Mukunda UK / Hindus / Feet Washing

 

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/06/swarupa-hebel-and-mukunda-dasa-mark.html

PADA: Thanks for your question RM, what is my opinion of Mukunda UK (Mark Whitely) and his Hitler-anuga's program? And why is Mukunda UK placing his own beard on a photo of Tamal? After Srila Prabhupada said anyine who wears a beard is not my follower? 

Folks from all different Mathas have wrote to complain how he is giving Krishna a bad name, i.e. linking Krishna with Hitler, Zionist bankers problems and etc. Mukunda's first problem is that he is really not effective in fighting anything. 

When asked by some "Zionist bankers" expose devotees in 1985, Sulochana said we cannot dive into their Zionist bankers issue because "it will make us look foolish, bodily identified and racist." Of course Mukunda is a prime example of Sulochana's dire prediction. Srila Prabhupada himself says we cannot discuss Hitler, but Mukunda is evidently a higher authority than the acharya. 

Mukunda also does not ever advertise any of the Prabhupadanuga's kirtans, temples, or devotional activities that I know of. Almost no one tells me his writing about Hitler is a good plan, and almost everyone says it is not a good plan. And where are the actual devotional programs? 

Mukunda UK says we have to glorify Saint Sulochana, who was assassinated in 1986 by New Vrndavana goons. At the same time, Mukunda UK says we have to glorify and promote his New Vrndavana leader loving pals like Bhakta das, to help glorify Saint Radhanath. 

And Radhanath is one of the people credited with helping have Sulochana terminated. Mukunda's shiksha guru Bhakta das has reprimanded PADA for "making offenses to Saint Radhanath." So Mukunda is begging the Radhanath cheer leaders program to rubber stamp his program, to give him credibility. It is not working. Why does Mukunda UK need the rubber stamp of approval from the cheer leaders of the homosexual and pedophile messiah's club, at all?

OK Sulochana is a saint, and the people Henry Doktorski and others say -- helped take out Sulochana -- are also saints. The saints are saints, the people who help terminate saints are also saints. Which is why a number of people think he is smoking a lot of pot or taking some other intoxicants. Or else, he is compromised with Saint Beelzebub.  

Basically Mukunda UK thinks Jesus is a saint, Judas is a saint, Pontius Pilate is a saint, the Roman soldiers are saints, just about everyone is a saint in his idea. He has no clear idea who is a saint and who is not. 

Ooops, but PADA is not a saint, because we funded Sulochana's printing of his book, and we gave him money for his canned foods purchases and maintenance. Yeah we are bad because we funded Saint Sulochana, and we had to buy him a pair of jeans, and we are the people who had his writings placed online before anyone else. 

Then Mukunda copies and pastes our process of helping Vaishnava dasa's placing Sulochana's book online -- and takes credit, when we are the people who paid to have it printed and sent a copy to Vaishnava.  

And Mukunda's Saint Radhanath program sent goonda people to take me out. So anyone who helps Sulochana and opposes Saint Radhanath is not a saint. But apparently, the program which took out Sulochana -- are saints. So this is called hypocrisy, at best. 

And that is also why, no one knows what he is exactly in favor of, except he for sure favors Hitler, and the Saint Radhanath cheer leader people. And then again his ex-wife told my friends she had to take shelter of the UK police to save her from Mukunda's constant beating and abusing her. 

And then Mukunda was in Vrndavana -- evidently having loud sex with some woman he met there -- next to a room where children were staying. So it seems like he is also part of the GBC's misogynist club. Sulochana said -- sometimes covert homosexuals will dislike women. They are angry their attraction to women has been failing -- they are actually more attracted to men -- and then they take it out on the women. In other words, they become woman beaters and exploiters. OK like Mukunda.

But the overall problem is, he has no actual idea what is good, what is bad, who is a saint, who is not, and how should we treat women, and etc. If anything, Mukunda's women treatment ideas seem to be what was going on under Kirtanananda's women victim's community. 

And then Mukunda has disciples like Prahlad (Paul Coats) who says glorifying Hitler is a good program because "it gets lots of hits." Of course Prahlad is another person who cries badly when someone exposes his anal reconstructive surgery epidemic messiah's program, and he sent me not so subtle hints that he wanted to have me terminated for exposing his actual agenda. 

And he admits he is working with the GBC's goondas to help them take me out So they all think alike, act alike, and do not like the people who expose the mass child abuse process. And Prahlad also glorifies Bhakta das so he can promote Saint Radhanath and the mass child abuse process. And Bhakta Peter says he sees nothing wrong with promoting this agenda.

And worse, they work with people who say the leaders of the evil child abuse program are saints. But the Berkeley police told me -- all the people who are against you, are aiding, abetting and helping the bogus gurus and their pedophile and child mistreatment program. They are all birds of the same feather, enablers of these problems. The police are correct. 

Mukunda is talking about getting a GBC rubber stamp, but he himself needs the rubber stamp of the GBC's Saint Radhanath program -- that terminated Saint Sulochana -- to gain credibility for himself. Why does he need the GBC's Saint Radhanath program for their stamp of authority for himself, and so do his friends like Mathura Pati, who also cites the cheer leaders of the pedophile guru program as their authority. 

Which means, they have no credibility. 

So yeah, these people are for Prabhupada, and they are also for deviation, and they are for the people who terminate saints. And so are the GBC folks.

As soon as I said Srila Prabhupada was saying he was poisoned, Mukunda wrote "do not listen to that crazy mad man offender PADA," and Tamal's followers began to quote Mukunda UK as their authority. Why is Mukunda always helping Judas?

And then later the GBC folks began to send me Mathura Pati's criticizing us. When are these people going to quit working for the wrong team, or even the Judas team? OK guess what, homosexual and pedophile guru programs are bogus, and we should not be citing the cheer leaders of these programs as our rubber stamp of authority. Never mind -- we suspect the program that they cite as their authority also -- poisoned their guru. 

When we were doing harinam in Germany some old women came up yelling at us and she kept saying "Der Fuhrer." I asked a devotee to translate, "If the fuhrer was here, you would all be arrested and not be doing this." Oh that sounds like a great plan for the samkirtana movement. That woman is right, we would not be doing this harinama chanting -- if people like Mukunda had his way.

ys pd  angel108b@yahoo.com  

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WE ARE NOT HINDUS!

My Dear Mukunda,

Please accept my blessings. I thank you very much for your letter of June 3, 1969, and I have noted the contents carefully. Regarding Mataji Syamadevi's temple in Leicester, your version is all right, and I am not very interested to establish a Hindu temple.

Perhaps you know from the very beginning I never described my movement as Hindu religion. Religion means the bona fide process by which we understand God and the first class religion is that which teaches people to develop love for God. To know or accept the authority of God is one thing, but to love God is another.

Generally, people are interested in material comforts and they make God as the supplying agent. This kind of devotion is not purified. It is contaminated by material desires, but when one is elevated to the position of giving everything to God out of love and affection, that is the first class position. We are teaching this philosophy in the name of Krishna Consciousness, and it is applicable to all sober persons. The Bhagavat principle is that because we can be happy simply by developing our dormant love of God, this is our first business.

PADA: And that is why the GBC leaders are making ISKCON into a Hindu program, even advertising the temples as "Hindu Centers." And they are making Hindu directors on the legal managerial boards, essentially giving control of ISKCON over to the Hindus. The reason for that is clear, the Western people are not interested in worshiping their conditioned souls gurus. But in India there is a conditioned soul guru on every street corner, so they fit in well over there. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com

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WASHING ISKCON GURU'S FEET CEREMONIES

MALATI DEVI DAS: Srila Prabhupada told us what to do if our feet were touched. We should offer the touch back to the previous acharya’s who can actually benefit the poor foot toucher. 

DD: My point is that leadership is an austerity - a service. It certainly means being willing to hear and address grievances. If one only accepts the perks and shuns the less pleasing aspects then it is not really devotional service. It’s self gratification.

CH: Well said

SF: Damodara Dasa And with this photo , especially if we add next step-drinking that water, quite perverse one.

PD: Malati Devi Dasi -- Not what he said, he said we are forbidden to take karma or we will have to suffer. He never said we are authorized to pass the karma on, that is also not happening, as we see for ourselves, they are suffering from getting sick, falling down and -- leaving untimely. We are not qualified to absorb sins, it requires special empowerment, which we do not possess. Meanwhile, they cannot take care of basic needs of children, which is more bad karma. ys pd

CF: This whole idea that the guru takes on karma seems like...bad design by the designer. I've always wondered what / where is the sastric evidence for such a thing? I've heard other devotees say it's complete BS

PD: Well yah, in 1979 I told Jayapatka and Jayatirtha we neophytes cannot absorb sins, or we will have to suffer. They laughed at me. Then, they suffered. And so have -- not only most of the original 11 -- but many others they subsequently appointed later on also suffered. And Srila Prabhupada says a Madhyama cannot be a diksha guru because he might once again become a d*mon. He cannot absorb the sins of others. And furthermore, anyone who is not an uttama does not have the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, Srila Prabhupada is very clear on this. No, a kanistha or madhyama is not like fire, he cannot burn off the sins of -- his own -- never mind burn off the sins of others. That is why Nectar of Instruction says, one must only accept an uttama as his guru. There is no sin burning fire in any other category. Q: Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada says the guru takes the disciple's sins, papa.

Almost all the neophyte GBC people who took sins under Narayan Maharaja's idea and policy suffered by falling down, getting sick, and dying. Never mind their followers are not being liberated.

Srila Prabhupada told us many, many times, if we allow people to touch our feet we will be acting like diksha gurus, taking sins. That will make us get sick, fall down or both. Of course many of them died. He said, only a pure devotee has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, and if you neophytes take sins "you will have to suffer" and they are suffering. So yes, this question was answered many times, none of you neophytes should attempt to take other's sins, but they neglected that instruction.

That is ALSO why Srila Prabhupada told the story of the snake and the ants. The false guru told the disciples he could take their sins, but he could not. So the disciples went to Yamaraja and they were very angry, and they wanted to take revenge. So Yamaraja made them ants, and made their guru a snake, and the snake went over the ant hill, and he was e*ten alive by the ants. In other words, it does not matter if this karma is not resolved now, it will be eventually.

And! When we were in India, Srila Prabhupada stopped the whole kirtan when he saw two of his lady disciples having their feet touched by the old ladies at the pandal program. He told them, "I told you -- do not let people touch your feet, you will be taking their karma and you will have to suffer." None of you neophytes should attempt to take others sins, but they neglected that instruction. No idea why the ladies "gurus" would be able to be diksha gurus and take karma -- when the men who do so are suffering many reactions. Yah it is BS, except when they have to suffer, and they are. ys pd

CH: Most gurus in Iskcon are Unqualified. These Leaders from the GBC class on down to lesser managers and hired help are interested in Money. They thoroughly enjoy their Extravagant Worship, Fancy Facility, Big Bank Balance etc. 

They are not interested in protecting or helping anyone but themselves. Where were they with all the underage children that were abused, violently! Plus Sexually Verbally & Emotionally mistreated, all just dismissed with no real accountability. 

But all ok to Quote Sastra to Support their Buddies that are maybe Horrific Pedophiles. Iskcon Is Corrupt to the core. Srila Prabhupada would be extremely angry and I'd go as far as saying Disowning or rejecting these Rogues that are supposed to be devotees. 

Thanks for sharing. I'm disgusted with our leaders. Except those that will have the Guts to extradite all predators and pedophiles from coming to any Temple, Farm Bhakti Centre's Worldwide.

NH: They are all unqualified, because they are all Iskcon first - the Truth / Krsna second. They represent the institution and its interest, name, fame, and glory. If that aligns with Krsna great, but when it doesn't they will uphold the institution. Therefore they are not embodying purely the Truth.

It’s adjacent, sometimes.

All the best to them and as much respect as is deserved. But Guru they are not.

DD: Surely a Vaisnava would only be interested in “servant leadership”. Status, privilege, adulation….. and not being willing to do the hard work -- of leadership? The movement needs a serious detox of this kind of visayi behaviour from its “leaders”

SK Devi Dasi: indeed.

I Dasi: I just will never get my head around being worshipped by another human being. 

HDA: Mundane man worship…

PD: Prabhupada told us to never allow our feet to be touched -- or we would be taking karma, and that would cause us to get sick, fall down, or both. Of course, a number of them just went total bonkers -- and another group left their bodies early etc. Prabhupada told the story of the guru who could not absorb sins. 

He did not have brahmana tejyas to burn them off. And so his disciples were made into ants, the guru was made into a snake, and the snake went over the anthill -- and was consumed alive by the ants. I don't think these "gurus" understood much of anything, much less that children need to be protected from predators. Yeah, some of these ex-kulis told me they had to drink the foot bath water from their guru, and it made them violently sick. ys pd

NH: What a good point.

S Das: The day they decided to cunningly deceive the devotee community by advertising themselves as pure devotee is the day everything turned to dust!

ZZ: Great intellectual point raised here. Devotees also need to meditate on this, because they also need to contemplate their attachment to the name and fame of their guru.

IMO, real sadhus sit far from maddening crowds. A teacher does not require a fan club. A teacher requires a hardcore internal cleanser. 

SK Devi Dasi: Yes absolutely thank you for saying it!

MK: This post sums it all up. The super obvious elephant in the room within ISKCON is the fact that the gurus live lavish lifestyles and are concerned with nit picky beauracracy, while silencing victims of abuse and protecting the perpetrators. 

Oh yeah, and they get worshiped for it all. If anyone says anything against it, they are accused of being envious of the Lord's representative. I'm honestly borderline atheist now after 10 years with ISKCON. I can't stand the arrogance and grandiose worship of the gurus and the silencing of child victims. It's all so yuk.

HDA: They made each other gurus. Many are now just sticking with Srila Prabhupada. What more do we need?

KD: Traditionally spiritual leadership (eg guru) is top down. It is literally like being a living archetype. It is not a position from which one typically receives dialogue or feedback (hence the ritual of footbathing). Societal leadership is more the position that participates in the grind of give and take. 

If you have personalities who participate in both spheres of leadership, you tend to get the best of both worlds (eg Lord Rama) or the worst of both worlds. Having leadership open to feedback might be more tenable if there was a distinction between spiritual and societal leadership. 

At the moment the pathway to ascend either of those models of leadership is more or less one ... hence the society has expectations of spiritual leaders to be expert managers, and expert managers are extended liberties that should really be exclusive to spiritual leaders. So then we end up with persons wearing both hats that they switch according to convenience .... insisting they have no obligation to receive feedback, but nonetheless bearing the open hand and the stick that more mercurial office bearers live by. 

FA: Wearing both hats, guru and manager. Has anyone not noticed the society is "managing" to go off a cliff? Yes the touchy feely hugger foot bather must stop. No one has the right to touch you unless they are married to you period.

DP: Truly I say unto you "you are having your reward now" punishment and payment due later.... reap and sow. Their day is a comin' as my dad used to say.. karma never forgets. False guru = very bad karma. 

GP: They need to here this sort of talk to wake them up, that's what being kind is about helping people to understand there situation, so many of the gurus have fallen away by taking on to much name fame adoration and wealth, while at the same time cut themselves off from helpful feedback.

SF: I wonder how many people would convert to Vaisnavism at all -- actually who would have even bought any books or been willing to listen to sankirtana (book distributors ) devotee at all, if we all knew about their foot washing. What to speak of drinking caranamrita - foot water. EWW.

SC: Thank you for being so honest and brave DD!! If they care and are worthy of such worship where are they and why don’t they engage in this discourse??????

SY: But ...to be worshipped as God is totally INTOXICATING! Drug addicts dont care about side effects!

DS: "if" I ever become a "guru" in old age, if forced by Prabhupada and Krishna's arrangements, then I will absolutely NOT accept ANY of the ways that we honored Srila Prabhupada -- no garlands, no Vyasa Puja, no kirtan arrivals or departures, no titles, no big seat, etc etc.

DD: “We are called to serve, washing one another's feet, putting ourselves last” perhaps they should start washing the feet of their disciples and students, remembering that they are servants of the servants of the servants ... humble instruments of God's mercy .....inspired by the words of Jesus, but spiritually valid and educating.

SF: When I see this feet washing, and think of regions where custom of not just washing but culminating in oral consumption of caranamrita - as in "upcycled" /"brown " water sourced from feet washing -- where this ritual was not hidden, but flaunted very presently and well known -- there us another elephant on the room. 

As in -do devotees think everyone who joined and stayed after this is normal? Those staying NOT despite customs like these when Gurus are present; but because of these customs, do devotees really think all such people are entirely normal?

JN: Religions will always be like that. Unfortunately. Better not follow organized religion and follow yoga vasistha.

AP: Almost all of iskcon leaders are below even the kanishta level.