meant he was a "good as God" diksa guru. And the GBC's conduct since then, as documented above, has simply been flip-flopping based on political considerations. There is a parallel here with the GBC's flip-flopping involving the guru hoax (see the articles on pages 6-7, 13,14 and 15):
a) The GBC first claimed that the diksa gurus in ISKCON had been appointed by Srila Prabhupada (see GBC Resolution 16, 19/3/78).
b) Then, due to pressure from others who wanted to become diksa gurus, the GBC admitted that the original appointed diksa guru system was false and instead invented a voting diksa guru system, whereby anyone who got a majority vote approval could become a diksa guru (see 'An Apology', Back To Godhead #25-01, 1991, and GBC Resolution 3, 30/3/86).
Conclusion
This affair is just a reminder of how, whether it is the guru hoax or any other matter, the GBC operates based on politics rather than Srila Prabhupada's orders.
* To read the documents these statements are based on, please visit: www.iskconirm.com/lok
Return to Lokanath Swami Index
a) LOK will sign any untruthful nonsense he is told to sign.
b) In asking LOK to sign the letter, the GBC however appear to believe that LOK did engage in sexual abuse, and indeed the GBC has not opposed the NAC stating this.
If BGD's allegation is not true, then it means that LOK agrees he engaged in sexual abuse of a minor. Thus, LOK is either a liar or a sexual abuser – neither of which is a qualification taught by Srila Prabhupada for being the "good as God" diksa guru LOK claims to be.
Guru hoax parallel
This affair started with the GBC deciding that LOK's behaviour still meant he was a "good as God" diksa guru. And the GBC's conduct since then, as documented above, has simply been flip-flopping based on political considerations. There is a parallel here with the GBC's flip-flopping involving the guru hoax (see the articles on pages 6-7, 13,14 and 15):
a) The GBC first claimed that the diksa gurus in ISKCON had been appointed by Srila Prabhupada (see GBC Resolution 16, 19/3/78).
b) Then, due to pressure from others who wanted to become diksa gurus, the GBC admitted that the original appointed diksa guru system was false and instead invented a voting diksa guru system, whereby anyone who got a majority vote approval could become a diksa guru (see 'An Apology', Back To Godhead #25-01, 1991, and GBC Resolution 3, 30/3/86).
Conclusion
This affair is just a reminder of how, whether it is the guru hoax or any other matter, the GBC operates based on politics rather than Srila Prabhupada's orders.
* To read the documents these statements are based on, please visit: www.iskconirm.com/lok
Return to Lokanath Swami Index
Christians VS Meat Eating and Wars (SPL)
Religion / Animal Slaughter / Wars
You should know that as far as our Krishna Consciousness movement goes, we are better Christians than those who proclaim that they are following the orders of Christ. This is because we are following and generally they are not. Just like the 10 Commandments order that thou should not kill. But these so-called Christians are performing so much killing by meat-eating and wars.
So how are they good Christians? You may ask them this in your meetings and try to convince them of their position. Also, we do not commit adultery, we do not take the Name of God in vain, in fact we practice that the Name of God is just as good as God. So according to the 10 Commandments, nobody is Christian, but in our own way we are following the principles of the 10 Commandments strictly. So I think you may explain to them how this Krishna Consciousness movement will help them advance to be better Christians. (Letter to: Upendra - 68-12-02).
"DO NOT BE FOOLED INTO TAKING SIDES"
"DO NOT BE FOOLED INTO TAKING SIDES"
When the British took over the Indian government and made India a British colony, there was outrage among the Hindus. Gandhi formed a resistance movement. Students took to the streets and dropped out of university in protest. The British then recruited Indian soldiers.
Prabhupada: "They were maintaining British Empire with Indian money, Indian men. You see? They did not conquer by their British soldiers all round the Far East, Burma and the Mesopotamia, and the Egypt. That was Indian army, the Sikh soldiers and the Gurkha soldiers, and Indian money.
However, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja refused to take sides. He simply preached that we are eternal spiritual beings and have nothing to do with the dualities of this world. Chandra Bose came to the temple and asked Srila Bhaktisiddhanta if he could not send the devotees to war to liberate India?
He came to my Guru Maharaja that "So many people, you have captured them. They are doing nothing for nationalism." [Because they worship Krishna].
Thus Guru Maharaja said, "Well, for your national propaganda you require very strong men, but these [devotee] people are very weak. You can see. They are very skinny. So don't put your glance upon them. Let them eat something and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." He avoided like that."
Monday, March 21, 2022
Nooran Sisters Sufi Bhajan (VIDEO)
[PADA: Sounds like a kirtan? These songs are called "qawwali" and are meant to evoke loving feelings towards the Supreme Being. I kinda like it. Thanks to V Dasa for sending me this link.
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I do recall my once working as a security guard where I was at an African America "religious revival concert." Those folks were singing very loudly, stomping their feet, and glorifying God, and I was stomping and singing along with them.
It is sometimes a good idea to see that other people are experiencing a relationship with God in their own religion, and there is no actual monopoly held by any particular group. Anyway, check them out. ys pd]
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As a musical genre, qawwali is closely linked to the Hindustani classical tradition of the Asian subcontinent. It draws from the same pool of melodic frameworks (ragas) and metric patterns (talas) as classical India music, and it uses a formal structure similar to that of the khayal song genre.
Like khayal, qawwali performances feature a mixture of evenly paced metric refrains and rhythmically flexible solo vocal improvisations, which make extensive use of melisma (singing of more than one pitch to a single syllable).
Moreover, a significant portion of any performance is built from traditional solomization syllables (syllables assigned to specific pitches or sounds) and other vocables (syllables without linguistic meaning). It is during the improvisational sections—particularly within fast-paced passages called tarana—that the lead qawwal engages with and responds to the listeners, elevating them to a state of spiritual ecstacy through ever intensifying, accelerating repetitions of especially evocative phrases. This interaction between the lead singer and the audience is central to any successful qawwali performance.
Sunday, March 20, 2022
Cursed Food / Black Magic / Cancer Epidemic
Worshiping Child Exploiters Expands
Child Exploiting
Generally, she says it is well known that in the "dark arts" witch's program -- one way to harass an opponent -- or make ill -- or even kill -- an opponent is, to contaminate their food by making it into an offering to evil, or Satan. Of course in Russia they just put radioactive materials in dissenter's food to take them down, same principle, harming the opponent by contaminating what that person is ingesting. And Putana the witch was poisoning babies, to kill them.
She thinks, the GBC / Gaudiya Matha / Narayan Maharaja / Rupanuga types of people have been making ISKCON folks (especially the children) eat food -- first of all offered to -- and blessed by -- their pedophile gurus / messiahs club as a plan. She says, this is how witches would put evil spells on people, making them eat contaminated eatables -- offered to Satan. She said her studies show that sometimes Voodoo witches have been known to have opponents killed sometimes in minutes -- by casting dark spells and basically bringing forth the powers of evil.
Gathering Babies As An Offering to Satan
She thinks, the GBC / Gaudiya Matha / Narayan Maharaja / Rupanuga types of people have been making ISKCON folks (especially the children) eat food -- first of all offered to -- and blessed by -- their pedophile gurus / messiahs club as a plan. She says, this is how witches would put evil spells on people, making them eat contaminated eatables -- offered to Satan. She said her studies show that sometimes Voodoo witches have been known to have opponents killed sometimes in minutes -- by casting dark spells and basically bringing forth the powers of evil.
Overall, the dark arts witch would cast a dark spell on the food first of all -- and infect the victims with the spell by making them eat the contaminated and cursed food. What better way to contaminate and curse food other than -- first offering the food to deviants and pedophiles -- to --pedophile-ize the food.
And she believes there is a Satanic cult behind much of these policies in ISKCON, and they are well aware that they are making people consume contaminated eatables, as a means of controlling the flock, and making them sympathetic to the core cadre. She said this explains why almost no one ever calls the police on the ISKCON molesting or other crimes, the victims have been put into a compliant / sleep-like / trance state of consciousness -- where they are unable to resist the cabal -- because they are eating their cursed foodstuffs.
We personally know one devotee in Mayapur who ate a sweet ball that supposedly had a tantric curse on it. When he came back to the USA he had stomach pains, and they found a blackish root was growing in his stomach -- and that root was as hard as iron. That root was surgically taken out, but re-grew and needed more surgery several times. Cursed or poisoned food has been used for centuries, and even Bhima was given poisoned food 5,000 years ago.
This lady thinks that has been the real program going on with the GBC's / Gaudiya Matha's / NM's / Rupanuga's program the whole time, to contaminate the mass of ISKCON people by making them eat contaminated food offered to criminals -- if not pedophiles. A burnt offering to evil -- will make the people eating that offering suffer by being contaminated with that evil. And that will spread the evil. Makes sense.
And she thinks it is working good for them, since many of their people are still worshiping pedophiles like Lokanath swami. They contaminated the whole society by getting people into eating their pedo-phile-ized food. She is evidently right. And she says further, the fact that so many people are eating pedophile-ized food in and around ISKCON, that also explains why so many devotees are getting cancer.
Food that is offered to demons will have a negative effect on a person's mental and physical health. And in fact, it can kill them. Even Narayan Maharaja got cancer -- and he was one of the biggest cheer leaders of Tamal's policy of pedophile-ized offered food policy going on in ISKCON. Meanwhile, some of the ex-kulis think there is a child sacrificing demon cult going on in ISKCON.
In any case, I think this observation is something devotees should take into consideration. She thinks almost none of the devotees have any idea about the negative effects of eating food offered to demons or pedophile-ized offered food, because they have been put into a Voodoo type trance - sleep state where they cannot realize these simple facts anymore.
She also says, she will never eat anything that ISKCON makes, and that is what has kept her from getting seriously ill. Who knows? Anyway, she makes some interesting observations. ys pd
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Srila Prabhupada visits the ashrama of Srila Lalita Prasad, the brother of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura.
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Srila Prabhupada visits the ashrama of Srila Lalita Prasad, the brother of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura.
As the last remaining son of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, he is very old. His ashrama consists of a small temple and a few red-brick dwellings, none of which are well maintained. Prabhupada talked for some time with him and some of his management committee. They discussed the plans he had for development of Srila Bhaktivinoda's birth site. Nothing conclusive was arrived at with regard to their giving some land or even a lease on the property.
Achyutananda: He looked exactly like their father, Bhaktivinode Thakur. In his house I saw some of the hand written books written by Bhaktivinode Thakur. At that time Prabhupada was living in Bhaktivinode Thakur's birthplace in Birnagar. Prabhupada said, "We will take care of you. We will develop this place. It will be an international center." Lalita Prasad said, "Yes, but I must be guru. You must step down and I must be acharya." Prabhupada said, "Okay," and we left. Prabhupada then looked at me and said, "I didn't believe it, that even after giving up lust, desire for prestige lingers on even to the end." When I asked him, "What broke up the Gaudiya Matha?" Prabhupada said, "They were always worried who was going to give initiation. They couldn't wait a few years until a guru manifested?" He said, "My god-brothers were fighting over material properties and money."
Saturday, March 19, 2022
Rupanuga Dasa Writes Wrongs (Update)
How is Rupanuga's Program
"Authorized by Srila Prabhupada"?
Rupanuga was among the first people who said we
need to offer bhogha to his pedophile messiah's pals.
That means people are eating "pedophile-ized" food!
Fact: The GBC and Rupanuga went to the Gaudiya Matha Nabadvipa advisor in March of 1978 to seek advice and clarification about the guru issue and how it should be implemented in ISKCON.
Rupanuga dasa, in knowledge of the above-referenced clear warnings by Srila Prabhupada, did not warn and alert devotees and the leaders of ISKCON about Srila Prabhupada’s prophetic 1974 letter "do not consult with Sridhar Maharaja."
He went right along with the concocted acarya appointment. But now he wants all of us to believe that he understood Srila Prabhupada’s real intentions in October of 1977! Why did Rupanuga dasa and the GBC go to the Gaudiya Matha's advisor, for clarification for something they now claim they had understood all along?
If, according to Rupanuga dasa and company, everything was so clear to them in October of 1978, as per the following conversation:
Srila Prabhupāda: This initiation. I have deputed the, my disciples. Is it clear or not?
Girirāja: It’s clear, then why did they jump to Nabadvipa to seek clarification from an outside advisor to seek clarification of Srila Prabhupada’s instructions? How did everything become so unclear within just a few months that they felt that had to go to the Gaudiya Matha advisor to seek clarification? Another unresolved mystery!
Convenient Amnesia.
Srila Prabhupada had already warned Rupanuga dasa about the history of the Gaudiya Matha in April of 1974. Had Rupanuga dasa conveniently forgotten the April 28, 1974 personal letter from Srila Prabhupada and His warnings about Sridhar Maharaja’s role in destroying the Gaudiya Matha and their unauthorized acarya appointment?
Consultation with Higher Authorities?
Further, in March of 1978, at the Mayapur festival, Rupanuga dasa and the GBC issued a position paper to explain the process of future initiations for ISKCON. Under the title of the position paper was placed “In Consultation with Higher Authorities”.
So why did Rupanuga dasa and company have to consult with “Higher Authorities” in March of 1978, just a few months after they had allegedly understood Srila Prabhupada’s clear instructions in the matter of initiations in October of 1977? More unresolved mysteries!
And who are these so-called higher authorities? And when did Srila Prabhupada ever instruct us to go consulting other higher authorities than Him for the conduct of the missionary activities of His movement?
1978 Guru appointment hoax.
Following the Mayapur festival in March of 1978, a worldwide propaganda campaign was orchestrated by Rupanuga dasa and the GBC to attempt to convince the ISKCON devotees that Srila Prabhupada had appointed 11 gurus who were his true successors, that these 11 were pure devotees, uttama adhikaris, and that Srila Prabhupada had personally appointed these pure devotee diksa-gurus in May and July of 1977, as his true successors pure devotees acaryas.
Mythology Revival.
The secretary himself admitted the guru appointment myth in December of 1980 in Topanga Canyon, California. He clearly admitted in a quasi-public forum that the idea that Srila Prabhupada had appointed 11 gurus was a myth and that Srila Prabhupada had never appointed any gurus.
It should be noted that these important conversations with His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada were not released by the GBC for many years after Srila Prabhupada’s departure. Why not?
This new grammatical jugglery and interpretation is simply another attempt to revive the same old Guru appointment myth in a different format and avoid the order of the acarya Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada did not use the word diksa guru, acarya, appointed guru, appointed successor, etc He was very consistent by use of the word deputee in five different grammatical variations.
Historical facts.
By June of 1977, Srila Prabhupada had already removed himself from the choosing of the names of the new initiates, the chanting on the beads, the performing of the fire sacrifice but he was still the diksa-guru of the new initiates and was to remain the diksa-guru. Sri Prabhupada never gave the order to any of these 11 or 111 disciples to actually be diksa-gurus in the last few months of 1977.
The current Rupanuga dasa interpretation and all of the post 1977 GBC interpretations of these various conversations are simply an attempt at mythology revival and avoiding the order of the acarya, as per his clear directive of July 9th 1977.
When was Srila Prabhupada’s July 9th 1977 order changed or modified by Srila Prabhupada himself? When was the specific order to any of his disciples to be diksa-guru ever given after May 28 1977?
It is a fact that Rupanuga dasa and company’s post 1977 propaganda campaign throughout ISKCON, coupled with the GBC‘s iron fisted approach, conveyed myth and falsehood that the 11 had been appointed by Srila Prabhupada as diksa-gurus?
While it is certainly noble of Rupanuga dasa to enlighten us with his new current interpretation, it should not be forgotten that he was one of the original GBCs who vociferously supported and preached the appointment hoax and myth for many years.
While this new interpretation after 32 years seems to be an interesting pious belief, can he now publicly answer as to when these original 11 were ever appointed or selected by Srila Prabhupada as diksa-gurus When? Where? How?
Has anything been learned from the post 1936 and post 1977 appointment guru fiasco and the Maha-bhagavata assembly line of the GBC?
Has anything been learned from the post 1936 and post 1977 appointment guru fiasco and the Maha-bhagavata assembly line of the GBC?
Srila Prabhupada had already warned a few months earlier about the dreaded personal ambition disease that destroyed the Gaudiya Matha:
Srila Prabhupada warns about the result of manufacturing? Result of suppressing Guru. Result of ambition to take the place of guru.
Srila Prabhupada: We haven’t got to manufacture. To manufacture ideas is troublesome. Why should we take the trouble? And as soon as you want to manufacture something to my…., that is DANGEROUS. ...That you are singing every day, “what our guru has said, that is our life and soul.” …As soon as this POISON will come-suppress guru and I become Brahman-everything FINISHED. Spiritual life is finished. Gaudiya Matha finished, …VIOLATED the orders of Guru Maharaja. …And as soon as you manufacture, fall down. This manufacturing idea is very, very dangerous in spiritual life. …Our mission is to serve bhakta visesa and live with devotees. NOT THAT YOU TAKE THE PLACE OF GURU. THAT IS NONSENSE, VERY DANGEROUS. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become AMBITIOUS to TAKE THE PLACE of GURU-gurusuh nara matih. That is MATERIAL DISEASE. April 1977 Bombay, India
Srila Prabhupada’s warning about concocting whimsically. Srila Prabhupada defines preaching.
“So if you are actually, perfectly carrying out the orders of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, then you are preaching. Otherwise you will do wrongly, mislead. Don’t do that. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah . If you remain blind, don’t try to lead other blind men. That is misleading. First of all open your eyes. Everything is there. Nobody can do anything whimsically. If you do whimsically, concoctedly, that will be failure. It will not be effective.
(Conversations with Srila Prabhupada, 2 May, 1976, Fiji):
Srila Prabhupada warns about proceeding on the wrong platform.
What will be the result of the wrong platform?
“So, on the wrong platform you may go-go forward more and more-but it will be dismantled, because it is wrong.” Lecture 6-5-74
Srila Prabhupada warns about contradictory philosophy.
DISCIPLE: One day they say one thing. One day they say something else.
PRABHUPADA: That means rascal. Room Conversation 2-23-75
Srila Prabhupada explains how will questions be answered?
Every one of you must regularly read our books at least twice, in the morning and evening, and automatically all questions will be answered. (Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada explains how will questions be answered?
Every one of you must regularly read our books at least twice, in the morning and evening, and automatically all questions will be answered. (Srila Prabhupada
Letter to Randhira, 24/01/70)
What will be the result of the wrong platform?
“So, on the wrong platform you may go-go forward more and more-but it will be dismantled, because it is wrong.” Lecture 6-5-74
DISCIPLE: One day they say one thing. One day they say something else.
PRABHUPADA: That means rascal. Room Conversation 2-23-75
“If you cannot express, if you do not understand. Simply people wants jugglery of words, they don’t want substance. They don’t want substance. That is the difficulty in the mod…, in the present age.”
Lectures: Philosophy Discussions: Discussions with Hayagriva dasa: Karl Marx
It is interesting to note that Rupanuga dasa did not challenge the following article when Sridhar Maharaja was exposed.
It is interesting to note that Rupanuga dasa did not challenge the following article when Sridhar Maharaja was exposed.
http://www.harekrsna.com/.../edi.../12-07/editorials2250.htm
This article covers proof of the Ritvik initiation system of formality and the six accompanying articles in depth:
This article covers proof of the Ritvik initiation system of formality and the six accompanying articles in depth:
Jaya Srila Prabhupada
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The Sampradaya Sun - Independent Vaisnava News - Editorials - February 2009
PADA: Rupanuga was the GBC "liaison" that Sulochana was talking to in 1986, and I was present on a number of these phone exchanges. Rupanuga ultimately took the side of Kirtanananda and he said Sulochana is committing grievous offense to an advanced devotee. Then Rupanuga helped have Sulochana excommunicated and Kirtanananda re-established as "the leader of the greatest and most advanced Krishna consciousness project on earth."
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The Sampradaya Sun - Independent Vaisnava News - Editorials - February 2009
PADA: Rupanuga was the GBC "liaison" that Sulochana was talking to in 1986, and I was present on a number of these phone exchanges. Rupanuga ultimately took the side of Kirtanananda and he said Sulochana is committing grievous offense to an advanced devotee. Then Rupanuga helped have Sulochana excommunicated and Kirtanananda re-established as "the leader of the greatest and most advanced Krishna consciousness project on earth."
Sulochana said, these guys (Rupanuga) have painted a bulls-eye on my back, they will come to kill me now. And Sulochana was right, they did paint a bulls-eye on his back, because a few months later, he was dead. Yes, Rupanuga was supposed to save us from these false gurus, instead he became their number one vociferous advocate, apologist, cheer leader, and "shastric defender."
And the result has been, devotees were systematically banned, beaten, molested, sued and sometimes assassinated, and Rupanuga has been the chief apologist for this group all along and he still is. OK, cut to the chase, he has a lot of vaishnava's blood on his hands. ys pd
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