Give Women Boatloads Of Bad Karma! (Sankirtan das)

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After reading “GBC Amends and Affirms Law Allowing Vaisnavis To Initiate,” I thought to myself that you can always get to the same place from a different direction. The debate in ISKCON for the last few years has been about women gurus. But this article will show the reader that Srila Prabhupada did not approach this issue from a man vs woman perspective.

No one dared to really consider what Srila Prabhupada was saying when he was still physically with us. Some of the young men devotees in the early days of ISKCON were busy jockeying for positions in the prestigious sannyasa order. And from the start, many gurus and brahmanas in India were leery of women brahmanas, women residing in the temples, and women actively preaching and distributing books on western street corners. Shouldn’t they be at home raising families? Now 50 years later, it’s about time that Prabhupada’s vision for his movement is understood and implemented.

It’s a vision who’s time has certainly arrived. And it’s a vision that will correct other issues: that many of Prabhupada disciples are being left behind, and that by endorsing gurus the GBC has overstepped its function.

[PADA: The GBC has overstepped its function by endorsing gurus. Fine! Except, the GBC are mostly gurus. If they are bogus for overstepping their authority, how are they gurus? They are gurus, therefore, they are fools who are overstepping their authority? Makes no sense.

And since the GBC's gurus who are taking karma are often, or mostly, getting sick, falling down and dying early, how are we "leaving others behind" if we do not want them ensnared in the same "drinking from the Devils' cup"? We are not allowing others to get sick, fall down and die, why is that a bad plan?]

The early devotees invested great amounts of time and energy, and gallons of blood so to speak to help jump-start the Hare Krishna Movement. In the 1960s and 70s, the young men and women in ISKCON went out to distribute Prabhupada’s books. They opened temples, or supported the development and the functioning of temples. They inspired people to join or to make donations, or participate in one way or other. 

Their energy knew no bounds. At Prabhupada’s request, they left the word “impossible” behind. These devotees made great personal sacrifices. Many walked away from college educations and professional careers. And the families gave their children over to be educated in the gurukula system.

These early pioneers, whether one was sannyasa, brahmacari or grhastha, made a great investment in ISKCON. Now, it’s time for ISKCON to make an investment in them. By Srila Prabhupada’s efforts these devotees have received unprecedented insights into the nature of the material world, the nature of the Supreme Lord and His various incarnations, and they were given a special role to play in spreading Caitanya’s Sankirtana Movement.

[PADA: Most of the senior Prabhupada devotees went along to get along with the GBC's pedophile's guru parampara, and as a result many of their kids were molested and ISKCON was sued for $400,000,000 and bankrupted. And almost zero of them reported these crimes to the police, because they compromised with the pedophile's messiah's process. How does this indicate they understood -- anything -- clearly?]

And now, many of these devotees have an important role to play in their senior years. Prabhupada often quoted the order Lord Caitanya gave 500 years earlier

amara ajnaya guru hana tara’ ei desa
yare dekha tare kaha ‘krsna’-upadesa (CC Madhya 7.128)
“By following My order, you become guru.”

Prabhupada had a special vision on how this verse would be implemented in his fledgling society.

In a lecture of August 17, 1968, Prabhupada explained his vision.

"So all my students present here who are feeling so much obliged… I am also obliged to them because they are helping me in this missionary work. At the same time, I shall request them all to become spiritual master. Every one of you should be spiritual master next. And what is their duty? 

"Whatever you are hearing from me, whatever you are learning from me, you have to distribute the same in toto without any addition or alteration. Then all of you become the spiritual master. That is the science of becoming spiritual master. Spiritual master is not any… To become a spiritual master is not very wonderful thing. Simply one has to become sincere soul. That’s all.”

In a letter dated January 3, 1969, Prabhupada again reiterated his desire.

“I want that all of my spiritual sons and daughters will inherit this title of Bhaktivedanta (Prabhupada’s own title), so that the family transcendental diploma will continue through the generations. Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program. So we should not simply publish these books for reading by outsiders, but our students must be well versed in all of our books so that we can be prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization.”

Prabhupada expressed that same vision in a May 9, 1969 lecture.

“āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa
yāre dekha, tāre kaha ‘kṛṣṇa’-upadeśa (CC Madhya 7.128)

Lord Caitanya says that, “Every one of you become the spiritual master. Every one of you. Why one, two? Every one of you.” “Oh, spiritual master is very difficult job.” No. No difficult job. Caitanya Mahā . . . Āmāra ājñāya: “Just try to carry out My order. That’s all. Then you become spiritual master.” And if you interpolate, if you put something nonsense, rubbish, to show your so-called rascal’s education, then it is spoiled. Immediately spoiled. And if you present as it is, then it is pure.”

In a letter dated Dec. 20, 1969 to Himavati devi dasi, Prabhupada is delighted with the “new” stage in the movement, and encourages her to step up and lead by example.

"So I am especially proud how my householder disciples are preaching Lord Caitanya’s Mission. This is a new thing in the history of the Sankirtana Movement. In India all the acaryas and their descendants later on acted only from the man’s side. Their wives were at home because that is the system from old times that women are not required to go out. 

"But in Bhagavad-gita we find that women are also equally competent like the men in the matter of Krsna Consciousness Movement. Please therefore carry on these missionary activities, and prove it by practical example that there is no bar for anyone in the matter of preaching work for Krsna Consciousness.”

In a July 18, 1971 conversation in Detroit, Prabhupada again expressed this vision.

Mohsin Hassan: “After you, is it any decision has been made who will take over?”
Prabhupada: “Yes. All of them will take over. These students, who are initiated from me, all of them will act as I am doing. Just like I have got many Godbrothers, they are all acting. Similarly, all these disciples which I am making, initiating, they are being trained to become future spiritual masters.”

On Oct 24, 1972, in a lecture in India, Prabhupada criticized the nay sayers.

“When Caitanya Mahaprabhu ordered that prthivite ache yata nagaradi grama, so that means He wanted that all over the world, in every town, in every village, His mission should be propagated. …. And it is a glory for us that people in other countries, outside India, they’re accepting this cult of Krsna consciousness. But crippled people, they unnecessarily criticize this method. But we don’t care for them.”

In a lecture on April 6, 1975, Prabhupada again quotes the order of Lord Caitanya (CC Madhya 7.128) and follows with:

“So, so we want to spread Krsna consciousness. Simply prepare yourself how to repeat Krsna’s instructions very nicely, without any mal-interpretation. Then, in future… Suppose you have got now ten thousand. We shall expand to hundred thousand. That is required. Then hundred thousand to million, and million to ten million. . . . . . So there will be no scarcity of acarya, and people will understand Krsna consciousness very easily.”

And in a lecture in India on March 16, 1976 Prabhupada explains that his vision can be applied in any place and country.

“Anywhere, either you are in this district or that district, it doesn’t matter. Either you are at home or outside home, it doesn’t matter. You become a guru. Everyone. “How shall I become guru? I have no qualification.” Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, “You don’t require any qualification. You simply require one qualification, that you repeat the instruction of Bhagavad-gita. That’s all.”

In another lecture on August 19, 1976, Prabhupada elaborated on a phrase in Caitanya’s famous order.

‘Ei desa means wherever you are living you become a guru and deliver them. Suppose you are living in a small neighborhood, you can become a guru of that neighborhood and deliver them. “How it is possible? I have no education, I have no knowledge. How I can become guru and deliver them?” Caitanya Mahaprabhu said it is not at all difficult. Yare dekha tare kaha ‘krsna’-upadesa. This is your qualification. If you simply deliver the message given by Krsna you become guru.”

And now, ISKCON has a truly great resource: Srila Prabhupada’s disciples. 

[PADA: You mean the founders fathers of the GBC's pedophile's guru sampradaya and their compromised hand maidens / cheer leaders / lap dogs are a great resource? Yep, a great resource for misunderstanding.]

In any other genuine community or culture, they would be considered elders. 

[PADA: Correct, most of the elders did not call the police even when their own children were molested, and that is how the molesting spread "to every nook and cranny" according to one of the ex-children. Many of the ex-children told me their parents were compromised with the abuse and molesting process, and that is how it became so widespread -- ok -- to "every nook and cranny of ISKCON." According to -- the victims of these "elders."]

These devotees are mature, chanting the Holy Name for almost a half century or more, and they carry with them a wealth of spiritual knowledge. 

[PADA: Yep, many of these elders are compromised with those leaders who are saying gurus are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, and cats. And almost none of them are forming an alliance to protest, because they are compromised.] 

Now, 50 years later the time has come for ISKCON and the GBC to invest in these elders, men and women alike; whoever wants to accept the responsibility of becoming a spiritual master. 

This will immediately resolve the guru issue, surcharge the entire movement to bring ISKCON up to a new level of involvement, and fulfill Prabhupada’s desire. This movement is ultimately inclusive, and not exclusive. Its focus is on Krishna Consciousness, and is all about expanding the circle of compassion.

[PADA: Even one Hindu man said that none of the women in ISKCON are actively making new devotees. He said the best woman ISKCON has is Vaisesika's wife, and she cannot make one Western devotee in the past 30 years. They have a Hindu business of showing the deity, not active preaching. There are no big woman preachers in ISKCON, this is a bluff.]

“Vaiṣṇava is always thinking how to do good to the suffering humanity.”

Srila Prabhupāda, February 8, 1977

“I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy.” Letter from December 2, 1975

Sankirtana Das, a disciple of Srila Prabhupada, is a longtime resident of New Vrindaban Community and an award-winning author and storyteller. His most recent book, Hanuman’s Quest, is acclaimed by scholars and has received a Storytelling World Resource Honors. For more info about his work visit 

www.Mahabharata-Project.com

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada said we cannot take karma, and if we do, we have to suffer. Giving other's karma to women will simply make the women get sick, fall down and die -- just like the men gurus who are suffering from taking karma. Causing women to get sick, fall down and die is not compassion, it is killing them spiritually and physically. "Become guru" means, preach on behalf of Jesus, do not claim to be another Jesus artificially. ys pd]

Let us expand this melt down from karma --  to women.

And that is compassion?

We need more of this!

Rasa Manjari speaks about Ramesvara Dasa (Robert Grant)

Rasa Manjari speaks about Ramesvara:

His Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada’s Divine Unchanged Books–Reviewing the bogus changes facilitated by Robert Grant aka Rameswara dasa.

I lived in ”Rameswara’s zone’ from pre-1977 (the year His Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada physically departed our external vision) until 1991. He says, in his April 2013 emails, which are basically making excuses for all those implicated: “l assure you that NO ONE on that Committee ever even asked to see all the changes,” and, “I lazily assumed that the work done on manuscripts, as close to the original as possible, was the only thing that mattered.”

Does he REALLY expect the current and future devotees to believe that ‘uninterested’ and ‘lazy’ ISKCON leaders acted for years without any attempted input from their trained-up, well-wishing and un-motivated god brothers?!

Whenever he was questioned by his god brothers (and believe me, god brothers questioned him frequently on this book issue as well as the guru issue, the collection issue, his [minor aged] girlfriend issue and so many others – until they were forced out of the movement) he most often replied with the famous escape clause, “I didn’t know.”

[PADA: Yep, us "dissenters" a.k.a. "against the book changes folks" are being banned, beaten, sued, chased with baseball bats, exiled and sometimes assassinated. Meanwhile the leaders "assume" everything is being managed nicely. Ummm wait! -- because all the dissenting complainers are being ignored, removed and silenced. 

Ditto for the child molesting issue, we "assume" the children are being nicely cared for, when the people complaining about child abuse are being squashed by many different tricks and sometimes brutal techniques.]

He lied in the past and he’s lying still. 

He is one of the biggest offenders at Srila Prabhupada’s lotus feet because he disobeyed and betrayed his eternal Spiritual Master, who trusted him to follow his instructions and preserve what he had struggled to carefully produce in order to save the suffering souls of this world.

When questioned, Rameswara acknowledged that Srila Prabhupada had ordered, “Don’t change one word.” Yet, when his god brothers asked: “Why are you doing it then?” he answered : “Don’t you think, after getting so many instructions from Srila Prabhupada, I KNOW how much to change?” Just see the crooked mentality. 

At the same time, as a ‘guru, as good as God’, he boasted he knew everything, his god brothers knew nothing, and he regularly cursed most devotees, since he found himself to be so far superior to them.

[PADA: This is why he was called "Srila Rage-isvara by some folks. Yelling at others, not listening to others.]

I find it shocking there is an attempt by persons supposedly against book changes to promote him as a useful authority on this subject, as in: “Rameswara Clears up the Book Changes Issue”. It is not necessary nor beneficial. You know, the controlled opposition (those who join a cause, pretending to support it, while secretly working against it from within) are expert at capturing endorsement and allegiance of the innocent group members by pretending to oppose what those groups oppose; but then, at some point they begin to advance their real agenda, which is the plan to get exactly what they really want, (in this case, adulterations to Srila Prabhupada’s Divine teachings and instructions as recorded in his Perfect, Unedited Books) and no one notices it because the infiltrators have intentionally gained our trust and swung us over to their way of thinking ever so slowly and secretly.

[PADA: Yep, they hi-jacked the original movement, and now some of them are trying to hi-jack the reform (like Krishna West).]

Most of the genuine group members are not skilled at spotting nor exposing and countering it. Some of the group members are also secretly controlled opposition and they make big propaganda to promote these cheaters from within, and cover-up or minimize their unholy activities when exposed.

Srila Prabhupada gives us a clear indication of this covert attack on the movement and how to handle it when he wrote: “It is a fact however, that the great sinister movement is within our Society.” Furthermore: “It affected practically the whole Society in a very dangerous form.” And: “All of you may try to save the society from this dangerous position.”

Be very wary of adopting unqualified people as spokespersons for your cause. Srila Prabhupada’s numerous direct instructions, as recorded in his Un-tampered-with writings and recordings carry sufficient merit for genuine devotees to use to counter the sinister movement’s demonic agenda to pollute His Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada’s Divine Books and impede Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s mission to spread Love of Godhead all over the universe.

Lowly servant in the service of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada,

Rasamanjari Devi dasi

P.S. Some may say: how do you know that book changes are part of the sinister movement’s attack on our Society? What would you consider more sinister than corrupting and setting a precedent for corruption of Srila Prabhupada’s books, books which he himself called “The Law Books for the next ten-thousand years"? 

Consider how the authority and effect of the scriptures of other religions have been lost due to multiple corrupted editions. Consider how disobedience to the givers of Laws and corruption of the Messages of God have become commonplace in the very NAME of religion.

Some may question, how do you know Rameswara is an infiltrator? From the beginning he had been closely tied to production of Srila Prabhupada’s books, then to contaminating them. Fake gurus come and go but destroying the very foundation on which the movement functions has been Jayadwaita’s and his special task. 

It looks like he fell off his programming and went away for sometime, but they managed to put him back together and sent him back to be heard from in the devotional community again.

There are others who say we should read his writing to find out what Srila Prabhupada wants, as if Srila Prabhupada’s unchanged books and instructions were somehow lacking or that the Lord’s impetus from within the heart in the form of proper conscience is unavailable. 

There is a saying that milk is nutritious food, but if it is touched by the lips of a serpent, it becomes poison. Spiritual force is obtained from hearing from a pure source. If a source is saying one thing, but has done the exact opposite, the force, or benefit is gone. All that will be gotten is the poisonous effect.

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Devotional Craftworks by Bhaktin Tharangini (VIDEO)

 [PADA: OK evidently, this is the right way to train the children. ys pd]

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Venkateshwara Swamy Bhakti Geet Song / VIDEO

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Once the four Pandavas (except Yudhishthira who was not present) asked Krishna: “What is Kaliyuga and what will happen during Kaliyuga?"

Krishna smiled and said "Let me demonstrate to you, the situation of Kaliyuga."

He took a bow and four arrows and shot them in four directions and ordered the four Pandavas to go and bring them back.

Each of the four Pandavas went in the four different directions to search for the arrows.

When Arjuna picked an arrow, he heard a very sweet voice. He turned around and saw a cuckoo singing in a spellbinding voice but was also eating flesh of a live rabbit which was in great pain. Arjuna was very surprised to see such a gory act by such a divine bird he left the place immediately.

Bhima picked arrow from a place, where five wells were situated. The four wells were surrounding a single well. The four wells were overflowing with very sweet water as if they were not able to hold water and surprisingly the well in the middle of these four overflowing wells was completely empty. Bhima was also puzzled at this sight.

Nakula was returning to the place after picking up the arrow. He stopped at a place where a cow was about to give birth. After giving birth the cow started licking the calf but continued to lick it even after the calf was clean. With great difficulty people were able to separate them and by that time the calf was injured badly. Nakula was puzzled by the behaviour of such a calm animal.

Sahadeva picked arrow which fell near a mountain and saw a big boulder falling. The boulder was crushing the rocks and big trees on its way down, but the same boulder was stopped by a small plant. Sahadeva was also amazed at this sight.

All the Pandavas asked the meaning of these incidents. Krishna smiled and started explaining...

"In Kaliyuga, the priests will have very sweet voice and will also have great knowledge but they will exploit devotees the same way cuckoo was doing with rabbit.

In Kaliyuga poor will live among rich, those rich will have enormous amount of wealth which will actually overflow but they will not offer a single penny to the poor same as the four wells didn't have a single drop of water for the empty well.

In Kaliyuga parents will love their children so much that their love will actually spoil them and will destroy their lives similar to the love shown by cow to her newborn calf.

In Kaliyuga people will fall in terms of character like the boulder from the mountain and they will not be stopped by anyone at the end only the name of God will be able to hold them from doom like the little plant held the boulder from further fall."

~ from Uddhava Gita, Srimad Bhagawatam

Complaint Letter Sent to Praghosa Das (UK)

[PADA: Looks like there are all sorts of troubles in ISKCON with: doubters over the mis-managing then -- getting the boots in face treatment / mis-managed funds (common theme) / sannyasa and brahmacaris with girlfriends (common theme) / mis-treating devotees (common theme) / various charity scams / missing funds / lack of transparency / aggression towards whistleblowers / and so on. 

Ultimately the managers are responsible because -- well simply stated -- they are not managing properly. Now someone wrote to complain that people like Jayapataka / Bhakti Vikas swami / Radhanath / et al. did not intentionally make a molester empire -- it just sort of happened by accident (under their watch?). 

Ummm well they banned us whistleblowers, and in the case of Sulochana, he was assassinated. In any case, we have to judge a thing by its result, and the result of their post-1978 management is not good, by all accounts. We would have to say that for these levels of troubles to be infesting the society, including the major child molesting issue, there has had to be coordinated corruption. 

Anyway, I have no idea what this UK complaint is actually about for sure, no one told me the details. What we do know is -- the writer is going to the charity commission and police for help. OK that means other avenues are not working. As far as writing Praghosa das, lots of people think he is totally corrupt himself. 

As far as financial transparency, well it looks very transparent to me -- most devotees are driving an old beat up car while living in a funky apartment -- while many leaders are living in big opulent palaces with servants, feasts, sometimes female servants, new computers, big new town cars, etc. How much more transparency do we need here?

Anyway, if anyone can fill us in about all this, please do. Meanwhile notice, more of the natives are getting restless and they are just fed up with the GBC process, and thus more and more folks are making a mutiny from GBC authority. I say that is a good first step in rectifying the situation. 

ys pd

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Is Mayapur Training Children to Rape?

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PADA: A devotee sent me a complaint being circulated about "a dangerous child molester who attends Hawaii temple -- and he also went to the Hawaii Rathayatra." What is the actual history here? Apparently, this person was a child attending the ISKCON GBC's / Jayapataka swami's / MAYAPUR Gurukula and he began molesting others at the age of 14. 

That self-evidently means, he was molested himself, and / or he was trained in the process of molesting others. How would a 14 year old child know about molesting other children, unless he has been trained in the process by some older folks there in Mayapur?

And now there are reports of potentially "dozens" of victims of this molester, including girls as young as 4, and rapes of girls 9 and 13 years old and so on and so forth. And yet ISKCON never seems to have alerted others to this process, creating more and more victims? Now some of the victims and / or people who know victims are on a forum discussing all this, and yet some of the Mayapur / Jayapataka folks are asking "where is the proof"? 

And the proof is right there, victims and / or their friends and relatives are giving testimony against this molester right there on the forum. 

BVKS says Srila Prabhupada never said we should stop training.

FINE! However, if children are being raped, and that trains them to

rape other children. What kind of training is that?

Now someone else sent me a video of Bhakti Vikas swami, who is saying it is absurd to think Srila Prabhupada did not want us to continue to train people after he departed. Oooops, except no one anywhere, at any time, ever said that Srila Prabhupada did not expect us to continue to train people? 

What we are saying is that the GBC / Bhakti Vikas swami program is causing children to be raped "on an industrial scale" according to some of the victims.

And then some of the raped children are subsequently raping or abusing other children, because the GBC / BVKS process is training them to become rapers and abusers of other children. 

Of course the rape victims who suffer in silence may have other unhealthy psychological issues, such as PTSD etc. And BVKS is the sannyasa disciple of the leader of Mayapur.

Thus we said -- the proper training should continue, and their malefic child exploiting process is not part of it. More than a few people have told PADA that these GBC ilk folks are lower life forms from the lower regions of the universe who have infiltered ISKCON, because on their lower planets -- child raping is their normal life there. Anyway, here is part of the discussion:  

AP: Someone should look at this: The Grace Tame Foundation

MD: When you have a GBC puppet / Business man temple president and gurukuli (Sundar), what else do you expect???

AB DASI: I completely support known abusers not taking part in events and gathering where potential future and past victims may be. I have a practical question. How, for those of us who do not have the faces and names of previous abusers in our minds, does an organizer or planner avoid this? 

Would there be screening for anyone leading Kirtan or taking part? What does the protocol look like to keep certain people out of public events? I would not have known who this person was at the time. If I were to now organize a public event for a community, I may not know the history of those who have come. 

I am a newer devotee of just 12 years and do not know of many abusers. What would I do to safeguard against this? I’m not saying the organizers did not know. I am just wondering what practical steps one should take who may not know.

S DASI: It's tough.

VC DASI: The organizers and I know that for a fact. This temple has history of supporting the abusers.

RRB: Wondering the same thing.

AC DASI: One option is to ask a few older generation gurukulis. It shouldn't be so difficult, the information should be made easily available to everyone. in the meantime, asking around is the best option I can think of.

SB: This is the whole point. ISKCON and devotees who DO know should be making sure these people don't attend. Lots of people do know, and they allow abusers free run of the place anyway. 

TB: I'm wondering... just like there is a database to check on neighborhood predators (we had one move into our neighborhood and with many many complaints to HOA, so he moved). Could there be a database for the Iskcon community at large?

ALD: The CPO has files on confirmed cases. But you have to screen each person individually. This person is already flagged by the CPO, but nothing is done after.

GD: Do you have a link to those files?

SD: I think only the CPO has those files. Some are not public.

VCD: For sure that is what they should do. You know like how they have shop lifters photos at the store sometimes at least here in Hawaii they do. They should do that with all these pedophiles. I think they’re worried about being shamed but are making more problems by covering this up.

KED: I’m sorry for deleting my comments. I don’t want the association. This has rocked me. Why can’t we talk openly about such things so we can ensure all our children are safe, that is bare minimum.

VC DASI: Thank you for trying, maybe your voice will reach. We live here, it doesn’t reach anywhere so we gave up and just not go there or to the outside gatherings also.

SD: Does this man Damodara / Dalim attend the Honolulu temple?

VC DASI: Yes ... he does.

HD: That’s sad…

JM DASI: ISKCON... Child Protection should have an Abuser File -- with pictures and history of offenders -- sent out to all Temples Worldwide. They should all be banned from attending festivals and any programs. 

HD: If only…

TB DASI: Yes! That's what I was thinking. Someone should just start one. Why haven't the leaders done this long ago?

SD: Would you like to start one? I can imagine it would be a labor - intensive project, but I would support whoever wanted to do it. I would love to see this replicated within ISKCON and the other Vaishnava groups:

https://www.jewishcommunitywatch.org/

Jewish Community Watch | JCW is an organization dedicated to the prevention of child sexual abuse (CSA) within the Jewish community

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GSG: What the heck! OMG my mom was on the child protection team, that’s crazy. My mom is no longer on the team anymore but she was on it for a long time. I’m also a mandated reporter myself as you know I’m a substance abuse counselor.

SD: You are doing a great service, thank you.

PW DASI: If he's from Mayapur, he was abusing kids in Bhubaneswar when I was a child. I heard he went to America with his brother Uttam.

SD: Yes. 

PW DASI: Yes, he abused my 2 sisters and my best friend.

SD: Oh no!

AC DASI: I am so sorry.

NHD: He did. I knew him and Uttam both. He abused one friend of mine, that I know of.

AC DASI: I'm so sorry.

PW DASI: Yes he abused me when I was 9 or 10. He was let down by Iskcon. We all were. The gurukula in Mayapur made him like this -- and then made him take the fall while all the real demons got off. He was angry. Rightfully so. But he was an abuser and he molested all of us girls -- any girl that he could get to.

SD: Thank you for sharing.

VC DASI: I’m so sorry to hear. I guess the CPO report is talking of him being 14 and thus I see in these moments that he was just a kid himself at one time. It’s sad but to you and other ppl mentioning that they’ve had this happen hopefully wakes all those that are supporting him.

SD DASI: Such a person should not be welcome inside a temple or in any formal capacity at a festival, but how can someone be prevented from coming to Ratha Yatra? We can't even stop the fundamentalist Christians from harassing us and getting in the way of the turning radius. 

All sexual offenders are allowed to be in the street and on the beach. Unless an individual victim present was maintaining a restraining order, there's no legal mechanism to prevent any particular person from attending street festival.

All parents and guardians should always be aware of these possibilities at *any* public or outdoor event. Children should always be trained that they should always stay away from all strangers at such events, regardless of their being dressed as a devotee, and should be given a fixed list of safe adults they talk to if separated, and drilled in going directly to the stage.

Separately, an argument could be made that part of the point of Ratha Yatra is that absolutely anyone has the right to see Jagannath in this day, no matter how fallen they are. tuhuñ jagannāth, jagate kahāosi jag-bāhira nahi muñi chāra -- even the most abominable person is still a member of the Universe.

Ideally the CPO would maintain a public list with faces and pseudonyms, and organizers and booth staff would review these lists before festivals in order to keep an eye out for such persons.

SD: From the photos, it appears this man Damodara / Dalim was garlanded (not everyone was), and partook in the kirtan in the Hawaii procession, playing djembe next to the kirtan leader. Giving preferential treatment to child abusers gives a bad impression.

SH DASI: Garlanding is really unfortunate. Kids pick up in that stuff. Whoever did that should be informed immediately. It would take a lot of very expert bouncer types to legally intimidate someone away from the Kirtan leader. But it's a skill and expertise that should be developed.

AC DASI: You make a good point that everyone should be able to see lord jagannatha. Unfortunately, what happens is when devotees know that their abuser will be welcomed at the ratha yatra, or any festivals, they won't go.
So allowing abusers to attend keeps devotees who have been victims of abuse from going. So, the victims are continually abused by not being able to see jagannatha themselves.

I personally would be in favor of making everywhere more comfortable for those who have been abused than for abusers.

SH DASI: I understand which is why I said the argument could be made. I'm on the fence about this and only this festival, because this song is so important 

(Vidyapatiwas one of Mahaprabhhu's favorite poets) and this is the tradition of Ratha Yatra. Certainly abusers should not be made to feel welcome or be celebrated or garlanded for this very reason.

MM DASI: Playing djembe in the kirtan is not just being on the street. This is a position of respect.

SH DASI: Yeah .... however I have watched people try to get rid of perfectly nice devotees playing djembe in Sankirtan party ... and if someone is determined it's not so easy.

AC DASI: lol!! now see what you've started by mention that type of drum? lol!!
(yes, i do realize that your point was not the *type* of drum he's playing, but the fact that he's clearly a welcome member of the festival).

M DASI: Problem with enforcement at public festivals held on public property (like a city street) is there is no laws to turn to unless there is an outstanding warrant for his arrest, for example. Otherwise, fb exposure, such as this, is good. We can prohibit such a person from attending ISKCON temples and functions on ISKCON property. 

If he shows up and joins a street Harinam there’s little that can be legally done but would suggest someone with authority first pull him aside and tell him that he should exclude himself and why. If he won’t cooperate, some form of passive intimidation might be considered. If cops are friendly towards devotees, explain that this person is unwanted and why and ask if they’d consider telling him to mosey along somewhere else.

VC DASI: No, here they don’t stop him in the temple even. He is welcome at all ISKCON events, not only Ratha.

AC DASI: Being garlanded, and right next to the kirtan leader definitely makes it look like he's welcome.

R Dasa: We have a similar case in one Ratha Yatra in Mexico City before the pandemic. It was a sex offender. So called devotee. And he was there and the guests where asking questions to him. Them after the parade. He was talking to some of guest. What happened. One devotee lady was complaining. That he should not be there at. All because he molested her when she was a small girl with her sister. In one of our farms. He denied everything. 

Like always. Any way long history short. I reported to the GBC. Explain everything. And the response was. This is a public festival on a public. Sorry. Maharaj. But. You are incorrect. Because if this child abuse offender touched a child here on this festival? We have a problem because we could possible get a Law case. Parents will sue us because the permits for the festival are under ISKCON NAME. GBC REALIZE THAT WE HAVE A POTENCIAL PROBLEM.

S DASI: If he abused children in the US he should be reported to the authorities to see if the statute of limitations hasn't passed, and at least he can be placed in our database.

SD: I know someone personally who pressed charges against him in the U.S.

SH DASI: Seems he is on the CPO radar. What is the status of that case legally? Did the relevant DA take it up? If there's enough of a group of Americans, especially across state lines, they can take it to the FBI and try to get the feds involved.

SD: He was convicted in the one case. I'm not sure beyond that. The FBI may need more than one case to get involved.

SH DASI: So then is he in the sex offenders database? That would be valuable information to share. If your friend has his case information and legal name, that would be super helpful. He may even be in violation of his parole / release. That would give more teeth to excluding him.

AC DASI: That's great to hear. It seems that if he was convicted, he shouldn't be allowed at RY! the FBI generally deals with crimes that cross state lines.

SH DASI: Lots of convicts and sexual offender felons are 'allowed' at events like Ratha Yatra --- in that it's a public event. He certainly shouldn't be encouraged or garlanded. But unless he's violating the terms of his parole or release, there's no law preventing convicts, even sex offenders, from attending public events.

DD: But he also goes to ISKCON temples and ISKCON children in India go to his house regularly.

SS: I know him, but had no idea until now…  they are covering for him.

RRB: I say spread the news so that any children who are near him are protected.

PADA: Why has none of the parents / authorities had this guy charged? Or have they? Or what? ys pd

SD: My friend pressed charges against him which led to a conviction.

PADA: OK good, so that means ISKCON should make a registry of these people and alert all temples to have these people identified. Abusive people seem to float around without any sort of coordinated effort to identify and contain them. A web site with reports would make a good start. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be a lot of interest in this since some of the leaders would be on that site. ys pd

SD: One of the issues is that ISKCON is not a law enforcement agency like the police / courts are who can keep public sex offender registries. ISKCON's CPO can place restrictions on child abusers, restricting them from leadership roles, but there is a legal issue with broadcasting the names of the abusers.

PADA: Then there should be an internal CPO admin at each temple who does have a database of known ISKCON offenders and that could be a private site. And that person would be on the lookout and alert temple leaders. People who go to temples regularly should have a criminal background check done on them by temple leaders in any case. 

There are lots of crooks out there who flock to ISKCON. I was once warned not to challenge a GBC guru because his bodyguard had just got out of prison for 7 years after chopping up his wife with a sword and killing her. In any case ISKCON should have its own internal registry or CPO acting as their agents, and they should have their own process of containing abusers from being around children etc. ys pd

AC DASI: If someone is on a sex offender registry, isn't that public?

SD: Yes. I don’t know his legal name.

AC DASI: My point being that anyone can share what is public information.

LS Dasi: Search the Dru Sjodin National Sex Offender Public Website. Heading to nsopw.gov—coordinated by the Department of Justice—is the first step to identifying sex offenders in your community. May 4, 2021

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SD DASI: We need both his first name and last name for this; your friend who hit a conviction seems to be the only person who could help.

AC DASI: I actually know a LOT of the sex offenders in my community and beyond. Unfortunately. (it comes with being an older generation, abused gurukuli, and having many friends who are in the same category). My point was about iskcon not being "able" to share names of abusers. once someone is on a sex registry, it's public info, so iskcon could have *at least* a consolidated registry of so called devotees who have been convicted of sex crimes.

LS DASI: Right. Got it.

JD DASI: Must be Dalim Sarkar, as Sarkar is his family's surname - and yes, as far as I have always known, he was abused as a child in Mayapur gurukula during the Bhavananda years, for he must be about 45 by now ...

PADA: Yes, one of the abusers who came to USA and abused kids in Satsvarupa's school was still only a teenager, who had been molested in Mayapur. That is why I said it is a program of webs, nests and coordination. And they are spawning and creating more molesters. They knew this person was an abuser in the previous zone, and he went to other's zones with no restrictions, and after he left Satsvarupa's zone he just moved on to another zone, and no warnings were sent etc. 

And all sorts of molesting was going on in Mayapur and those of us complaining about these things were booted out and silenced, and we still are not very welcome at this stage. We dissenters are clearly identified and banned, the perps are not. And that has been the pattern the whole time. They spawned and created many molesters who were molested. ys pd

SD: Festivals are not the only issue. He attends the temple as well. At this public event he played djembe alongside the kirtan leader and he was one of the few people who was garlanded. Giving preferential treatment to child abusers is not a good look for a spiritual society.

LEP: As far I can't stand child abusers I would love ckn them up, still even Jagai Madai was given the holy name by Lord Chaitanya . As long he is there in public chanting a holy name and hopefully receiving a maha garland and not a threat.

DD: His victims won't want to go, nor will other victims. ISKCON cannot give places of respect to abusers or that re-victimizes the abused.

SD: If he is there then his victims will not want to be there. Who should get preference to attending the festival? The victim or the abuser?

LEP: The victims will have mercy of Krsna anyway, the abuser needs mercy desperately. You all need to look for legal justice. Not otherwise he will receive his karma anyway. At the same time he needs to do some service to the Lord even if he sinful. The victims should do legal action and be more spiritual and at the same time he should be kept away from children. But he will not abuse on harinam and possibly his heart cleansing a bit so there is some hope he will give up abusing.

SD: We can't read people's minds, but we can create an atmosphere that is welcoming to survivors of child abuse, and we can restrict child abusers from being around children. This is common sense. Here in Hillsborough one man's past history of child sexual abuse was actively hidden by the ISKCON temple management and as a result the parents did not know he was a sexual child abuser -- and then he sexually assaulted a 2 year old girl at the temple. This can be prevented through education and awareness, and placing restrictions on confirmed child abusers.

People can practice Krishna Consciousness at home. It is a privilege to have the association of devotees, it's not a right that everyone gets to have.

LEP: I didn't say they have to go to the temple serving but harinams and ratha Yatra different.

SD: Harinams and Rathayatras are an extension of the temple property. It's the same community coming together to chant Hare Krishna, just in a different setting. Victims should always be given preference over their abusers.

LEP: No it isn't an extension, it is a public place you don't have a right to stop people going on that no matter what. Not by law and not any way. Plus if you legally don't take steps against a person you don't have right to do anything against him. Not the soul the abuser and if you don't do legally anything you leave it in Krsnas hand He will give whatever karma he deserve. But Street harinams for everyone.

DD: No, he also goes to the temple. And so do other known abusers.

LMG: It is an oversimplification to say that an abuser needs Krsna's mercy more than the victims of said abuser. If a victim took their own life, wouldn't you think they need Krsna's mercy more? i think so. but even so, it's not for you or me to decide who needs the mercy more. but as SD said, the INNOCENT victims should always be given preference over their abusers.

Also, abusers are not going to get cured by devotee association. They need psychiatric help for any real chance of overcoming or preventing themselves from committing abuse.

DD: Victims are taking their own lives because they see nothing is being done to correct their abusers from floating around. 

 
SD: I'm going to play out a scenario. Confirmed child abuser goes on harinam, talks to people asking questions about the harinam, someone recognizes him as a child sex offender and stays away from the devotees, OR child sees parents talking to abuser and thinks it's okay to go off alone with this man as he was friendly with his parents. It's a dangerous, slippery slope - why risk the safety of the children?

LEP: Karmis would recognise him as sex offender? If I have child I teach not to go with anyone without me. Not even with my friends and if I want my friends take my child I will tell my child this will pick you up. You train your child and a child sex offender shouldn't go close to schools nurseries etc . Harinam is other thing plus you don't have to be friendly with him just because he is on harinam.

VEG: You are the one who said the abuser needs more mercy than the victim. But who gave you the authority to make such a statement? You also say the abuser needs to do some service.. just because they shouldn't be allowed to be at certain places doesn't mean they can't do service or practice spiritual life. like i said, you are oversimplifying it. abusers and other criminals are very welcome to practice krsna consciousness. in fact there is an iskcon prison ministry helping criminals do just this from behind bars! but the victims should be the ones who feel safe at temples and festivals.

You have brought up jagai and madhai multiple times. They asked for forgiveness, which lord nityananda gave. most of the abusers in iskcon have not asked their victims for forgiveness! so that's pretty much a moot point.

DD: And ISKCON still promotes Lokanath swami as a guru despite knowing he is an abuser.

LB DASI: Jagai and Madhai were greatly sinful. After they received the mercy they did not sin any more. They showed remorse!

ZB DASA: You would have to get rid of their current president and their board members who housed and defended the three times accused child molester also allow another accused child molester to live at the temple. The current president was also going to marry a well-documented ex guru GBC child molester.

SAD: We should definitely have a public database of any "devotee" who has been convicted.

G DASI: Wow! I know Dalim since he was a child in Mayapur. Met him in 1986 and I know he was abused in the gurukula there but I didn’t know he became an abuser even though I knew that unfortunately the abused many times becomes an abuser. Really the temples and congregation should know . I’m in shock and I feel very sorry for everyone affected with this kind of situation.

VC DASI: My husband went thru that, saying ABS isn’t going around raping molesting. I’m sad that happens to him but not an excuse for numerous kids he has abused. We were friends with him till we found that out and done. Yea nice guy abs with a past that can’t be forgotten especially when they go around telling ppl how it wasn’t a big deal

JD: She knows very well - she is a longtime devotee activist / advocate of the abused...

SD: ME DASI has done monumental service in the area of child protection in ISKCON. Please look her up. She ran Chakra and facilitated and encouraged much conversation towards child protection, she has written articles and spoke with many ISKCON leaders about stronger child protection and she published a book on the Hare Krishna movement which included child protection in ISKCON.

LS Dasi: Still, his question is extremely morbid and nauseating. Well informed / educated adults are capable of understanding the meaning of what implies sex abuse on children. Especially sexually abused boys. Sorry S DASA Sir, never done any drugs / alcohol in my life and ... No, I don't have a nickname either. Old enough to be a grandmother.

RS DASA: When I lived at the Dallas ISKCON temple in 1994 there was a visiting Indian man who assaulted a little boy. The boy told and the pervert got on a plane and flew back to India. The manager of the temple said that the Indian authorities would deal with him when he got back. Im sure nothing happened to him.

AC DASI: That kind of thing happens *far* too often. What's worse is when temple management informs a child abuser that the police are on their way, so they better leave quick.

JH DASA: If the ISKCON Child Protection Office report concluded: "Unlikely that he will be able to keep himself aloof from bad association and from controlling his sexual urges." Yet nothing is enforced to keep children protected.

…Then why rely on a broken system to fix a problem?

Clearly temples are not enforcing any outcomes of many child abuse cases.

Why rely on a broken system to try and fix a problem that never ends?

Go over the heads of those who can’t do their service properly, and protect our children.

Go to the police and file an independent report. Clearly it’s necessary 

KE DASI: lol this post is now making the rounds in mayapur, everyone’s discussing. I’m horrified how many people didn’t know.

DD: They cover up everything, and then children get molested, and then they act like someone else is to blame. Experts at passing the buck.

SD: Good, let truth be known.

KE DASI: I see them coming to defend him on this post already. it’s so sad. he didn’t rape me so therefore he couldn’t have raped anyone ?!? it’s such terrible logic and this is how more kids end up getting abused.

S DASI: It is terrible logic and I see it being used with other abusers as well like Laxmimoni and Lokanath. It’s like saying because a serial killer did not kill everyone he knew, then he must not be a serial killer. 

AC DASI: Typical. Way too many people do that ... covering up for the criminals. 

S Devi Dasi: Someone could be assigned to approach him, tell him that he is a known pedophile, and cannot take part in the kirtan party. He will be closely followed all day, and cannot talk to any women or children. That someone must be bold and fierce. No law breaking, but make him uncomfortable and unwelcome. It can and must be done.

VC DASI: Unfortunately when the temple President allows this person to be around come to temple abs as my husband said above. She herself houses a three time molester and is engaged to known guru who fell down and is another molester. There’s nothing more that can be done but to remove ourselves from that disgusting situation and all that participate and are buddies and are supporters -- and are just as culpable.

GVC: Very interesting. I was hanging out with him when I was in Hawaii right before pandemic. He was at the temple and had no issues being amongst the other devotees. This is the first time I've heard of him being this way. We share cooking as a hobby and had a bonding session over this. I need to be better informed or someone needs to regulate.

VC DASI: We bonded very well with him too. Being a kuli in gurukul in Mayapur with husband loving Prabhupada. Loved going to his abs the bengalis homes then found out in 2019. I’d say that was it. Then finding numerous cases cpo has and him being banned in few east coast temples. The tp and some devotees know but don’t care. Apparently molesting is not a big deal amongst “devotees” and that is why this problem is never fixed.

BKS DASA: Totally man! I know him from years ago, when I was a brahmacari in the Brooklyn temple. I still say hi to him sometimes. Omgfg! What is wrong with these people!

AC DASI: I'm guessing you won't be saying hi to him since finding this out?

BKS DASA: If I do seem again - this will be the first point of "discussion" - for damn sure! The last time this happened, I gave someone a beat down in the street, in front of the temple in Vrindavana!

AAD: Surely he is on some kind of register.... he should have conditions if he was ever convicted. Conditions that stipulate he cannot be around kids.

CW: Iskcon Hawaiian HI Govindanandini Dasi / Haricakra Dasa 

RS: Why isn't he in jail? ISKCON is not above the law.

SD: He seems to move around a lot and he preys on children in different parts of the world, which I imagine complicates things.

SSD Dasi: Hare krishna to all the devotees of isckon. I am from mayapur india ... I am ss dasi and i am 18 years old.. I am studying in 11th grade.. Mr. Dalim / Damodor -- I know him he is from mayapur. I heard that he is born in mayapur and he is old gurukuli. I am not his relative -- I just see him in 2019 when he is come from US to visit his family. His wife is our teacher we went to his house when he was here also. He is always welcoming us and we call him jethu that means big father in bengali and we all are comfortable with him.

If he is a child abuser than why he is to good with us. I am not only one girl we are lots of girls and boys in mayapur. You can't ban him.

SD: I'm glad you have a friendship with Dalim. No person is all good or all bad, but there is confirmation that he seriously abused children, and as a result, parents should know not to leave their children alone with him. And to protect his past victims, he should not be allowed at temples. Temples should be a safe space for survivors of sexual abuse to go and not have to worry about bumping into their abuser.

DK DASA: This is just sentimentalism. Many criminals are friendly. But it won't change the crime.

RDA: I have personally known him. Me and my sister regularly. Going to his house in Mayapur he was very person. He never talk badly with us and he protect us like our father. You don't say this thing to our jethu Dalim /Damoder das. We aluay fill safe with him when we go to temple or auy other place

SD: I will write what I wrote to the person above you: I'm glad you have a friendship with Dalim. No person is all good or all bad, but there is confirmation that he seriously abused children, and as a result, parents should know not to leave their children alone with him. And to protect his past victims, he should not be allowed at temples. Temples should be a safe space for survivors of sexual abuse to go and not have to worry about bumping into their abuser.

SS DASI: How did you find about his background?

SD: He sexually abused a friend of mine. As well as those mentioned in the report (not named). And now through this post I am finding out he abused others as well.

SS DASI:  Took place in USA or India?

KSA: In which year did he abuse your friend because from 7 years he was in India with his family.

SD: The CPO report on him was written April 14, 1999 based on an investigation done in July 1991 (before the CPO was formed in 1998). That is what I referenced when I wrote this post, along with my friend pressing charges against him. After this post, others commented (see above) that their friends and family were also abused by him.

Yes time should not be a factor. That is why the statute of limitations are opening up all over the country, so victims can come forward whenever they are ready. The average age of a child sexual abuse survivor to come forward is age 52.

Y Devi: Did anybody make a complaint to the Hawaii police ?

VC DASI: As far as we none were abused in Hawaii this is other states and india

Y Devi: If he is a convicted pedophile he should not be around children. Police should be informed.

VC DASI: Like I have said in numerous comments we do not go to the temple anymore due to this problem and issues of child abuse supporters being in leadership at this temple. As far as I was told by one of the abused that they had made a claim with the police and the police are looking for him in those states so I don’t know what all is going on.

SN DASI: Is there any way to read the full CPO report?

SD: I posted it.

A Roy: This is totally rubbish can you show us evidence and proof?

SD: I posted the CPO report below. Also my friend pressed charges against him in the U.S. And after I wrote this post, two people commented above that he abused their friends & family. Also, someone private messaged me that he sexually abused his stepdaughters.

RB: Really if somebody talking bad about your father like person that means it not rubbish. 

SD: It's not personal. It's about keeping our children safe.

A Roy: For you kind information he is not criminal. And yes its personal mataji because you are only showing that dalim is one person who just abuse someone. Did he today on 17 of January 2022?

TDS: Hare krishna mataji sorry but it's not personal. He is my husband and father of 5 kids with black color hair with 2 wife....... sorry for this but he is not child abuser and he take cares of all of us 5 kids and me and his family in india.

A Roy: We need proof.

DD: People here are testifying he is a molester, that is the proof.

VC DASI: FYI most times when one is molested the proof is the person saying and others saying. I was molested -- not raped -- so it won’t show when they medically check me. So screw your proof. You and all supporters are what’s wrong with iskcon today because you don’t want to believe that someone you trust could do something heinous like violate a child. 

I’m just commenting to your asking proof. He did molest or rape me but there’s so many people that came forward and Iskcon child protection has a case and he is not allowed in any temple. I contacted them and was told that.

SD: Here is Dalim / Damodara's report:

Official Decision

Dalim dasa

This judgment, decided on April 14, 1999, was rendered in accordance with the guidelines for adjudicating cases of child abuse established by the ISKCON Child Protection Task Force Report, ratified by the ISKCON Governing Body Commission. This judgment is the official decision of the ISKCON Central Office of Child Protection (ICOCP) on the child abuse case of Dalim dasa.

In July, 1991, an investigative team, consisting of Tosan Krsna dasa, Adikarta dasa, Bhaktarupa dasa, and Dayarama dasa, conducted an investigation into allegations of child abuse in the Bhaktivedanta Gurukula Village school in Mayapur.

Based on that investigation they issued a report, dated July 11, 1991. On the basis of this report it has been determined that Dalim dasa engaged in child sexual abuse. The report states:

"Dalim, aged 14. Repeatedly abused at a young age and was involved with many other boys. Was cooperative with the investigation. Unlikely that he will be able to keep himself aloof from bad association and from controlling his sexual urges. Recommend that he be removed from the community."

The report lists Dalim dasa as a serious perpetrator, meaning that the abuse included penetration. He also goes by the name Damodara.

Based on the July 11, 1991 report, the ICOCP has decided that:

Dalim dasa should have no connection with the functions of any ISKCON organization, nor should he visit ISKCON property, until he is psychologically assessed by a mental health professional approved by ICOCP. This psychological assessment should focus on Dalim’s potential danger to minors.

If the psychological assessment is sufficiently favorable to Dalim, with regards to the risk he poses to children (e.g., no risk or very low risk), then Dalim may visit ISKCON centers and perform service for ISKCON under the following conditions:

1) He should not reside or stay overnight on ISKCON property or the property of an ISKCON affiliate.

2) Dalim dasa must show this document to the temple president or project manager of any temple or project that he visits. That is, the authority of the temple or project must be fully informed of the contents of this decision before Dalim is allowed to visit or perform service at a temple.

3) Dalim must not have contact with minors. His service should have no connection with children (under 18). Additionally, the temple president or project manager must take full responsibility for assuring that when Dalim visits ISKCON property he will have no access to minors.

4) If any of Dalim’s abuse victims attend a function at an ISKCON temple, Dalim must leave the premises, unless he has obtained uncoerced, written permission from the victims. Dalim should not reside in the same community as any of his former abuse victims unless he has obtained written permission from them. He should not pressure or attempt to force them to provide such permission.

5) Dalim should not lead kirtana or give class on Krsna conscious philosophy on ISKCON property or at an ISKCON function.

6) Depending on the results of the psychological evaluation, ICOCP may require Dalim to receive therapy. If so, Dalim must fully cooperate with ICOCP in this regard in order to be able to have any connection with ISKCON.

7) Dalim dasa cannot hold any positions in ISKCON.

8) If Dalim violates the dictates of this Official Decision, then he can have no association with ISKCON temples or projects until his case is reviewed by ICOCP.

The ISKCON Central Office of Child Protection understands that Dalim dasa's acts of child abuse occurred when he was an adolescent, and therefore this case requires special sensitivity. Also, we understand that Dalim may have suffered child abuse when he was a child under the care of ISKCON. Therefore, the ICOCP is prepared to assist Dalim by providing funds for his therapy, or for other purposes, such as his educational or vocational development. Also, the ICOCP will help Dalim in any way it can to fulfill the requirements of this Official Decision.

The restrictions described in this document constitute the minimum restrictions that an ISKCON entity must place on Dalim dasa. If an ISKCON temple or project wishes to place more severe restrictions on Dalim they may do so, although it is expected that the ICOCP will be consulted before this happens.

According to the ISKCON Child Protection Task Force Report, Section 5, in cases where an allegation(s) of child abuse are determined to be valid, the accused may appeal the Official Decision to the GBC Executive Committee and the ISKCON Minister of Justice. The Official Decision described in this document is effective immediately, and the perpetrator must abide by its guidelines during the appeal process, should he choose to appeal this decision.

Judges serving on this case were: Laksmimoni dasi, Kalakantha dasa and Nanda dasi. The Director of ICOCP at the time of this decision was Dhira Govinda dasa.

EW DASI: So Dalim was a victim himself as a child of abuse in ISKCON? If so, this makes the whole thing more sad. The victims become the victimizers. That means the people who set this up are more guilty.

SD: It really does.

RDA: Mataji why are you blaming someone? After 35 years?

AJD: Dalim is a victim too -- of our Gurukula system. Has there been any proof or cases that he has continued this behavior? He was 14 and should have been given help right away. The board of people investigating does not impress me.

I don’t know any details of his life since but if what he did when he was 14 was the last of this then I don’t have a problem with him attending a Rathayatra festival. He can still be a devotee. He isn’t on a Vyasasana or managing big ISKCON projects or giving class like so many other adult abusers in ISKCON.

But I don’t know enough about his life to judge him.

SD: Yes, he is a victim and he is an abuser. However, not all victims went on to be sexual abusers. After Dalim / Damodara abused children in Mayapur and Bhubaneswar, he came to America and sexually abused his stepdaughters as well as others.

AJD: I totally agree. I didn’t know if cases since he was 14. That changes my view absolutely. Perhaps this should be included in your post so that it doesn’t sound like he only did this as a child. 

MP DASI: Sigh ..... smh ...... they needed to prosecute. He needed to be legally baned from all temples....he needed to be arrested, convicted, a restraining order baring him from all temples. So that he can never come back. 

G DASI: Do you have the link of the sexual offenders in ISKCON? As you see many of us that knew Dalim since he was little knew he was abused like many others in the gurukula but didn’t know about him abusing others after the years

SD: I don't have a list. 

RSD: It says Laksmimoni dasi was a judge on the case? Wasn’t she a child abuser also? Is she the same devotee who taught girl gurukulis and beat and humiliated them or do I have her confused with someone else?

SD: Yes, she has restrictions placed on her has a result of an investigation done by the ISKCON Child Protection Office.

RGD: As an ex-kuli, I am so impressed with your work and active diligence. Bravo and thank you.

G Dasi: I tried to look in the CPO site and I didn’t see anything. Frustrating .

SD: Because of the legal issues, the CPO can't publicly share a list of child abusers.

T Dasa: So after all that investigation and decision he came to the US lived in the Brooklyn temple under Romapada Swami's care. ....... seems to me the bigger problem is Iskcon itself.

V Das: I think the legal Issue is that CPO or GBC do not usually press charges against abusers. That’s in order to protect Iskcon. The problem is that there is no official public or police record and that leaves Iskcon open to legal trouble.

M DASI: We encourage and even facilitate reporting to police where ever possible. It is not discouraged at all. 

T Dasa: And the person may be banned from that local temple..... but they are free to go in another temple and congregate without any issues...... Iskcon needs to step up and take some blame for extremely poor and terrible managing

VMG: I had no clue about any of this. I met him about 9 years ago when he was temporarily in new england. he and another friend were here for work and they wanted to cook the sunday feast at the boston temple. 

NNH DASA: What I dont understand is if this initial investigation took place in 1991 why did it take until 1999 for this to be written. I met Damodar and Uttam his brother in New York in 1995, they were serving in the Brooklyn Temple, and would have been on religious VISA.

EC DASI: All these early mayapur boys went thru hell. I was there. They wore rags, ate disgusting scraps of food, were beaten and sexually abused repeatedly. They all looked so lost, broken and sad, I remember Dalim. A little angry boy.

SD: The CPO can only do so much. In theory it's great, but it needs the support of the leadership, which I find is sorely lacking. Not just financial support for practical resources like staffing, etc. but also moral support. 

The ISKCON Child Protection Office was formed in April 1998. When they opened, they announced to ISKCON members worldwide, "We are handling all child abuse cases in ISKCON, past and present" and subsequently were handling somewhat. 

AC DASI: Can you clarify for me? did he abuse children when he was an adult, or only when he was 14?

V DASA: As it happens neither CPO or GBC have functioned well when it comes to protecting children. CPO seem obviously weak as they have no real power. 

AC DASI: No, he kept abusing children past the age of 18.

V DASA: Don’t worry we all continue to support you. In whatever way. You’re right this can only be resolved when GBC realise its importance. 

SD: Thank you Prabhu.

AC DASI: If it had been only when he was a child, i would have viewed it a bit differently. But he went on from there, and many people would have known that.

EC: It’s clearly a rotten society. Does it make you feel special to call them out?

VC DASI: GBC is not discouraging reporting? "Not discouraged at all," that’s a big fat lie. GBC member and guru devamrita swami discouraged my mother in law from going to the police and saying your husband doesn’t want this and will leave you if you do so. Gbc is bogus!!

S DASA: What about his family in India? Why bring this up when it will upset them?

SD: What about the devotee children that Dalim has harmed? What about preventing future harm from devotee children?

PADA: First of all, the leaders of Mayapur should be held accountable and judged for this whole chain of events, because they are the orchestrators of the whole molesting empire, webs, nests, infrastructure, defense system etc. Jayapataka swami personally had me removed from ISKCON, and vilified, demonized etc. when I was bringing this problem to his attention in 1979. JPS is the efficient cause of the subsequent abuse, including Dalim's case. Dalim's family should be aggressively addressing the root cause of the whole process. We should not only address the result, we have to look at the cause. We cannot cure cancer with a band aid, we have to look into the whole process that got the cancer going from square one. Dalim's friends should be addressing how he came into this mess at the start ... ys pd

KED: The fact that he’s yet again married with kids is just more proof that this needs to be talked about and understood more. His wife should have had the opportunity to know his history before marriage. but ultimately his choices are his and so are the consequences. and unfortunately for his new wife and children, they will also have to experience the consequences of his actions. it’s very sad. but it’s not us that is at fault for that, it’s dalim.

SD: Dhira Govinda who was the first Director of the ISKCON Child Protection Office said in an interview in 2020:

"Whatever parents do, let parents be INDEPENDENTLY thoughtful, not just parents but ALL individuals, but parents especially are responsible for care and education of their children.... if there is some sort of depravity or corruption organizationally, parents can collectively say “this isn’t right" and start a reform movement."

AND

"Parents should cultivate a culture where they are not dependent on the local GBC body for their children’s protection, and if the parents DO count on the GBC to protect their children, it is not a good idea."

Sulochana said, this is a

Child raping sampradaya.